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02:10 < kanzure> ISO 15926 equipment inventory management http://sourceforge.net/projects/cat15926/
02:15 < kanzure> metaliving: http://open-rtms.sf.net/ http://transcenmentalism.org/OpenStim/
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02:36  * Utopiah wonders if anybody is using real-time patterns of face recognition to "rate" his browsing session
02:38 < Utopiah> (using a webcam + OpenCV + stats + browsing history)
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04:47 < dbolser> hey codeshepherd, still coding for FB?
04:47 < codeshepherd> yes dbolser 
04:47 < codeshepherd> what do you work on these days dbolser 
05:08 < dbolser> still bioinformatics
05:08 < dbolser> looking to build a game for FB though, just for me and friends
05:08 < dbolser> going to try using FB plugin for Symfony
05:09 < dbolser> can I use fb chat as a kind of game server?
05:09 < dbolser> i.e. challenge an online friend
05:09 < dbolser> (assuming appropriate permission granted by user)
05:10 < Utopiah> (there is #facebook dedicated to dev. AFAIK)
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05:17 < dbolser> yup
05:17 < dbolser> just trying to probe codeshepherd ;-)
05:19 < codeshepherd> dbolser: .. fb chat as a game server?  i guess you are talking about broadcasting message.. may be XMPP is a better solution..  or facebook groups which broadcasts.. or facebook live stream inside your game
05:19 < codeshepherd> chat inside facebook groups broadcasts the message to all members dbolser 
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05:20 < codeshepherd> sorry about the delayed response dbolser 
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05:57 < dbolser> np codeshepherd 
05:57 < dbolser> sounds interesting
05:57 < dbolser> I do want to let players chat in my game
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06:15 < archels> eh who's doing the KurzweilAI newsletter here again
06:15 < archels> I just got it totally blank, save for the unsubscribe information.
06:22 < dbolser> archels: it's the singularity
06:25 < archels> heh
06:30 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:29 < kanzure> yet another NY Times reporter going after diybio
08:29 < kanzure> stalk: Jed Lipinski <jedlipinski@yahoo.com>
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08:38 < kanzure> i'm totally pushing "the armpit of science" on skype with him (her?)
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08:54 < kanzure> metaliving: some of your questions were answered http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-10-10.log http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-10-11.log
08:56 < metaliving> oh
08:57 < metaliving> thanks
08:57 < metaliving> i did visit those sites (open rtms and openstim)
08:57 < metaliving> they seem to be dead?
08:58 < metaliving> have you gotten involved with any of the two?
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09:40 < kanzure> haha i showed jed http://bit.ly/diybionews and he grew sad
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09:40 < kanzure> metaliving: open-rtms isn't entirely dead; check the mailing ilsts.
09:40 < kanzure> *lists.
09:40 < kanzure> hi qDot_ 
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09:43 < qDot_> Hi.
10:00 < metaliving> do they have an irc channel?
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11:59 < archels> tsk, KurzweilAI didn't even apologise for the blank newsletter. "We had a technical issue. Everyone who unsubscribed will be resubscribed."
12:02 < kanzure> hah
12:02 < kanzure> "everyone who unsubscribed" - i.e. everyone who clicked the only link in the email
12:02 < kanzure> i imagine it was a significant portion of their users
12:02 < archels> heh
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12:23 < kanzure> metaliving: no, they don't
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14:17 < kanzure> fenn: http://github.com/jwiegley/git-issues
14:17 < kanzure> fenn: git-issues puts a copy of itself in the repo that you're working on so that your developers are using the same script version
14:18 < kanzure> it doesn't look as well along as bugseverywhere.org
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15:01 < tim> hi
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15:13 < kanzure> on october 20th tom will be interviewed on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio about transhumanism and humanity+
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17:07 < kanzure> M-xDaeken: know anything about PDF-1.6 encryption? :/
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17:59 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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18:06 < augur> anyone know if theres any research into using ambient microwaves as a powersource for small devices?
18:08 < JayDugger> Research, no. I have heard anecdotes of people doing that.
18:09 < JayDugger> For AM radio receivers, in fact.
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19:59 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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21:08 < qDot_> Anyone else around here tried the Emokit emotiv stuff?
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21:22 < kanzure> qDot_: Daeken.
21:22 < qDot_> Well, yes, he wrote it.
21:22 < qDot_> And I just added a new encryption key.
21:23 < qDot_> I'm now wondering if the encryption is per unit type or per unit though.
21:24 < kanzure> unit type, last i heard.
21:24 < qDot_> Yes. And my unit didn't work, which required me extracting a new key, and there's a key generator function somewhere in the program which makes me think this is possibly somehow serial number based, not unit type based.
21:27 < kanzure> i haven't had my headset in a while so i can't test :(
21:27 < qDot_> Ah well.
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21:37 < qDot_> Well, the drivers work on OS X now too.
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22:06 < metaliving> qDot_: when did you buy your Epoc?
22:07 < qDot_> metaliving: I didn't.
22:07 < qDot_> This is a loaner from someone, and I'm guessing it's a preorder.
22:07 < metaliving> oh, okay
22:07 < qDot_> Since's it's all special limited edition and shit.
22:08 < metaliving> i'm just looking for some kind of confirmation that if i buy it now, the encryption method won't be completely changed in response to the release of the emokit
22:08 < qDot_> I'm not sure they /can/ change it that fast.
22:08 < qDot_> Then again, they're the only distributor, so who knows.
22:09  * qDot_ still of the "Buy a neurosky" opinion. :)
22:09 < qDot_> Sure, it's one sensor and flakey as hell, but at least they're not fuckwads.
22:09 < metaliving> one sensor = no sensors
22:09 < metaliving> it's completely useless
22:09 < qDot_> Not completely!
22:09 < qDot_> Just mostly.
22:09 < metaliving> come on
22:09 < metaliving> :P
22:10 < qDot_> They know how to treat developers, at least.
22:10 < metaliving> i'm even afraid that the epoc won't be accurate enough, i don't even want to consider the neurosky
22:11 < qDot_> Well, you get what you pay for, and you're paying for a video game controller. :)
22:11 < metaliving> well, otoh, emotiv has (allegedly) done much more R&D to come up with epoc
22:11 < metaliving> so it makes sense that they would try to protect it
22:11 < qDot_> You have more R&D time when you release 3 years late.
22:12 < qDot_> ... Protect the raw signals, when 99% of their buyers care about the processed signals that are completely done in software?
22:13 < metaliving> well, the raw signals are their excuse to have something to sell more expensively
22:14 < qDot_> Yup.
22:14 < qDot_> 'cause I don't exactly know many gamers all over either product.
22:14 < qDot_> Though Neurosky has made a fucking killing in the toy sector
22:14 < qDot_> Between the mind trainer and the star wars stuff.
22:15 < metaliving> i don't think emotiv has done a good job advertising its product. at all
22:16 < qDot_> They didn't make any friends at GDC.
22:16 < qDot_> While Neurosky commissioned a game from Squenix.
22:16 < metaliving> so they're taking the 'cheap research' route
22:16 < qDot_> Not a very good game, mind you.
22:17 < metaliving> obviously. a game based on such a gimmicky controller cannot be particularly good.
22:18 < metaliving> anyway
22:18 < metaliving> i might end up buying the research edition
22:18 < qDot_> What's the difference in the research and the consumer?
22:18 < metaliving> raw signals?
22:18 < qDot_> Oh, so, nothing.
22:18 < qDot_> That seems a little odd.
22:18 < metaliving> if i was certain that the emokit worked, then i wouldn't bother of course. 
22:19 < qDot_> Well, it works for me.
22:20 < metaliving> if they have changed the encryption though i'm screwed
22:21 < qDot_> I dunno how they would.
22:21 < qDot_> Going with a midstream change like that would be a complete bitch for them.
22:21 < metaliving> i guess
22:21 < qDot_> Especially if it's synchronized on the chip. They obviously have no firmware reload mechanism, a la the novint falcon.
22:22 < metaliving> they might be bluffing on the forums
22:22 < qDot_> Man, I've worked with so many other companies that have been so much nicer about this.
22:23 < qDot_> Neurosky were fucking great, even invited me to their offices. Novint have been pretty cool. The journey to wild divine people were just quiet.
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