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01:29 < Utopiah> for people interested in the perception of time, space and numbers http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/newarticles 
01:35 < kanzure> perception is for chumps
01:36 < Utopiah> I did not perceive that last sentence.
01:38 < kanzure> perfect :)
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01:54 < Utopiah> o_0 http://people.umass.edu/phil511/monads/
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02:29 < fenn> kanzure: re makerbot music, watch ~ 1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZvQhAvwHr8
02:33 < archels> "Tonight I wanna get conceptual"
02:33 < archels> I love it when a girl talks dirty.
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05:05 < kanzure> RUSAPR?
05:13 < kanzure> http://www.sapr.ru/rusapr.aspx
05:13 < kanzure> hmm there's an ad for nanocad.ru on the left-hand side
05:14 < kanzure> http://nanocad.ru/
05:14 < kanzure> http://www.nanocad.ru/products/detail.php?ID=371
05:15 < kanzure> http://www.nanocad.ru/upload/product/nanocad/new/img001.png
05:15 < kanzure> "nanoCAD 2 ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ????????????? ???? ??????????? ????????? (API) ??? ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? C++, ??????????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????????."
05:16 < kanzure> "? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????????? .NET ? ???????? (???????) ?? ???? ActiveX Automation (Java-script, VB-script ? ??.)."
05:16 < kanzure> well that's good.
05:16 < kanzure> but i'm not sure if this is danila medvedev's nanocad or not
05:17 < kanzure> CFP The 4th International Seville Conference on Future-Oriented Technology Analysis (FTA)
05:17 < kanzure> 12 & 13 May 2011 http://foresight.jrc.ec.europa.eu/fta_2011/intro.html
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05:59 < joshcryer> 0 for 2 on those podcasts.
06:00 < joshcryer> If you want real outreach for H+ actually be substantitive. Otherwise people think you're pie in the sky.
06:00 < joshcryer> The LFTR talks are pretty good, for instance, unless you already know the history.
06:06 < archels> LFTR...?
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06:07 < joshcryer> http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html
06:08 < joshcryer> Liquid Floride Throrium Reactor
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06:08 < joshcryer> It's has a following similar to Polywell.
06:08 < joshcryer> Except it's effectively proven technology.
06:08 < joshcryer> (Polywell won't work, etc)
06:08 < joshcryer> Any of the LFTR talks are very in depth.
06:09 < joshcryer> (the Google tech talks for it)
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07:07 < fenn> "it has a following ..." is a poor way to describe the importance of a particular technology
07:10 < fenn> translation of above "NanoCAD 2 is familiar to many developers, CAD programming interface (API) for creating applications written in C + +, providing full access to all platforms. And for quick writing tools and small applications available to use. NET and scripts (scripts) based on ActiveX Automation (Java-script, VB-script, etc.). "
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08:14 < hundred-ideas> howdy
08:16  * fenn hovers for a second and runs away
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08:28 < Utopiah> http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/10/china_will_claim_supercomputin.html
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08:48 < kanzure> hello hundred-ideas 
08:49 < hundred-ideas> hello kanzure 
08:50 < kanzure> looks like the vehicleforge project description site just went up
08:50 < kanzure> http://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/avm/index.html
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08:51 < kanzure> hm they link directly to .wmv
08:52 < JayDugger> Weak, but unsurprising.
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09:03 < kanzure> http://www.gilesbathgate.com/2010/06/extracting-2d-mendel-outlines-using-openscad/
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09:05 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: http://thecitizensciencequarterly.com/
09:05 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: or this http://opensciencefund.com/diybio/
09:06 < hundred-ideas> .com or .org?
09:06 < kanzure> those two links work for me
09:06 < kanzure> opensciencefund.org/diybio redirects to http://opensciencefund.org/2010/05/19/diybio-shirt-design-contest/
09:07 < hundred-ideas> http://opensciencefund.com/diybio/ doesn't work for me
09:08 < kanzure> for me it shows a draft "the citizen science quarterly" website
09:08 < hundred-ideas> oh
09:08 < hundred-ideas> I'll try again
09:08 < kanzure> it's not super important :P
09:08 < hundred-ideas> it's blocking me
09:08 < hundred-ideas> well
09:08 < hundred-ideas> I'm getting a 503
09:09 < hundred-ideas> I would support a kickstarter project for http://www.scq.ubc.ca/
09:09 < hundred-ideas> Now there is a great science quarterly
09:10 < hundred-ideas> hehe.  "What's <insert cryptic gene name here>"?
09:10 < kanzure> so has anyone offered to write/post anything on the diybio.org blog?
09:10 < kanzure> ever since this magazine-craze started?
09:11 < hundred-ideas> yeah
09:11 < hundred-ideas> I have 3 articles on deck
09:12 < hundred-ideas> I was just formatting them as we speak
09:12 < hundred-ideas> one from Jeswin John, one from Cathal, one from myself
09:12 < hundred-ideas> and a couple of others are on the way
09:12 < hundred-ideas> want to write something?
09:12 < kanzure> nope
09:12 < kanzure> but i'm glad something came of that
09:15 < hundred-ideas> what if I paid you...... $30!
09:15 < hundred-ideas> haha
09:16 < kanzure> how about $15
09:17 < hundred-ideas> got any ideas where I could find a stick-figure diagram of Citric Acid coordinating a metal ion?
09:18 < kanzure> no, i'd try google images for a while, and then pop into ##bioinformatics and complain a bit
09:18 < kanzure> oops, just #bioinformatics
09:19 < kanzure> 09:18 -!- Topic for #bioinformatics: #bioinformatics: where ponies and probabilistic models are awesome
09:20 < hundred-ideas> hah
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09:45 < kanzure> anyone have a link to "The Singularity Hypothesis: A Scientific And Philosophical Assessment"
09:50 < kanzure> supermarket for synthetic biology products http://super-cell.org/
09:54 < hundred-ideas> it's not loading for me
09:54 < hundred-ideas> but the whois suggests the registrant is a berliner
09:54 < hundred-ideas> that's interesting
09:58 < hundred-ideas> aha
09:58 < hundred-ideas> http://2010.igem.org/Team:Weimar-Heidelberg_Arts/Collaboration
09:59 < kanzure> i've been having trouble keeping proper track of all of the names from each of the igem teams
09:59 < hundred-ideas> so has everyone in the world
09:59 < kanzure> well, i started to import the data into meetlog.txt
09:59 < kanzure> so now it's at least partially searchable
10:00 < kanzure> it's really interesting to see where people pop up again
10:00 < kanzure> for instance, peculiar igem people donating to biocurious or whatever
10:00 < kanzure> (i imported the biocurious list)
10:00 < kanzure> or showing up at one of the singularity summits
10:00 < kanzure> stuff like that.
10:01 < hundred-ideas> maybe you should try https://code.google.com/p/google-refine/
10:03 < kanzure> maybe i can convince igem to just force all registrants to use vcards :P
10:03 < kanzure> what's the name of that microformat anyway
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11:25 < kanzure> danila says nanocad.ru is not him
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11:53 < archels>   
11:53 < archels> er, ignore
11:55 < archels> kanzure: nanoCAD's interface looks like srsbiz.
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12:49 < Jon_D> hello crazy people
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12:51 < kanzure> that troll was no fun
13:01 < uniqanomaly> I bet he was just shy
13:02 < archels> I like your optimism, speaking in the past tense.
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13:43 < kanzure> "toward an open source robotic platform" http://rampagerobotics.com/node/22
13:43 < kanzure> local motors doing a 5 car fleet http://hi-tech-5.blogspot.com/2010/10/local-motors-ups-rally-fighter-fleet-to.html
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14:26 < hundred-ideas> opendns or google public dns?
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14:29 < QuantumG> I use opendns
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15:17 < kanzure> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hometissueculture
15:17 < kanzure> )http://photomacrography.net/amateurmicroscopy/
15:17 < kanzure> grr
15:17 < kanzure> http://photomacrography.net/amateurmicroscopy/
15:18 < kanzure> http://amateurmicroscopy.blogspot.com/
15:19 < kanzure> http://www.postnatural.org/pno_of_the_month.html
15:19 < kanzure> "During the late 1950's a large-scale public works program was initiated to eradicate the live-flesh-eating screwworm plaguing cattle ranches across the American south. The screwworm is the larval stage of the fly, Cochliomyia hominivorax. Full-scale fly factories were produced in Florida and Texas capable of producing 500 billion sterile male flies per week."
15:20 < kanzure> "The factories were optimized to expedite each stage of the fly's life and to sort them by gender prior to their emergence from the pupae. Male screwworms, at the age of 5 ½ days, were loaded into metal tubes and carried by a lone worker to the irradiation facility
15:20 < kanzure> where they were exposed to a radioactive sample of Cobalt 60, permanently ending their reproductive capacity. Following maturation into adult flies, they were released from airplanes 1,000 ft above America's cattle growing regions
15:20 < kanzure> where the now impotent males would attempt unsuccessfully to mate with the typically monogamous females."
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15:38 < Jonano> anyone is crazy here ?
15:39 < QuantumG> that's accurate
15:40 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/86514518/diy-arduino-eeg
15:41 < kanzure> Daeken: click?
15:41 < kanzure> that's probably jacob shiach though, so meh
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16:14 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/10/home_science_lab_from_recycled_mate.html
16:14 < kanzure> "Father building a home science laboratory for the kids out of junk, ebay, and garage sale scores"
16:17 < kanzure> wut? "open source manufacturing execution system" http://leanmes.com/home.html
16:26 < kanzure> http://www.globalspec.com/events/
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17:59 < fenn> sweet we can combine the open source execution system with the serial killer database
18:01 < Jonano> great !
18:01 < QuantumG> hehe
18:01 < Jonano> it's as crazy as me
18:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: is bigelow still doing inflatables?
18:03 < QuantumG> they prefer to call them "expandables" but yes
18:04 < Jonano> QuantumG you work for bigelow aeorospace ?
18:04 < QuantumG> no
18:06 < kanzure> "Aspart of The Economist and InnoCentive's Challenge Program for the upcoming Ideas Economy Conference on Innovation, The Economist is seeking disruptively innovative and exciting business models that embody the conference's main theme - innovation. Award: $10,000". Hmm.
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18:14 < fenn> kanzure: dunno if you're still into startup stuff or not http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2010/10/28/the-co-founders-meetup-is-coming-to-austin-texas-on-dec-6th/
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18:15 < fenn> i just got this email "Looking for a C++ Engineer w/threading expertise"
18:15 < fenn> hahahahahahahaaaa
18:15 < fenn> anyway, time for bed
18:18 < jrayhawk> ls
18:18 < jrayhawk> oops
18:25 < Jonano> do you know that I am the owner of this universe ?
18:25 < Jonano> I created this simulation
18:26 < Jonano> there is a universal and physical language, it's called money
18:26 < Jonano> I am in your head
18:32 < kanzure> readin ur mindz
18:34 < Jonano> :>
18:34 < Jonano> lol
19:08 < Jonano> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty
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20:01 < kanzure> wut? http://www.singularitysummit.it/
20:01 < kanzure> wb hundred-ideas 
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20:06 < kanzure> hi kizzo 
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20:30 < kizzo> Hello.
20:31 < kizzo> Any suggestions for a PhD thesis that I can undertake in about a year? : )
20:32 < kizzo> I've lately been most interested in neural nets and cybornetics/cyborgs.
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20:38 < kizzo> That designfiles link doesn't work.
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20:40 < kanzure> kizzo: yeah, the servers are dead mostly
20:41 < kanzure> brain-computer interfaces are always a hot topic for PhD theses, but they usually involve animal research
20:41 < kanzure> a review article won't qualify as a phd thesis :P
20:41 < kizzo> True.
20:42 < kanzure> you want the phd thesis to be done in a year?
20:43 < kizzo> I've been noticing lately that there's too many routes towards what I want - so many, it's hard to pinpoint a thesis to work on and know will be useful later (but still trying).
20:43 < kanzure> why the year timeline
20:43 < kizzo> Oh no - I'm doing undergrad right now, prepping for grad school.
20:43 < kizzo> I have a year left of undergrad.
20:43 < kanzure> ah you mean you'd start it in a year
20:43 < kanzure> ok
20:43 < kanzure> much different :)
20:44 < kanzure> what have you been studying for undergrad and where?
20:44 < kizzo> Computer Science at San Jose State, CA.
20:45 < kanzure> kind of bland.
20:45 < kanzure> hmm
20:45 < kizzo> I hate undergrad work - waste of (my) time.  I can't wait for grad school (it might still be a waste, but less so).
20:45 < kizzo> [ but that's just me complaining about how things arn't perfect ha ]
20:45 < kanzure> when i was in undergrad i spent most of my time like a grad student
20:47 < kanzure> anyway, how'd you end up in here? i remember you from earlier this month
20:47 < kanzure> but that's about it
20:47 < kizzo> You mentioned something about this channel in #opencog.
20:47 < kanzure> ah cool, okay
20:48 < kanzure> so, why cybernetics?
20:48 < kanzure> do you want to be in neuroscience/neurophysiology, physics, some other hard science? or sociology of cyborgs or something?
20:49 < kizzo> I'm only interested in cyborgs because it looks like a fast way to not die (replacing parts of yourself with better parts).
20:50 < kizzo> I'm interested in neural nets because.. well.. that one is hard to describe (why I'm interested).  They just look important to me, somehow.
20:50 < kanzure> one of the regulars in here was doing reprap research for tissue engineering
20:50 < kanzure> neural nets are just one particular way of solving problems, there's lots of other types of networks (like bayesian networks or markov chains)
20:51 < kizzo> Yeah, they're different from sequencial things.  It's a really different way of solving problems.  In other words, how do you describe how a cat dodges a ball?
20:52 < kizzo> Or, formalizing the process of dodging a ball.  that's hard, sequentially.  But not hard with neural nets.
20:52 < kanzure> so you know neuroanatomy?
20:53 < kizzo> Bio? Artificial?  I don't know a lot about biology currently, so I only know a lot about artificial neural nets.
20:53 < kizzo> [ not a LOT, but that's what I'm looking at ]
20:53 < kanzure> well that's worrisome :P
20:53 < kizzo> If by neuroanatomy, you mean a general understanding of ANN architectures, then yes.
20:54 < kanzure> no
20:54 < kizzo> Oh ok.
20:56 < kanzure> i mean stuff like "glutamate has an inhibitory effect in the basal ganglia" or "the striatum sends signals down to the internal segment of the globus pallidius"
20:57 < kizzo> If that's biological neural nets (it sounds like) then no I don't know.
20:57 < kizzo> No I don't know any of that.
20:57 < kanzure> the first is about neurophysiology in a region of the brain
20:57 < kanzure> the second is about the flow of action in the brain i guess
21:00 < kanzure> kizzo: i have some cyborg/neuro-related papers here: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/
21:11 < kizzo> Cool beans.
21:16 < kizzo> I fortunately still have the time to think about things and narrow what I want to do.
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