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01:21 < dbolser> anyone know where genotypeing vs. disease datasets may be archived?
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01:44 < Utopiah> study on neurofeedback http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.neuroimage.2010.12.016 (rt-fMRI)
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04:39 < kanzure> heh got a "how do i build muscle?" email from msimons@slackware.com to transhumanism.org
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04:52 < kanzure> via splicer: "FYI, the US presidential bioethics commission just released its report on synthetic biology"
04:52 < kanzure> http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-Report-12-16-10.pdf
04:52 < kanzure> http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-Report-Press-Release-12.16.10.pdf
04:52 < kanzure> http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-FAQ.pdf
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06:02 < JayDugger>  Good morning, everyone.
06:02 < kanzure> hi
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07:02 < kanzure> hi dyngnosis 
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07:44 < kanzure> "synthetic biology does not need regulation now, panel says" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/science/16synthetic.html
07:46 < kanzure> haha what? "In a letter to the commission and federal agencies -- signed by 58 organizations in 22 countries --  a coalition led by Friends of the Earth today renewed its call for a moratorium on synthetic biology experiments. "The Commission's recommendations fall short of what is necessary to protect the environment, workers' health, public health, and the public's right to know," the coalition said. "The time for precaution and the 
07:46 < kanzure> http://foe.org/groups-criticize-presidential-commissions-recommendations-synthetic-biology
07:46 < kanzure> i like how foe.org is "friends of earth".. you dirty foes
07:47 < kanzure> aw also etcgroup.org? they even talked at the commission..
07:47 < Utopiah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe
07:48 < kanzure> http://www.foe.org/sites/default/files/Letter_to_Commission_Synthetic_Biology.pdf
07:49 < kanzure> lol the letter carbon copies Steve Chu and several other names 
07:50 < kanzure> "the precautionary principle should guide synthetic biology regulation" haha
07:50 < kanzure> is this a joke
07:53 < klafka> people have such a frankenstein comple
07:53 < klafka> x
07:55 < uniqanomaly_> rather are retarded
07:56 < kanzure> max more needs to rise from the grave and whack them over the head with the proactionary principle cluestick
07:56 < kanzure> it's not entirely without unprecedent
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07:56 < kanzure> *unprecedence
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08:07 < kanzure> ah here it is in nature news http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101216/full/news.2010.680.html
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08:09 < JayDugger> Max More as King Arthur, returning from Austin (Avalon) in the realm's time of greatest need?
08:15 < uniqanomaly_> '58 environmental, public interest, and >>>religious<<< groups'   expressing any opinions unrelated to faith by relegious groups should be plain illegal ;>
08:16 < uniqanomaly_> oh sorry, freedom of speech
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08:55 < kanzure> synthetic biology needs over-sight not over-regulation http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101216/full/news.2010.680.html
08:56 < kanzure> also more copies of that are on ny times, kurzweilai, wsj, sciam, etc: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
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09:10 < kanzure> hi genehacker 
09:14 < kanzure> i have no idea what lee is up to here.. http://nanoengineers.blogspot.com/ lots of spam?
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09:32 < kanzure> pg 136 of the report cites max more :) 
09:32 < kanzure> well, it quotes text from max more, but cites something else entirely
09:33 < kanzure> it cites http://www.synbioproject.org/process/assets/files/6334/synbio3.pdf
09:33 < kanzure> synbio3.pdf cites max more.. but doesn't say "proactionary" directly, so i dunno how they found that quote in there
09:34 < genehacker> what's this metal spray thing all about?
09:34 < kanzure> genehacker: http://www.metalspraysupplies.com/about/what-is-metal-spraying.htm
09:34 < kanzure> http://www.metalspraysupplies.com/applications.htm
09:34 < genehacker> other than the guy spraying metal on his hand
09:34 < kanzure> QuantumG wants to metal spray on top of 3d printed parts for thin-walled metal components
09:35 < genehacker> that's cool
09:35 < genehacker> just what I thought
09:36 < genehacker> has he talked to #reprap about it
09:37 < genehacker> or heck just make circuits with it
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09:45 < genehacker> what sort of thin walled components?
09:46 < genehacker> rocket nozzles?
09:49 < kanzure> QuantumG: are you around
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12:04 < kanzure> "I will be able to offer you a copy of "The Future of Aging" for $180 plus the actual cost of shipping to you.  That's $43 less than Amazon's 20% discount, which is the best price out there now ($223). Do you want a copy at this price?"
12:04 < kanzure> greg fahy's offer isn't too cheap :/
12:10 < uniqanomaly__> viva la scarcity
12:11 < klafka1> jesus
12:13 < uniqanomaly__> i mean in pre-singularity terms
12:14  * Utopiah still doesnt believe in post-scarcity
12:15 < kanzure> i think it should be renamed to post-currencies/post-moneyism
12:15 < kanzure> or "money optionalism"
12:15 < kanzure> "post-currency" just sounds weird :)
12:23 < uniqanomaly__> Utopiah: you don't believe in artificial intelligence beneficent for all?
12:24 < kanzure> Learning from hackerspaces, Opening up the maker community at November's DIY: Citizenship symposium in Toronto. Greg Smith reports. http://www.currentintelligence.net/columns/2010/12/14/learning-from-hackerspaces.html
12:26 < Utopiah> uniqanomaly__: I believe that above "artificial intelligence beneficent for all" there is energy allocation and that post-scarcity means more energy that can be spend which seems impossible in a competitive environment 
12:28 < uniqanomaly__> yeah
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12:42 < kanzure> hmm http://www.moreofit.com/similar-to/heybryan.org/Top_10_Sites_Like_Heybryan/
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13:37 < kanzure> hi Tyrant91101 
13:37 < Tyrant91101> hey bryan
13:38 < kanzure> quite the username..
13:38 < Tyrant91101> heh how so?
13:39 < kanzure> so what brings you here?
13:39 < Tyrant91101> im the one you gave the hplus ticket
13:39 < Tyrant91101> from Socal diybio
13:39 < Tyrant91101> i just saw this channel on your site
13:39 < kanzure> alex?
13:39 < Tyrant91101> added it to my auto irc thingy
13:39 < Tyrant91101> yeah
13:39 < kanzure> hi alex
13:40 < kanzure> sorry i haven't replied to your email yet
13:40 < kanzure> but i did hear about your business model from the grapevine
13:40 < kanzure> "open source except for one vital component"
13:40 < Tyrant91101> heh no problem, I haven't checked it yet
13:40 < Tyrant91101> Ok that's troubling
13:40 < Tyrant91101> lol
13:40 < Tyrant91101> well troubling and good at hte same time
13:41 < Tyrant91101> but my business model is far more detailed than that at this point
13:41 < kanzure> what i didn't hear was why you think it's a good idea
13:41 < kanzure> okay yeah
13:41 < kanzure> it's not a good idea
13:41 < kanzure> although i didn't really hear anything except something about mass spec
13:41 < kanzure> is that what this is?
13:41 < Tyrant91101> yes
13:42 < Tyrant91101> why dont you think its a good idea?
13:42 < kanzure> because if you're going to be proprietary/closed source, go all the way..
13:42 < Tyrant91101> That won't work
13:43 < Tyrant91101> It's much easier to get into the market pattenting something like a magnetic bearing or an electrode design
13:43 < kanzure> why do you need a patent again?
13:43 < Tyrant91101> by going closed source on the mass spec I will have to directly compete with the bigger companies
13:43 < Tyrant91101> to make it financially viable
13:43 < kanzure> but if you're "open but actually close" then you're just pissing off your users, no?
13:44 < Tyrant91101> not necessarily
13:44 < Tyrant91101> say  Ibuild a turbomolecular pump (my first step)
13:44 < Tyrant91101> I can make the magnetic bearings patented
13:44 < Tyrant91101> while making the entire design for the turbomolecular pump totally open
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13:44 < Tyrant91101> all the software, everything
13:44 < Tyrant91101> EXCEPT for that one bearing
13:44 < kanzure> well; there are some options that you should be aware of like the open patent license, and other things like that
13:45 < kanzure> but i don't really see how a patent means you will have financial success
13:45 < Tyrant91101> It's more likely to help
13:45 < genehacker> hey speaking of turbomolecular pump magnetic bearing motors, what could I do with one instead of making a turbomolecular pump?
13:45 < Tyrant91101> i'm not makign the motor, just the bearings
13:45 < kanzure> Tyrant91101: http://sciencecommons.org/projects/patent-licenses/
13:46 < Tyrant91101> but they're used almost anywhere you need very high speeds and high loads
13:46 < Tyrant91101> kanzure, I'll take a look, thank you
13:46 < genehacker> well I have the motor, the bearings, and a broken turbine
13:46 < Tyrant91101> The bearings usually have to be tested and callibrated for each specific application
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14:30 < Tyrant91101> back
14:31 < Utopiah> Emerging Technologies and Factory Automation http://www.etfa-2011.org/
14:42 < Tyrant91101> kanzure, what are other alternatives do you think there are to flat out patenting small portions of the project such as the bearings?
14:48 < kanzure> Tyrant91101: selling hardware
14:48 < kanzure> also the services/consulting model
14:49 < Tyrant91101> selling hardware is already part of the plan
14:50 < Tyrant91101> as for services/consulting, one of the biggest targets is those areas who cant afford consulting fees on top of the actual aparatus
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15:42 < delinquentme> hey kanzure you around man?
15:42 < kanzure> no
15:52 < delinquentme> haha awesome!
15:53 < delinquentme> SO your thoughts... on bringing up the want to extend human life when im talking to researchers
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15:59 < kanzure> delinquentme: what?
15:59 < kanzure> i have no idea what you just said
16:00 < delinquentme> im looking for your thoughts on the advantages / disadvantages of mentioning that im interested in human life extension
16:00 < delinquentme> as an outcome of this research
16:00 < delinquentme> project
16:01 < kanzure> maybe briefly mention it and cite some paper on life extension by aubrey or one of the biogerontologists
16:02 < delinquentme> so you dont think it would "ruin my street cred" to say HEY im nuts enough to want something thats a bit further out than you guys
16:08 < kanzure> if you properly cite it, you're good
16:08 < delinquentme> interesting..
16:08 < delinquentme> thanks!
16:08 < delinquentme> im headed back to my hosue .. see u kids in a bit!
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16:18 < kanzure> DIY Biotech Hacker Space Opens in NYC http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/12/genspace-diy-science-laboratory/
16:18 < kanzure> http://genspace.org/
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17:02 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
17:02 < kanzure> hi
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17:28 < kanzure> updated: http://bit.ly/diybionews
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18:19 < kanzure> what's with google's reading level thing
18:19 < kanzure> arxiv.org Advanced 99%
18:22 < fenn> it's over 9000!
18:22 < kanzure> enn!
18:22 < kanzure> fenn! even
18:23 < fenn> hi. i've been boring and doing worky stuff too much
18:23 < kanzure> do you need a dose of reality
18:25 < kanzure> are you now on gmail or what
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18:35 < fenn> gmail is in my return address because sdf doesn't let me send via imap
18:36 < fenn> i need some chunks of metal
18:36 < fenn> spent hours looking around online for scrapyards near/in SF
18:38 < genehacker> chunks of metal for gingery stuff?
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18:52 < fenn> i still don't really get how techshop manages to completely fail... even noisebridge seems to be doing fine and they don't even have any sort of way to make money or even really any technical prowess with which to lure in nerds 
18:52  * fenn is reading http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=39555&page=6
18:53 < kanzure> well i bet noisebridge isn't paying a bunch of executives and CEOs
18:53 < fenn> techshop sf has been 'about to open' right down the street for the last 6 months
18:54 < fenn> i wonder how many people they're going to piss off this time around
18:56 < kanzure> did you ever put up the aubrey/hope image on langton's walls?
18:56 < fenn> no
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19:10 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
19:10 < kanzure> night
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19:15 < kanzure> fenn: for your backlog http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/freitas_process.txt
19:15 < kanzure> and http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer but i can't remember if i've spammed you with this yet
19:19 < QuantumG> kanzure: on the freitas_process.txt can you add a Process section and put when parts were achieved?
19:19 < kanzure> "when parts were achieved"?
19:19 < QuantumG> when any of the steps you said
19:20 < kanzure> guh that's a little hard for me to figure out
19:20 < kanzure> freitas does list certain experiments that have been completed
19:20 < QuantumG> thus why I want you to fucking do it :)
19:20 < kanzure> and certain theoretical studies and so on
19:20 < kanzure> but i don't know the mapping to this hierarchy
19:20 < kanzure> hm.
19:29 < delinquentme> MUAhahah
19:29 < delinquentme> AWESOME NEWS
19:29 < delinquentme> I've found god!
19:29 < delinquentme> hes is playing a show tomorrow
19:29 < delinquentme> in pittsburgh :D
19:30 < delinquentme> AND i will witness the second coming ^_^
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21:18 < kanzure> welp i killed fenn again
21:18 < kanzure> genspace announcement http://www.genspace.org/blog/?p=32
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22:01 < Utopiah> http://www.ngrams.googlelabs.com
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