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02:18 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw
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03:04 < t_siamendes> all in the tactics
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05:51 < mheld> hey, anybody here from stanford?
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06:32 < kanzure> DRIE etchant simulator.. thing? http://tfy.tkk.fi/~mag/VisualTAPAS/Home.html
06:32 < kanzure> that was via Andrea Mazzolari <mazzolari@fe.infn.it>
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07:23 < kanzure> fenn: http://pandaboard.org/
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08:01 < kanzure> dbolser: have you kept up with cfp-wiki? or whatever that call-for-papers wiki was.
08:09 < kanzure> hm i realized i didn't know the names off the top of my head of who runs SENS
08:09 < kanzure> http://sens.org/sens-foundation/board
08:09 < kanzure> http://sens.org/sens-foundation/founders
08:09 < kanzure> http://sens.org/sens-foundation/people-search?page=1
08:13 < t_siamendes> i thought it was aubrey, seems i was wrong
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08:38 < dbolser> kanzure: no
08:38 < dbolser> I'm still thinking to create a 'journal club' wiki with proper citation / annotation functionality at some point
08:39 < dbolser> every journal has crappy ad-hock 'comments' section, such a wiki would aim to standardize such functionality
08:42 < Utopiah> PLoS has such ideas and Zotera has a community over several journals, could be helpful
08:42 < Utopiah> s/Zotera/Zotero/
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10:10 < Utopiah> Sphere Fluidics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AajNacI_HEo
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11:01 < industromatic> Hey Bryan...
11:03 < kanzure> hi industromatic 
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11:17 < kanzure> openscad mechanical cad library https://github.com/D1plo1d/MCAD
11:18 < kanzure> elmom: did you write that?
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11:31 < kanzure> http://genomikon.ca/
11:31 < kanzure> http://2010.igem.org/Team:Alberta/human_practices/distribution_analysis
11:32 < kanzure> looks like a biobricks kit
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13:22 < kanzure> from om today: 
13:22 < kanzure> http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/do-patents-encourage-or-hinder-innovation-the-case-of-the-steam-engine/
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13:36 < industromatic> kanzure, Is anyone in town doing any reprap upgrading, or just using makerbots?
13:39 < kanzure> martin might be doing something.. but i could never quite tell
13:46 < industromatic> Martin B?  He's always leaving out the important parts of what he's talking about.
13:47 < industromatic> I doubt he's doing anything OHL at all.
13:48 < industromatic> The obvious forum posts I made after your announcement have no results.
13:49 < industromatic> Where else do you find the people that made those posts on reprap forums?
13:49 < kanzure> there's really no centralized communication for gada prize stuff
13:50 < kanzure> i might be fixing this soon (but i hate to deprecate reprap.org's forums from them...)
13:51 < industromatic> I'm interested in this --   http://reprap.org/wiki/GranuleExtruder
13:51 < industromatic> and this --  http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Granule_Extruder_Team
13:52 < industromatic> But they are dead as door nails.  First was A Boyer the reprap originator.
13:53 < industromatic> second was linked from   http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?171,40341  by    Pablo2m 
13:53 < industromatic> Do you know  Pablo2m ?
13:53 < kanzure> no i don't know that person
13:55 < industromatic> Hmmhh..   practical low cost extruding  is the area that interests me most  -- what I was researching when I first ran into you.
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13:57 < industromatic>  Pablo2m  seems to have not attracted any others with his Granule Extruder wiki group as of  May 15, 2010   and then no more posts from him.
14:00 < kanzure> industromatic: his email address is pablo.m.mana@gmail.com
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14:04 < kanzure> industromatic: you should try asking for pablo2m by emailing Sebastien <sebastian.rodriguez@ubuntu-co.com>, Alex <alpiero2502@hotmail.com>, kristianpaul (who sometimes comes in here), or José Joaquín Prieto Cruz <josejaoquinprieto@hotmail.com>
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14:14 < industromatic> Thanks Bryan.  I'll try those leads.
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15:46 < kanzure> i just saw the latest ponoko newsletter. "Learn how two Makers made 202% of their funding goal and how you can too!" (referring to openpcr)
15:46 < kanzure> *sigh*
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16:32 < ybit2> Last night, I realized, $20,000/yr doesn't cut it.
16:33 < ybit2> Also, you have to take a different approach to the photoshop phrase if you are to use Gimp. "Man, gimp that mess", e.g.
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16:33 < ybit2> And for Blender, you don't say "blender it", you say "toss it in Blender"
16:34 < ybit2> gimpify the photo could work as well :)
16:36 < ybit2> nonameconf.in
16:37 < ybit2> this december, topic: anything 
16:37 < ybit2> someone want to do a remote talk on open science and open hardware?
16:37 < ybit2> seed the fire for when i go next year? :)
16:39 < kanzure> why doesn't $20k/year work?
16:39 < kanzure> jacob posted a video :/ http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/citizenscience/the-citizen-science-quarterly
16:39 < kanzure> i don't think he understands blogging
16:42 < ybit2> because, $100/wk = food, $15/wk = spanish lessons, $120/mo = health insurance, $30/wk = gasoline, $120/mo = car insurance, $20/mo = haircut, $2000/yr = taxes, $2000 = debt that needs to be paid off, $50/wk = vacation, $25/wk = sub-vacation, $350 = another debt to pay, $10/wk = misc spending that I'm not able to forecast, and because my boss insist on me looking sharp $125/mo on clothes
16:42 < ybit2> coming out to $20,410
16:43 < ybit2> er wait, that figure is with gas being $35/wk
16:43 < ybit2> i don't have rent to pay, thankfully
16:43 < ybit2> or utilities or cable, or cellphone
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16:47 < ybit2> which doesn't leave money for diy projects, deoderant, toothpaste, sunscren, shampoo, conditioner, hairspray, soap, toothbrush, blowdryer, stm, afm, wire-edm, eeg, rtms, flurometer, spectrophotometer, eyetoy touchscreen, 3d led cube, gardenbot, reprap, my own PCBs, hdd recovery, diy processor thingy, robotic arms, my garden needs to expand, ceb press, daiwoo lanos conversion, multimachine, open source hydrogen car, and materials needed to construct a h
16:48 < ybit2> fluorometer*
16:48 < ybit2> a few of those i'm going to be able to complete because they are so cheap, but $20k doesn't give me enough to complete them all in a year unfortunately
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16:49 < ybit2> feel free to correct me if i'm off somewhere :)
16:50 < t_siamendes> lol
16:51 < t_siamendes> you should try living in the UK, we literally get raped by tax even on low incomes
16:51 < ybit2> http://www.dlink.com/products/?tab=3&pid=DCS-5300G&rev=DCS-5300G_revB :: the wireless cameras i was talking about yesterday
16:51 < ybit2> yeah, i'm seeing 23% of my paycheck being unaccounted for
16:51 < ybit2> having a talk with that department tomorrow
16:53 < t_siamendes> i think i pay around 34% tax + they charge vat on everything you buy at 20%, 80% of the cost of fuel is tax as well which is obscene
16:54 < t_siamendes> it cuts into money I could use for buying resources
16:59 < t_siamendes> http://foresight.breakthroughstocures.org/
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17:14 < t_siamendes> http://info.breakthroughstocures.org/
17:23 < jrayhawk> how would tax literally rape
17:23 < kanzure> t_siamendes: looks like that's the institute for the future guys.
17:24 < ybit2> a very old guy wearing a red, white, and blue suit, sporting a white beard longer than Bryan's comes to your house and bends you over at night when you aren't expecting it
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17:37 < industromatic> "how two Makers made 202% of their funding goal and how you can too!"  Tito J is a marketing guy he says.
17:38 < industromatic> That's why they used ponoko and not a machine nearby at a hackerspace.  They wanted to burn up the funding fast to keep up with silicon valley rent.
17:39 < industromatic> He was asking me to make designs for nearly free, and I told him to use kickstarter and ask for 5 X $2K.  Worked fine obviouisly.
17:41 < ybit2> i often doubt my ability to save the human race
17:41 < ybit2> because of time constraints
17:43 < kanzure> industromatic: tito is a moron and i hate him
17:43 < kanzure> just wanted to clear that up
17:44 < ybit2> i'm a moron too
17:44 < kanzure> yes but you're our moron
17:44 < ybit2> aww
17:45  * ybit2 hands over leather-clad pants
17:46 < ybit2> off-topic
17:46 < ybit2> http://flavorwire.com/128636/meet-the-mad-scientist-of-musical-instruments
17:46 < ybit2> that is not music
17:47 < ybit2> it's only neat because it might attract others to electronics 
18:02 < t_siamendes> the key word I missed from that mild rant about tax was 'financially'
18:05 < kanzure> "You can probably just ask for $2 bills at a bank. Last I checked, they still mint brand new ones to replace damaged ones removed from circulation."
18:05 < kanzure> "A bunch of engineers at idealab did this back during the bubble. The idea was the saturate Pasadena, CA with $2 bills, particularly as retailers, lacking anywhere to put $2 bills in registers, tended to quickly re-release them."
18:05 < kanzure> "We tried buying them a thousand at a time from banks. One time a manager came out to talk to us about it and asked what we wanted them for. We explained and his response was, "So we're going to get them all back.""
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18:09 < QuantumG> sorry, what?
18:12 < kanzure> in the US, $2 bills are sorta rare
18:13 < kanzure> the saturation idea was to get the local economy flowing
18:14 < t_siamendes> with a 'paper' based currency, there seems little point to a $2
18:14 < t_siamendes> in terms of ease of use 
18:15 < QuantumG> .. we have $1 and $2 coins.. and for some reason the $2 is the smallest
18:15 < QuantumG> btw, apparently the US also has $1 coins.
18:15 < kanzure> yep
18:15 < QuantumG> you often get them as change at amtrak stations
18:15 < QuantumG> passing those is a bitch
18:16 < t_siamendes> do vendors take them?
18:16 < t_siamendes> vending machines
18:16 < kanzure> passing those.. like through your butt?
18:16 < QuantumG> most don't
18:16 < QuantumG> dealing with store clerks in the US is a bit like being constipated yes
18:16 < kanzure> if you have trouble passing them you should stop eating them
18:17 < kanzure> bah
18:17 < kanzure> i thought you were in australia
18:17 < QuantumG> I lived in the US once upon a time
18:17 < kanzure> i'm so sorry
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18:23 < t_siamendes> possibly the most ridiculous currency denomination in the UK, 3pence piece
18:23 < t_siamendes> lol
18:24 < t_siamendes> phased out in the 1970's
18:24 < t_siamendes> thats a nonsense coin
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18:38 < Redeemer> Question for those here, does anyone intend on going to the H+ event at caltech?
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18:44 < ybit2> Redeemer!
18:45 < ybit2> in nomvember.., probably not
18:45 < ybit2> too short notice
18:45 < ybit2> 3 events in one year, wow
18:47 < t_siamendes> Not within my budget to get to US for this, thou would love to watch the lectures if they broadcast
18:47 < t_siamendes> even if they are videod and streamed afterwards
18:48 < Redeemer> Its actually for this December.
18:48 < Redeemer> I think, it might be feasible for me to do this.
18:49 < kanzure> Redeemer: i'll be going (i have a talk)
18:49 < kanzure> http://humanityplus.org/conferences/
18:49 < kanzure> t_siamendes: they will be streaming
18:49 < kanzure> i might also be organizing some 3d printer gangbanging action during the morning/lunch breaks
18:50 < Redeemer> Cool.  Right now I am trying to look into sharing a room again to help lower costs.
18:50 < kanzure> oh hmm i guess i need to arrange transportation/living
18:51 < Redeemer> I'd have started planning this sooner, stuff has come up quite a bit to hamper this effort x.x
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18:56 < Redeemer> Looks like there is a handy light rail line from downtown LA to Pasadena, so that might also reduce transit costs.  Depending how close it is to caltech or designated hotel.
18:59 < Redeemer> It also reaches into LAX itself, thus reducing time even further.
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19:19 < Redeemer> Any thoughts?
19:19 < kanzure> i haven't looked into it yet
19:20 < Redeemer> Looks like a plausible way without having to take a shuttle, and right now sun country airlines is offering a seat from my location to lax for 250 round trip.  good stuff.
19:21 < kanzure> :)
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19:21 < Redeemer> Last time I thought $450 was good.
19:22 < kanzure> yeah they have $120 one-wayers from time to time. i got one to sf a few years back at that price.
19:23 < Redeemer> I gotta take off for work here, but when ya get the chance, let me know what you find out regarding hotel stuff.  I bought my H+ ticket just now, so I am locking myself into the deal.
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20:03 < kanzure> hi Noahj 
20:04 < Noahj> Hey kanzure
20:04 < Noahj> Just got back from the AS220 fablab 
20:04 < kanzure> what's there?
20:04 < Noahj> I helped a RISD architecture student make a topographic cardboard model thingy they're going to build their designs on 
20:04 < Noahj> on the laser cutter 
20:04 < Noahj> Other students working on this assignment are cutting everything out by hand 
20:05 < kanzure> rhode island school district?
20:05 < Noahj> School of design 
20:05 < kanzure> hrm.
20:05 < Noahj> It's a pretty popular art college 
20:14 < industromatic> I know one of their old perfessers -- lives in Woodstock CT
20:15 < kanzure> BIZZARO LAND JUST ENTERED
20:15 < kanzure> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1859462&cid=34169404
20:15 < kanzure> bruce sez: "Actually, Christine Petersen coined the term "Open Source" at the meeting where the formation of a separate Open Source campaign was first discussed. She was at the time married to the nanotechnology guru Eric Drexler. I created the Open Source Definition 9 months before ESR got involved, as the Debian Free Software Guidelines. And I'm pretty clear that RMS writings came long before CaTB."
20:15 < kanzure> i didn't know bruce/christine knew each other
20:16 < kanzure> what the fuck.
20:16 < QuantumG> heh, guess you better update your stalk-chart
20:16 < QuantumG> Bruce also is involved in AMSAT
20:16 < kanzure> christine was the one who handed me the gada prize
20:17 < industromatic> kanzure:  "just wanted to clear that up"  Funny!
20:18 < industromatic> stalk-chart?
20:19 < QuantumG> kanzure likes to chart who knows who (and him)
20:19 < kanzure> industromatic: stalk-chart: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog.txt
20:19 < industromatic> So Bryan's the stalker, eh?
20:19 < kanzure> i'd say that's safe to say
20:19 < QuantumG> it's the national hobby
20:20 < industromatic> So, I'm on there at  2009-12-07
20:21 < kanzure> we probably met earlier
20:21 < industromatic> That must have been when I asked around about reprap in Austin TX
20:21 < industromatic> maybe a few months is all.
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20:22 < industromatic> I wish Les Filip would get his shop solvent long enough to build that CNC router.
20:22 < QuantumG> I'm not sure it's relevant here, but I dunno where else I'd talk about it.. I found out the other day that a friend of mine started using Ubuntu about a year ago on his primary computer at my recommendation (I vaguely recall saying "Windows won't run on it?  Install Ubuntu!") and hasn't felt any desire to switch back or nagged me about anything he can't get working.
20:22 < industromatic> Ubuntu's good.
20:23 < industromatic> I use debian and sometimes get into upgrade hell because I try new things.
20:23 < industromatic> Ubuntu avoids that somewhat.  But you can't try new thigs as easy.
20:25 < industromatic> I just figured how to use git submodules and am calling it a day.
20:25 < kanzure> night, me too
20:25 < industromatic> g'night.
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