--- Log opened Fri Dec 10 00:00:08 2010 00:27 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: brb] 00:30 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:42 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47 < Utopiah> ( The Maker Movement, Young Makers, and Why They Matter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6dxSVnkC2c November 2010 ) 01:51 < dbolser> http://www.pdb.org/pdb/motm.do#cat=BiotechnologyandNanotechnology 01:51 < dbolser> Molecule of the Month: Structural View of Biology 01:52 < dbolser> http://www.pdb.org/pdb/static.do?p=education_discussion/molecule_of_the_month/pdb119_1.html 01:52 < dbolser> Designed DNA Crystal 01:53 < dbolser> In addition, the chemistry of DNA synthesis has been completely automated, so custom pieces of DNA can be easily constructed, or even ordered from commercial biotech companies. 01:56 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B281A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- Jappe2 [jappe2@kapsi.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:23 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:36 -!- amaruk [~freeze@p54B281A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #hplusroadmap [] 03:53 -!- niftyzero [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:27 * Utopiah didn't know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_information_management_system#Open_source_software 05:51 < QuantumG> healthworks 06:47 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:48 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:37 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:00 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:01 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 08:52 -!- augur_ is now known as augur 09:31 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:22 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@c-98-234-181-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29 -!- jm|space [~jm@p57B9AF51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:32 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:04 < kanzure> random comic strip http://freefall.purrsia.com/ 11:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:17 < archels> That's now how the Star Trek teleporters are (supposed to) work. 11:19 < archels> cf. e.g. Realm of Fear (TNG) 11:21 < mjr> the reference is lost on me, however, it seems otherwise clear to me that that's how they work, from series context to some trekkie material I read when I was little. Riker-clones, anyone? 11:24 < archels> The *matter* is indeed supposedly disintegrated, but I feel that they almost invariably implied a mind/body duality. 11:25 < mjr> having teleporter clones seems to contradict that, but I shan't claim that ST wouldn't dare contradict itself ;) 11:27 < mjr> (apropos; also I recall they had an ep in tng where some terrorists used some dimension tunneling tech that was detrimental to health but would bypass [some] shields and specifically didn't involve disintegration) 11:29 < kanzure> electropermanent magnets http://www.hizook.com/blog/2010/12/07/electropermanent-magnets-programmable-magnets-zero-static-power-consumption-enable-s 11:30 < kanzure> or a thesis on them: http://www.hizook.com/sites/default/files/users/Travis%20Deyle/Electropermanent_Magnets_Knaian.pdf 11:43 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:52 < archels> kanzure: Those pebbles look pretty well-designed. Now all we need is to miniaturise by some factor of 10-100. ;) 11:58 < klafka> woah 11:58 < klafka> that's pretty badass 12:06 -!- infomorp1 [~infomorph@adsl-99-94-144-206.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:06 < kanzure> jason hope has pledged $500k to SENS foundation http://sens.org/node/1861 12:07 < kanzure> mike kope talking about SENS at that thiel foundation event http://sens.org/node/1858 12:07 < kanzure> SENS/LA meeting later tonight http://www.kurzweilai.net/avatar-meets-rejuvenation-biotech-at-stellar-sens-event-friday-night-in-l-a 12:08 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10 -!- infomorph [~infomorph@adsl-99-63-94-177.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49 -!- dbolser_ [~dmb@bioinformatics.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- dbolser_ [~dmb@bioinformatics.org] has quit [Client Quit] 13:02 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:06 < dbolser> kanzure: you know a rat lives to about 7, but a pidgeon lives to about 35. 13:06 < dbolser> where can I read about the underlying biology of thagt 13:08 < kanzure> if you want just general aging-related research and literature, as well as various theories, aubrey is good for it 13:08 < kanzure> oh fooey.. where did his academic website go 13:09 < kanzure> wow "recorded public appearances" is lengthy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey 13:11 < dbolser> kanzure: no, not age bio per-se, but the scaling relationsip in mammals and birds and its different magnitude 13:12 < kanzure> aubrey used to have a personal site (on some .uk edu) with links to lots of pdfs and research 13:12 < kanzure> dbolser: nothing comes to mind in particular for that 13:12 < dbolser> its kind of weird 13:12 < dbolser> you'd think flying would be an extra metabolic burden 13:13 < dbolser> I'll look 13:14 < dbolser> did you hear this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/mobile/documentaries/2010/10/101027_eatf_kenyon.shtml 13:14 < dbolser> quite basic, but impressive results 13:14 < kanzure> dbolser: that link doesn't say what the name of the documentary is or what's it about 13:15 < dbolser> sorry, don't know why I got the mobile vsn. 13:15 < dbolser> http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2010/10/101027_eatf_kenyon.shtml 13:16 < dbolser> what is the secret of eternal youth? Cynthia Kenyon provies some scientific answers 13:16 < kanzure> speaking of aubrey, i've been reading this today: Genetic Signatures of Exceptional Longevity in Humans 13:17 < kanzure> the actual paper is fairly worthless, but the supplmental tables are juicy 13:17 < kanzure> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2010/06/30/science.1190532.DC1/Sebastiani_SOM.pdf 13:17 < kanzure> especially page 38 with a list of 150 SNPs found to be relatively indicative of long livelihood (i.e., found in ~70% of 1000 sampled centenarians) 13:18 < kanzure> well, not all of them were found in that sample set; there's actually groups of SNPs being reported, and the total from each of the groups adds up to 150 13:18 < kanzure> but anyway, page 38 has the list of SNPs and genes that they correspond to 13:21 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22 < dbolser> kanzure: awesome 13:22 < dbolser> this kind of research is really great 13:22 < dbolser> btw, mike cariaso from snpedia is in #semantic-mediawiki now 13:24 < dbolser> kanzure: I didn't read teh paper yet, were these 1000 of european ancestry or? 13:28 < kanzure> i don't think they were explicitly european, no 13:29 < dbolser> ty 13:29 < dbolser> just searching for some of them on snpedia 13:30 < dbolser> Genetic Signatures of Exceptional Longevity in Humans 13:30 < dbolser> ;-) 13:36 < kanzure> dbolser: pm 13:36 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:00 < dbolser> we just started #snpedia 14:00 < dbolser> if anyone is interested 14:07 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:14 < archels> Using lasers to contain some ultra-chilled atoms, a team of scientists has measured the viscosity or stickiness of a gas often considered to be the sixth state of matter. 14:15 < archels> shit, there are six now? 14:15 < dbolser> I can name five... 14:15 < dbolser> but I suspect the above gas is one of them 14:20 -!- infomorp1 [~infomorph@adsl-99-94-144-206.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30 < archels> chuckle at msword publication 14:32 < archels> I wonder what Richard Dawkins would say about this "grim reaper gene" 14:41 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:54 < dbolser> archels: http://athome.harvard.edu/programs/evd/evd_video/evd_1.html# 14:54 < dbolser> (since you mention Dawkins) 14:57 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:57 < archels> dbolser: yes, I wonder what his view (with his background) would be on the grim reaper gene. 14:59 -!- infomorph [~infomorph@173-161-92-198-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:01 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:02 < dbolser> I think the above lecture by Martin Nowak has more insight than Dawkins on this topic 15:07 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:10 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- infomorph [~infomorph@173-161-92-198-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:48 -!- asdf30 [realname17@silenceisdefeat.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- asdf58 [realname17@silenceisdefeat.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:21 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:23 < Utopiah> http://www.organovo.com/products/novogen-mmx-bioprinter 16:24 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:29 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41 -!- mheld is now known as mheld|wiredin 16:41 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@70-36-134-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:02 < kanzure> organovo ceo dude is talking at sens/la tonight 17:09 -!- infomorph [~infomorph@c-98-212-7-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:47 -!- infomorph [~infomorph@c-98-212-7-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:54 < kanzure> re: mylilcnc on kickstarter http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1905510&cid=34517124 18:56 < kanzure> diy 250W co2 laser cutter http://nilno.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi 19:00 < superkuh> I am working on a 2w TEA CO2 laser right now. 19:00 < superkuh> I just finished the first chang profiled aluminum electrode. 19:01 < superkuh> It'll only be good for inscribing surfaces, if anything, but the total cost will be <$100. 19:05 < kanzure> what kinda actuators are you using? 19:05 -!- mheld|wiredin [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld|wiredin] 19:14 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:15 < superkuh> I am making a laser, quite literally, not the CNC parts. 19:16 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17 < superkuh> So, none. 19:17 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:25 < kanzure> oh i assumed you were (because of the inscribing surfaces bit) 19:25 < superkuh> 'just trying to compare the power levels. 19:28 < superkuh> TEA, as compared to continuous wave, CO2 lasers have tens of nanosecond pulse lengths. That's megawatt peak power. If I were to heat one of my pyroelectric triglycine sulfate crystals under 10^-4 torr vacuum it'd emit a very large pulse of tens of keV electrons. 19:29 < superkuh> With the laser beam, that is. 19:45 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:12 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:31 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:52 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:05 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 22:07 < kanzure> transhuman technologies v1.1 (1995) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/trans_tech.txt 22:08 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:09 < kanzure> cognitive enhancement research institute http://www.ceri.com/ 22:09 < kanzure> haha @ `EEG as "neurointerface of the future"` 22:16 < kanzure> http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~nv89-nun/AlephHandbok.pdf 22:16 < kanzure> an old max more website http://web.archive.org/web/19961224191519/www.primenet.com/~maxmore/ 22:20 < kanzure> hah.. http://web.archive.org/web/19990209090359/www.extropy.org/ideas.htm 22:23 < kanzure> "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things you know nothing about." 22:23 < kanzure> alzheimers? 23:18 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:40 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Dec 11 00:00:07 2010