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04:44 < joshcryer> MoNETA video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PVtbexpMfM
04:44 < joshcryer> (Memristor brains)
04:47 < joshcryer> Longer video (my bad on that, that is an intro): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R_D4oRkZSk
04:47 < joshcryer> 10 freaking views.
04:47 < joshcryer> Ridiculous. :P
04:49 < joshcryer> let's try this again
04:49 < joshcryer> p1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg35__b-FGI
04:50 < joshcryer> p2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAAXrJ3d18M
04:50 < joshcryer> p3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R_D4oRkZSk
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05:52 < fenn> olaf sporns, one of the guys behind the human connectome project, played a big part in the IU robotics club for a while while i was there
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06:10 < fenn> looks like use of the phrase "open source" jumps up sharply in 1995, a year before OSI http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=open+source,free+software&year_start=1950&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3
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08:06 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
08:11 < Noahj> Good morning
08:15 < kanzure> happy birthday JayDugger
08:16 < JayDugger> You're fourteen hours premature, unless you're in Tokyo, but thank you very much.
08:16 < JayDugger> skdb make -me -a time-machine
08:16 < JayDugger> Nope, still returns an error code.
08:16 < JayDugger> oh, duh.
08:16 < JayDugger> sudo !!
08:16 < kanzure> i'll keep that in mind as a potential present in the future
08:17 < JayDugger> Nope.
08:17 < kanzure> then, i'll time travel backwards and give it to you, in the past
08:17 < JayDugger> Still returns nothing.
08:17 < JayDugger> :)
08:17 < Utopiah> time-machine dependency fail, perpetual-motion machine required
08:17 < kanzure> nah you just need a warp field or a solar flare
08:18 < JayDugger> Or you could use the Van Allen belts as medium-term data storage, but that really only works one-way.
08:19 < JayDugger> Darn unobtainum dependencies.
08:24 < joshcryer> I see why it failed JayDugger, neither -me or -a are make commands.
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09:55 < archels> and what a great day 29-12 is to be born on!
09:55 < g4k> wish i was born on 12-29.
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10:25 < Lukas__> Hull there
10:25 < kanzure> hi
10:25 < Lukas__> Hullo*
10:28 < Lukas__> How are things going with the fab lab?
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10:56 < kanzure> g4k: are you tetsu yatsu?
11:07 < g4k> yes
11:07 < g4k> im only g4k here to make fun of my friend g3k
11:15 < kanzure> cryonics magazine will no longer be printed
11:15 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/CryonicsMagazine/index.html
11:15 < kanzure> but future issues will be available via the web
11:17 < kanzure> alcor members' holiday party is jan 2 from 4-8pm in newport beach, california
11:18 < kanzure> rsvp / ask for deets via Kat Cotter <katcotter@gmail.com> or by phone at 310-528-6712
11:19 < g4k> aw, thats so sad
11:19 < g4k> people are that afraid of dying?
11:19 < kanzure> what the hell does fear have to do with it?
11:19 < g4k> isnt that what cryopreservation is about
11:19 < g4k> keeping your body frozen until someone can revive you
11:25 < kanzure> again i don't see how that definition involve the word/concept 'fear'
11:25 < kanzure> *involves
11:27 < g4k> if people are preparing to live past 100, but dont intend to change the age they have children at to be over 50, then they are doomed to be supporting the population problem they're trying to escape
11:30 < g4k> i'll quit trolling, but i just find it ridiculous that people would preoccupy themselves with preserving their lives so much instead of having fun doing things with their life
11:32 < kanzure> maybe you're just angry that you're not enjoying your life as it is.
11:32 < g4k> lol
11:35 < archels> cf. The Denial of Death, Ernest Becker...
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12:01 < kanzure> does anyone know what's going on here?
12:01 < kanzure> http://wiwe.iknowfutures.eu/bank/wild-card/view/space-colonisation-1/
12:16 < kanzure> real life superhoes camp at burning man 2011 http://www.therlsh.net/t5677-an-rlsh-camp-at-burning-man-2011-temporary-rlsh-s-for-a-temporary-city
12:19 < kanzure> *superheroes
12:19 < kanzure> :( big difference
12:28 < kanzure> playing with the future and google ngrams http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/12/23/searching-for-the-future/
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12:33 < kanzure> jacob got funding for his magazine.. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/citizenscience/the-citizen-science-quarterly/
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12:48 < itdnhr> kanzure: met a few people from ATX at The Hive(Cinci's space) last night.
13:01 < kanzure> yeah?
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16:01 < joshcryer> g4k, quite the opposite, people who intend to be cryopreserved are in fact not afraid of death.
16:01 < kanzure> they simply wield it to their advantage :P
16:01 < kanzure> possible advantage
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16:03 < joshcryer> I'm going to be cryopreserved in the event I die unexpectedly, I intend to cryopreserve my mom, too. She doesn't mind.
16:03 < kanzure> note it's for before you die..
16:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: for my post-update image rendering, why did you recommend i do some sort of ikiwiki-specific tie-in?
16:09 < kanzure> for a place to put the files? or was it some other reason
16:15 < uniqanomaly__> http://discovermagazine.com/2010/the-brain-2/27-metal-marvel-mended-brains-50-years-lithium/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
16:15 < uniqanomaly__> "Lithium—a simple metal and the oldest drug in psychiatry—might protect the brain against mental illness, Alzheimer’s, and other diseases. One problem: There’s no profit in it."
16:22 < joshcryer> kanzure, no one has been cryopreserved before they died, and it'd be illegal anyway. :P
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16:26 < jrayhawk> Ikiwiki is an intelligent harness for keeping rendered content up to date with an underlying repository.
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16:29 < kanzure> jrayhawk: huh? so are you suggesting something other than me writing a specific post-update hook?
16:30 < jrayhawk> If you're going to be backing repositories with Ikiwiki anyway; I don't know if you are.
16:31 < jrayhawk> Writing an Ikiwiki plugin gets you hg/svn/bzr and repository-less compatibility, too
16:31 < kanzure> compatability is a good reason, yes
16:32 < kanzure> if it's not obvious i haven't written an ikiwiki plugin or futzed with them before
16:32 < kanzure> or if i have, i've repressed those memories
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16:32 < kanzure> hi Tarvis
16:32 < Tarvis> Hello
16:32 < Lukas_> This is a friend of mine
16:32 < jrayhawk> You can pretty easily just modify existing plugins like teximg or graphviz
16:34 < jrayhawk> actually committing the result back to the repository or making an inlinable underlay page to go with it should probably wait until Joey merges smcv's 'transient' plugin, which looks like it'll happen in the next few days.
16:34 < kanzure> yeah i dunno about committing the result back into the repo
16:34 < kanzure> /var/cache/images/ might be an ok place to throw stuff
16:34 < jrayhawk> Making an inlinable underlay page is nice, though.
16:35 < kanzure> what is an inlinable underlay page
16:35 < jrayhawk> underlays are content that you want ikiwiki to render that aren't part of the actual repository
16:36 < jrayhawk> inlines are directives for ikiwiki to stick the content of one page into the rendering of another page
16:37 < jrayhawk> So, like, if you were to make a plugin to render pov files, you could also make an inlinable underlay page for each pov file you render
16:37 < jrayhawk> and then to make a gallery of them you just inline a_directory/renderedpov* or whatever
16:37 < kanzure> huh? when ikiwiki compiles a .mdwn page it sees a [[include] or {{include}} syntax thing and then includes the path designated from /var/cache/something?
16:38 < jrayhawk> The path has to be local to the Ikiwiki working directory, though it works with underlays that are being applied.
16:39 < jrayhawk> You can see an example inline for the 'issues' list on piny-code.git
16:39 < kanzure> i forget the name of the plugin or thing that was merged into ikiwiki for fixing index rendering into whatever nonsense template i want
16:40 < kanzure> but yeah, it'd definitely have to be something like an inline underlay inside of that template for the repo indices
16:40 < jrayhawk> Yeah, that's what the transient plugin hopes to make awesome
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17:57 < joshcryer> So a memristor is fundamentally a state machine.
17:58 < joshcryer> Idea: a memristor / transistor hybrid chip arguably makes making a state machine compiler much easier and much more efficient.
18:03 < joshcryer> Instead of having a generalized table with which data is translated, you'd just train the memristor to maintain state while translating. Basically no need to have emulation, the thing would be a real time recompiler that gets faster the longer it runs.
18:04 < joshcryer> Then you can just throw out the whole idea of computer architecture since your digital side of things is being done with synapse computing.
18:04 < joshcryer> I'm probably not making sense, it's just something I was thinking about, since I dabbled with my own Scheme compiler at one point and I have been getting back into the whole Lisp paradigm of data and code are the same.
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19:08 < kanzure> "indefinite life extension guide" http://www.imminst.org/forum/blog/15/entry-384-your-guide-to-mile-the-movement-for-indefinite-life-extension/
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20:35 < genehacker> tim you here?
20:36 < genehacker> timschmidt?
20:37 < genehacker> guess not
20:38 < kanzure> nah give him a sec
20:38  * timschmidt pops head up
20:38  * timschmidt was just experimenting with the new gtk port of repsnapper
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20:39 < timschmidt> genehacker: poke
20:39 < genehacker> ah you're back
20:40 < genehacker> what sort of metal printing do you have in mind
20:40 < genehacker> EBM or laser sintering or something different?
20:41 < timschmidt> was just noticing that my shiny new MIG wire-fed welder's mechanisms are disgustingly similar to my reprap's.
20:41 < genehacker> oh
20:41 < genehacker> so not EBM
20:41 < timschmidt> no
20:41 < timschmidt> much much much more crude
20:41 < genehacker> I'm a big fan of EBM
20:42 < genehacker> what will you use for support material?
20:42 < timschmidt> nothing?
20:42 < timschmidt> my reprap gets by fine without it
20:43 < genehacker> but then you can't make ridiculously complicated truss structures
20:43 < genehacker> that's no fun
20:43 < timschmidt> I suspect I'll be able to work within roughly the same limitations as molten plastic gives me...  which aren't really that limiting
20:43 < genehacker> *ridiculously complicated truss structures can have ~2X the specific stiffness and strength of bulk material
20:44 < genehacker> well I guess it is a low hanging fruit
20:44 < timschmidt> right
20:45 < genehacker> I should probably talk to the metallicarap people sometime
20:45 < timschmidt> I will be happy to push ground by building the first hobby metal printing reprap...  someone else can refine it
20:45 < genehacker> also check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqa3TMxje14
20:45  * timschmidt will perhaps be beaten by the metallicarap people
20:46 < timschmidt> but it's not really a race
20:47 < genehacker> oh another low hanging fruit type metal printing process we could pursue is chemical copper deposition
20:48 < genehacker> cupric(cuprous) oxides can be reacted with animal fats to make copper hexanoate, which decomposes into elemental copper when exposed to UV light or heat(~200C)
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21:40 < joshcryer> BTW, by the end of the year we will have approx. 6.9 billion human beings on our planet.
21:40 < joshcryer> Fun times.
21:41 < kanzure> i thought we were up to 7something
21:45 < joshcryer> Sometime next year.
21:47 < joshcryer> Obviously a bit hard to make a decent estimate, though.
21:54 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you program stuff :D?
21:54 < delinquentme> and if so what language
21:55 < kanzure> yes but the languages don't matter any more
21:55 < kanzure> what do you want me to write in?
21:56 < delinquentme> O_o;;;
21:56 < delinquentme> i want to know your thoughts on getting a remote connection to interface via ruby with hardware
21:57 < kanzure> that sounds vague
22:02 < delinquentme> how would you do it
22:02 < delinquentme> the input could be either a application .. or a browser window ( browser would be best IMO )
22:03 < delinquentme> and then connecting that up to an API which would run machines
22:03 < kanzure> what does "remote connection to interface via ruby with hardware" mean
22:03 < delinquentme> like the overarching .. architecture
22:03 < kanzure> are you asking for opinions on wireless protocols?
22:03 < delinquentme> nah wired is just fine .. just remote
22:03 < QuantumG> kanzure: you mean in the spiritual sense?
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22:04 < delinquentme> like if i wanted to use ruby to control a actuator in someone elses house .. lets say 1000 miles away
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