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00:23 < jrayhawk> a race to see who can implant the most neodymium magnets?
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02:26 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
02:32 < JayDugger> kanzure: who won the race?
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05:19 < Utopiah> if they are Vimperator users around, you should try the Pentadactyl alternative, it's really fast (just tried it)
05:28 < JayDugger> I found vimperator way over-powered for what I wanted: unique keystrokes for links on a web page. 
05:28 < JayDugger> I switched to LoL, which works well and quickly.
05:29 < JayDugger> Have you tried it, and if so, how does it compare with Pterodactyl?
05:30 < JayDugger> Sorry--s/Pterodactyl/Pentadactyl/
05:30 < JayDugger> Pentadactyl--https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235854/
05:31 < Utopiah> URL to LoL please
05:32 < JayDugger> LoL--https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8781/
05:33 < Utopiah> so it's Vimperator/Pentadactly/Vimium restricted to opening links with the keyboard?
05:33 < JayDugger> Pentadactyl provides far more, but I only used vimperator for keyboard navigation.
05:33 < JayDugger> Yes.
05:33 < JayDugger> Do you actually write macros for web pages with Pentadactyl?
05:33 < Utopiah> yes
05:33 < JayDugger> Ah.
05:33 < Utopiah> but Im considering making a presentation on that at a local group, if you want Ill ask for your feedback on it
05:34 < JayDugger> I'd like to see the presentation once you finish, but I don't think I've any useful suggestions for it.
05:34 < JayDugger> My needs were more modest. :)
05:36 < Utopiah> (Ill add LoL/HaH to the presenation though, for those who wants to focus on that aspect)
05:41 < pasky> what always turned me down from vimperator was the inability to do multi-level back, very awkward global history / bookmarks access and awkward printing support; of course, it was also very slow, but aside of that, is any of this improved in pentadactyl?
05:42 < Utopiah>  multi-level back?
05:46 < pasky> in normal firefox you have the drop-down menu next to back/forward buttons, that allows you to skip to arbitrary point in the past of the current tab; i use that very often and didn't find equivalent functionality in vimperator
05:51 < Utopiah> well there is a back function so if you map it to a key of your choice then apply a modifier like 3_mappedkey you would go back 3 times in the history of the page, so Im not the right person to ask that to because it's not a common behavior for me but I dont see that as a problem
05:51 < JayDugger> How many keystrokes does it take to reload the third page from the current tab's history?
05:52 < pasky> Utopiah: how does that behave if the previous page was a redirect? won't that trigger loading of all the pages along the path?
05:52 < Utopiah> JayDugger: 2
05:52 < JayDugger> Without pentadactyl, it takes me five, no six, keystrokes to do that.
05:53 < JayDugger> Only 2 makes a pretty good savings, assume about one-third second.
05:53 < Utopiah> and not just time but also focus, the easier it gets the more you focus on the task itself, not meta-actions
05:54 < JayDugger> Also true. I can't tell whether I save any mental focus by using pentadactyl instead of the regular menu navigation keystrokes.
05:55 < Utopiah> well at the beginning it will be awful ;)
05:56 < JayDugger> Doubly so for an emacs user. 
05:57 < JayDugger> I did try KeySnail (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13118/), but again--overkill for me.
05:57 < JayDugger> I just want hit-a-hint.
05:58 < JayDugger> Does pentadactyl allow you to call external editors for test areas, as does "It's All Text?"
05:59 < Utopiah> just like Vimperator you can vim or gvim or... other lesser editors
06:00 < JayDugger> I find that a very helpful tool.
06:00 < JayDugger> Even with "other lesser editors."
06:00 < Utopiah> yes especially when you edit large pages of wikis
06:05 < JayDugger> Will pentadactyl let you switch to tabs based on searching through their title, URL, or page content?
06:05 < JayDugger> I.e.,
06:06 < JayDugger> :switch-to-tab-regex 'foo.org$'
06:06 < JayDugger> and the tab whose URL ends with foo.org pops to the foreground?
06:13 < Utopiah> yes, but for more details oftc/#pentadactyl
06:13 < JayDugger> Got it, thanks.
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12:10 < kanzure> what? http://ompldr.org/vNmFjMg/open-source-hardware.png
12:17 < uniqanomaly_> 'looks something like this'
12:17 < uniqanomaly_> not big fan of open source hardware i guess
12:17 < uniqanomaly_> made this one
12:23 < archels> fascinating contraption
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12:39 < kanzure> opencog talk :P
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14:25 < kanzure> experimental design fail? http://rrresearch.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-associated-bacteria-nasas.html
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14:28 < kanzure> http://scenariosandstrategy.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/wetware/
14:35 < QuantumG> that first one.. that's the reason why they embargo the papers until the press conf
14:37 < QuantumG> at the press conf, they also restrict anyone from asking "technical" questions and encourage them to ask questions that have "non-technical" answers.
15:12 < kanzure> http://lisadonchak.com/2010/12/05/humanity-plus-session-4-business-and-economy-in-the-era-of-radical-technomorphosis/
15:14 < QuantumG> kanzure: have you seen the "body modification" movement?  (aka, freaks)
15:15 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_modification
15:18 < kanzure> yes
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16:56 < kanzure> hi MrClif 
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17:21 < kanzure> gino yu cracks me up
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17:22 < MrClif> Hey Kanzure!
17:23 < MrClif> Yep thought I would check in (lurk) a bit while I watched the stream.
17:32 < kanzure> i'm up next
17:32 < MrClif> I know, I
17:32 < MrClif> ve been waiting all day. ;-)
17:33 < QuantumG> what's the url?
17:34 < QuantumG> http://humanityplus.org/conferences/stream/ ?
17:34 < MrClif> Yep.
17:34 < MrClif> didn't want it to take up my whole day but it was pretty captivateing
17:38 < MrClif> Break a leg! ;-)
17:39 < QuantumG> woo.. kanzure!
17:42 < joshcryer> stickcam you have been banned
17:42 < joshcryer> is it playing yet?
17:42 < joshcryer> I don't see nuthin :(
17:45 < QuantumG> man you suck
17:45 < joshcryer> omfg
17:45 < joshcryer> why is flash streaming broke 
17:45 < joshcryer> I reinstalled it and my browsers and it's still broke
17:46 < QuantumG> hates you.. better hope you have a good stream for the COTS Demo 1 launch
17:46 < joshcryer> I think it's winpcap
17:46 < joshcryer> brb
17:48 < joshcryer> Nope.
17:48  * joshcryer shakes a fist
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17:49 < joshcryer> Is kanzure putting his fist down? Telling everyone that talking and PR and BS is a waste of time?
17:49 < joshcryer> >:P
17:51 < QuantumG> give it time
17:53 < JayDugger> What's with the pink unicorn logo?
17:53 < MrClif> Question time!
17:55 < kanzure> atari
17:56 < kanzure> anywho that was fun
17:57 < QuantumG> well done
17:57 < MrClif> Yeah, do you have a list of URLs for all those projects you flashed over at light speed in your slide show?
17:57 < kanzure> fenn might
17:57 < MrClif> cool
17:57 < JayDugger> Good work, kanzure. Public speaking only looks/easy.
17:58 < QuantumG> your last slide kanzure
17:58 < kanzure> QuantumG: i'm at a futurist conference, i thought an atari unicorn from the future would be appropriate
17:58 < QuantumG> I wasn't aware of that site.. I just subscribed to the mailing list of my local hackerspace.. and so far as I can tell they don't have an actual "space" just yet :)
17:59 < QuantumG> "We are well and truly live, for over a year now! We are now residing at our SECOND space. A space to truly call our own... for a while until we find something better. Woohoo!" <- confusing
17:59 < kanzure> this: http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/retro-futurism/Picture-2.jpg
18:01 < QuantumG> kinda looks like they got a space over a year ago but just haven't updated their "how to join" page.. which seems stupid
18:10 < JayDugger> QuantumG--their out-of-date page makes an opportunity to help them.
18:21 < QuantumG> I'm entering lurk mode
18:21 < QuantumG> on their irc channel/mailing list
18:26 < MrClif> for those who are still watching, wikileaks.org has been taken.
18:26 < QuantumG> meh, it's an off topic question
18:26 < QuantumG> someone cut him off and move on
18:28 < MrClif> perhaps but censorship is a tool for controlling would be free societies.
18:28 < QuantumG> heh, I guess someone heard me
18:28 < MrClif> yep they were censored
18:28 < MrClif> just what you wanted eh?
18:29 < QuantumG> pretty funny considering that panel started with the question "what's this got to do with transhumanism?"
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18:29 < QuantumG> going off-topic is contagious
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18:36 < joshcryer> What was the OT question?
18:37 < QuantumG> about wikileaks taking down sites.. 
18:37 < QuantumG> the speaker happened to mention that he worked for Network Solutions 10 years ago
18:37 < QuantumG> err, wikileaks dns being taken down I mean
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22:23 < joshcryer> QuantumG, sounds perfectly on topic. ;P
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