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00:02 < JayDugger> Huh? What? 
00:02 < JayDugger> I can't hear you. The voices in my head...
00:02 < JayDugger> ;)
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02:52 < kanzure> patent maps? http://www.platinummetalsreview.com/dynamic/figure/view/52-4-231-240/F5
02:52 < kanzure> "PGM patent map timeslice 2003-2007, showing occurrences of platinum patents (red dots), palladium patents (green dots), and patents covering both platinum and palladium (white dots)"
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06:22 < Jonano> I'm going to install phpbb for the DIYBio community
06:22 < Jonano> on www.diybio.biz
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07:47 < kanzure> Juul: have you met any of the copenhagen suborbitals guys yet?
07:47 < Juul> kanzure,  a few
07:48 < kanzure> tell me tell me
07:49 < Juul> some (most?) are members of Illutron, which is sorta a hackerspace/artist collective. mostly they do burning-man'ish installations. They like fire and lights and industrial machinery
07:49 < Juul> they have an old barge as their space
07:50 < Juul> where at least one of the submarines are parked as well
07:50 < JayDugger> Submarines?
07:50 < kanzure> :(
07:50 < kanzure> woops, i meant :)
07:50 < Juul> the guy who, if i understand correctly, is their main man, built three submarines before starting on the suborbitals project
07:51 < Juul> they first was a one-man job
07:51 < kanzure> right.
07:51 < Juul> the secon I think has room for two
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07:51 < Juul> and the third is much bigger, but still technically in the "midget" class for submarines
07:52 < Juul> I don't know much about the suborbitals project itself
07:52 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3271649
07:52 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3335167
07:52 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3271649&userid=49790
07:53 < JayDugger> All three blocked as "members only."
07:53 < kanzure> well that's stupid.
07:53 < Juul> yeah, and apparently it costs $10 to become a member
07:53 < kanzure> it's worth it :P
07:53 < Juul> :)
07:53 < JayDugger> No worries. I have attention to budget, not just money or time.
07:53  * kanzure hasn't paid (been holding out for 4 years)
07:55 < kanzure> anyway, i didn't know about the barge and illutron
07:55 < kanzure> http://www.illutron.dk/posts/34
07:56 < kanzure> pheumatics?
07:56 < kanzure> hrm.
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08:01 < kanzure> this it? http://goo.gl/jt8t
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08:55 < kanzure> http://colonos.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/seeds-sovereignty-and-the-via-campesina-plants-property-and-the-promise-of-open-source-biology/
08:55 < kanzure> "CC Plant Breeders Right License" buh :/
08:56 < kanzure> neato: http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/2007/06/simple-idea-for-patent-reform.html
08:57 < kanzure> basically the suggestion is to switch patents to be only useful for defensive purposes
08:57 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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09:10 < kanzure> fenn: we should write a whitepaper about skdb or something. i don't think that posting a link to the old dokuwiki page revived will do the trick here.
09:11 < kanzure> my original plan was to demonstrate a reprap functioning with an skdb package but nobody stepped up to the plate / i didn't make one
09:11 < kanzure> presumably this document wouldn't explain the utility of an ecology of packages but rather outline the general strategy
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10:31 < kanzure> mutation of citations http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57689/
10:31 < kanzure> "Just like genetic information, citations can accumulate heritable mutations"
10:33 < kanzure> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/10/flipping-evolution-mitochondria-enabled-complexity-not-the-reverse.ars
10:34 < kanzure> the mutation of citations article was sent to me via Robert Michaelson <rmichael@northwestern.edu>
10:40 < kanzure> win 9
10:49 < archels> mh, N = 1?
10:51 < kanzure> ?
10:57 < archels> I meant, he only tracked a single popular citation
10:57 < archels> kanzure: so anyway, I subscribed to AGI
10:57 < archels> That's quite the list of people you got there.
10:58 < kanzure> archels: have you seen meetlog.txt yet
10:59 < archels> nein
10:59 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt
11:00 < archels> er, interesting, albeit a little confusing without context
11:01 < archels> oh hey, I'm in there
11:01 < kanzure> it's a log of everyone i meet with, each time, and what we talk about
11:01 < archels> Are you going to log this conversation?
11:02 < kanzure> already did :(
11:02 < archels> fascinating
11:02 < archels> To what degree is this automated?
11:02 < kanzure> very little. i used to have a gmail/pidgin/irssi plugin but they are all b0rked (also an android plugin/app would be hawt, to monitor my phone calls, or something that scrapes skype's logs)
11:04 < Utopiah> kanzure: plus it gets frustrating when you have conversations over non electronic supports (like.. real-life) because it leaves less traces (logs), no?
11:04 < kanzure> i have some scripts that generate visualizations and data (like charts/graphs, tag clouds, related tags, suggested/recommended tags, contact frequency, suggestions for who to talk with and what about)
11:05 < kanzure> Utopiah: true, but it turns out that i can't seem to talk to more than 20 people in a day, and most of the time i already know their names
11:05 < kanzure> Utopiah: but yes it especially sucks when i don't know their names
11:07 < Utopiah> I made a little script to have stats on some people I discuss with often, I guess the next step would be to pull out their profile few minutes before the expected interaction
11:08 < kanzure> etacts recently implemented "mutual contacts" in gmail
11:08 < kanzure> tbh "mutual contacts" is maybe the only feature i really like on social networking websites
11:15 < archels> Rather candid to publish the full list online.
11:23 < kanzure> i'm probably a moron
11:26 < archels> well, so long as you are not a camwhore. :)
11:28 < kanzure> ooh i didn't know about http://earth.hackerspaces.org/
11:33 < kanzure> project noah / networkedorganisms in the news: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/10/22/citizen.scientists.app/index.html?hpt=T2 (that wildlife iphone app thingy)
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11:51 < kanzure> "I feel there's a lot of promotional and practical research potential in more pragmatic demonstrations of such housing specifically as mock-ups of space habitats. There used to be a few companies that worked in the field of 'virtual space tourism'."
11:51 < kanzure> "They would basically create these very sophisticated computer-managed interior mock-ups of imaginary spacecraft in large span buildings like aircraft hangars or warehouses and host virtual space cruises complete with role-playing scenarios."
11:51 < kanzure> "Seemed a promising idea but the leading company pursuing this -called Unistellar- suffered too heavy a loss with the theft by corrupt bureaucrats of one of their premier mock-up spacecraft when on a tour in China."
11:51 < kanzure> "They've since retreated to MMO development and other players likewise retreated to museum displays and such as real space tourism became an increasingly near prospect"
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12:12 < kanzure> miriam leis' transhumanism/futurism writing project led to this, methinks: http://www.delicious.com/Innovation2030 (something about a report to the United Nations?)
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13:12 < kanzure> http://www.jimwestergren.com/greatest-nerd-of-all-times-jonathan-vos-post/
13:12 < kanzure> while he sounds like an interesting fellow, all of those stats are a load of shit
13:13 < kanzure> "wrote a 500 page HTML document that lists the names of scifi authors!!!" uh, script plz
13:13 < kanzure> oh well.
13:13 < kanzure> also, isn't PL/1 a little dated?
13:13 < kanzure> (apparently he was writing alex lightman's book)
13:28 < kanzure> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5424/is-there-a-directory-of-open-source-hardware-projects
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13:28 < kanzure> if anyone has a stackexchange.com account, feel free to answer that :/
13:35 < Utopiah> anybody with an efficient and well explained Risk game strategy? (to help a friend who has a game in few minutes
13:36 < kanzure> hmm i was just referred to "italy's most prestigious law firm" and, upon examining the website, they say they practice neurolinguistic programming
13:36 < kanzure> that's quite an obscure reference for a law firm of that magnitude to be making..
13:44 < kanzure> Systemic signals regulate ageing and rejuvenation of blood stem cell niches
13:44 < kanzure> web: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7317/full/nature09474.html
13:44 < kanzure> pdf: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7317/pdf/nature09474.pdf
13:44 < kanzure> woops, it's a retraction
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14:02 < kanzure> ayah bdeir has sent out an open hardware definition with some comments from the community aggregated into it.. here's an interesting excerpt:
14:02 < kanzure> "In promoting Open Hardware, it is important not to unintentionally deceive designers regarding the extent to which their licenses actually can control their designs.
14:02 < kanzure> Under U.S. law, and law in many other places, copyright does not apply to electronic designs. Patents do. The result is that an Open Hardware license can in general be used to restrict the plans but probably not the manufactured devices or even restatements of the same design that are not textual copies of the original.
14:02 < kanzure> The applicable section of copyright law is 17.102(b), which says:
14:02 < kanzure> In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.
14:02 < kanzure> ^attributable to bruce perens
14:16 < kanzure> the rhetoric about being handed a few trillion dollars seems slightly over the top here http://www.globalinnovationcommons.org/ (while the trillion dollar representation might be reasonable itself, the rhetoric is what i take issue with)
14:16 < kanzure> http://www.globalinnovationcommons.org/discover/patent-repositories
14:16 < kanzure> "Click here to view a list of all public domain patents for sickle cell anemia in Russia" http://content.globalinnovationcommons.org/technology/sickle_cell_anemia/RU
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14:39 < kanzure> fenn: is this close enough for your tagfs? it uses fuse http://www.tagsistant.net/index.php/documents-about-tagsistant/internals/1-how-works-tagsistant
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21:19 < kanzure> 21:17:40 omg/user: now you have to accidentally corrupt skdb with fakemon so that everything it manufactures is actually a weirdly rounded curve-edged pokemon-like device whose moveset is the list of functions the device is to perform 
21:19 < kanzure> 21:18:48 omg/user: BANDSAUVIA! I CHOOSE YOU!
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