--- Log opened Mon Jan 10 00:00:04 2011 00:04 < joshcryer> What color defines h+? 00:06 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:36 < jrayhawk> Goo grey. 01:50 < jrayhawk> http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/Pictures/Photo9459.katalypics145.jpg Huh, that's, like, two miles south of me. 01:50 < jrayhawk> *stalks bkero* 01:50 < bkero> 'eh? 01:51 < bkero> That's about two miles west of me. 01:51 < jrayhawk> We can be coincidental geographical proximity buddies! 01:52 < bkero> I'm in Beaverton near Cedar Hills 01:52 < jrayhawk> I'm up by Kaiser and Germantown. 01:52 < bkero> That picture is old, when I was looking for housing for my intel internship. 01:53 < bkero> That's two miles southwest of you, I'm two miles south. 01:55 < joshcryer> like this jrayhawk? http://i.imgur.com/jh2Mv.png :P 01:55 < bkero> wut 01:55 < joshcryer> going to make an animation with it, it transitions nicely from an h to a + (geometrically cleanly) 01:55 < bkero> ah 01:59 < jrayhawk> Maybe you can use some of lepht's self-mutilation pictures as a texture for it. 02:00 < jrayhawk> Make it really catch the eye. 02:02 < joshcryer> oh she released some? 02:02 < jrayhawk> bkero: so what are/were you working on at Intel? 02:02 < joshcryer> linky? ;P 02:05 < jrayhawk> Huh, I was hoping pictures would show up after her talk 02:06 < joshcryer> I have the high res (720 x 576) version but she is hyper and moves too much to really get a good shot of her 02:09 < jrayhawk> Ugh. Why does she have to make it so difficult for us to troll Bryan :( 02:10 < joshcryer> I thought we had a Lepht cease fire after you explained she wasn't a guy heh 02:10 < bkero> jrayhawk: I was working in engineering computing over there, writing automation for cluster nodes. 02:10 < bkero> cfEngine to be exact, configuration management. :) 02:13 < jrayhawk> This is with the OTC, or cold, cruel normal Intel? 02:14 < jrayhawk> OTC/OSTC 02:15 < jrayhawk> And what are you up to now? 02:18 < bkero> OTC? No 02:18 < bkero> Unix Ops 02:19 < jrayhawk> Bummer. 02:24 < joshcryer> here's what a render looks like bkero: http://i.imgur.com/HqXXh.jpg 02:27 < jrayhawk> Well, since my normal bad taste approach isn't available, how about lenseflares and clashing saturated color specular lighting? 02:27 < joshcryer> hehe 02:28 < joshcryer> it's going to be metal, then glass then molecules, you'll see it'll be l33t 02:28 < jrayhawk> chrome above a checkerboard floor 02:29 < Utopiah> even more classical today, progression from DNA strands to silicon layout? 02:30 < joshcryer> possibly 02:30 < joshcryer> it's going to be the intro to an h+ advocacy video 02:30 < joshcryer> made with snippets from the best soundbytes that exist 02:37 < archels> sounds interesting 02:47 < bkero> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8c0tDzyKlA 02:59 < joshcryer> wow, certainly blew the engine on that 02:59 < joshcryer> can tell he has no respect for the vehicle given the window 03:03 < jrayhawk> Burning out on an open diff is more likely to grenade the transaxle than the engine. 03:04 < joshcryer> The flywheel flew up, one of the comments says that he rebuilt it successfully, though. 03:05 < jrayhawk> Oh hey, yeah. That's impressive. 03:11 * joshcryer watches Truman Show after seeing the latest SNL with Jim Carrey. 03:42 -!- phreedom [~quassel@mimosa122.netlux.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:45 -!- phreedom [~quassel@mimosa122.netlux.org] has quit [Client Quit] 03:45 -!- phreedom [~quassel@mimosa122.netlux.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:52 -!- phreedom [~quassel@mimosa122.netlux.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:52 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:42 < Lukas___> http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/im-pc-why-transhumanism-will-fail 04:44 < mjr> wanker, though correct in the concern with authoritarian development in tech 04:45 < Utopiah> provocative title, opens with Macs, closes with Mac, should I really read it? 04:46 < mjr> not really 04:48 < Lukas___> It is a few paragraphs 04:54 < Lukas___> I think it makes some good points 04:58 < joshcryer> Why is hplusmagazine publishing retarded shit like this? 04:59 < Lukas___> xD 04:59 < Lukas___> I take it you disagree 05:01 < joshcryer> The technical know how problem is a problem of tools. 05:01 < joshcryer> It has no relevance to hardware, and it has very little relevance to the rather young DIY transhumanism movement. 05:02 < joshcryer> Until open hardware is being manufactured (at all steps of the process) there exist simply no data to go by. 05:02 < joshcryer> It's a nice Mac bashing post, and I enjoy those oh so very much, but in the end it's just a really poor metaphor. 05:03 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:04 < joshcryer> Progress is being made, incrementally, slowly on information age time scales, but extremely fast as far as progress is concerned. 05:04 < joshcryer> When he wrote "We're faced with two transhumanisms." I thought we were going to finally get a coherent metaphor. 05:05 < joshcryer> The Kurzweil guys vs the DIY guys. 05:05 < joshcryer> Kurzweil thinks it's happening regardless, with big corporations running the show. 05:05 < joshcryer> DIY think maybe we can make it happen faster (if not prevent catastrophe by ourselves having the tech). 05:06 < Lukas___> That is what I got from it as well 05:06 < joshcryer> But the metaphor he makes falls utterly flat because it is missing data and ignoring the real progress that PC users are making (the distinction no longer exists because hackers aren't using their Mac's like Mac-heads are). 05:07 < joshcryer> In the end I'd say DIY h+ is actually extremely difficult, period, done, end of debate. And that ultimately we need to improve our toolsets (like kanzure is attempting with, I believe he's calling it 'gitduino' now, aka apt-get open hardware). 05:08 < joshcryer> I'm a huge software advocate and I believe that that's where progress is going to show itself the most. 05:08 < mjr> you advocate software bloat, then? ;] 05:08 < joshcryer> Nah, just software that is smarter and easier to use. 05:08 < joshcryer> ie, Button Press h+. 05:08 < mjr> sure 05:09 < mjr> just, you know, parsed that ((huge software) advocate), "heh heh" 05:09 < joshcryer> You want to design a chair you screw around with advanced procedural design patterns and pow, you can do it. Your mom can do it. A 5 year old kid can do it. 05:10 < joshcryer> Your mom cannot, in fact, make a coffee cup with a RepRap. 05:10 < joshcryer> Even if you gave her the tools, everything she needed. 05:10 < mjr> True. She's too dead. 05:10 < joshcryer> Even if you sat there for 20 minutes working on it. 05:10 < joshcryer> Aw, sorry, didn't mean anything by that. 05:10 < mjr> Yeah I know, nevermind. 05:10 < joshcryer> Did you put her in cryonics? 05:11 < joshcryer> Heh, my mom still emails me her law documents to put into APA format. 05:11 < mjr> no, and it was last century anyways 05:11 < joshcryer> Only takes me 2 minutes, and, well, let me just admit that it took me hours upon hours to learn every freaking thing about APA format and Blue Book citation. 05:11 < joshcryer> It's actually rather absurd how much time I spent learning it. 05:11 < mjr> (and there's no handy-dandy-easy cryonics around here yet anyway, Kriorus is near for storage though) 05:12 < joshcryer> And I have absolutely no use for it (that's the worst thing for me, learning something I will never use for myself). 05:12 < joshcryer> mjr, hope it's not a touchy subject, I mention cryonics whenever I can. 05:12 < mjr> no it's not 05:13 < joshcryer> My dad is dead, but my mom is still kicking. 05:13 < mjr> I make necrophiliac jokes in response to fucked-your-mom jokes and all. You see, my humor is Finnish. 05:14 < joshcryer> I like Finns. 05:14 < joshcryer> The worlds best hackers. 05:14 < joshcryer> That's not really a debate. 05:16 < Lukas___> heh 05:16 < Lukas___> Didn't know that 05:17 < joshcryer> Look at the hackers behind the PS3 hack... 05:17 < Lukas___> So what exactly is gitduino? 05:18 < joshcryer> You've been making noises like you want to make your bastard django/piny thing happen under the name gitduino, which would involve some path changes that I could get over with now rather than later. 05:18 < joshcryer> I actually ... don't know. 05:18 < joshcryer> I think that's what they're calling the apt-get thing? 05:18 < joshcryer> I haven't been following what they are working on. 05:18 < joshcryer> http://gitduino.com/ 05:19 < joshcryer> It appears to be the new name for the apt-get open hardware thing? Maybe a repository? 05:19 < joshcryer> I bet the logs reveal the truth but I'm not going to read them, I gotta get to work. :/ 05:19 < joshcryer> Nice name, btw, Arduinos, while nifty, are all over YouTube but mostly lame. ;P 05:19 < joshcryer> I hope Arduino doesn't sue. 05:20 < Lukas___> Is there anyone else other than Kanzure that is really investing time and energy in DIYh+ ? 05:21 < Lukas___> He seems to be the only one I really find when combing the internet 05:21 < joshcryer> Oh there's no way Arduino can sue the name is just generalized, nm. 05:21 < Lukas___> other than Lepht, of course (but that is another discussion) 05:21 < joshcryer> Lukas___, heh, hey, I'm going to make an advocacy video! 05:22 < joshcryer> Lukas___, but no not currently, I'm waiting for winter to be over so I can move. 05:22 < Lukas___> heh 05:22 < Lukas___> that is a problem 05:22 < joshcryer> But that's a rather general question. 05:23 < joshcryer> I mean, kanzure might argue DIY h+, but a RepRap guy might argue DIY rapid prototyper. 05:23 < joshcryer> Regardless both of their efforts are going to help h+. 05:23 < joshcryer> Even if the intent isn't there. 05:23 < Lukas___> True 05:24 < Lukas___> I was planning on trying to get the science and engineering crowd at my school attracted to the idea of DIYh+ 05:24 < Utopiah> http://www.evolutionarymanifesto.com on cosmological artificial selection and escaping heat death 05:24 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:24 < Lukas___> but at this point only advocacy is possible, as money alludes me 05:24 < joshcryer> Utopiah, tl;dr version? 05:25 < joshcryer> Lukas___, yeah, well, I figure the best DIY projects are those that minimize the need for regular streams of money. 05:25 < Lukas___> It looks like another advocacy paper 05:25 < joshcryer> It looks too long for me to read. 05:26 < Lukas___> I've given up on the whole "The future is changing" type papers / talks 05:26 < Lukas___> can we actually get something done? 05:26 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:27 < joshcryer> No time soon. 05:27 < joshcryer> 5 years maybe. 05:27 < joshcryer> I gtg 05:27 < joshcryer> Later Lukas___ :D 05:27 < Lukas___> Later 05:27 < joshcryer> sorry for the mind melting there 05:27 < Lukas___> :D 05:27 < joshcryer> ranting w/e 06:14 -!- timschmidt [~timschmid@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15 -!- timschmidt [~timschmid@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:22 < Lukas___> Good morning timschidt 06:29 < kanzure> joshcryer: hplusmagazine is publishing retarded shit because hplusmagazine /is/ retarded 06:30 < kanzure> joshcryer: gitduino is github+thingiverse 06:30 < kanzure> joshcryer: skdb is still what it was 06:31 < Lukas___> Hello Kanzure 06:36 < kanzure> hi. 06:59 < Lukas___> Is Tinker Cell any good? 07:01 < kanzure> i haven't used it for a specific project ever. 07:01 < kanzure> but it seemed to install easily enough *shrug* 07:06 < timschmidt> Lukas__: morning 07:06 < Lukas___> :D 07:06 < Lukas___> thanks 07:08 < Lukas___> I'll be using that and Gene Designer 07:09 < kanzure> for what? 07:27 -!- strages [~strages@c-68-62-169-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 < Lukas___> A couple of projects 07:33 < Lukas___> for now, it's mostly theoretical work 07:33 < Lukas___> modeling simple systems 07:34 < Lukas___> prokaryotes, for the most part 07:36 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 07:36 < kanzure> Lukas___: it doesn't sound like you have anything specific yet 07:36 < kanzure> so i recommend you do it by hand without using gene designer or tinkercell until you know what it is that you are doing 07:49 < Lukas___> ? 07:49 < Lukas___> That is some serious math 07:50 < kanzure> like what? 08:02 < Lukas___> Mostly high end Calculus 08:04 < kanzure> can you say anything specific, like "when looking up the sequence for a lac operon, i need to know calculus for xyz" ? 08:06 < Lukas___> Sorry, I am running back and forth between my computer and the kitchen 08:06 < Lukas___> I'm trying to fee my little guy 08:21 -!- strages [~strages@c-68-62-169-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:22 < Lukas___> O.o The idea is to find out a way to model inter-cellular protein-protein interactions, which would require this sort of math: http://www.sbi.uni-rostock.de/dokumente/p_gilles_paper.pdf (knowledge of kinetics, statistics, etc.) 08:23 < Lukas___> then again, it is stupid to think I could try to do this now, as the math requirements to even start are .... 08:23 < Lukas___> hefty 08:23 -!- strages [~strages@c-68-62-169-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 < kanzure> Lukas___: i took some notes on the gillespie algorithm a few years ago.. http://heybryan.org/winfree.html 09:17 < kanzure> i was working off of 'Robust stochastic chemical reaction networks and bounded Tau-leaping' http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/soloveichik_robust_CRN2009arxiv.pdf 09:19 < Lukas___> O.o You are a well learned man, Kanzure 09:19 < Lukas___> thanks 09:29 * phryk could imagine kanzure winning the damn nobel prize 09:29 < phryk> Albeit he might even resist to go there because he's got more important stuff to do^^ 09:30 < delinquentme> with regards to expensive lab equipment ... i want to get my hands on some and learn to interface them with server ... what INCENTIVES can i offer the labs ( something of value to THEM ) in exchange to sit down and poke around with their machines? .. i was thinking about writing up a tutorial for their lab on how to interface w their machines in a novel way .. thoughts? 09:31 < kanzure> delinquentme: how about i just buy you some equipment instead? 09:31 < kanzure> having said that, what do you need and why? 09:31 < Lukas___> I agree with Kanzure, I doubt you'd gain access to labs to simply poke around 09:31 < delinquentme> kanzure, umm its not what i need but i want to develop hardware skills 09:31 < Lukas___> though you could try, you never know 09:32 < kanzure> yeah they won't let you use their equipment to screw up on 09:33 < kanzure> delinquentme: here's a good inventory overview http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml 09:33 < Lukas___> phryk: I can imagine the scenario now, lol 09:33 < delinquentme> i saw a wired article on something of the sort ... with how to assemble a cheap one 09:34 < delinquentme> im thinking i need to press this local DIY bio dude into getting the lab together 09:34 < kanzure> where are you? 09:34 < delinquentme> PGH is SUPPOSED ot get one being assembled 09:34 < delinquentme> pittsburgh 09:34 < kanzure> hmm who's the local diybio person? 09:34 < Lukas___> Good to know there is a fellow east coaster here 09:34 < delinquentme> Lukas___, >_< 09:35 < Lukas___> :D 09:36 < delinquentme> richard pell is his name @ the center for post natural history 09:36 < delinquentme> hes apprently got space there 09:36 < delinquentme> .. PS how do i help people get something like this off the ground without any REAL lab experience .. 09:36 < delinquentme> ive volunteered to make a website and google spreadsheets of the equip wed need 09:37 < kanzure> why a spreadsheet? 09:37 < delinquentme> just the first thing that came to mind 09:37 < delinquentme> he seems to just want to be left along to work @ his own pace 09:38 < kanzure> anyway, if you'er serious about setting up a space you'll eventually find yourself doing a lot of visiting of potential spaces and getting rent deals 09:38 < kanzure> *you're 09:39 < Lukas___> That sounds like a pain 09:40 < kanzure> or a lot of fun? 09:41 < delinquentme> getting rent deals? 09:41 < delinquentme> eqip rental or space rental? 09:41 < delinquentme> actually that could be a really sweet IN 09:42 < delinquentme> to like legitimize why im there talking w people 09:42 < Lukas___> Just as long as you have a place to store the stuff 09:43 < kanzure> space rental. 09:43 < Lukas___> true 09:43 < delinquentme> kanzure, apprently thats where this guy comes in .. he kinda runs a spot that has extra space 09:44 < Lukas___> how extra are we talking? 09:51 < delinquentme> haha im not sure 09:51 < delinquentme> hes happy im exicted about it .. but details are fairly sparse 09:53 < Lukas___> no problem, good luck with it 10:11 -!- RadiVis [~quassel@pD9F8B922.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- g4k is now known as tetsuharu 10:16 -!- tetsuharu is now known as tetsu 10:17 -!- tetsu is now known as g4k 10:19 < kanzure> hi g4k 10:49 -!- strages [~strages@c-68-62-169-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16 -!- RadiVis_ [~quassel@pD9F8ACD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:19 -!- RadiVis [~quassel@pD9F8B922.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:27 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:45 < kanzure> humanity+ people running for the board: ben goertzel, me, michael anissimov, todd huffman, patri friedman.. only 3 can be elected. 11:46 < kanzure> you can join to vote here: http://humanityplus.org/join 12:00 < archels> already in the board now = Ben, ...? 12:06 < kanzure> ben goertzel, todd huffman, thomas mccabe, amy li, natasha vita-more, max more, howard bloom, david orban, michael vassar, mike latorra 12:07 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16 < archels> and the set intersection of those two is... 12:31 < kanzure> ben and todd are presently on the board but their term is expiring 12:42 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 < archels> $2.50 a month for the most minimal membership? Those greedy bastards. 12:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 < kanzure> "the emerging economy of home and desktop manufacturing" http://www.mae.cornell.edu/lipson/FactoryAtHome.pdf 13:34 < kanzure> choo choo bandwagon 13:34 < kanzure> wait that's a train 13:34 < kanzure> choo choo cluetrain? 13:35 < kanzure> oh it's hod lipson 14:06 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26 < kanzure> yet another biopunk manifesto 14:26 < kanzure> http://biopunk.hu/2011/01/10/biopunk-manifesto/ 14:27 < kanzure> oh wait. that's meredith again. 14:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/a-biopunk-manifesto-by-meredith-patterson 14:35 < kanzure> a few more via macowell: 14:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/programming-dna-by-drew-endy 14:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/acinetobacter-baylyi-adp1-as-a-chassis-for-the-directed-evolution-of-genes-and-genomes 14:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/the-diybio-community-presented-at-ignite-boston-5-2009 14:35 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/diybio-in-5-minutes-o-reilly-ignite-boston 14:36 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/labcloud-recap-post-elevator-pitch-competition 14:36 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/ucam-hello-world-looking-at-streetwater-and-blood 14:36 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/ben-krasnow-demos-his-diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator-at-makerfaire-2010-san-mateo 14:36 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/roboscope-v0-5-1-z-axis-demo 14:40 < kanzure> outlawbiology.net is down :( 14:40 < kanzure> also i forgot all of the outlaw biology videos 14:44 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/what-makes-traditional-themal-cyclers-so-expensive-and-what-is-otyp-doing-differently 14:45 < jrayhawk> Are you saving these videos anywhere? 14:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: manually downloading them? no 14:47 < kanzure> do you think i should? 14:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/synbiosafe-trailer 14:47 < jrayhawk> If you care about them, yes. 14:48 < jrayhawk> Relying on other people to manage your content is usually a mistake. 14:48 < jrayhawk> s/other/random/ 14:49 < jrayhawk> cclive can be used with most of the big video hosts. 14:49 < kanzure> ok fine. 14:50 < kanzure> why do all of these videos exist? 14:50 < kanzure> 569 so far.. average length is 1 hour 14:50 < kanzure> 600 hours of content? i mean, come on, who has time for this 14:51 < kanzure> what's worse is that it takes more than 1 hour to make each hour of video 15:01 -!- niftyzero1 [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:02 < kanzure> ooh one on mechanosynthesis http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/mechanosynthesis-ralph-merkle-robert-freitas 15:04 < jrayhawk> If you wind up planning on sticking 600 hours of video on gnusha, I should probably exclude it from the backups. Let me know. 15:05 -!- niftyzero1_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 < kanzure> heh 15:07 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you're my favorite sysadmin 15:07 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 15:10 < jrayhawk> I was under the impression I was your only sysadmin! 15:11 < jrayhawk> We are exclusive, right? 15:11 < jrayhawk> If there's another, I'LL KILL THEM AND YOU I SWEAR TO GOD 15:11 < kanzure> my other sysadmin is jules 15:11 < kanzure> go ahead, kill him 15:11 < jrayhawk> Always planning on it! 15:24 -!- RadiVis_ [~quassel@pD9F8ACD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@nat/google/x-tijeacaldozbszuq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:26 < niftyzero1> cool science publication miner - http://www.brainscanr.com/Search?term_a=anxiety 15:28 < niftyzero1> (and visualizer) 15:38 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 < kanzure> having an organization maintain a list of one-way volunteers would be productive http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/10/1753246 15:49 < kanzure> one-way mars volunteers i mean 15:51 < QuantumG> why? 15:51 < QuantumG> the line forms to the left.. there's no shortage 15:51 < kanzure> an "official" list is something other people can point at when doing fundraising or market projections and other bullshit 15:51 < kanzure> "It Helps" 15:52 < QuantumG> the reason these surveys even exist is that many of the people who wouldn't go are incapable of imagining anyone else going 15:52 < kanzure> no not a survey, a registry :) 15:52 < QuantumG> .. and many of those people still say "oh, it's easy to say you'd go, but I bet when the chips are down they'd back out" 15:53 < QuantumG> I don't think a registry would change that 15:53 < QuantumG> on a similar note.. I had an idea the other day that you might know the answer to 15:54 < QuantumG> isn't there simple biological ways to grow "land" for seasteading? 15:54 < QuantumG> isn't that called "coral" 15:55 < kanzure> not when your ocean depth is 1500m 15:55 < QuantumG> is there a lot of biohacking-seasteading crossover? 15:56 < QuantumG> I'm imagining biohacking an organism that grows coral that floats 15:56 < QuantumG> I'm imagining porous floating blocks. 15:58 < QuantumG> is there a lot of biohacking-seasteading crossover? <- that's the question I figured you'd be able to answer with your fancy meeting log 15:58 < kanzure> nobody is explicitly saying they are interested in projects that hit both themes 15:59 < QuantumG> is there someone in your list with biohacking skills who has expressed any interest in seasteading? 15:59 < kanzure> oh sure 15:59 < kanzure> fenn! get over here 15:59 < kanzure> forrest flanagan 16:02 < mjr> QuantumG is apparently imagining Distress by Egan ;] 16:02 < mjr> which would be funky, 'course 16:03 < joshcryer> kanzure, thanks for the clarification about skdb re gitduino, wasn't following the discussions. 16:03 * kanzure nods 16:03 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_%28novel%29 16:03 < QuantumG> sounds horrible :) 16:03 -!- niftyzero1 [~niftyzero@nat/google/x-tijeacaldozbszuq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:04 * QuantumG adds it to the "to read" list 16:04 < joshcryer> Hmm, I'd like to claim to be one of the first to volunteer a one way mission to Mars... 16:04 < joshcryer> But I'm sure I wasn't the first. 16:04 < mjr> let's just say that the main plot is slightly more far fetched than what one'd expect of Egan 16:04 < kanzure> joshcryer: i don't think you're the type of person who would actually go 16:04 < kanzure> i'm sure there are many that would 16:05 < mjr> but there's ... saner other stuff ;) 16:05 < joshcryer> kanzure, I would. 16:05 -!- Lukas__ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:05 < Lukas__> Hullo 16:05 < joshcryer> It would offer a high probablity of true death, but I think that as long as the odds are better than even I'd do it. 16:06 < QuantumG> gotta die somewhere 16:06 < joshcryer> I'm not particularly afraid of death because even a transition to transhuman means death for who I am currently. 16:06 < joshcryer> (unless I keep a copy of me somewhere that just goes on living a mundane existance without enhancements) 16:06 < QuantumG> (unless you're one of these life extensionists) 16:07 < kanzure> damn life-loving hippies 16:08 < joshcryer> I have made it known that I'll fly on Armadillo's full view suborbital if the cost comes down to $50k. 16:08 < QuantumG> it's funny.. I can't imagine life-extensionists actually saying "I'm just gunna huddle here in my suburban life and try not to die before the next life extension technology comes along that I can afford" but that's probably what they'll do :) 16:09 < joshcryer> I dunno about biological life extension, personally. I think we're going straight to silicon. 16:09 < QuantumG> pfft 16:09 < AlonzoTG> loser. 16:09 < AlonzoTG> Losers settle for silicon. 16:10 < QuantumG> suppose we have hard AI 16:10 < QuantumG> it's just available off the shelf 16:10 < QuantumG> Microsoft Slave 16:10 < AlonzoTG> Okay... (I intend to take a whack at the AI problem my very own self...) 16:10 * joshcryer is waiting for QuantumG to finish the thought 16:11 < AlonzoTG> Mee tooo!! 16:11 < QuantumG> with a bit of brain scanning, or maybe even just manual programming of your defining memories, you can mod Microsoft Slave to be just like you 16:11 < AlonzoTG> So? 16:11 < QuantumG> put it up on your website so everyone can download the joshcryer mod of Microsoft Slave 16:12 < AlonzoTG> I guess I could... 16:12 < kanzure> QuantumG: be careful 16:12 < kanzure> QuantumG: AlonzoTG believes that you are going to enslave him and force him to upload his brain into a computer 16:12 < joshcryer> Fine by me. 16:12 < AlonzoTG> That still doesn't appease the boob obsessed nutcase part of my personality... 16:12 < QuantumG> all you need to do now is ensure that sufficient CPU cycles exist to run joshcryer-Microsoft-Slave 16:13 < joshcryer> joshcryer is very lazy. 16:13 < QuantumG> congratulations, immortality achieved 16:13 < AlonzoTG> No. 16:13 < joshcryer> I'd make an unsuitable slave, and modifications will be necessary. 16:13 < QuantumG> forever people will be saying "gee, that joshcryer guy sure has been alive a long time" 16:13 < kanzure> that thought makes me very worried-- what if microsoft software is still around when whole brain emulation is possible? 16:14 < AlonzoTG> It will be, 16:14 < AlonzoTG> =\ 16:14 < joshcryer> There won't be a Microsoft or Apple. 16:14 < AlonzoTG> Why? 16:14 < kanzure> nintendo and ibm have been around for hundreds of years 16:14 < kanzure> hotels in japan have companies longer than 500 years old 16:14 < QuantumG> well, they'd never call it Microsoft Slave.. it'd be called Microsoft Assistant or maybe some familiar name.. like Bob. 16:14 < kanzure> *older than 500 16:14 < joshcryer> Because they operate in a niche that requires them to do untranscendent things to insure profit. 16:14 < kanzure> QuantumG: no i mean that microsoft will still /exist/ even if they don't write related software 16:15 < joshcryer> In 500 years kanzure? 16:15 < kanzure> i doubt it will be 500 years 16:15 < joshcryer> Maybe as a small niche weblog on a distribute cloud network run by Bill Gates' mind-upload. 16:15 < QuantumG> http://books.google.com/ebooks hmm.. when did Google enter that market? 16:16 < joshcryer> QuantumG, I think some time after they took over recaptcha. 16:16 < joshcryer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_eBookstore 16:16 < joshcryer> Ahh, very recently. 16:16 < kanzure> yeah recaptcha is a great way to take advantage of spam 16:16 < joshcryer> I thought longer. 16:17 < kanzure> although not so good that the books they are translating are not put up on project gutenberg 16:17 < joshcryer> So definitely *after* they took over recaptcha but I think that was awhile ago. 16:18 < joshcryer> kanzure, just more of my untranscendent idea of companies, they want you to use their interface, to scrape your likes and dislikes, and to feed you potential books you may purchase. 16:18 < joshcryer> Good thing is is that google will likely release all that stuff eventually, so it's progress. 16:18 < QuantumG> I drove out to a friend's place the other day.. only an hour or so away from the city, so really not that far, but he has about 6 acres (whatever an acre is) and was telling me about the weeks of work he's put into the place since he bought it 16:19 < QuantumG> made me happy to live in a townhouse 16:19 < joshcryer> Non-restricive copying appears to be a nice aspect of the ebookstore. 16:19 < joshcryer> QuantumG, ha, non-individualist worker drone! 16:19 < joshcryer> What sort of stuff is he putting in? 16:20 < QuantumG> at least there'd be no weeding on Mars 16:20 < QuantumG> (I guess) 16:20 < joshcryer> Or nasty bugs. 16:20 < QuantumG> or snakes 16:20 < joshcryer> You could maybe even end disease. 16:20 < kanzure> most importantly: 16:20 < joshcryer> (transmistable, cancer rates would probably be up there) 16:20 < kanzure> no people 16:21 < QuantumG> well, for it to be a colony I'd assume there'd be a steady supply of immigrants 16:28 < joshcryer> Yeah, a comprehensive immigrant quarantine may not be workable. 16:28 < joshcryer> Stupid diseased people... :P 16:28 < joshcryer> Something like 90% of the US population has herpes. 16:28 < joshcryer> (simplex 1) 16:29 < joshcryer> (ie, intermmant cold sores that don't usually break out for most people) 16:29 < QuantumG> especially considering that a lot of people would be heading to Mars to start colonies 16:29 < QuantumG> not join existing ones 16:29 < joshcryer> Yeah 16:29 < QuantumG> I remember when I got it 16:30 < joshcryer> Must've been a girl that got around. 16:31 < joshcryer> I think I got it from my mom. :/ (Lip kissing in our family, kinda weird, but my mom is my mom.) 16:31 < QuantumG> I ate some leftover satay sticks that a female friend had put in the fridge.. and not told anyone she licked. 16:31 < joshcryer> Nice. 16:32 < joshcryer> Why would someone do that. 16:32 < QuantumG> and I know she had gotten in between then and the time years before when we made out :) 16:32 < joshcryer> I mean, lick but not eat? 16:32 < QuantumG> gotten it in 16:32 < QuantumG> yes.. or put diseased food in my fucking fridge 16:33 < joshcryer> Haha 16:33 < joshcryer> I'm just thinking, that's just bizarre. I hope she at least was a good makeout partner. 16:33 < QuantumG> I was drunk.. a dog would have been a good makeout partner 16:34 < joshcryer> aaaahahahaaaaaaha 16:34 < QuantumG> was drinking punch directly from the punch bowl shortly before 16:34 < Lukas__> Thanks for the Mars link, guys 16:35 < AlonzoTG> om 16:35 < QuantumG> I wonder when Masten/Armadillo are going to start flying already 16:36 < QuantumG> Dave apparently did a tether test of his new vehicle the other day.. no video posted 16:36 < QuantumG> are they that bored with their own efforts already? 16:37 < QuantumG> at least XCOR's incredibly slow pace is obvious to me now 16:38 < QuantumG> although I haven't heard anyone else say it out loud: they are waiting for patents to be granted 16:39 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-24-23-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39 < QuantumG> I wonder if Masten is too.. I can't imagine he's just relying on secrecy to keep his aluminium rocket engine manufacturing technique to himself 16:41 < QuantumG> especially after the company started hemorrhaging staff 16:45 < joshcryer> I'm guessing winter is slowing things down. 16:45 < Lukas__> Where can I go to e-mail someone at NASA to volunteer for the Mars trip? 16:46 < joshcryer> Lukas__, it appears to be a non-NASA thing. 16:46 < QuantumG> "the Mars trip"? 16:46 < QuantumG> there's no Mars trip 16:46 < Lukas__> One way trip 16:46 < QuantumG> it was just a survey 16:46 < Lukas__> D: 16:46 < Lukas__> :( 16:46 < Lukas__> oh ... 16:47 < QuantumG> they do these things because so many people "couldn't possibly imagine" that others would want to do it. 16:47 < joshcryer> I think the numbers are too low. 16:48 < QuantumG> I'd like to see Kickstarter style funding for someone space related... something that you can actually buy with money right now 16:49 < Lukas__> How would you go about doing this? 16:49 < kanzure> weather balloons 16:51 < Lukas__> heh 16:51 < Lukas__> interesting 16:51 < Lukas__> I had an interesting conversation with friends today concerning H+ 16:51 < Lukas__> they are against it 100% 16:52 < Lukas__> they basically stated that once you begin to augment yourself away from societal norms, you give up all hopes of finding a mate 16:52 < Lukas__> and starting a family 16:52 < QuantumG> thank god 16:52 < QuantumG> we need to get more bogans into H+ :) 16:53 < Lukas__> note: these are young men we are talking about, so all they care for are 'teh womanz' 16:53 < Lukas__> xD 16:53 < Lukas__> that is a suitable classification 16:55 < Lukas__> Still, it made me think. Once I start, I'd be hard to go back, and a lot of H+ groups seem to be ... male heavy 16:55 < Lukas__> :/ 16:59 < QuantumG> one could H+ towards being more attractive to the opposite sex.. if that is what one is interested in 16:59 < QuantumG> the direction of the plus is entirely up to you 17:03 < AlonzoTG> I already have little hope of ever finding a mate. =( 17:03 < QuantumG> so ya need a lot of plus 17:03 < AlonzoTG> Why, cuz I'm 33 and have never had sex therefore I must have cooties and therefore being ineligible to have sex. 17:04 < AlonzoTG> I'm not that bad, 17:04 < Lukas__> True, but the H+ direction I was talking about was about energy and information efficiency (radiotrophism, EMF sensing, etc.) This would definitely mean adding weird phenotypes 17:04 < AlonzoTG> I'm in decent shape, I have lots of money, no debt, a big house... 17:04 < Lukas__> really? 17:05 < AlonzoTG> There's a good chance that I'll put away another 3 oz of GOLD tomorrow. 17:05 < Lukas__> I am still unsure whether I will end up like that or not 17:06 < QuantumG> love advice: it's a numbers game. 17:06 < AlonzoTG> ? 17:07 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdftOloAH9Q 17:07 < QuantumG> thankfully, I attract women who always manage to tell me they're interested. This was a good thing (no, a great thing) before I was married.. now it's just embarrassing. 17:08 < joshcryer> god it's going to be great when we have memristor image processing 17:08 < joshcryer> it won't have to scan or process it'll just know 17:08 < AlonzoTG> why? 17:08 < joshcryer> QuantumG, dude hook me up with those wommenz 17:08 < AlonzoTG> I'm attracted to women who turn out to be lesbians. =( 17:09 < Lukas__> :D 17:09 < Lukas__> Here is another thing though 17:09 < Lukas__> what happens if you do get lucky? 17:09 < QuantumG> I'm attracted to women who already are 17:09 < AlonzoTG> dunno, probably won't happen. =( 17:09 < QuantumG> booya 17:09 < Lukas__> I've met only one woman in my life that would accept H+ tech 17:10 < AlonzoTG> I posted a personal on OKCupid, but was too pessimistic, 17:10 < AlonzoTG> Yes I was pessimistic in my ad but that's a fundamental part of my nature at this late stage in my life. =( 17:10 < AlonzoTG> That's the fundamental fuckup in this type of deal, 17:10 < AlonzoTG> it is not a reductionistic problem. 17:10 < AlonzoTG> There are no steps you can take that will get you closer to a solution. 17:11 < AlonzoTG> It is almost entirely the other person's decision. 17:11 < AlonzoTG> If you decide Yes, then it's 100% their decision, 17:11 < AlonzoTG> and they always say no, 17:11 < AlonzoTG> Always. 17:11 < QuantumG> btw, if you want my read advice about women, here it is: fucking run. 17:11 < Lukas__> XD 17:11 < AlonzoTG> I think chemicals in the food and water have totally obliterated the female sexual impulse. 17:11 < Lukas__> lies 17:11 < Lukas__> females are just as sexually charged 17:12 < AlonzoTG> THEN WHY DON'T THEY RESPOND TO MY PERSONALS!!! 17:12 < Lukas__> society would brand them as a 'whore' if they acted as such 17:12 < Lukas__> trust me on this one 17:12 < AlonzoTG> WHY DO WOMEN WHO SEEM PERFECTLY MATCHED, EVEN WILLING TO TALK TO ME, REFUSE TO DATE ME, EVEN ONCE, EVEN FOR TEN MINUTES! 17:12 < QuantumG> that's why you get them alone and tell them secrets 17:12 < Lukas__> .... 17:12 < Lukas__> what? 17:12 < QuantumG> AlonzoTG: is there are picture of you somewhere? 17:13 < AlonzoTG> yeah, taken a few years ago with a first generation webcam.... 17:14 < Lukas__> Look at it this way, should all else fail we can get robots that preform certain .... 17:14 < Lukas__> um 17:14 < Lukas__> .... 17:14 < Lukas__> yea 17:14 < QuantumG> yeah, you're not fuggly or nothin' 17:14 < QuantumG> nerdy to the hilt 17:15 < QuantumG> but there's plenty of women out there who like that 17:15 < QuantumG> advertise yourself as such so they can find you 17:16 < AlonzoTG> translation: pimp yourself. =( 17:17 < QuantumG> the opposite 17:17 < QuantumG> "pimping" in the sense of "pimp my ride" is exactly the opposite of what you should do :) 17:18 < Lukas__> XD 17:18 < AlonzoTG> I was thinking of building a Factory Five pimpmobile. =P 17:18 < QuantumG> that is, if you freakin' insist on having a "relationship" like all the other breeders in the world 17:19 < kanzure> yawn 17:19 < AlonzoTG> I'm kinda trending towards the BYOB school. (buy your own boobies.) 17:19 < Lukas__> XD 17:19 < kanzure> QuantumG: do you have anything better to recommend than http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/david-gross-the-coming-revolutions-in-theoretical-physics 17:19 < kanzure> oops 17:19 < kanzure> i meant http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/steven-squyres-the-mars-exploration-rover-mission-and-water-2005 17:20 < QuantumG> in regards to what? 17:20 < Lukas__> : Aren't there drugs that eliminate sexual desire? 17:20 < kanzure> i don't know.. interesting conference presentations sort of like space manufacturing 14 17:20 < AlonzoTG> My #1 complaint about transexuals is that they settle for atrociously awful technology and surgical techniques. 17:20 < kanzure> penis-to-vagina surgery is very primitive and awful in my opinion 17:21 < AlonzoTG> Exactly. 17:21 < Lukas__> D: 17:21 < Lukas__> that is terrible 17:21 < AlonzoTG> The result is so bad that it is absolutely not worth it... 17:21 < Lukas__> all I want to do is eliminate the ability to be sexually aroused 17:21 < Lukas__> I am fairly sure nothing needs to be cut to do that 17:21 < AlonzoTG> So instead of advancing the state of the art to the next level, they just go straight to the doctor and butcher themselves then act all faggoty about it. 17:22 < QuantumG> kanzure: one sec 17:23 < Lukas__> : D: .... Do ... Not ... Want 17:23 < QuantumG> kanzure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-EhXG5O_w 17:23 < kanzure> ooh 17:24 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/newspace-2010-to-mars-and-beyond 17:24 < AlonzoTG> It's only that last part that I really can't stand. =\ 17:25 < Lukas__> I get what you mean 17:25 < AlonzoTG> I think that is why transexuals and homosexuals are so overrepresented among people who advocate brain uploading. 17:25 < AlonzoTG> Thanks, lucas. 17:25 < Lukas__> Really? That I didn't know 17:25 < Lukas__> thanks for what? 17:25 < AlonzoTG> for understanding. 17:25 < kanzure> QuantumG: ooh http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/why-we-should-colonize-the-moon-with-dennis-wingo-live-show-3-24 17:26 < kanzure> (dennis) 17:27 < QuantumG> is real transexualism possible? 17:27 < QuantumG> kanzure: yeah, that's pretty good 17:27 < AlonzoTG> I wrote an article about that a few years ago. 17:27 < QuantumG> genetic transexualism 17:27 < Lukas__> AlonzoTG: I personally am against removing my male parts, as they serve an important biochemical function, and I don't want my muscle going away :P 17:27 < AlonzoTG> From an essentialist philosophy, no, but existentialism seems to permit it, but it's not easy, not easy at all. 17:28 < AlonzoTG> I don't have any comment about that, 17:28 < AlonzoTG> I respect morphological freedom because I don't want mine to be infringed when I get the opportunity to express more of my inner nutcase. 17:29 < QuantumG> perhaps by suppressing the Y chromosome. 17:29 < Lukas__> So do I, I was just expressing a personal preference 17:29 < AlonzoTG> There are a few modules in the hypothalamus, if you can inactivate those then your sexual urges will go away. 17:29 < QuantumG> do you need two X chromosomes? I mean, are the genes just redundant? 17:30 < Lukas__> : really?! 17:30 < AlonzoTG> Actually, in women there is a phenomenon called X-inactivation, 17:30 < AlonzoTG> They have too many X chromasomes so one of them stays currled up... But it is random which one, 17:31 < AlonzoTG> and those genes also have the codons for eye pigments, so in women, with multiple versions of eye pigments on randomly activated X-chromasomes, you get the phenomenon of tetrachromatic vision... The male children of such women tend to be color blind. 17:32 < Lukas__> Unfair IMO 17:32 < Lukas__> tetrachromic vision would be rad 17:32 < AlonzoTG> Actually, most people are technically tetrachromatic, the thing is that the rod pigment only operates at low light levels and the cone pigment only at high light levels. 17:33 < AlonzoTG> As you have probably experienced, the rod pigment is a shade between green and blue... 17:33 < QuantumG> women -> men would be a lot harder.. adding a whole Y chromosome 17:34 < AlonzoTG> There was a case of an olympic athlete who thought she was a girl, went to be drug tested only to find out that her chromasomes were normatively male, she was simply insensitive to testosterone so never expressed any male charactoristics. 17:34 < QuantumG> Drugs like Depo-Lupron (normally used to fight prostate cancer) and Depo-Provera (used for contraception purposes) lower androgen levels and, thus, sex drive. You can't get them over the counter, though?a specialist will usually administer the drug once a month via injection. 17:37 < Lukas__> O.O 17:37 < Lukas__> thank you 17:37 < Lukas__> I appriciate it 17:37 < AlonzoTG> It would be cool to be able to morph your photreceptors between rods and cones and be able to switch pigments depending on light levels. 17:37 < Lukas__> that would be amazing 17:38 < Lukas__> how about Cryptochrome? 17:38 < Lukas__> that would be amazing 17:38 < AlonzoTG> One of the things about human vision is that the red and green pigments are bunched down near the red end of the spectrum, and then the blue pigment is much higher.... 17:38 < AlonzoTG> Yeah, I am trying to write a book about all my ideas. 17:39 < QuantumG> Androcur is apparently another drug you can use to reduce or eliminate sex drive 17:39 < Lukas__> thanks 17:39 < Lukas__> how expensive are these drugs? 17:40 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androcur 17:41 < QuantumG> check out those side effects 17:42 < Lukas__> Side-effects in men which directly result from its antiandrogenic action include gynecomastia (breast growth), galactorrhea (milk outflow), and erectile dysfunction. 17:42 < Lukas__> fuck 17:42 < kanzure> oh boy another mediocre article 17:42 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/theres-plenty-more-room-bottom-beyond-nanotech-femtotech 17:42 < QuantumG> and it's addictive 17:43 < Lukas__> great .... 17:43 < kanzure> eh it's fairly verbose at least 17:45 < Lukas__> All of these sex drive eliminating drugs basically morph you into a female 17:45 < Lukas__> :( 17:45 < kanzure> because women are sexless? 17:46 < AlonzoTG> I identify with Stanley Tweedle more and more each time I watch Lexx. =( 17:49 < Lukas__> xD 17:51 < Lukas__> hrm, I wonder, myostatin inhibitor + sex drive eliminator? 17:52 < joshcryer> I got hplus.co.cc 17:52 < joshcryer> maybe I'll rant on it about idiots 17:53 < kanzure> the guy from anarchotranshumanism.com is in here.. sometimes 17:53 < joshcryer> is he? 17:53 < joshcryer> I liked his site 17:53 < kanzure> infomorph1 17:53 < kanzure> and it goes without saying that i have access to transhumanism.org now 17:54 < AlonzoTG> There are chemicals that can be used to go in and nuke certain populations of cells... 17:54 < AlonzoTG> but yeah, that's my third project. 17:54 < joshcryer> dunno if it's my internet or my shitty webhost 17:55 < joshcryer> but my site ain't loading :P 17:55 < joshcryer> had an inkling to rant about the mac vs pc lame crap 17:55 < AlonzoTG> first project > AI, 2nd project > neural interface 3rd project >> massive biotech. 17:55 < joshcryer> ugh 17:55 < kanzure> joshcryer: if you write something i'll post it as an article on h+ magazine :P 17:57 < joshcryer> :P 17:57 < joshcryer> my rantings is sadly unsubstantiated dreaming 17:57 < joshcryer> s/is/are 17:58 < QuantumG> my dreamings are annoyingly substantiated 17:59 < joshcryer> hplus.co and hplus.cc are also available 17:59 < QuantumG> random example: the other day I was thinking that even if NASA could buy launches for $1 they'd still be funnelling money to BoeLockMart 17:59 < AlonzoTG> YEah, that's NASA's primary function. 18:00 < QuantumG> ya know how some people say "why is the general public uninterested in NASA/Space/etc?" 18:00 < joshcryer> yes I know 18:00 < joshcryer> I blame the media 18:00 < QuantumG> or sometimes they phrase it as "how can we get people more interested in NASA/Space/etc?" 18:01 < QuantumG> I came up with a nice cynical answer yesterday 18:01 < QuantumG> "maybe they're not suckers like us" 18:01 < QuantumG> maybe they can see that NASA is just a joke agency that has the sole purpose of propping up the aerospace industry between fighter plane projects. 18:02 < joshcryer> you give them too much credit 18:02 < joshcryer> :( 18:02 < kanzure> so uh 18:02 < kanzure> i have to submit some number of paragraphs by tonight 18:02 < QuantumG> I had someone ask me last night if I thought the US really went to the Moon. I said "yes, quite a few times." 18:02 < kanzure> about why you should vote for me for humanity+ board of directors 18:03 < kanzure> does anyone have any clue as to what i should write? 18:03 < QuantumG> kanzure: cause you're the only person who wants the job? 18:03 < kanzure> no there's also ben goertzel, todd huffman, patri friedman, and michael anissimov 18:03 < kanzure> only three will be voted in 18:04 < QuantumG> and then he asked "why'd they never go back?" to which I asked him "why do you think they went in the first place?" "that's why they haven't been back." 18:04 -!- fitzsim [~fitzsim@c-98-234-181-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05 < QuantumG> kanzure: just talk about what you've done in your current term.. dress it up a bit. 18:05 < kanzure> my current term? 18:05 < kanzure> i'm not presently on the board 18:05 < QuantumG> arn't you some humanity+ big wig already? 18:05 < kanzure> i'm a director of r&d, not on the board 18:05 < QuantumG> right, so talk about that 18:06 < joshcryer> You could claim us as your fervent followers. 18:06 < joshcryer> Not that I would back such a claim up. 18:06 < joshcryer> But it's not like they'd check! 18:07 < QuantumG> are any of those others a big a hippie as Goertzel? 18:07 < kanzure> todd huffman.. sort of? 18:08 < QuantumG> kinda sounds like you could win on a "no bullshit" platform 18:08 < QuantumG> "at least you'll know what I'm talking about" 18:08 < joshcryer> QuantumG stop bashing hippies! 18:09 < joshcryer> not defending Goertzel because he's no good :P >:P 18:09 < QuantumG> he's a nice enough guy.. he's just slippery 18:09 < kanzure> should i even bother with this? 18:10 < QuantumG> I think that's what you're really asking us kanzure 18:10 < QuantumG> why do you want the position? 18:10 < QuantumG> we can't answer that for ya I'm thinking 18:10 < kanzure> so that there's at least one reasonable transhumanist on the board 18:10 < kanzure> btw, any of you can apply as well 18:11 < joshcryer> is it a paid position 18:11 < kanzure> no 18:11 < kanzure> public service 18:11 < joshcryer> who wants more responsiblity 18:12 < kanzure> previous nomination statements http://humanityplus.org/about/board/201008elections/ 18:12 < QuantumG> "vote for me because I have no idea what the hell you guys mean by transhumanism and think you're all just masturbating." 18:13 < kanzure> the h+ members picked these guys: howard bloom, thomas mccabe, max more 18:13 < QuantumG> howard bloom is a transhumanist? really? 18:13 < kanzure> not really 18:13 < kanzure> he's on the board but he doesn't do anything 18:13 < QuantumG> I get emails from howard weekly.. I probably talk to him monthly. 18:13 < kanzure> a friend of his nominated him, he found out that everyone voted for him, so he accepted 18:14 < QuantumG> his activities in the space community are admirable.. he gets people to do stuff for him 18:15 < QuantumG> now and then I dial into his conference calls and it's actually hard to get a word in edge-wise with all the people falling over themselves to get shit done 18:15 < Lukas__> Woah, Howard Bloom is a transhumanist? 18:17 < kanzure> is there an echo in here? 18:17 < kanzure> heh 18:17 < QuantumG> that said, the asshole won't learn the lesson about emailing more than one person at a time 18:18 < QuantumG> he cc chains like a teenager 18:18 < kanzure> like me? 18:18 < QuantumG> no, you use mailing lists 18:18 < QuantumG> we set up a mailing list for howard to use and he won't fucking use it 18:18 < gnusha> OMG HOWARD BLOOM IS A TRANSHUMANISM!?!?! 18:18 < kanzure> god damn it the echo is multiplying in power 18:19 < Lukas__> It is exponentially increasing! 18:19 < Lukas__> :O 18:19 < QuantumG> he does most of his work out of a coffee house .. that makes him a transhumanist right? 18:22 < Lukas__> I am checking out 18:22 < Lukas__> cya 18:24 -!- Lukas__ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31 < joshcryer> WHO IS HORWARD BLOOM 18:32 < QuantumG> a transhumanist! 18:34 < QuantumG> hmm 18:34 < QuantumG> so I just put forward public funding of a Falcon 1e to Kickstarter.. I bet they'll tell me it is way too much money for their site. 18:35 < kanzure> no they will say it's business related and reject it 18:35 < QuantumG> you wouldn't make money on it. 18:36 < QuantumG> and I made a good spiel about space advocacy 18:36 < QuantumG> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421256045/diy-desktop-cnc-machine?ref=category 18:36 < QuantumG> how about that 18:37 < kanzure> dunno how it got accepted 18:37 < QuantumG> the whole "pledge $x amount or more" thing is a bitch 18:38 < QuantumG> yeah, please pledge $5 to my $10.9M project 18:38 < QuantumG> that'll help a lot 18:41 < joshcryer> lol 18:41 < joshcryer> you know 18:42 < joshcryer> I might be an ardent anti-capitalist commie anarchist pig 18:42 < joshcryer> but I do appreciate the value if investing in your own efforts 18:42 < joshcryer> with your own hard earned cash 18:42 < QuantumG> of course, "we'll put your name on a flash drive that we launch to space" is pretty freakin' easy reward 18:43 < joshcryer> yya they fixed it 18:43 < joshcryer> http://hplus.co.cc/ 18:43 < joshcryer> :P 18:43 < joshcryer> (nothing there but it loads now :P) 18:43 < joshcryer> I have a half dozen co.cc domains 18:43 < QuantumG> worthless 18:44 < joshcryer> how dare you 18:44 < joshcryer> I set it up last night 18:44 < joshcryer> and I was working on that logo the whole time 18:45 < QuantumG> I just meant .cc 18:45 < joshcryer> hplus.com and hplus.net are taken 18:46 < joshcryer> so it's either spend $20 for hplus.cc or $30 for hplus.co 18:46 < joshcryer> or nothing for hplus.co.cc 18:46 < joshcryer> and if you know me I am a fucking cheapskate from hell ;) 18:46 * joshcryer lurks 19:03 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-98-239-176-78.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- niftyzero1_ is now known as niftyzero1 19:43 < AlonzoTG> om 19:47 < delinquentme> AlonzoTG, meditating? 19:49 < JayDugger> joshcryer--one H. Bloom's a transhumanist, though he tends to the Californian-hippy strain. 19:49 < JayDugger> joshcryer--another H. Bloom's a humanist, of the literary classics and history sort. 19:50 < JayDugger> QG--how about putting server-sky testing on kickstarter? 19:52 < JayDugger> kanzure--Don't bother with any more distractions than you can help. While tempting, you've plenty of time later in life to do public service. Concentrate on skdb. 19:54 < kanzure> so kartik wants humanity+ to take on 'the water liberation prize' described on http://gadaprize.org/ 19:54 < kanzure> but he wants it to be so that h+ awards $50k to someone who makes that device, 19:54 < kanzure> and they get to patent the device or whatever and go make a company 19:54 < kanzure> the paperwork that i have to do is minimal.. basically writing a 4 page document or something 19:54 < kanzure> but i'm not too excited about it since it's not directly transhumanist 19:54 < JayDugger> Up to you. 19:55 < JayDugger> That would make some fame if successful, but what H+ character does that have? 19:55 < JayDugger> Anyhow, time to commute. 19:55 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 19:55 < kanzure> $50k isn't a lot of money 20:44 < kanzure> rsync doesn't seem to preserve timestamps by default 20:44 < kanzure> jrayhawk: any hints? 20:45 < jrayhawk> -a 20:46 < jrayhawk> which is actually more complicated than preserving timestamps, but it's what you want almsot all of the time 20:48 < kanzure> ah rsync doesn't fix timestamps. /me starts over (it's only 2MB so far anyway) 20:48 < kanzure> you're looking at the world's worst consumer broadband connection 20:48 < kanzure> 15 kbps upload, hell yeah! 20:49 < jrayhawk> I think you can hit that with v.92 20:50 < kanzure> can't touch this 20:50 < kanzure> na-nanana can't touch this 20:50 < jrayhawk> at least on low-entropy text 20:50 < kanzure> consumer broadband in the u.s. sucks 20:50 < jrayhawk> -z might also be useful to you 20:51 < kanzure> if patri can get 100mbps connections out to his seastead i'm going in a heartbeat 20:51 < kanzure> yeah i'm using -z 20:51 < kanzure> rsync -Cavz 20:51 < jrayhawk> You can probably build a pipe that uses lz or xz or bz instead 20:53 < kanzure> good night 21:09 < delinquentme> is it hard to engineer plants which glow? 21:20 < QuantumG> depends on what you consider "hard" 21:22 < delinquentme> hah so yeah id need advanced training and equip? 21:37 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 21:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-98-239-176-78.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43 < QuantumG> my understanding is that amateurs have done it --- Log closed Tue Jan 11 00:00:04 2011