--- Log opened Thu Dec 02 00:00:08 2010 00:06 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.166.148.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@124.124.216.219] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- codeshepherd_ [~Deepan@122.166.166.87] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@cpe-66-108-56-142.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:53 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@66.108.56.142] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:55 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@124.124.216.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:55 -!- codeshepherd_ is now known as codeshepherd 00:57 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.166.166.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:04 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-70-189-85.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:04 < joshcryer> I wish someone like Hitchens would advocate cryonics. 01:04 < joshcryer> He's not dead yet, but will be soon, and we keep losing great thinkers. Old age mostly, but cancer and other ailments are candidates, too. 01:06 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@124.124.216.219] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:23 -!- codeshepherd_ [~Deepan@122.167.74.143] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:26 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@124.124.216.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26 -!- codeshepherd_ is now known as codeshepherd 01:29 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-64-44.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-64-44.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:19 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:21 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:40 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:49 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- opensanta [opensanta@c-76-110-86-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:00 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.74.143] has quit [Quit: codeshepherd] 05:43 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.74.143] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@bas3-toronto06-2925098524.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:41 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.74.143] has quit [Quit: codeshepherd] 07:06 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:10 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:20 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:21 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:40 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 07:49 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:50 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:01 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:04 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Client Quit] 08:14 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:14 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Client Quit] 08:19 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:32 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:45 < kanzure> hrm i wonder when genspace.org got content 08:45 < kanzure> http://genspace.org/ (the nyc diybio hackerspace.. thing) 08:46 < kanzure> quite a poorly made site :x 08:46 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:52 < kanzure> http://seqanswers.com/ next generation DNA sequencing community forum 08:57 < kanzure> huh? there's already a humanity+ nyc 2011? bah 08:57 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:11 < kanzure> http://congenement.org/2010/12/the-congenement-will-participating-in-humanity-conference/ 09:11 < kanzure> their about page gets odd: http://congenement.org/about/ 09:11 < kanzure> "We are Transhumanists who believe that we must master our own evolution. It is our duty as thinking human beings to use all technological means necessary to enhance the human genome only, thus in turn leaving our bodies untainted through lesser ways like cybernetic and robotic enhancements." 09:11 < kanzure> "enhance the human genome only" 09:11 < kanzure> "leaving our bodies untained through lesser ways like cybernetic and robotic enhancements" 09:18 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:30 < kanzure> a brochure they are posting up at the conference: 09:30 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusbrochure.pdf 09:30 < kanzure> weird how i've not been told about the "research initiative" 09:30 < kanzure> the "internet of things" thing is because of david orban's company (widetag) 09:30 < kanzure> opencog is because of ben goertzel 09:31 -!- memorex [~durp@DHCP-209-153.wireless-resnet.ua.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:33 < uniqanomaly> meat-made-only humans, what a bunch of retards 09:34 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@70.50.67.242] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:49 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:52 < kanzure> fitzsim: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer but i'm trying to decide if i should fix all of the "committer" attributes (i'm listed as the committer for everything instead of the original authors) 09:52 < kanzure> otherwise it's working now. 09:56 < fitzsim> ok, I'll play around with the repo later today 09:57 < fitzsim> you mean you're listed as the committer for the synthetic commits, right? 10:03 < kanzure> no i'm listed as the committer for everything in master after my fake merge 10:04 < kanzure> check it out: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer/commit/?id=cc5226c42f4ae0fc00db9e4cb55928883a90f1be 10:17 -!- Dkdjss [a6890bea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.137.11.234] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- Dkdjss [a6890bea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.137.11.234] has left #hplusroadmap [] 10:21 < kanzure> Arsenic-eating microbe may redefine chemistry of life http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101202/full/news.2010.645.html 10:22 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:22 < Utopiah> should be announced in http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ soon? 10:23 < kanzure> "Wolfe-Simon will be one of the participants at NASA's news conference on an astrobiological discovery on 2 December 2010.[3] Wolfe-Simon will announce that there are microorganisms in Mono Lake which use arsenic in their DNA instead of phosphor" 10:23 < kanzure> guess so 10:23 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:23 < kanzure> the DOI link to science magazine doesn't really work (the one on nature.com) 10:24 < kanzure> broken: http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1197258 10:26 < kanzure> the paper's title is "A bacterium that can grow by using arsenic instead of phosphorus" 10:27 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:27 < kanzure> nope.. not listed here http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/recent 10:30 < kanzure> ah here we go.. her site http://www.ironlisa.com/ 10:31 -!- memorex [~durp@DHCP-209-153.wireless-resnet.ua.edu] has quit [Quit: memorex] 10:32 < kanzure> a previosu paper about arsenic/phosphate http://www.ironlisa.com/WolfeSimon_etal_IJA2009.pdf 10:34 < kanzure> recent review about arsenic microbial pathways in an astrobiological context http://www.ironlisa.com/Oremland_etal_GeomicroJournal2009.pdf 10:39 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:40 < kanzure> shadow biosphere strategies http://www.ironlisa.com/Davies_etal_Astrobio2009.pdf 10:42 -!- memorex [~durp@DHCP-209-153.wireless-resnet.ua.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:43 < kanzure> heh she cites ellington a lot (because of his RNA world work) 10:44 < Utopiah> do you have a tool to make bibliography analysis of her papers? like a distribution of journals, author, etc? 10:45 < kanzure> no, i can't even get ocr to work properly on citations 10:45 < kanzure> i just read the citations *shrug* 10:49 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:50 < kanzure> public video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObkqIMPmaJw 10:50 < kanzure> supposedly where the pdf will be: http://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1197258 10:54 < kanzure> i wonder why nasa is making a big deal out of this- we've seen a handful of different biochemistries before 11:00 < phryk> mhh reminds me: what happened to TARDigrades In Space? 11:06 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- memorex [~durp@DHCP-209-153.wireless-resnet.ua.edu] has quit [Quit: memorex] 11:14 < kanzure> Utopiah: it's on 11:14 < kanzure> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html?param=public 11:21 < kanzure> hm.. totem can play it but not mplayer? http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx 11:25 -!- flamoto [~root@70.49.175.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:26 -!- anelma [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- anelma [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 11:46 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:55 < kanzure> i don't think traditional sanger or pyrosequencing would work for this 11:56 < kanzure> felisa says that the amount of phospherous in her cell culture is not enough to account for the cell growth she recorded 11:57 < kanzure> OTOH, arsenic is a quasi-stable replacement for phospherous so maybe traditional phospherous-based would work 11:57 < kanzure> radioactive arsenic labeling might work to characterize its nucleotides 12:14 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:15 < kanzure> posted my DNA sequencing woes: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/4a8a6c1b2dddc253 12:18 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- memorex [~durp@118.sub-174-252-128.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57 < kanzure> "It takes from 170 to 250 years for Lamellibrachia luymesi to grow 2 meters in length, and even longer worms have been discovered." 12:57 < kanzure> cite http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/02/000203075002.htm 13:06 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:20 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:47 < eridu> hey kanzure 13:48 < eridu> why does death live in bethesda: http://fuckdeath.org/main.htm 13:48 < eridu> ? 13:52 < kanzure> hm that's the residence of Minda G. Nieblas 13:55 < kanzure> also lockheed martin 13:57 < kanzure> eridu: i thought fuckdeath.org was an immortality shock thing.. i.e. i got it through the transhumanist community originally 13:58 < kanzure> but maybe it was specific to lockheed martin 14:03 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-242-206-29.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:09 < eridu> sure seems to be immortality shock 14:09 < eridu> nothing even addresses lockheed martin 14:09 < eridu> (as far as I can tell) 14:11 < kanzure> maybe they figure lockheed martin has a lead on death's current whereabouts 14:11 < eridu> he might be an employee 14:12 < eridu> it*, I guess 14:24 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-131-78-92.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-59-91-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:42 < kanzure> deh? "Sounds good except for the fact that you're forgetting that arsenate is more reactive than phosphate which means the arsenate based backbone of DNA should be constantly getting ripped to shreds. Either this bacteria has found a way to protect the backbone or it has a hyper effective repair mechanism." 14:43 < kanzure> hi delinquentme 14:43 < delinquentme> kanzure, howdy :D woot for hyper effective repaid mechs 14:44 < QuantumG> or the researcher is just wrong. 14:48 < kanzure> copy of the nasa tv video http://www.wuala.com/danathar/public 14:49 < kanzure> slashdot speculation http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/12/02/151204 14:49 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:49 < kanzure> slashdot post-speculation http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/12/02/1934223 15:22 < kanzure> fitzsim: ok, now it's really really fixed 15:22 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer 15:22 < kanzure> this should be the last full-clone you'll be doing :P 15:25 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/nanoengineer 15:35 < fitzsim> kanzure: cloning 15:37 < kanzure> uh oh 15:38 < kanzure> nevermind my "uh oh"- git log was showing a duplicate commit, that was because of -m 15:52 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:54 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57 < fitzsim> Receiving objects: 100% (112253/112253), 371.69 MiB | 318 KiB/s, done. 15:57 < fitzsim> real 22m45.158s 15:59 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 15:59 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-131-78-92.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00 < kanzure> fitzsim: that's significantly longer than last time.. 16:03 < kanzure> last time it was 102000 objects (a factor of 10 less) and 401 MiB (about the same), 1.45 MiB/sec (4 times faster) 16:04 < kanzure> ok so it just seems to be your bandwidth this time 16:05 -!- shepazu [~schepers@71.23.81.183] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 16:20 < kanzure> fitzsim: iirc you asked for this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/polosims.svn.tar.gz 16:39 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:48 < kanzure> Utopiah: what do you make of this? http://healthcybermap.org/ 16:48 < kanzure> looks like they are trying to map healthcare-stuff by various document ids on a multidimensional graph 16:51 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:54 < kanzure> hmm so this is what aaron swartz has been up to http://demandprogress.org/ :/ 17:05 < jrayhawk> might go a bit faster if you git gc and git pack-refs 17:08 < kanzure> ok done 17:11 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-065-081-085-107.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:21 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-065-081-085-107.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:27 -!- shepazu [~schepers@rrcs-24-206-34-27.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@adsl-065-081-085-107.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 -!- shepazu [~schepers@rrcs-24-206-34-27.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:35 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@adsl-065-081-085-107.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:35 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:03 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-131-78-92.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- memorex_ [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14 -!- memorex_ is now known as memorex 18:47 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:26 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:43 < kanzure> i knew andrew was crazy (as all molecular biologists) are, 19:43 < kanzure> but this is insane: http://nsseff.ida.org/pages/cvs/Ellington-CV.pdf 19:46 < joshcryer> how so 19:49 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56 < kanzure> algorithmic generation of molecular structures http://willware.net/agj/ag.html 19:58 < kanzure> yeah i'm not sure about the atomically-precise gear :P 20:02 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:04 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-242-206-29.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- niftyzero [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:12 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.74.143] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 < kanzure> distributed molecular modeling http://www.foresight.org/Conferences/MNT05/Papers/Ware/index.html 20:19 < kanzure> old nanotech wiki http://web.archive.org/web/20070509064126/http://www.willware.net/cgi-bin/nanowiki/wiki.cgi 20:24 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:32 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 21:02 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:06 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:10 -!- Overand [overand@crappy.domain.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:21 -!- asdf30 [realname17@silenceisdefeat.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:01 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-64-31.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:03 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-9.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:07 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-219.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:13 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:14 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-64-31.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:15 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:22 < fitzsim> kanzure: I noticed that the three "Moving files in preparation for merge." commits appear as the latest commits 22:23 < fitzsim> kanzure: so when I select "All branches" in gitg I don't just see the master branch at the top of the list, I see 4 branches 22:25 < fitzsim> kanzure: did you look at setting the date on those commits to e.g. August 10th, 2007? 22:30 < kanzure> the moving-files commits that i made should have a timestamp of 2010-something but not be the HEAD of anything except sim, cad or Distribution 22:30 < kanzure> my commits happened in 2010 so i think it's fine to keep those dates like that.. 22:30 < fitzsim> yeah, ok 22:31 < fitzsim> I switched to topological ordering and things make more sense in that mode 22:32 < fitzsim> did you fix all file-move branches, or just the major merge one? 22:32 < kanzure> just the merge one 22:33 < kanzure> but the other branches do have history leading up to where-ever the branch point was and on down, just not where-ever they got merged back into trunk/master 22:34 < fitzsim> ok, so basically all branches have first-class git branch points, but not merge points 22:34 < fitzsim> let me try tracing back a moved file on a branch 22:34 < kanzure> git branch points are nothing special as far as i can remember 22:35 < kanzure> fitzsim: the example i've been using is sim/doc/TableforBsdata.xls on HEAD 22:35 < kanzure> just remember to pass --follow to git log 22:35 < fitzsim> yeah, I had been using sim/src/cube.mmp 22:35 < fitzsim> and I confirmed it follows it all the way back to the initial version which is nice 22:36 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-131-78-92.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:38 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:39 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:43 < fitzsim> kanzure: tried: git log --follow cad/src/operations/undo_UI.py 22:43 < fitzsim> looks like it doesn't follow the move from cad/src/undo_UI.py to cad/src/operations/undo_UI.py 22:45 < fitzsim> I guess what I'm wondering is where to draw the line on history traceability 22:46 < fitzsim> at one end of the spectrum is nanoengineer-fixed, where history is a wrote transcription of SVN (and cvs2svn) steps 22:47 < fitzsim> at the other end of the spectrum would be making sure all file moves can be followed back, and (to that end) even making the file-subset branches into real git branches 22:48 < fitzsim> e.g., where someone moved cad/src/operations/* to just src/ on an SVN branch, then worked on them 22:49 < fitzsim> we'd change that to replay all the changes they made to src but on a git branch replayed to cad/src/operations/ 22:50 < fitzsim> so that's at the "perfect git history" end of the spectrum 22:51 < fitzsim> (I'm not considering merge point re-creation which would likely be off the end of the perfect spectrum) 22:51 < fitzsim> and nanoengineer.git as it is right now is somewhere in the middle of this spectrum 22:52 < fitzsim> where file tracking works on the main development lines but maybe not on individual (historical) branches 23:00 -!- metaliving [~victorere@129.133.142.142] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:06 -!- |Helleshin| [~Helleshin@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07 -!- |Helleshin| [~Helleshin@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:08 -!- Ndaeke [~Daeken@cpe-66-108-56-142.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:08 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@66.108.56.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09 -!- mayko [~mayko@cpe-066-057-022-205.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09 -!- mayko [~mayko@cpe-066-057-022-205.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:39 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri Dec 03 00:00:07 2010