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05:42 < archels> Finally put my collection of neuroscience pictures in a somewhat decent format...
05:42 < archels> http://www.conncad.com/gallery/
05:44 < Utopiah> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/11/the-open-source-economy-and-metacurrencies.html
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06:45 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:13 < kanzure> stream from the russian transhumanist movement http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rtmseminar5
07:19 < kanzure> austin hackerspace got itself a mural http://blog.atxhackerspace.org/2010/11/our-mural-by-tesseract-travellers/
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08:05 < kanzure> russian transhumanist movement registration form https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dERULXpZYlp1QTBnMEp6UkZ0N29MVXc6MQ
08:05 < kanzure> screw it i'll just use their RTM acronym (it's not precisely obvious to outsiders though)
08:12 < archels> A Russian Transhumanists conference in Russian? Who'da thunk it.
08:12 < archels> kanzure I'm offended that you did not browse my gallery
08:12 < archels> :)
08:16 < kanzure> archels: no, i like it :)
08:16 < kanzure> archels: did you ever see brainbow and those images? http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/brainbow/
08:17 < kanzure> explanation: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/brainbow_strategies.png
08:19 < archels> Yeah, I skimmed the paper while inserting the reference... pretty spectacular imagery!
08:21 < kanzure> i really should upload my paperdump .. the one on bio.cc is a few years old
08:21 < kanzure> on the designfiles.org/papers/ dump there were some cool images of lentiviral vectors infecting GFP genes into neurons
08:22 < kanzure> so that certain types of ion channels would always have gfp attached
08:22 < archels> Interesting, after your browsing session it got picked up by TwitterBot, GoogleBot and some Yahoo bot.
08:22 < kanzure> actually i don't know if 'always' is the right word there.. because some sources say there should be millions of ion channels on a neuron's membrane, but there were clearly only a few thousand ion channels in the images
08:23 < kanzure> archels: because i tweeted it
08:23 < archels> oh you did! Cool. :P
08:31 < archels> kanzure: Do you know if anyone's capturing tomorrow's talk by Suzanne Gildert in Teleplace?
08:32 < kanzure> aubrey de gray interview (but it's from spacecollective.org so it's probably more.. artsy/aesthetics) http://spacecollective.org/Wildcat/6465/Longevity-Its-for-Lovers-A-brief-interview-with-Aubrey-De-Grey
08:33 < kanzure> archels: no clue.. ask Giulio Prisco <giulio@gmail.com>
08:33 < kanzure> archels: frankly i'd just ignore the whole telexlr8/teleplace thing
08:37 < archels> kanzure: Is it possible to bypass that altogether and still view the talk?
08:37 < Utopiah> archels: Giulio usually publish recordings on his blog few days after
08:42 < archels> Utopiah: I noticed that for some previous talks, but didn't know whether it was somewhat at random.
08:43 < Utopiah> note that the titles are often way more tempting than the content :/
08:44 < archels> Well, I guess that's one of the downsides of Teleplace--one may be tempted to turn a talk into some kind of forum/discussion. But the platform is just horribly inadequate for that, and the lack of users makes it worse.
08:51 < kanzure> also the lack of platform support
08:53 < Utopiah> 1st transhumanist conf in France in Paris the 17th, maybe it will be broadcasted and maybe in french
08:53 < Utopiah> (17th of January)
08:53 < kanzure> Utopiah: link plz
08:54 < Utopiah> http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/transhumanistes/message/944
08:54 < Utopiah> (thought it was just an email)
08:57 < kanzure> i was reading this because i was looking up "chris binny" http://noodlemaz.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/the-future-of-science/
08:57 < kanzure> but it turns out anders is listed there too
09:01 < kanzure> ne1 hidden subsite :/ http://nanoengineer-1.com/dev1/
09:01 < kanzure> http://nanoengineer-1.com/dev1/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=85
09:16 < fitzsim> hi kazure, I tried to use the NE-1 git repo last night
09:17 < fitzsim> kanzure: how did you convert from SVN to git?
09:27 < kanzure> fitzsim: was something wrong with the git repo? "tried to use"
09:27 < kanzure> git-svn
09:27 < fitzsim> it was really slow
09:28 < fitzsim> I was surprised to still see the trunk/tags/branches svn layout too
09:28 < kanzure> cloning the repo? yes- it's about 300 MB
09:28 < kanzure> however, it shouldn't be slow after this since you have everything now
09:28 < fitzsim> no, using the repo
09:28 < fitzsim> git status was really slow
09:28 < kanzure> yeah there's a few hundred thousand files for it to check
09:28 < kanzure> i think putting the tags into separate branches would be nice
09:29 < fitzsim> yeah
09:29 < kanzure> but i'm not quite sure why they are all there anyway
09:29 < fitzsim> that's what I would haven expected git-svn to do
09:29 < fitzsim> shouldn't the resulting git repo replace branches/ with real git branches?
09:29 < fitzsim> likewise with tags?
09:30 < kanzure> well, yes.
09:31 < kanzure> yeah there's a lot of maintenance work i need to do here
09:32 < kanzure> i'm not sure if i should commit changes to the repo to port over all of the tags/branches
09:32 < kanzure> i'd rather have the history rewritten or something, but that would screw over everyone who has cloned it
09:32 < fitzsim> did you convert from a backup of the SVN repo?
09:33 < fitzsim> I think you may need to re-run git-svn with different options or something
09:34 < kanzure> maybe --stdlayout
09:35 < fitzsim> this one tutorial covers converting tags: http://pauldowman.com/2008/07/26/how-to-convert-from-subversion-to-git/
09:38 < fitzsim> I think what we want is to not use --stdlayout
09:38 < fitzsim> since this is a one-time conversion we want to change to the git style of doing things
09:39 < fitzsim> hopefully that will speed up repository operation
09:39 < kanzure> how about svn.noMetadata (to remove the git-svn-id stuff in the commit messages)
09:40 < kanzure> since mark isn't going to let anyone see the svn repo i doubt the git-svn-id data matters
09:41 < fitzsim> yeah, that sounds right for a one-time conversion
09:41 < fitzsim> did you point git-svn to the original SVN location, or are you working with a SVN backup tarball?
09:43 < kanzure> original svn location.. last time i cloned it it took about 14 hours (from a reasonable internet connection)
09:43 < kanzure> i did git-svn directly
09:44 < kanzure> anyway, i'll fix the author usernames while i'm at it
09:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/authors.txt
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09:45 < kanzure> if you can provide any fullnames/email addresses that would be really hot
09:45 < fitzsim> ok, bummer you don't have a backup of the repo so you can experiment quickly on your local machine
09:45 < kanzure> i know a few of these guys but not all
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09:46 < kanzure> i have no idea if i should use helfrich9000@gmail.com for brian :x
09:46 < fitzsim> Mark could probably fill in that entire list for you
09:48 < kanzure> niftyzero1: how do you know jey kottalam or tom moore?
09:49 < kanzure> i see that tom moore had an account
09:52 < kanzure> fitzsim: what do you think, should i keep wware and willware_nanorex as the same email addressing (wware@alum.mit.edu) or set willware_nanorex as wware@nanorex.com ?
09:52 < kanzure> *email address
09:52 < kanzure> i figure that mark@nanorex.com is probably the only remaining, working nanorex email address
09:53 < fitzsim> yeah, I'd say use the most current email address for everyone
10:09 < kanzure> fitzsim: ok email sent to the mailing list
10:12 < kanzure> kevin kelly presenting "what technology wants" at google http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCWR0A3iziE
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10:44 < niftyzero1> kanzure - I know jey because we worked together on the singularity summit web site
10:44 < niftyzero1> I don't recall exactly how I met tom, but we worked a bit on some nano simulation
10:44 < niftyzero1> I wrote this small gromacs to blender script: https://github.com/devrandom/nanotools
10:44 < kanzure> ah cool
10:44 < kanzure> tom has been emailing me recently
10:45 < kanzure> in particular about nanoengineer-1
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10:48 < kanzure> hi fenn_ 
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11:11 < kanzure> cool baez knows bruce smith (from nanorex) http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/september_2006.html
11:17 < kanzure> fenn_: you should go meet markus krummenacker http://www.n-a-n-o.com/kr/resume-kr.html 
11:18 < kanzure> he was doing a startup in molecular nanotechnology in 2003ish
11:18 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20070205011008/http://www.molecubotics.com/
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11:33 < kanzure> this is a strange path of links to end up following:
11:33 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20030619212512/http://discuss.foresight.org/critmail/critters/0652.html
11:34 < kanzure> -> http://lfw.org/ -> http://zesty.ca/ -> http://zesty.ca/scrape/ which looks like a nice python library for scraping webpages
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11:35 < kanzure> also plus weird xanadu.. stuff.
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12:05 < kanzure> hm another random development site http://www.nanoengineer-1.net/xyz
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12:32 < kanzure> kinematic cellular automata for self-replicating systems at nasa (2004) http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/883Toth-Fejel.pdf
12:35 < memorex> anyone interested in compiling a swg server with me?
12:37 < mayko> oooo CA are tay secksay not familiar with kinematic CA though
12:37 < kanzure> i'm surprised i haven't seen this study before..
12:38 < kanzure> i guess my knowledge of freitas' work on this is up to http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/
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12:38 < kanzure> and http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM.htm
12:45 < mayko> heh bunnies everywhere!
12:46 < mayko> i just ran across a cool article on archeal biofilms
12:46 < mayko> http://www.nasw.org/users/mslong/2010/2010_11/Biofilms.htm
12:46 < mayko> shouldnt surprise me but anything archeal is automatically cool
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12:55 < kanzure> "Toward that end, the two have been working on the design of nanomachines made of silsesquioxanes, or hybrid inorganic-organic composites in cubic form, from which molecules of silicon hang on each corner"
12:55 < kanzure> "The cubic cage with silicon atoms at the corners is connected by atoms of oxygen, forming a unit of one form of silica, Toth-Fejel explained."
12:57 < kanzure> that was from: http://web.archive.org/web/20060328094811/www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=2
13:02 < kanzure> haha this needs to be improved
13:03 < kanzure> "This worm drive assembly designed by K. Eric Drexler, Josh Hall, Ninad Sathaye and Mark Sims includes 11 components totalling 25,374 atoms."
13:03 < kanzure> "The animations below have been created from simulation results using NanoEngineer-1 Alpha 7, taking just over 370 hours to complete on a Dell laptop running WindowsXP. It is the largest model ever simulated with NanoEngineer-1."
13:03 < kanzure> image: http://web.archive.org/web/20061116061501/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/images/stories/gallery/wormdrive/worm_drive_animation5.gif
13:03 < kanzure> image: http://web.archive.org/web/20061116061501/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/images/stories/gallery/wormdrive/worm_drive_animation6.gif
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13:54 < archels> kanzure: What happens if you try to run those gears at room temperature?
14:10 < kanzure> i don't think anyone has done that yet to find out :x
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14:36 < timothyschmidt> kanzure: you around?
14:37 < timothyschmidt> I was just discussing with a friend how laws are source code, and should be kept in an SCM, but that 99.8% of folk don't even know what source code is, so that will never happen.
14:38 < timothyschmidt> The idea struck me that an independent project could simply start doing it - endeavor to maintain the nation's laws in an SCM, with all the utility that would come from that.
14:38 < timothyschmidt> After several years, it might be adopted.
14:38 < timothyschmidt> I bet there's significant NFP funding available somewhere for such a project.
14:38 < timothyschmidt> it's at the juicy intersection between tech and government
14:39 < kanzure> hi timothyschmidt 
14:39 < kanzure> timothyschmidt: wouldn't that require insiders?
14:40 < kanzure> unless you mean just scraping thomasnet and legislation publications
14:40 < kanzure> s/thomasnet/thomas.gov/
14:40 < timothyschmidt> the US legislature (and certainly others) already use an SCM-like markup syntax 
14:40 < timothyschmidt> Yeah, I mean scraping all public sources.
14:41 < timothyschmidt> even just the scraped incomplete database would provide a lot of benefit
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15:10 < kanzure> "molecular sorting pump" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfuvLT4bbbA
15:10 < kanzure> looks more like it was designed in solidworks or something
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19:54 < kanzure> Mitigating cognitive bottlenecks via an augmented cognition adaptive system http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1243935
19:55 < kanzure> hm how do i not have paper access any more
20:06 < fitzsim> kanzure: I was thinking about the git repo
20:06 < fitzsim> another thing that may slow it down is all the binary data
20:06 < fitzsim> during the conversion you may want to experiment with sub-modules for the binary data
20:07 < fitzsim> where all the subdirectories that contain exclusively binary data would be stored in a separate module, but checked out into the same working directory
20:09 < fitzsim> it would have to produce big speed improvements to be worth the hassle, i.e., dependent on the result of the experiment
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20:26 < kanzure> fitzsim: it's up to r7521.. so about half-way done now
20:28 < fitzsim> kanzure: nice
20:29 < fitzsim> kanzure: let me know if you want me to test checkout and "git status" speeds
20:29 < fitzsim> kanzure: hopefully the binaries won't affect speed too much
20:30 < fitzsim> I know binaries do slow down SVN pretty bad, but git may deal with them better
20:33 < timothyschmidt> git deals with binaries well, so long as they're < half your machines ram size.
20:34 < timothyschmidt> rather, I should say that git deals with all files equally well - so long as none of them are > half your ram size.
20:35 < timothyschmidt> when it encounters a single file that large, whatever sort of mmap trickery it uses doesn't work so well.
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21:27 < jrayhawk> kanzure: progress seems to be being made on the autoindex situation you didn't like http://ikiwiki.info/todo/transient_pages/
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22:03 < kanzure> r8788
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