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01:49 < archels> < ybit2> i often doubt my ability to save the human race < ybit2> because of time constraints
01:49 < archels> haha
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02:03 < archels> Shit, there was an ImmInst conference in Belgium?
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08:07 < kanzure> ide thingy for openscad/repg/skeinforge http://fabbaloo.com/blog/2010/11/8/rapcad-announced.html
08:11 < kanzure> hillis knowledge database or why wikipedia sucks http://edge.org/3rd_culture/hillis10/hillis10_index.html
08:11 < kanzure> oops i might have meant http://edge.org/3rd_culture/hillis04/hillis04_index.html
08:12 < industromatic> rapcad sounds like a GUI is all.
08:12 < kanzure> although he poses it as a learning thing. whatever.
08:12 < kanzure> industromatic: yeah :/
08:18 < industromatic> Bryan, what microfluidic set of parts would sell best to diybio folks?
08:19 < industromatic> I'm thinking of a microscope slide mount with ports and a diverter that works with a piezo driver to push to and fro.
08:20 < industromatic> A diverter would be used with microscope for slow hand sorting, and with emitter detector for fast sorts.
08:20 < industromatic> any of that needs good macro connecting tubing that is very limp.
08:21 < industromatic> I like the idea of simple push fit ports that tubing shoves into for a seal.
08:21 < industromatic> All out of glass bonded at boiling water temps with sodium silicate.
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08:28 < kanzure> industromatic: a plug-and-play jigsaw puzzle system
08:28 < kanzure> Fast and reliable way to establish fluidic connections to planar microchips http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Fast%20and%20reliable%20way%20to%20establish%20fluidic%20connections%20to%20planar%20microchips%20-%20straws%20-%20glue%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202007.pdf
08:29 < kanzure> Interconnectable blocks - a method for providing reusable, rapid, multiple aligned and planar microfluidic interconnections http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Interconnectable%20blocks%20-%20a%20method%20for%20providing%20reusable,%20rapid,%20multiple,%20aligned%20and%20planar%20microfluidic%20interconnections%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202009.pdf
08:29 < kanzure> Macro-to-macro interfaces http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Macro-to-micro%20interfaces%20for%20microfluidic%20devices.pdf
08:29 < kanzure> Microfluidic assembly blocks http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20assembly%20blocks.pdf
08:29 < kanzure> Microfluidic motherboards and interconnects http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20motherboard%20-%20has%20a%20good%20list%20of%20different%20types%20of%20interconnections%20from%20the%20literature.pdf
08:30 < kanzure> another paper i recall used straws and bubble gum for ports. i imagine rubber cement or something like it would work fine too. straw diameter might be too large.
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08:36 < industromatic> I'm thinking of products that go beyond bubble gum, but are not an array of legos either.
08:37 < industromatic> Can't think of ways to get lego block fluidics.
08:37 < kanzure> those articles show "lego block" fluidics (sort of)
08:39 < kanzure> why are syringe pumps so expensive?
08:46 < industromatic> "lego block" fluidics could be done if you could make a 3D flange accurately line up with edge ports.
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08:47 < kanzure> you could maybe have the blocks lock together but also on a 2d surface (plexiglass?)
08:47 < industromatic> I'm searching for good teeny tubing.  That could define most of it.
08:47 < kanzure> plexiglass -> put down block pieces into whatever pattern (interconnected) -> sandwhich plexiglass again & tighten it down like hell
08:48 < kanzure> *sandwich
08:48 < industromatic> Yeah, the 4mm tall IB interconnect blocks seeems good.
08:51 < kanzure> another scare article on diybio (well, not entirely) http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/11/08/seven-terror-tech-trends/
08:52 < kanzure> haha someone's commentary on that article :) http://www.ph2dot1.com/2010/11/hoo-boy.html
08:54 < industromatic> I like capillary glass tubes for lining up with a port out of a planar surface, but there's no good o-ring method.
08:54 < kanzure> how are you propelling the liquids?
08:54 < industromatic> So finding teeny teflon tubing seems the thing.
08:54 < kanzure> surface tension? margonelli forces? lasers/explosions? hydrualics/pumps? pneumatics? gravity?
08:54 < industromatic> propelling the liquids?  Oh, haven't gotten that far.
08:55 < kanzure> it greatly influences design decisions
08:55 < industromatic> pos disp. pumps seem best sellers.
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08:55 < industromatic> Theyhave to be micro smooththough.
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09:03 < industromatic> Maybe an ethernet syringe pump would be a good first product -- not even microfluidic, just Luer lock.
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09:30 < kanzure> miriam leis again.. skdb = Repo(owner=kanzure, name="skdb")
09:30 < kanzure> er
09:30 < kanzure> http://www.synthethics.eu/
09:33 < dbolser> Focus Issue of Chaos: Intrinsic and Designed Computation: Information Processing in Dynamical Systems--Beyond the Digital Hegemony
09:33 < dbolser> http://maestro.aip.org/trk/click?ref=zstq4sfk3_0-45ex38bax3183875&
09:35 < dbolser> Chaogates: Morphing logic gates that exploit dynamical patterns
09:35 < dbolser> http://maestro.aip.org/trk/click?ref=zstq4sfk3_0-45ex38bfx3183875&
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09:38 < industromatic> After reading the paper on IBs, I'm sold.  Glass "chips" could be edge ground and polished just as the PMMA boded ones they used.
09:38 < kanzure> :)
09:38 < kanzure> snakenborg's paper?
09:39 < industromatic> Yep.  snakenborg.
09:39 < kanzure> what an awesome name
09:39 < industromatic> Wonder if that is legally locked anywhere?
09:39 < kanzure> ?
09:41 < industromatic> Even Snakenborg's methods don't attempt a grid of building block microfluidics, just a standardized edge connect for most any "chip".
09:44 < industromatic> Snakenborg's needle attach block is so close together they used one port at a time.  Limiting.
09:45 < dbolser> what is the limit of protein quantification 'on-a-chip'?
09:45 < kanzure> you mean chromatography or what ?
09:45 < dbolser> i.e. can you make a chip to detect cancer marker proteins?
09:45 < kanzure> yes
09:45 < kanzure> but it would involve some extra hardware :P
09:45 < dbolser> ah...
09:45 < kanzure> for instance, there was a chromatography-on-a-chip setup i saw
09:45 < dbolser> so the chip would do separation?
09:45 < dbolser> right
09:46 < kanzure> there's also other ways though
09:46 < kanzure> like if you used antibodies or aptamers
09:46 < dbolser> I'm wondering what the limit of protein identification is 
09:46 < dbolser> in terms of miniaturization
09:46 < kanzure> i'm sorry but what do you mean "the limit"
09:47 < industromatic> An attach block that fans out to luerlocks would be good.
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09:48 < kanzure> industromatic: also check out http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Fast%20and%20reliable%20way%20to%20establish%20fluidic%20connections%20to%20planar%20microchips%20-%20straws%20-%20glue%20-%20Snakenborg%20-%202007.pdf
09:48 < dbolser> kanzure: sorry, bad way of trying to summarise 
09:48 < industromatic> dbolser:  Some mass spec by MEMS beam mass change detectors could do somethinng if they had zones that would attract proteins on the vibrating beams.
09:48 < dbolser> what is the cheapest way to do protein identification?
09:49 < dbolser> ic
09:50 < kanzure> you could also separate proteins by mass via gravity
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09:50 < kanzure> gravity: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/A%20Gravity-Driven%20Microfluidic%20Particle%20Sorting%20Device%20with%20Hydrodynamic%20Separation%20Amplification.pdf
09:50 < kanzure> gravity: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Hydrodynamic%20filtration%20for%20on-chip%20particle%20concentration%20and%20classification%20utilizing%20microfluidics.pdf
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09:51 < kanzure> again: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/In-channel%20focusing%20of%20flowing%20microparticles%20utilizing%20hydrodynamic%20filtration.pdf
09:51 < dbolser> hmmm
09:51 < t_siamendes> proteins have novel shapes/folds so it shouldnt be too hard to id them from that
09:51 < dbolser> t_siamendes: indeed, they are clearly distinguishable when xtalized and blasted with x-rays ;-)
09:51 < kanzure> i like aptamers/antibodies because you can have a binding event involving, say, light/glowing
09:51 < kanzure> and then you just take a picture
09:52 < dbolser> kanzure: so we just need a biomarker ab array
09:52 < kanzure> spiral microfluidic nanoparticle separator http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/microfluidics/Spiral%20microfluidic%20nanoparticle%20separators.pdf
09:53 < dbolser> kanzure: can I s/particle/protein/ in all these tools?
09:53 < dbolser> why does bio.cc sound familiar...
09:53 < kanzure> heh
09:53 < kanzure> uh
09:54 < kanzure> don't tell please :(
09:54 < kanzure> i hid the files on there
09:54 < dbolser> btw, are you here: http://groups.google.com/group/biocc-server-interface/pendmsg?hl=en-GB_GB&pli=1
09:54 < dbolser> ;-)
09:54 < dbolser> oh... bad link
09:54 < dbolser> http://groups.google.com/group/biocc-server-interface?hl=en-GB_GB
09:55 < kanzure> presumably i have an account there but i don't know where to ssh into
09:55 < dbolser> kanzure: they set up an ip based ssh filter
09:55 < kanzure> lovely :(
09:55 < dbolser> you can get an account on ssh.biomama.org
09:55 < dbolser> which is for all IPs
09:56 < dbolser> (you can ssh bio.cc from biomama
09:56 < kanzure> ssh.biomama.org doesn't resolve
09:56 < dbolser> sorry, .com
09:56 < kanzure> connection refused on port 22
09:56 < dbolser> 2022
09:56 < kanzure> picky.
09:57 < kanzure> hmm my old password doesn't work
09:57 < dbolser> right, you'll need a new one. Please ask jongbhak@yahoo.com and cc whtndks81@gmail.com
09:57 < kanzure> k
09:58 < dbolser> he said they just ordered 'hundreds' of Tb disks...
09:58 < dbolser> should be fun ;-)
09:58 < dbolser> night
09:58 < kanzure> dbolser: have you seen library genesis?
09:58 < kanzure> http://free-books.dontexist.com/
09:58 < kanzure> it's a couple TB torrent
09:58 < dbolser> cool
09:58 < dbolser> didn't look in detail yet
09:59 < dbolser> Utopiah: pointed me at it
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10:50 < industromatic> I read the older Snakenborg paper and searched for patent fluidic interconnection block and no hits.
10:52 < industromatic> What if you molded thick "gaskets" like his IBs so the through holes could be molded around wires that are shorter?
10:53 < industromatic> That might make it less laborious to mold.
10:54 < kanzure> did you search for patents in the .dk or where-ever he's authoring from? 
10:54 < kanzure> (not that it matters)
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10:59 < industromatic> just googled "patent fluidic interconnection block".
10:59 < kanzure> oh, you should google patent and snakenborg instead
11:01 < industromatic> Snakenborg used 250 um POFbier as mold for the channels in his IBs -- that's the size of some wire also.
11:01 < kanzure> here:
11:01 < kanzure> http://www.dtu.dk/English/Service/Phonebook.aspx?lg=showcommon&id=25156&type=publications
11:01 < kanzure> there's a few patents
11:02 < kanzure> nothing relevant
11:02 < kanzure> One-step fabrication of microfluidic chips with in-plane, adhesive-free interconnections"
11:02 < kanzure> that was http://www.dtu.dk/English/Service/Phonebook.aspx?lg=showcommon&id=261816
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11:07 < industromatic> >	nothing relevant  that I saw wither
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11:16 < kanzure> hmm i do not feel good about this
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11:16 < kanzure> in order to be more "relevant" humanity+ is thinking about an "H+ stamp of approval" for tech projects
11:17 < kanzure> namely, other people who are doing work get the "privledge" of adding the Humanity+ stamp of approval
11:17 < kanzure> imho this is a disasterous idea
11:17 < kanzure> personally i wouldn't want the Humanity+ stamp on any of my projects
11:17 < kanzure> since the organization is such an embarrassing failure
11:22 < industromatic> you'r e in a funk over   "H+ stamp of approval"?
11:23 < industromatic> I looked at the patents and thought aboutthe papers and the IB concept is so like a gasket it proably won't patent.
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11:23 < industromatic> IBs also have integral o-rings, which also is prior art.
11:24 < kanzure> not a funk- just some email exchanges going on. doesn't matter
11:24 < kanzure> are these PMMA or PDMA?
11:24 < kanzure> ybit had an SU8 lithography setup a while back
11:24 < kanzure> wonder if he still uses that
11:24 < industromatic> The IBs are molded of silicone
11:25 < industromatic> SU8 == ?
11:26 < industromatic> SU8 is a photoresist?
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11:27 < industromatic> The edges of 2-layer bonded microfluidics they connect to are PMMA, but glass will work fine also.
11:28 < industromatic> I could see developing some glass parts that are autoclavable, reused, and micromachined molds for silicone sealer gaskets that are many uses.
11:30 < industromatic> Instead of the needle attach blocks of silicone, I would make those of hard plastic or glass/epoxied asesmblies to luer locks or something smaller for tubes.
11:31 < kanzure> with a luer lock multiple blocks wouldn't be flesh next to each other, would they?
11:32 < kanzure> flush
11:32 < kanzure> not flesh :)
11:32 < industromatic> luer lock is 4mm. and big syringes plug into or connectors with about 8mm size, so that would need fan out.
11:32 < kanzure> big syringes can have different i/o ports on the blocks (like on the top/bottom surfaces)
11:33 < kanzure> i was thinking the blocks themselves would connect to other blocks by the edges (the surface that has the depth of the block/chip)
11:34 < industromatic> Without making a sketch, start from syringe driven tube, then luer to a lbock that fans in four paths, then a IB, then glass with anything, and optionally another set of IB and luer or just drains or ??
11:35 < industromatic> "big syringes can have different i/o ports"  I would skip anything like that, and keep all multiport stuff in the micro size range.
11:36 < industromatic> I think you can buy luer to tube where the tube is .5mm ID  500 um.  
11:45 < kanzure> industromatic: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/microfluidic_interconnectable_blocks.png crude diagram
11:50 < kanzure> nothing to scale :P
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12:28 < industromatic> Bryan:  your diagram looks like a thing that Snakenborg DID patent.  A holder for many chips and interconnects.
12:28 < kanzure> hmm
12:28 < kanzure> link to the patent?
12:28 < industromatic> I'll look.
12:28 < industromatic> here:  http://www.europatentbox.com/patent/EP2108452A1/abstract/190659.html
12:29 < industromatic> To get some of the images that tell you what I mean, use the link to full doc .pdf
12:30 < kanzure> hmm if the image on that link is to be believed, then my idea is different
12:30 < kanzure> namely the concept of having a platform on which to plug the chips on to the surface, in any generic order
12:30 < kanzure> or whatever pattern.
12:30 < industromatic> It is just an app, not a patent.  It covers adjustability and clamping is about all...
12:30 < kanzure> the image (Fig. 2) looks more like a jig
12:30 < industromatic> yes, jig and clamp.
12:31 < industromatic> yours has clear plate clamp also, just as his.
12:32 < kanzure> hmm i see
12:32 < kanzure> claim 13 is p. nice 
12:32 < industromatic> A lego method could work.  The pegs would need to be deep, so alignment could happen as you lower blocks in place with gaskets between.
12:33 < kanzure> right
12:33 < industromatic> How many could you connect at once?  Depends on their interconnects...toomany fingers required...
12:35 < kanzure> huh? i'm hoping a final system ilke this would be exactly like a jigsaw puzzle except with standardized pieces
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12:36 < kanzure> industromatic: the snakenborg patent seems different from my idea in many ways; he basically has "an adjustable external hard drive enclosure" for chips
12:36 < kanzure> whereas i'm thinking of a sort of.. "breadboard" where components connect (except when they are flush or otherwise connected)
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12:44 < industromatic> "breadboard" has hurdles I know not how to scale.
12:45 < industromatic> Unless they connect underneath?
12:46 < industromatic> But then the bottom plate is complex and can plug, and how to make snake holes in it?
12:47 < kanzure> i was just using the word breadboard- rapid prototyping board on which you plug things into (or on top of), i don't think connecting the devices to the board/plate itself is necessary (except for clamping)
12:47 < industromatic> edge connections need side pressure to work, so how the jigsaw puzzle?
12:47 < kanzure> although the bottom board could have pegs on which the chips would fall in place to (as a way to "lock" them into place so they don't move around while you work)
12:47 < kanzure> hmm
12:48 < kanzure> well
12:48 < kanzure> i was hoping there might be a way to tighten them down enough for that :/
12:48 < industromatic> Are yo thinking seals that are at most 1 atm + .2 ATM differential?
12:48 < kanzure> i wouldn't know the pressure ratings yet
12:48 < industromatic> The ohters were getting 5 ATM
12:49 < kanzure> this is pretty easy to test i think
12:50 < industromatic> If you really wanted lego-like, and accepted .2 ATM pressures, and large dead volumes, maybe...
12:50 < kanzure> where would the dead volumes be?
12:50 < kanzure> what's the pressure on lego snap-fits anyway
12:50 < industromatic> dead V is at each connect, where you have the human tolerable slop of +/-400 um.
12:51 < industromatic> lego side pressure can be big.
12:51 < kanzure> suppose the bottom plate had an array of pegs, on which the blocks could be dropped on to, which would lower the placement margin error
12:52 < industromatic> easy to test i think....  nothing ever is...  test is the hard work.
12:52 < kanzure> although i don't know if i like that approach (board with pegs on it for each blog)
12:52 < kanzure> *block
12:53 < industromatic> snakenborg et al used pins -- same thing.
12:53 < industromatic> pins located for the squeeze action to create seals.
12:53 < industromatic> lego pegs same thing.
12:56 < industromatic> Here's a simpler connect goal using IB concept:   http://ecosensory.com/diybio/microfluidic-blocks-1.jpg
12:56 < industromatic> In that I only squeeze in one dir, not jigsaw possibilities.
12:57 < industromatic> If not adjacent you could design pin plate for connect squeeze in 2 dirs.
12:59 < industromatic> The selling points for such a sys are:  reuse the luer connect, luer transition, and output buckets across experiments.
13:00 < industromatic> Also reuse the IBs mostly...  design "chips" on grids and they will reuse well.
13:00 < industromatic> ports on grids like 1mm
13:01 < industromatic> gotta work on income generating....
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13:19 < kanzure> hi jmil 
13:20 < jmil> yo yo ma
13:20 < jmil> what's up
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15:57 < Utopiah> IEEE International Symposium on Rapid System Prototyping (RSP) http://www.rsp-symposium.org 
15:57 < kanzure> a study on etsy/instructables/"DIY" http://staceyk.org/hci/KuznetsovDIY.pdf
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16:16 < QuantumG> NASA's CTO Bobby Braun will be on The Space Show on Friday. Send your questions to DrSpace@thespaceshow.com 
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16:35 < joshcryer> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/weo2010_london_nov9.pdf
16:36 < joshcryer> WEO -> peak oil upon us
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16:41 < joshcryer> Main site btw: http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/ (if not obvious)
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16:43 < QuantumG> yawn
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16:48 < joshcryer> This is the first time the IEA has predicted production falloff.
16:49 < joshcryer> Even if you don't think Peak Oil is an issue (and I personally don't, to the extent that we won't be able to find other ways to extract resources, eg oil shale), it's sobering.
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16:59 < kanzure> ftp://free-books.dontexist.com/scimagz/
17:00 < superkuh> Oh my.
17:00 < kanzure> wow they have the full tetrahedron letters
17:00 < superkuh> Thanks for the heads up, kanzure.
17:01 < joshcryer> Looks like it's about 4 gigs for that.
17:01 < joshcryer> What's Tetrahedron letters?
17:01 < kanzure> superkuh: there's a torrent on free-books.dontexist.com
17:01 < kanzure> it's a few terabytes in total
17:02 < joshcryer> How many seeders? Haha
17:02 < kanzure> joshcryer: tetrahedron letters is a lot of scientific papers about molecular biology, RNA, DNA, self-replication, theoretical organic chemistry, etc.
17:03 < kanzure> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/233/description
17:05 < QuantumG> wow, this site is awesome
17:05 < joshcryer> QuantumG, http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/Melanchthon/OilECoyote.jpg
17:05 < joshcryer> :P
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17:06 < joshcryer> Yeah, it's slow as fuck though, I'm trying to find the terabyte torrent but there's no... descriptions that I see.
17:06 < kanzure> uh one sec
17:06 < kanzure> it's probably being raped by the entire free world
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17:06 < joshcryer> Haha
17:07 < joshcryer> How'd you find it?
17:07 < kanzure> eugen leitl
17:07 < kanzure> http://eugen.leitl.org/
17:07 < joshcryer> Epic collection, I assume it's just a collection of collections.
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17:08 < QuantumG> Francis_C._Moon-The_Machines_of_Leonardo_Da_Vinci_and_Franz_Reuleaux__Kinematics_of_Machines_from_the_Renaissance_to_the_20th_Century_(History_of_Mechanism_and_Machine_Science)-Springer(2007).pdf
17:08 < QuantumG> Herbert_Goldstein_et_al.-Classical_Mechanics-Addison-Wesley.pdf
17:09 < QuantumG> was just looking at these two books this morning and thinking "I should really read that stuff" and now I can download em
17:09 < kanzure> joshcryer: all of the relative torrents are in here:
17:09 < kanzure> ftp://free-books.dontexist.com/repository_torrent/0-319.rar
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17:10 < kanzure> haha that's a 23 MB file.
17:10 < joshcryer> Haha
17:10 < joshcryer> I download a hundred gigs a month typically.
17:11 < joshcryer> It would take me two years to get this thing.
17:11 < joshcryer> Unless I set up a wifi AP swarm and leech from my neighbors.
17:11 < kanzure> hm wait that's not what i want
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17:12 < joshcryer> I wanted to get "The elements of computing systems: building a modern computer from first principles"
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17:13 < kanzure> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ might be faster
17:13 < kanzure> kolkhoz
17:14 < joshcryer> Thanks
17:14 < joshcryer> That actually loads, heh.
17:14 < joshcryer> They don't have it. :/ Aww.
17:15 < kanzure> maybe this is the torrent:
17:15 < kanzure> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/files/torrents_0-256.rar
17:16 < joshcryer> Aww, they don't have "The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software"
17:16 < joshcryer> How dare them not have what I want.
17:18 < kanzure> torrents_0-256.rar is a tarbomb
17:29 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
17:29 < kanzure> what is this? http://torrent.rus.ec/tracker.php?f=414
17:29 < kanzure> maybe a generic tracker
17:30 < kanzure> http://home-lib.net/
17:36 < kanzure> http://lib.ololo.cc/libdb/LibraryGenesis110k-torrents.7z
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17:42 < kanzure> oh well. i was hoping to check up on the health of those torrents.
17:42 < JayDugger> What do you use to translate the pages?
17:42 < kanzure> how will i learn if i translate?
17:42 < JayDugger> How's your Russian? :P
17:43 < JayDugger> Better than mine, obviously.
17:43 < kanzure> ????? ??????
17:43 < JayDugger> Show off.
17:44 < JayDugger> I withdraw the question. 
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17:44 < kanzure> i could just go with ??@??~H????@??~H????@??~H????@??~H????@??~H??
17:44 < kanzure> and pretend your client is broken
17:44 < joshcryer> Why learn Russian?
17:44 < joshcryer> Unless you plan to acquire a Russian bride.
17:45 < JayDugger> Or have Russian co-workers.
17:50 < kanzure> JayDugger: i think i meant something closer to "3to ??????"
17:50  * kanzure grumbles something about key bindings
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18:31 < JayDugger> After all...where else than Library Genesis would one find such useful titles as Naylor's "The Busy Brides Essential Wedding Checklists"?
18:38 < Redeemer> Kanzure, have ya figured out anything regarding hotel stuff?
18:38 < Redeemer> Correction, any ideas rather?
18:43 < kanzure> nope
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20:10 < kanzure> http://openpcr.org/2010/11/igem-2010-synthetic-biology-and-more/
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21:55 < fenn> omfg becoming root on my phone (nexus one) voids the warranty
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21:56 < fenn> so if i want to do something like, oh, wget some mp3's from my server i can't get it repaired when the battery explodes
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22:16 < fenn> https://github.com/martynhaigh/Tiny-Open-Source-Violin
22:24 < fenn> seems like there is hardly any open source stuff for android
22:24 < superkuh> http://superkuh.ath.cx/violin_slightly-more-tiny-and-slightly-less-opensource.jpg (33kB vs 179kB)
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