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02:54 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
03:00 < Utopiah> kanzure: do you know if etacts will release their code?
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03:25 < delinquentme> MOOOning
03:25 < delinquentme> JayDugger, word to you!
03:26 < JayDugger> Eh?
03:26 < JayDugger> What's that?
03:26 < JayDugger> You kids and your new-fangled slang...
03:27 < JayDugger> I finally dropped thee and thou from my vocabulary, and know I have all this to learn?
03:27 < JayDugger> Sigh...
03:27 < JayDugger> Utopiah, kanzure mentioned Salesforce bought etacts.
03:28 < JayDugger> If so, the code will probably never appear.
03:28 < JayDugger> Building a delicious clone with a work-alike API would probably serve more people, given Yahoo's rumors about closing delicious.
03:31 < Utopiah> JayDugger: thanks, didn't follow up the whole story, I admit I didn't believe the code magically being released in GPL or sth but... still had hope :-#
03:32 < JayDugger> How hard would it be to build an extension for FF to recreate these three things about etacts?
03:32 < JayDugger> Not a rhetorical question--I don't know.
03:32 < JayDugger> First, specify for each contact a "last contacted date" and a period within which to contact him.
03:33 < JayDugger> Second, create boilerplate for groups of contacts and hook it into composing mail.
03:34 < JayDugger> Third, support GMail and a web interface for other mail clients.
03:34 < JayDugger> Did I miss anything that etacts did?
03:34 < Utopiah> fetching other info from profiles like pics
03:54 < Utopiah> http://www.intechweb.org/books/show/title/factory-automation
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04:22 < kanzure> oh look the comment fairy came http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2036575
04:29 < JayDugger> Knouting the mortified equine?
04:33 < delinquentme> Immm freakkkin ouuutt tmannnn!!!
04:33 < delinquentme> i just found out about an awesome DIY bio lab .. but one thats legitimate
04:34 < kanzure> genspace? biocurious? socal-diybio? /tmp/lab? biologigaragen? bosslab? london hackspace?
04:35 < delinquentme> kanzure, whos the dude who sold the thermocycler who you dont like?
04:36 < kanzure> delinquentme: if it's genspace, they've been in the news a lot recently.. if you want to read up: http://bit.ly/diybionews
04:36 < kanzure> tito jankowski
04:36 < kanzure> http://openpcr.org/
04:36 < delinquentme> nah one of the dudes names were guido
04:36 < kanzure> better link with actual fucking files: http://abundancestudies.org/openpcr/
04:36 < kanzure> oh, that's lava amp
04:37 < kanzure> http://lavaamp.wordpress.com/
04:37 < kanzure> http://pimm.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/lavaamp-cheapest-pocket-pcr-thermocycler-dreamed-for-diy-biologists/
04:37 < delinquentme> yeahh though who was the other guy
04:37 < kanzure> they were basing their work off of http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/114229381/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
04:37 < kanzure> joseph jackson
04:38 < kanzure> there's also a number of others involved: rob carlson, and that stem cell / immune system guy that i can't remember at the moment
04:39 < delinquentme> rob carlson yeahhhh
04:39 < kanzure> http://synthesis.cc/
04:39 < delinquentme> so hes got this posting about a legitimate LAB in someones garage he posted about .. and now im seeing pictures OF THAT LAB
04:39 < kanzure> he's a douche.
04:39 < kanzure> oh, that's livly.org
04:39 < kanzure> http://livly.org/
04:39 < kanzure> unfortunately they have gone corporate
04:39 < kanzure> after peter thiel dumped money into them
04:40 < delinquentme> what are they researching?
04:40 < kanzure> it was john schloendorn working with the magically-immune-to-cancer mice i think
04:40 < delinquentme> yeahhh schloendorn !
04:41 < delinquentme> thoughts on him?
04:42 < kanzure> more on this: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-22.log
04:42 < kanzure> more juice: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-19.log
04:44 < kanzure> i'm going back to sleep.
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06:01 < epitron> hey kanzure
06:01 < epitron> wouldn't now be a good time to drop the "roadmap" from the channel name? :)
06:01 < epitron> seeing as everybody now has to join a new channel
06:01 < epitron> and you've got a redirect
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06:06 < joshcryer> I like #h+
06:06 < joshcryer> Unregistered too.
06:06 < joshcryer> Also, kinda elite...
06:08 < archels> Let
06:08 < archels> Let's redirect the redirect!
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06:22 < epitron> joshcryer: oh you can do that?! :D
06:23 < epitron> so it could've been #h+roadmap the whole time as well?
06:23 < epitron> man!
06:23 < epitron> get #h+!
06:26 < archels> Shouldn't that be ##h+ though?
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06:29 < kanzure> it's so cute when you guys troll each other
06:33 < uniqanomaly_> http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-to-create-a-startup-country
06:34 < kanzure> uniqanomaly_: http://seasteading.org/
06:40 < epitron> archels: exactly
06:40 < epitron> kanzure: who's trolling whom?
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06:57 < archels> epitron: I think he means `no'.
07:00 < epitron> so it'll be ##humanityplusplanforthefutureofhumanityroadmap forever
07:00 < joshcryer> oh well I'll give founder to kanzure if he ever wants it
07:06 < uniqanomaly_> kanzure: yeah i know its seastanding :P
07:07 < epitron> -n
07:07 < epitron> +e
07:08 < kanzure> :( "plan for the future of humanity", look i didn't tell them to name themselves "humanity+
07:08 < kanzure> "
07:08 < kanzure> that's their own bad idea
07:09 < kanzure> "we're in the business of personalized enhancement.. oh i know! let's say we're impersonal!"
07:09 < epitron> that's not what i was criticizing and you know it :)
07:09 < epitron> i'm criticizing your ridiculously verbose channel name
07:10 < kanzure> i need food. suggestions?
07:11 < epitron> #h+
07:11 < kanzure> that's not food :(
07:11 < epitron> uniqanomaly_: the legacy legal system is such a problem
07:12 < epitron> uniqanomaly_: if you printed all the case law, it would be something like 3 cubic miles of paper
07:12 < epitron> and yet "ignorance of the law is no excuse"
07:12 < epitron> :)
07:12 < epitron> you might like this -- http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/09/kling_on_knowle.html
07:12 < epitron> it's about how the US government hasn't scaled over the last 200 years
07:13 < epitron> and how, if you were to restructure it based on the original design, there would be ~ 250 states
07:13 < uniqanomaly_> yeah, and law is so f*****g arbitrary
07:13 < epitron> currently, the power of each political is enormous
07:13 < epitron> +seat
07:13 < epitron> +position
07:13 < JayDugger> kanzure: I eat a lot of spirulina and chlorella.
07:13 < epitron> whatever
07:14 < JayDugger> In fact, they account for most of protein intake.
07:14 < epitron> "in the county where we live, Montgomery County, MD, where we have 9 county council members allocating a budget of $4.5 billion"
07:15 < JayDugger> On the other hand, before I gave up sugar, my favorite breakfast was pumpkin pie and black coffeee.
07:15 < epitron> "Very few people who could spend $500 million apiece a year consistently, and nobody's heard of these people"
07:15 < uniqanomaly_> haha
07:15 < JayDugger> So I suggest microalgae or dessert.
07:15 < epitron> "Incredible amount of power, very little checks and balances."
07:15 < uniqanomaly_> nice one
07:15 < uniqanomaly_> sooo true
07:16 < uniqanomaly_> http://neil.fraser.name/news/2010/12/23/
07:16 < uniqanomaly_> police power abuse
07:16 < uniqanomaly_> same thing
07:16 < epitron> the US' design was great... it just didn't scale :)
07:16 < uniqanomaly_> who will do anything to them? they have power of throwing you in jail
07:16 < uniqanomaly_> it's how they say it is
07:16 < epitron> haha
07:17 < kanzure> maybe this guy? http://web.archive.org/web/20080616222023/http://rationreality.com/2007/07/09/real-life-superheroes-the-other-side/
07:17 < epitron> i feel like being a police officer is like playing a video game like Mafia... where you're supposed to obey the law, but you just get SO BORED, and eventually start running people over
07:18 < JayDugger> Ever known any cops IRL and first-hand, epitron?
07:18 < epitron> nope
07:18 < epitron> i know cops aren't all corrupt asshoesl
07:18 < kanzure> this conversation is boring
07:18 < JayDugger> Yup.
07:19 < uniqanomaly_> oh, I know, we need more Dexters
07:19 < epitron> well, i figured it would evolve into brainstorming political structures
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07:19 < uniqanomaly_> that would solve everything
07:19 < uniqanomaly_> lol
07:19 < epitron> see?
07:19 < epitron> more dexters! that's an innovative idea!
07:19 < uniqanomaly_> :D
07:19 < uniqanomaly_> epitron: dexter like serial killer killing bad people lol
07:19 < epitron> "this conversation is boring" is such an undiplomatic statement
07:20 < epitron> some famous guy said something like, "the best political system is democracy tempered by assassination"
07:20 < uniqanomaly_> ;)
07:20 < epitron> kanzure: you may find politics boring, but if you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you
07:21 < kanzure> your implementation and strategy sucks, you're boring
07:21 < kanzure> talk about something you're better at
07:21 < epitron> o_O
07:21 < epitron> what implementation?
07:21 < uniqanomaly_> epitron: just show off how many bad people you killed
07:21 < uniqanomaly_> lol
07:22 < epitron> >_>
07:22 < epitron> <_<
07:22 < epitron> >_>
07:22 < uniqanomaly_> haha
07:22 < uniqanomaly_> :P
07:22 < epitron> this channel is secure right?
07:22 < uniqanomaly_> not really
07:22 < kanzure> check the /topic for logs
07:22 < epitron> yeah i was joking
07:23 < epitron> irc is the least secure thing ever
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> oh yeah lol
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> logs
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> we'll be all over the internet
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> ;f
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> just great
07:24 < epitron> so kanzure, which political thinkers don't bore you
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> Obama
07:24 < uniqanomaly_> LOL
07:24 < epitron> Osama
07:25 < kanzure> i love how humanity+ keeps me out of the loop on these things
07:25 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/tsnhplus
07:27 < kanzure> in general i very much support the idea that patri promotes for experimental governance
07:27 < uniqanomaly_> yeah its great idea
07:28 < epitron> who's patri
07:28 < kanzure> (i don't particularly care for the seasteading institute's strategy so far, though.. seems to be "get lots of money and do nothing, oh hold a competition once in a while to make other people do work for us")
07:28 < uniqanomaly_> experiments extorts progress
07:28 < uniqanomaly_> extort
07:29 < uniqanomaly_> i was thinking about corporation in place of gov
07:30 < epitron> is patri some seasteading guy?
07:30 < uniqanomaly_> total meritocracy
07:30 < uniqanomaly_> was also thinking*
07:30 < uniqanomaly_> democracy is overrated anyway
07:30 < kanzure> epitron: patri friedman
07:31 < uniqanomaly_> 2 idiots have more votes than 1 thinking man
07:31 < uniqanomaly_> its insane
07:31 < kanzure> heir of milton friedman
07:32 < epitron> "He advocates rapid, incremental progress towards increasing human freedom by creating new countries that can experiment with alternative social structures."
07:32 < kanzure> yes
07:32 < epitron> that sounds like an expanded version of what the original design of the US was
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07:32 < epitron> well, more granular
07:32 < kanzure> epitron: i want debian-for-hardware and debian-for-your-own-damn-seaplatform
07:32 < kanzure> in this case he is proposing seasteading because you can't really get land for this sort of thing
07:33 < kanzure> so you can imagine where patri and i have intersected before
07:33 < epitron> what if the US were to collapse into a Snow Crash like anarchy? :)
07:33 < kanzure> it was fun following him after one of his talks at hplus summit 2009 :p
07:33 < kanzure> what about it?
07:33 < epitron> then you could get land
07:33 < epitron> burbclaves
07:34 < epitron> in ecosystems, new lifeforms systems after big collapses
07:34 < epitron> +evolve
07:34 < epitron> man, i'm still pissed off about that "you suck at thinking about politics" comment
07:35 < epitron> you're a dick kanzure
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07:58 < JayDugger> For last minute Newtonmas shopping, 23andMe still has its $159 sale until tomorrow.
08:02 < kanzure> epitron: i'm also an ass
08:02 < kanzure> alcor's new CEO is max more http://www.alcor.org/blog/?p=1473
08:08 < uniqanomaly_> great example of basic law retardation, cryogenics facilities have to apply for cemetery status or sth like that right?
08:09 < JayDugger> That might vary by state.
08:09 < uniqanomaly_> and that is just retarded
08:09 < JayDugger> excuse me, jurisdiction.
08:09 < uniqanomaly_> yeah it does for sure
08:09 < JayDugger> IIRC Alcor treats remains as medical donations.
08:11 < JayDugger> Storage facilities, I don't know. Try alcor.org
08:11 < kanzure> diygenomics makes another appearance http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v468/n7327_supp/full/468S21a.html
08:12 < kanzure> (this time the context is nutrigenomics)
08:14 < uniqanomaly_> “Here we are in the twenty-first century and we don't have a definition of health other than 'the absence of disease',” says Siân Astley, a nutrition researcher at the Institute of Food Research, UK. “Health is about much more.”
08:14 < uniqanomaly_> great
08:17 < archels> That sounds unlikely. Maybe he should actually review the literature.
08:19 < uniqanomaly_> archels: guy changes definition of 'health'
08:24 < kanzure> documentary film about church's personal genome project http://thepersonalgenome.com/
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08:31 < kanzure> i think if patri was more serious he'd figure out how to support marcin or otherwise involve him somehow
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08:39 < kanzure> http://www.kurzweilai.net/alcor-life-extension-foundation-names-max-more-phd-as-chief-executive-officer
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12:09 < uniqanomaly_> http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nativity1hq.jpg
12:10 < uniqanomaly_> his majesty is born
12:10 < uniqanomaly_> haha
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14:34 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421256045/diy-desktop-cnc-machine
14:34 < kanzure> got funded :/
14:34 < kanzure> they asked for $15k and got $33k
14:34 < kanzure> 21 backers at $500+
14:36 < kanzure> "chem lab equivalent of a hackerspace?" http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=45944&sid=8cd9aa03195b0b2d3defb6ff84ba4c60
15:18 < delinquentme> im erady to marry the blonde baddy chick from TRON
15:18 < delinquentme> true story.
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16:09 < ybit> kanzure: link to papers?
16:09 < ybit> my hdd is dead is temporarliy
16:09 < ybit> temporarily*
16:13 < kanzure> http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/
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20:54 < g4k> man
20:54 < g4k> genspace makes me jealous
20:55 < g4k> i love our little storage unit hackerspace
20:55 < g4k> but it's no where near as organized or purposeful
21:12 < kanzure> have you checked out bosslab?
21:12 < kanzure> http://www.flickr.com/photos/macowell/4821488307/
21:13 < kanzure> "oh noes! a corner in a lab somewhere" but whatever
21:35 < g4k> nice
21:36 < kanzure> g4k: did you see the biocurious video?
21:36 < kanzure> there's one up on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1040581998/biocurious-a-hackerspace-for-biotech-the-community
21:36 < kanzure> i forget the vimeo url
21:36  * kanzure sleeps
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