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06:25 < dbolser> pacbio actually do some sequencing:
06:25 < dbolser> PacBio zips out Haitian cholera genomes
06:25 < dbolser> http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8352
06:25 < dbolser> http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1012928#t=articleTop
06:25 < dbolser> The Origin of the Haitian Cholera
06:25 < dbolser> Outbreak Strain
06:31 < Lukas__> D:
06:44 < kanzure> videos from singularity summit 2010 http://vimeo.com/siai
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07:18 < Lukas__> Thanks
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08:33 < AlonzoTG> om
08:43 < dbolser> mu
08:48 < fenn> nam myoho renge kyo
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09:09 < delinquentme> hey all i had a quick question with regards to security ... does the # of open ports really contribute to the security of a system? or the lack thereof?
09:13 < Utopiah> a disconnected system is safer
09:36 < dbolser> For the American futurist Ray Kurzweil is a realistic forecast, 400 years old or even become immortal. But the scientific community agrees that the life expectancy continues to increase. But how far they can expand through medical innovation and what are the biological causes of aging? The longer life span would also affect the interaction between the generations and perhaps even the art, because what happens with classical narrative models, where w
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09:37 < dbolser> Panelists
09:37 < dbolser> Prof. Dr. Christian Behl, Department of Pathobiochemistry,
09:37 < dbolser> Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz
09:37 < dbolser> Dr. Jutta Gampe, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research in Rostock
09:37 < dbolser> Prof. Dr. Wolf Singer, director at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research
09:37 < dbolser> Frankfurt am Main
09:37 < dbolser> Prof. Dr. Hans-Ulrich Treichel, writer and director of the
09:37 < dbolser> German Literature Institute in Leipzig
09:37 < dbolser> Presentation
09:37 < dbolser> Dr. Roman Brinzanik, Max Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics in Berlin
09:37 < dbolser> Tobias Hülswitt, writers, Berlin
09:37 < dbolser> In cooperation with the Max-Planck-Gesellschaft
09:39 < delinquentme> Utopiah, hahah
09:39 < delinquentme> true
09:39 < delinquentme> dbolser, why would you want to LIVE honestly/
09:39 < delinquentme> wtf. jesus wants me to come home
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09:47 < kanzure> hypothesis: nobody wants to use http://thoughtware.tv/ because nobody wants it
09:48 < kanzure> *nobody uses thoughtware.tv because nobody wants it
09:54 < dbolser> what is it?
09:57 < kanzure> dbolser: i was playing around and made http://diyhpl.us:9000/ which at first glance might look similar
09:57 < dbolser> nice
09:59 < kanzure> dbolser was that thing about ray related to the list of panelists
09:59 < dbolser> Not really sure, I can forward you the email in german
09:59 < dbolser> Sounds like he should be there... or perhaps they just heard of him
09:59 < kanzure> please
10:01 < dbolser> sented
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10:25 < kanzure> hi jennicide
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10:51 < Lukas__> Good afternoon
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11:12 < kanzure> "From $1000 Genome book. There are about ~20,000 Sanger sequencer sold.
11:13 < Lukas__> What?
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11:33 < kanzure> microelectrode-based deprotection step in oligonucleotide synthesis (on a proprietary microarray) http://www.macrogen.com/eng/biochip/custom_advantages.jsp
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11:43 < kanzure> 30-60mer is just embarrassing.. http://www.febit.com/microarray-sequencing/technology/synthesis/
11:44 < kanzure> jmil: do you know anyone who has built perfusion setups for tissue cultures? especially if that person has reprap-related experience :D
11:44 < jmil> dunno what you mean exactly kanzure
12:11 < fenn> also be on the lookout for mongolian beekeepers with aegis radar expertise
12:17 < kanzure> 3d printed guitar http://www.zoybar.net/group/zoybartoritsreal
12:17 < kanzure> supposedly there's blender-usable files somewhere..
12:18 < kanzure> http://www.zoybar.net/About/download-the-zoybar-parts
12:18 < kanzure> http://www.zoybar.net/ZoybarKitsParts.WRL
12:18 < kanzure> haha wrl..
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13:31 < Utopiah> (mention of SeaStanding as a datahaven option in http://vimeo.com/17851619 International Cyber Jurisdiction)
13:42 < Lukas__> Didn't Sealand so this with Haven Co.
13:42 < Lukas__> ?
13:45 < Utopiah> yes, it's also mentionned
13:45 < Lukas__> ah
13:46 < Lukas__> I think that someone should use the decommissioned ISS as a data haven
13:46 < Lukas__> :P
13:47 < Utopiah> you?
13:52 < Lukas__> I don't have that sort of money
13:52 < Lukas__> and even if I did
13:52 < Lukas__> I'd be an uphill battle to obtain the thing
13:52 < Lukas__> still doesn't make sense to me why NASA would space it rather than use it for something else, or sell it
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14:02 < Lukas__> Kanzure, you around?
14:06 < kanzure> no
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14:09 < Lukas__> -__-
14:10 < Lukas__> not sure if you still collect relevant internet sources
14:10 < Lukas__> http://z15.invisionfree.com/Self_Hack/index.php?s=3945c4770589d399b0af894470569ca1&showforum=13
14:10 < Lukas__> still unsure whether I will liquidate the site
14:31 < jennicide> kanzure: hi
14:32 < Lukas__> Jennicide: hi
14:32 < jennicide> hi
14:34 < Lukas__> What's up?
14:35 < jennicide> not much
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14:36 < kanzure> well..
14:36 < kanzure> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/01/02/transcending-the-human-diy-style/
14:36 < kanzure> hrm.
14:36 < kanzure> so now ladyada is pushing it
14:38 < Lukas__> http://www.torproject.org/ - found this out do to the talk (thanks Utopiah!)
14:38 < kanzure> 27c3 talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT6xzMdFJTA
14:38 < kanzure> Lukas__: you don't use tor?
14:39 < Lukas__> I am a newbie, of course not
14:41 < Utopiah> Lukas__: np, might want to explore http://fabien.benetou.fr/Bypassing/ too then
14:41 < Lukas__> Thank you
14:42 < kanzure> ha ha ha
14:42 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/
14:42 < kanzure> oh man. the server is crumbling under the load.
14:45 < kanzure> if anyone wants to use the loadable version it's http://206.220.200.105/
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15:06 < Lukas__> yay, it's finally on the youtubes
15:08 < joshcryer> what load?
15:08 < joshcryer> did they get published on /. or something?
15:08 < fenn> i thought this was pretty sweet http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2008/08/diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator.html
15:09 < fenn> of course it assumes you can get a surplus cryocooler for $300 which is doubtful
15:11 < superkuh> http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERCONDUCTOR-TECHNOLOGIES-SUPERFILTER-850B2RR23-/220707865078?pt=BI_Cellular_Optical_Television_Test_Equipment&hash=item336336c1f6
15:11 < fenn> huh http://search.ebay.com/220707865078
15:11 < fenn> $100 shipping!
15:11 < superkuh> Hm. Still tempting.
15:12  * superkuh goes back to finish reading the article.
15:12 < kanzure> joshcryer: it gets something like 100-300 requests/sec as normal load..
15:13 < superkuh> Finding the 'nitrogen separation membrane' seems harder. But you could use rebreather zeolites instead.
15:14 < fenn> yeah, flaky oxygen concentrators are easy to come by because they can't be used for (legitimate) medical purposes
15:21 < superkuh> That's an impressive project. He explains it in video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14B8LynojI4
15:22 < fenn> i'm watching jeri ellsworth's "how to make electroluminescent displays from scratch" series
15:22 < fenn> not sure all the semiconductor physics stuff is really necessary
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15:39 < fenn> another nice thing i discovered today, to invert the screen: xcalib -i -a
15:40 < kanzure> ʞɔɐq ʇı ǝƃnɐɥɔ ı od ʍoɥ dɐɹɔ
15:42 < Lukas__> D:
15:42 < Lukas__> how did you do that?
15:45 < kanzure> a little python..
15:47 < kanzure> {"a":"\u0250","b":"q","c":"\u0254","d":"p","e":"\u01DD","f":"\u025F","g":"\u0183","h":"\u0265","i":"\u0131","j":"\u027E","k":"\u029E","l":"l","m":"\u026F","n":"u","o":"o","p":"d","q":"b","r":"\u0279","s":"s","t":"\u0287","u":"n","v":"\u028C","w":"\u028D","y":"\u028E","z":"z"}
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15:52 < kanzure> hi industromatic
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15:53 < gnusha> Lukas__: he typed while upside down
15:53 < kanzure> duh
15:53 < Lukas__> XD
15:54 < kanzure> (mirrored text actually)
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16:00 < industromatic> Hey Bryan
16:02 < industromatic> What was it you emailed me about the other day?
16:02 < industromatic> electrostatically programming reactions?
16:02 < industromatic> figure out any more feasibility of it?
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16:04 < industromatic> I wish Les Filip's shared shop would come together to something stable.
16:04 < industromatic> I told him I needed a timeline and commitment from others in his shop
16:04 < industromatic> to make a CNC functional before volunteering any more and have
16:04 < industromatic> not heard back.
16:07 < kanzure> i saw him about a month ago welding some of its parts
16:07 < kanzure> i am generally unsatisfied with how long hardware projects seem to take
16:07 < delinquentme> WOOT now a member for the LRIG Laboratory Robotics Interest Group ... if a nyone would like to join on linkedin :D
16:16 < Lukas__> heh, lepht doesn't seem like that much of a freak after that talk
16:17 < Lukas__> (emphasize: seem)
16:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, where can i see that mechanical leg the dude was DIY ing on
16:19 < delinquentme> getting it fixed
16:20 < kanzure> you mean lee nelson's post to diybio the other day?
16:20 < kanzure> or are you talking about openprosthetics.org stuff?
16:21  * AlonzoTG contemplates how important the human memory heirarchy is to his AI project... Is it only important for episodic memories or is it also important for general learning too? =P
16:21 < kanzure> why is that =P
16:21 < kanzure> i don't see the punch line
16:23 < Lukas__> a youtube talk, umm, one sec
16:23 < kanzure> delinquentme: if you mean lee's post.. http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2c3403097d20d83f/e92d48298023c57f#e92d48298023c57f
16:23 < kanzure> Lukas__: no i was talking to AlonzoTG
16:23 < Lukas__> oh
16:23 < Lukas__> -__O
16:23 < AlonzoTG> Cuz I'm a mad scientist, everything scientific I do is =P    ;)
16:24 < kanzure> industromatic: just a DNA synthesis scheme
16:24 < kanzure> industromatic: it would require a conductive liquid, for sure.
16:24 < kanzure> timschmidt: thanks for http://reprap.org/wiki/MCAD and http://groups.google.com/group/openscad-mcad :)
16:24 < AlonzoTG> Because, If I succeed, I'd prefer that nobody could believe that I could possibly succeed. ;)
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16:27 < timschmidt> :)
16:27 < industromatic> kanzure:just a DNA synthesis scheme?  Just?
16:27 < kanzure> yes
16:28 < industromatic> did you find out the scale of the "pixels" that would be needed to manipulate DNA?
16:28 < industromatic> 45 nm is small, but....
16:29 < industromatic> 45 nm comes at a price...  and it still might not be small enough...
16:31 < industromatic> kanzure: ">	i am generally unsatisfied with how long hardware projects seem to take"
16:31 < industromatic> When you DIY?  Les is just overloaded.  You can't expect others to do what you  want.
16:31 < industromatic> I wish Les knew what he wanted is all...
16:32 < industromatic> He's not been doing much of what he said...
16:32 < industromatic> gripe gripe gripe...
16:36 < delinquentme> ^^^ kanzure thanks
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16:43 < gloop> hmm this disconnects alot
16:44 < gloop> testnig
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16:50 < gloop> ychat has a constant disconnect reminder
16:57 < joshcryer> Use an IRC logging proxy like dircproxy.
17:00 < gloop> thanks
17:02 < kanzure> or you could just use screen or a shell..
17:02 < kanzure> simpler solutions win :)
17:02 < gloop> what is screen/shell
17:03 < industromatic> yeah , like DNA synthesis schemes
17:03 < kanzure> gloop: i thought you said you're a debian user
17:03 < gloop> i am but i have a dual boot running
17:03 < kanzure> don't you use bash (bourne again shell)?
17:03 < kanzure> or some other *sh.
17:04 < kanzure> the concept is to log in like you normally would to a remote machine
17:04 < gloop> i don't know what bash is...i think i used xchat before. are there any webbased ones i should use
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17:04 < gloop> (xchat on linux- with the amiga)
17:04 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what am i doing wrong?
17:06 < gloop> my debian actuallyhas a broken update manager so i can't install anything (i'm waiting for 6.0 squeeze)
17:06 < gloop> i might install AuroraOS
17:06 < gloop> when it comes out
17:07 < kanzure> i don't know how to explain this since it (to me) is like the first thing anyone using linux learns
17:07 < kanzure> when you type in commands you're typing into a shell
17:07 < gloop> right i get that- it's at a taller abstraction layer than the kernel
17:08 < kanzure> ok. so no, bash is not xchat or like xchat
17:08 < gloop> i learned through ubuntu and am slowly making my way closer to terminal commands, on a need basis
17:09 < gloop> most of my linux learning occurs through installing commands copied and pasted onto terminal
17:09 < gloop> from the net
17:09 < kanzure> yeah that's a bad idea
17:09 < kanzure> anyway i guess i'm under obligation to explain what i was saying
17:09 < gloop> i know, but it works for now- i started as a windows user
17:10 < kanzure> ssh gloop@giovanni.net -x 'screen -x xchat'
17:10 < kanzure> no i was suggesting a simpler solution than dircproxy
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17:11 < kanzure> anyway..
17:11 < gloop> well for windows i'll likely have to choose a solution different from linux
17:11 < kanzure> nah you can use an ssh client from windows like PuTtY or whatever the hot stuff is these days
17:11 < kanzure> gloop: you might find this interesting:
17:11 < kanzure> http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/
17:11 < kanzure> it's one of my old paper dumps on the net..
17:12 < Lukas__> O_O
17:12 < Lukas__> nice
17:12 < kanzure> sorry for the crappy organization
17:12 < ybit> it's poop
17:12 < gloop> hmm. that's cool
17:13 < Lukas__> It doesn't matter
17:13 < Lukas__> thanks
17:13 < ybit> you should really complain about the smell Lukas__
17:14 < kanzure> ybit: it is poop
17:14 < ybit> to not do so is overstepping the thin line of being courteous and inconsiderate
17:14 < gloop> hmm will there be a semantic search
17:15 < ybit> paperleaks, the p2p version of wikileaks, but much more interesting
17:16 < ybit> just thinking we need something like this
17:16 < ybit> gloop: if you build it
17:16 < gloop> Yacy
17:16 < gloop> is a decntralized search
17:17 < gloop> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sciencenet
17:18 < kanzure> so was searchwikia or grub
17:18 < kanzure> ybit: paperleaks would be great
17:19 < kanzure> but it should really be more about journal leaks
17:19 < kanzure> individual papers on their own aren't quite as useful because nobody will ever bother to organize them
17:20 < Lukas__> paperleaks
17:20 < gloop> that is true. perhaps there could be a reference citer- tracking which papers are cited more often, and to see if one type of research field is ignored because it has a conflict of interest
17:20 < Lukas__> do I smell something in teh making? ....
17:21 < gloop> nothing wrong with that, and maybe doesn't even require the paper, except maybe to examine the reference section
17:21 < gloop> there already is something like that- which shows how often a paper was cited
17:21 < ybit> so, superkuh, we're going to die, what to do with our time?
17:22 < kanzure> gloop: i think you misunderstand ybit's comment
17:22 < ybit> i could grep.. i might just do that... but i think you were working on rtms?
17:22 < kanzure> ybit's comment was not about citation analysis
17:22 < gloop> i wasn't inreference to ybit, but kanzure
17:22 < kanzure> ybit: superkuh gave up because he thinks he needs more money, last i heard
17:23 < ybit> oh, grr, it's always this money issue
17:23 < kanzure> honestly i think the response has few merits :)
17:27 < Lukas__> I am signing off
17:27 < Lukas__> take care
17:28 < gloop> gloobye
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17:44 < gloop> so i have a question. who came up with the Grand Manufacturing Prize
17:45 < kanzure> kartik gada
17:45 < kanzure> well
17:45 < kanzure> kartik in consultation with the reprap core development team
17:45 < gloop> and the Water Liberation?
17:46 < kanzure> kartik
17:46 < kanzure> water liberation and grand manufacturing prizes have no funding at the moment
17:46 < gloop> i know
17:46 < kanzure> though it looks like humanity+ will be teaming up with kartik to provide a 501c3 for those
17:46 < kanzure> (it's in progress.. had a conference call about it on my birthday yesterday)
17:46 < gloop> they're both great idesa
17:47 < kanzure> imho we could use more money for bounties
17:47 < kanzure> in open source hardware.
17:47 < kanzure> i.e. "$2,000 for a textile automation machine built on top of reprap"
17:47 < kanzure> http://reprap.org/wiki/Skeinosaur
17:47 < kanzure> brontoraptor <3 :D
17:48 < gloop> clothing? cool
17:51 < gloop> what about a BronteRepRap that prints Dover classics of Jane Eyre? lol
18:01 < gloop> is anyone on a RepRap team?
18:01 < kanzure> do you mean the core development team group.. thing?
18:01 < gloop> team for making new generations
18:02 < gloop> though i'm not sure if the gada prize in GPM is the same
18:02 < kanzure> jmil, timschmidt, genehacker, elmom might know a few things
18:02 < kanzure> in GPM?
18:02 < kanzure> http://gadaprize.org/ there is no other :)
18:03 < kanzure> unless you wanted the teams listed here http://reprap.org/wiki/Gada_Prize
18:03 < gloop> if i'm not mistaken, the grand manufacturing prize wants to have teams develop parts for a faster reprap, but would that mean they would all go into a core dev
18:03 < kanzure> well ideally core dev will appreciate the changes
18:03 < kanzure> but if not it's very easy to branch git repositories
18:06 < gloop> yeah i'm guessing the core dev of the rep rap should be like Gentoo or something- very modular at a layer- though some parts aren't as interechangeable i'd imagine
18:07 < kanzure> i am having trouble assessing your technical knowledge since you seem to be aware of debian but not bashor what a shell is
18:07 < kanzure> *bash or what a shell is
18:08 < gloop> bash is a terminal command... a shell is a GUI?
18:08 < gloop> well, i also speak in metaphors. so i'm not literal
18:09 < gloop> always
18:09 < gloop> *not literal always
18:09 < kanzure> so does that mean you know what gentoo actually is or just that you know it exists?
18:09 < kanzure> i'm confused
18:10 < QuantumG> gentoo == linux ricers
18:13 < gloop> from a distant, abstract perspective, i don't take what Gentoo actually is, but the what it may seem to emphasize more than other linux distros...however, if there is a distro more barebone and less standard than debian, then i was signifying that
18:14 < gloop> another way of asking is, what is modular in linux, and what isn't?
18:14 < delinquentme> umm does anyone know of a internet startup which as openly declared they wont support IE as a browser?
18:14 < kanzure> delinquentme: yeah i've heard of one or two like that..
18:15 < kanzure> gloop: packages are modular.
18:15 < delinquentme> kanzure, know the names of them by chances?
18:15 < kanzure> nope.
18:15 < kanzure> delinquentme: http://www.marco.org/82950480
18:16 < kanzure> http://playnice.ly/blog/2010/10/19/techstartup-focused-product-dont-support-ie/
18:16 < kanzure> http://www.usabilitypost.com/post/14-drop-ie6-support-give-people-a-reason-to-upgrade
18:16 < gloop> ok. so what packages constitute the linux or Hurd kernel
18:16 < kanzure> http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/29/google-twists-knife-in-ie6-pulls-support-from-docs-and-sites/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
18:17 < gloop> and what can be run as an abstraction above that
18:17 < gloop> or whatever runs on that
18:17 < kanzure> gloop: debian package? i guess there's linux-image-2.6.xxx
18:17 < kanzure> linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 for instance
18:17 < kanzure> hm that's an old one
18:17 < gloop> a new one was just released
18:18 < gloop> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/05/2021254/Linux-2637-Released
18:19 < gloop> ok well my original  point isn't as applicable to printers i guess
18:20 < kanzure> gloop: have you watched my videos on apt-get for hardware?
18:20 < gloop> i saw some of the presentations
18:23 < gloop> i understand the concept. it will just take a while for me to get all the ins and outs of its physical destination on a printer
18:29 < kanzure> gloop: on another note, this little new year's project of mine might interest you
18:29 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
18:30 < gloop> i've seen that gerontologist featured on exhibitsat the science museum near where i live at an exhibit
18:31 < gloop> oops i said that twice
18:32 < kanzure> "that gerontologist" there are many gerontolist-videos there.. which one? :)
18:32 < gloop> the one on that link with the LONG beard
18:32 < gloop> the same exhibit had vertical farming, which i like
18:32 < kanzure> :) aubrey de grey
18:35 < delinquentme> hes so BALLSY!
18:35 < delinquentme> guys kinda my hero
18:41 < gloop> speaking of vertical farming. would LED lights be enough to grow crops in skyscrapers?
18:41 < gloop> are any RepRaps working on LED light bulbs?
18:42 < gloop> hydroponics, aeroponics etc
18:45 < delinquentme> gloop, ive seen a LEd light used for MJ that apprently kicks ass in many spectrums
18:45 < delinquentme> it MAY be called the UFO or something
18:46 < gloop> hmm. flat lights would be useful
18:46 < gloop> easier to print
18:54 < gloop> that's a good idea. offices in urban skyscrapers  should grow food with them
18:57 < gloop> 80 wattsx 12 hours...if a solar panel system could power that per each lamp that would be efficient
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19:00 < gloop> hmm why do some places it says 80 or 90 watts and other places it says 1-2 watts
19:01 < gloop> what's being used at the 80/90 level
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19:06 < gloop> ok those dots
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19:17 < gloop> kanzure: any specific plans for the aggregation video site?
19:18 < gloop> it's interesting. i've bookmarked it
19:18 < kanzure> comments/discussion, Q&A with the speakers from the videos, jrayhawk wants MST3King going on :)
19:19 < kanzure> also i might be able to con some percentage of the users into writing short multi-paragraph reviews
19:19 < kanzure> so that people will know if they want to watch each talk or not
19:21 < gloop> heh ,st3k
19:21 < gloop> *m
19:23 < kanzure> gloop: how many bookmarks do you have
19:24 < gloop> 77 on XP, but i only use like the most recent 4 or 5
19:24 < kanzure> only 77?
19:25 < gloop> i have links in emails
19:25 < gloop> that i search usually
19:25 < gloop> so there are more there
19:25 < kanzure> i see. i was going to ask for a .tar.gz of your bookmarks folder but i guess that's not going to happen
19:25 < gloop> i just search from memory, which usually works
19:25 < gloop> keywords, phrases
19:26 < kanzure> i have a set of about 15,000 bookmarks if you ever want to look at that
19:26 < gloop> also, i once had a metaidea of borrowing what old games in the 80s did with DRM
19:26 < gloop> it's too hard to look into a huge list without context
19:26 < kanzure> it's a hierarchy
19:27 < gloop> that helps
19:28 < gloop> you know how some games on floppies asked you to list the third word from the top in an instruction manual so they could prove you actually owned the booklet?
19:28 < gloop> or something like that
19:29 < gloop> well, i was thinking they could do that with a web search- an author that charges for brief access to a page or a line in a book could sell you  a mini copy of the book excerpt if you typed in a specific query, such as one from memory
19:29 < gloop> of course it could just be made free
19:29 < gloop> but for existing books
19:30 < gloop> it could be restrictive or open like a whole paragraph page/preview
19:30 < kanzure> or you can just give me the entire book.
19:30 < gloop> anyways, that was a bit off topic
19:31 < gloop> yeah that's how  an ebook could  be published
19:31 < kanzure> ebooks can be published by uploading the files to some server on the web.. problem solved.
19:32 < gloop> right. it was more of a mental exercise
19:33 < gloop> well, i read Slashdot daily, and usually The Inquirer.net
19:33 < gloop> theinquirer.net*
19:33 < kanzure> no i just sort of expected you to have a large collection of obscure bookmarks
19:34 < gloop> in my head, in heavily spliced memes you could say something of the sort exists
19:34 < kanzure> yes but i can't download that (yet) :(
19:35 < gloop> i could recreate some of it
19:35 < gloop> in the near future
19:35 < gloop> my  life is kind of like Katamari Damacy
19:35 < gloop> more of a snowball collection
19:35 < gloop> harder to forget
19:36 < gloop> tell you what, i'll write down a bunch of links i recall
19:36 < gloop> and i'll send it in the next few days
19:37 < kanzure> cool
19:37 < kanzure> try for stuff that i am not aware of :)
19:37 < gloop> did you get the one on openmanufacturing?
19:37 < kanzure> yes
19:37 < kanzure> (btw i moderate openmanufacturing)
19:37 < gloop> those were some of the ones i liked a lot
19:37 < gloop> in recent collections
19:38 < gloop> well gtg. later everybody
19:38 < kanzure> cya
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20:12 < AlonzoTG> http://emissionlabs.com/datasheets/EML20B.htm
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20:23 < kanzure> hi genehacker
20:23 < genehacker> hello
20:23 < genehacker> cakes are additively manufactured
20:24 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xp0u7iE5E&NR=1
20:25 < kanzure> subtractive cake manufacturing would be neat.
20:25 < genehacker> also have you seen fab@home's cookie recipe
20:25 < kanzure> nope is it good?
20:25 < genehacker> well they had help from world class chefs
20:26 < genehacker> the printed turkey was supposedly good
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21:29 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omGHeVmv6NI
21:38 < kanzure> what is it?
21:41 < joshcryer> Simple ping pong juggling robot.
21:41 < joshcryer> I was just YouTube browsing and thought I'd post it in here...
21:41 < kanzure> cool. i can't convert omGHeVmv6NI into titles.
21:42 < kanzure> i wonder why youtube doesn't use pretty urls or permalinks
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21:44 < joshcryer> I just love watching real time performance art by robots.
21:44 < joshcryer> I will admit that 99% of the situations are lame solved problems and that they cannot be applied to much.
21:44 < QuantumG> too*
21:44 < joshcryer> doh
21:45 < joshcryer> I knew that, fyi. :P
21:45 < joshcryer> Wait.
21:45 < QuantumG> http://jpaerospace.com/blog/  <- this is the most boring blog for such interesting project(s)
21:45 < joshcryer> No you're wrong it's to much. :P
21:45 < QuantumG> yeah, true, both work
21:46 < joshcryer> I like your interpretation though but I did mean the other way.
21:46 < joshcryer> The real time demos you see on YouTube just don't apply to anything that we actually care about.
21:47 < joshcryer> For me it's sort of crossing the Uncanny Valley where a robot is doing something humans can do very easily and in real time.
21:47 < joshcryer> But to watch a kid bounce a ping pong ball it's "meh, who cares."
21:50 < kanzure> maybe the robot brings hope of repeatbility
21:50 < kanzure> which is weird because right now you can breed kids faster than robots
21:50 < kanzure> *repeatability
21:53 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy5g33S0Gzo
21:53 < joshcryer> Indeed.
21:53 < joshcryer> It's because robots are still processing way way way more data than humans give a crap about.
21:54 < joshcryer> I think we convince ourselves that we're so awesome that our robots need to do all sorts of superfluous stuff to achieve the same results.
21:55 < joshcryer> "Yeah, we have to scan the entire towel for the robot to fold it because the human brain is so awesome and scans the entire environment hundreds of times a second and maps everything out."
21:55 < joshcryer> Uh, no, you fold a tower by finding the edges using gravity.
21:55 < joshcryer> s/tower/towel
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21:56 < kanzure> lots of new members http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/members?start=0&sort=date&order=rev
21:57 < QuantumG> there's absolutely nothing similar to what humans do in that towel folding demonstration
21:57 < QuantumG> that's the whole point of it
21:57 < QuantumG> Willow Garage is about *actually doing stuff*, not pontificating about "intelligence"
21:57 < joshcryer> That's a Willow Garage video?
21:57 < joshcryer> The paper didn't indicate that.
21:58 < QuantumG> it's a PR2
21:58 < QuantumG> before the PR2 donation
21:58 < QuantumG> there's a towel folding module in ROS I believe
21:59 < joshcryer> "We present a novel vision-based grasp point detection algorithm that can reliably detect the corners of a piece of cloth, using only geometric cues that are robust to variation in texture. Furthermore, we demonstrate the effectiveness of our algorithm in the context of folding a towel using a generalpurpose two-armed mobile robotic platform without the use of specialized end-effectors
21:59 < joshcryer> or tools. The robot begins by picking up a randomly dropped towel from a table, goes through a sequence of vision-based re-grasps and manipulations- partially in the air, partially on the table- and finally stacks the folded towel in a target location."
21:59 < joshcryer> Not sure if that went through.
21:59 < QuantumG> yup
21:59 < QuantumG> http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/31/berkeley-gets-willow-garage-robot-to-fold-towels-simply-stunning-video/
22:00 < joshcryer> I like David Everling's comment.
22:00 < joshcryer> :P
22:02 < joshcryer> Can that towel folding robot make me a sandwich?
22:02 < joshcryer> :D
22:02 < QuantumG> I imagine there's someone who suggests that every time they have a hackathon
22:03 < QuantumG> and someone probably says "do you really want your code wielding knives?"
22:03 < joshcryer> I think most nerds aren't as sexist as me.
22:03 < joshcryer> Haha
22:03 < QuantumG> still "make me a sandwich" ... "I'll be back in 2 hours and that better be done!"
22:04 < joshcryer> That last comment is relevant.
22:04 < joshcryer> On that singularityhub blog post.
22:04 < joshcryer> You want a robot to fold towels you make one that sits in the corner folding towels like a regular appliance might, say, wash clothes.
22:06 < joshcryer> Ugh we don't need general purpose robots. :(
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22:21 < joshcryer> QuantumG, how much does a PR2 really cost to make?
22:22 < joshcryer> I mean what's in the thing.
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22:28 < kanzure> Juul: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
22:28 < Juul> very nice
22:28 < Juul> :)
22:29 < Juul> who did that site?
22:29 < joshcryer> kanzure did.
22:29 < joshcryer> On his birthday.
22:29 < joshcryer> He's a freak.
22:29 < Juul> haha
22:29 < joshcryer> (ok technically it wasn't his bday but yeah)
22:29 < Juul> oh yeah, you turned 21 right?
22:29 < Juul> a delayed happy birthday to you kanzure
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22:31 < kanzure> thanks Juul
22:31 < kanzure> i tried a "drink every time someone wishes you a happy birthday" game but it got kind of ridiculous with facebook spam
22:31 < Juul> haha
22:31 < Juul> yeah, it would
22:33 < joshcryer> "h+ advocate dies after alcohol poisoning after taking a shot for every 'birthday wish' he received on FaceBook."
22:33 < joshcryer> s/after/from/1
22:37 < kanzure> "h+ advocate" is that the best i get? :(
22:38 < joshcryer> I seem to recall getting admonished for calling you celebrity or leader but I can't remember.
22:39 < kanzure> blah this didn't embed either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZge1v7GDq0
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23:06 < kanzure> hi mayko
23:06 < mayko> hi!!!!
23:06 < mayko> what's up?
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23:09 < kanzure> reading some more http://orionsarm.com/
23:17 < mayko> awesome i've been trying to learn to use arduinos and GIMP
23:17 < mayko> getting sleepy
23:18 < mayko> our biolab is getting itself together too
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23:21 < mayko> incidentally, is anyone good at identifying molds?
23:21 < kanzure> it's probably chinese.
23:22 < kanzure> if you mean the biological kind.. posting a photo or two to diybio will get lots of responses :)
23:22 < mayko> http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/csoeder/Welcome%20to%20Fungopolis/DSC_0283.jpg
23:22 < mayko> ah
23:23 < mayko> i will do that tomorrow when people are there yay
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