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02:37 < metaliving> http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2010/10/turning-nauru-into-transtopia.html
02:38 < Utopiah>  sounds crazy enough to be interesting :-#
02:39 < Utopiah> postmodern colonization
02:40 < uniqanomaly_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
02:42 < uniqanomaly_> 're-utilizing oil sea platforms'
02:42 < uniqanomaly_> $$$, $$$ and more $$$
02:50 < archels> Isn't Nauru due for annihilation because of rising water levels?
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03:40 < Utopiah> (The Emerging World of ECoG Neuroprosthetics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFWnTONOvVo Eric C. Leuthardt)
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05:26 < kanzure>  "VHDL-AMS is a derivative of the hardware description language VHDL (IEEE standard 1076-1993). It includes analog and mixed-signal extensions (AMS) in order to define the behavior of analog and mixed-signal systems (IEEE 1076.1-1999)."
05:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHDL-AMS
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06:43 < JayDugger> Would you really want to move to the South Pacific?
06:43 < JayDugger> And if so, have you ever visited a South Pacific Island at all?
06:44 < JayDugger> (Australia doesn't count. Neither does New Zealand.)
06:44 < JayDugger> (Neither does Hawaii, unless you lived there.)
06:45 < JayDugger> Still, it seems an interesting idea.
06:46 < JayDugger> I suspect the history of similar isolated  ideological communities (Israeli kibbutz; Mormon settlements in New York, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Utah, Idaho, Alberta, etc.; early North American European settlements) would have useful parallels.
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07:57 < Utopiah> first dot of 2010 Emerging Technologies Hype Cycle by Gartner = "Human Augmentation" http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1447613
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08:32 < Utopiah> Publish your computer code: it is good enough http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101013/full/467753a.html
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08:42 < kanzure> i don't get it: http://sadiframework.org/content/about-sadi/
08:42 < kanzure> somthing abuot w3c and bioinformatics
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09:14 < dbolser> provide a high degree of semantic discoverability
09:14 < dbolser> ...
09:14 < dbolser> sounds corperate
09:15 < dbolser> OK, at least they've heard of Taverna
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09:29 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/adaptive-vehicle-make-proposers-day-forum100710
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09:34 < kanzure> that last link is for DARPA/vehicleforge
09:34 < kanzure> fenn: i still need to update you on what i'm thinking re: vehicleforge sometime. so whenever, either by pm or phone
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09:46 < kanzure> "organism: making art with living systems" http://music.columbia.edu/organism/
09:50 < kanzure> "BioKM - Free, lightweight, portable laboratory project management and linked data infrastructure" (something about william gunn and mendeley)
09:50 < kanzure> "DIYBioHeroes:
09:51 < kanzure> Jonathan Eisen, Francis Collins, Ferran Adria, Hervé"
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09:52 < splicer> fuck francis collins
10:01 < kanzure> http://blog.xivo.fr/index.php?post/2010/10/04/Participation-to-the-OpenHardwareSummit-:-report-and-feedbacks
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11:18 < Utopiah> for Ben's proposal http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101013/full/news.2010.537.html
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11:39 < kanzure> hi GarethTheGreat 
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16:09 < kanzure> hi wrldpc2 
16:10 < wrldpc2> heya! 
16:10 < wrldpc2> how goes?
16:11 < kanzure> organizing humanity+ @ caltech. trying to figure out if crashspace or nullspacelabs is close enough to pasadena
16:14 < QuantumG> criticism of OpenCog continues to fall on deaf ears
16:16 < kanzure> heh
16:16 < kanzure> i just forwarded ben's review of life extension conference to wta-talk
16:16 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/two-days-among-immortals
16:17 < kanzure> someone thought i wrote it, so i put goertzel.org and 1-240-505-6518 as my emails ig
16:17 < kanzure> *email sig
16:19 < QuantumG> Ben's a strange critter
16:19 < kanzure> ever since humanity+ has added me to their "board of spam", er i mean, directors, mailing list, i get emails from ben in intervals of 5min
16:19 < QuantumG> he says the problem with OpenCog is a lack of funding.. yes, that's why your open source project has no momentum.
16:20 < kanzure> there's zero communication from humanity+ proper and wta-talk, it's really amazing how separate the worlds are even though they are the same organization
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17:44 < ferrouswheel> QuantumG: as someone who no longer has involvement with the project, please stop making claims about OpenCog having "no momentum".
17:46 < QuantumG> to: Ben Goertzel <bengoertzel@gmail.com>
17:46 < QuantumG> subject: opencog sniping
17:47 < QuantumG> It occurs to me that I'm being an asshole.  Sorry. If you would like to have a more productive conversation about OpenCog, I'm here.
17:47 < QuantumG> about 10 minutes ago
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19:33 < epitron> hahah
19:33 < epitron> if i got that email, i probably wouldn't be very motivated to talk to that person :)
19:34 < epitron> it needs a hook, other than "i'm an asshole and i'm here"
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20:21 < QuantumG> heh
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20:35 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: what's your precise criticism of opencog?
20:36 < GarethTheGreat> i have a few myself, mainly that it's messy - but that applies to a lot of large software projects these days
20:36 < GarethTheGreat> but it definitely has strong momentum
20:36 < QuantumG> umm.. probably my biggest "criticism" is that it doesn't do anything
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20:37 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: i see...... i must have missed that one
20:38 < QuantumG> I'm happy to be shown to be wrong on that one.. I'd love to know what it actually does these days.. 
20:39 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: it makes a mean reasoning engine and natural language toolkit for one
20:39 < kanzure> what about nltk for a natural language toolkit
20:39 < GarethTheGreat> kanzure: easier to get started with, but doesn't work as well as relex with opencog output
20:40 < GarethTheGreat> relex > opencog > PLN > nlgen
20:40 < QuantumG> ok, let me take those two terms you just used.. "engine" and "toolkit" .. with a car engine I can put it in a car and go places.  With a wood working "toolkit" I can make a table.  What's the car and the table analogue  here?
20:40 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: you can feed in a knowledge base and ask it questions
20:41 < QuantumG> great, has anyone done that?  is there a demo?
20:41 < GarethTheGreat> cogita
20:41 < GarethTheGreat> the chatbot demo
20:41 < QuantumG> (remember, I haven't looked at it much in the last 2 years)
20:41 < GarethTheGreat> you haven't looked at it in 2 YEARS?
20:41 < QuantumG> I haven't looked at it *much*
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20:42 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: i'm just going to drop this here: http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Embodiment
20:43 < GarethTheGreat> VERY VERY messy, but it does some cool stuff (such as throwing a ball and asking it "who threw the ball?")
20:44 < QuantumG> cool, thanks
20:44 < GarethTheGreat> http://goertzel.org/navigation.mp4
20:45 < GarethTheGreat> i LOVE that video
20:46 < GarethTheGreat> ben claims not a lot more work is needed to get the nao doing immitating learning on the Nao
20:46 < GarethTheGreat> it's already there in virtual worlds
20:57 < QuantumG> so is the documentation on the chatbot still accurate?  cause it specifically says it is not a test of the reasoning.
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21:00 < GarethTheGreat> QuantumG: last i looked, it does simple pattern matching, it's more a demo of the natural language parsing
21:00 < GarethTheGreat> but there's been work on integrating reasoning
21:01 < GarethTheGreat> and the natural language pipeline within embodiment is much more advanced
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22:18 < kanzure> this is an interesting progress estimation strategy http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1788849
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23:41 < kanzure> PK_BODY_T
23:42 < kanzure> http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/InterOp:Connect/Parasolid
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