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04:47 < archels> ``I don’t deny that if one is able to believe in a loving god, it might be comforting.  Especially to someone who is, in Darwinian terms, sexually unattractive, and gets no human partner, so remains unloved [...]''
04:47 < archels> lol (Hugo DeGaris)
05:07 < Twerpling> Thats kinda brutal
05:12 < uniqanomaly_> i guess 'he, she & jesus' may be projection of gay fantasy
05:13 < uniqanomaly_> or just watching someones girl with someone else
05:13 < uniqanomaly_> haha
05:15 < uniqanomaly_> i dunno why Hugo deGaris havent just cut it to 'loving god is for idiots'
05:54 < kanzure> lame/boring
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08:30 < kanzure> heh a synthetic biology company called 'GeneWorks'
08:31 < kanzure> oops looks like someone is already on that http://www.geneworks.com.au/
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08:37 < Lukas__> Hugo deGaris trolls?
08:45 < dbolser> fruit flies trolls?
08:53 < Utopiah> Nature : "From Geek to Chic" http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/2010/100107/pdf/nj7277-125a.pdf
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09:35 < kanzure> Utopiah: haha, equating "PhD after a name" to "genius" is questionable
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09:47 < kanzure> hi Matvey
09:48 < Matvey> Hey Bryan
09:48 < Matvey> and everyone
09:51 < kanzure> can you remind me what your specific issues were?
09:52 < dbolser>  /nick dr_dbolser
09:58 < kanzure> Matvey: what were the issues you were trying to solve?
09:59 < Matvey> sorry was a little afk
09:59 < Matvey> the issue was with the script that estanlishes NE1 environment
10:00 < Matvey> apperantly some packages it refers to are out of repositories, at least ubuntu's
10:00 < Matvey> but I can install them manually, no prob
10:01 < kanzure> what were the problems from before?
10:01 < Matvey> from what before?
10:03 < kanzure> what were the problems with running NE1 that you needed to use compile_nanoengineer?
10:06 < Matvey> none, I made a clean linux box as you suggested
10:06 < Matvey> from the very before is irrelevant - this was on another linux instance
10:07 < Utopiah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ExaP41tR8
10:12 < kanzure> Matvey: ok. then cd into nanoengineer/cad/src/ and type: python main.py
10:13 < Matvey> I've not set up the environment in the box yet, so, it'll report PyQt missing. I will try it again later this evening
10:15 < kanzure> sudo apt-get install python-qt
10:15 < Matvey> yup :) new version will it be?
10:15 < kanzure> right
10:16 < Matvey> so, this is one we need to fix?
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10:20 < Matvey> maybe 'python-qt4'?
10:24 < kanzure> what?
10:24 < kanzure> no this is what you need to install first.
10:24 < kanzure> python-qt4 is fine, yes
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10:36 < Lukas_> Good morning
10:36 < Lukas_> afternoon
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11:00 < Matvey> ended up with "ImportError: No module named QtOpenGL". However, I installed every lib from package manager containing words 'OpenGL' and 'Qt' and every lib from the script that is available
11:05 < kanzure> you don't need every single library, just python-qt4-gl
11:10 < kanzure> http://70.32.108.164/~hplus/?p=1437
11:10 < kanzure> at first i thought i was doing something wrong.. but then i checked hplusmagazine.com and realized it looks like that all the time (wtf)
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11:15 < Matvey> strangely, this one wasn't installed
11:15 < Matvey> now all works
11:15 < Matvey> but I didn't expect it to
11:15 < kanzure> how much of it works?
11:15 < Matvey> i got the main window
11:16 < kanzure> on the top-left click the 'Build' button, then choose 'Atoms', then choose 'C' on the menu on the left-hand side (for carbon), then try drawing some carbon atoms..
11:16 < kanzure> for me, it fails to draw atoms
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11:26 < Matvey> yes, a lot of exceptions
11:26 < kanzure> so no atoms?
11:28 < Matvey> no atoms and visualizaton pane freezed now
11:31 < Matvey> ask my peer who's experienced with Qt if he can advise something
11:32 < kanzure> "The Prisoner's Smellemma" awful.. but here's a pdf of the biotic games paper (has been in the news) http://www.stanford.edu/group/riedel-kruse/publications/Riedel_2011_LabChip.pdf
11:32 < kanzure> Matvey: ok.
11:49 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/a-shift-a-documentary-on-fablab-in-the-netherlands
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12:06 < Lukas_> How is that programming thing going?
12:06 < kanzure> which one
12:10 < Lukas_> That project from yesterday
12:11 < kanzure> :/
12:12 < kanzure> what?
12:15 < Lukas_> Nanoengineer, I think
12:15 < kanzure> theirix's git repo was fixed http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer-theirix
12:16 < Lukas_> Nice
12:16 < Lukas_> I would ask what the problem was, but I wouldn't understand the answer
12:17 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2011-01-19-1356-nanoengineer.png
12:17 < kanzure> well,
12:17 < kanzure> the git daemon he was using was horrendously old and couldn't really deal with the massive size of nanoengineer.git
12:17 < kanzure> so pulling even a 100kb git object from him was taking more than 20min.. when it should take something like 5sec
12:18 < Lukas_> ah
12:18 < Lukas_> well, I was incorrect, I actually understood that  :P
12:19 < kanzure> Lukas_: you're into youtube, right? technologiclee did a video of nanoengineer in action, a tutorial or something
12:19 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfXzTrwI3c
12:19 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcwY5pSXZs
12:19 < Lukas_> excellent, thank you
12:22 < AlonzoTG1> om
12:23 < Matvey> Bryan: your pulled from Eugene into the separate rep?
12:24 < kanzure> Matvey: no, eugene pushed into the separate repo, then i pulled into nanoengineer.git
12:24 < Matvey> looks like they're copies
12:24 < Matvey> ok got it
12:24 < kanzure> that's because i updated nanoengineer.git with his changes
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12:38 < Lukas_> This is amazing
12:39 < kanzure> yeah, did you catch the image gallery of previous things made in NE? http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50
12:41 < Lukas_> O_O ... how expensive would it be to actually construct those molecules?
12:45 < Matvey> given required state of art in assembling techniques - yes
12:45 < Matvey> you could design some with today's technologies in mind -- then you'll be able to assemble it right away
12:45 < kanzure> robert freitas published something the other day that estimated $1 billion
12:46 < kanzure> but i think he's over-estimating because that's roughly the price if you go through typical tech development means.. intellectual property, buying patents, all that proper stuff
12:47 < Matvey> that's a good question - if you're able to make the whole nanoassembler as a single directed engineer project, or is it require some kind of free scientific search?
12:48 < kanzure> single directed engineering project
12:48 < kanzure> for scientific research, he has a list of things that need to get done:
12:48 < kanzure> http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Challenges.htm
12:50 < kanzure> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2011/01/what-would-it-cost-to-develop-a-nanofactory/
12:50 < Matvey> we're going to wheedle some petrobillions out of Russian government for that :)
12:50 < kanzure> "What will it cost to develop a nanofactory? Let’s assume research funds are spent in a completely focused manner toward the goal of a primitive diamondoid nanofactory that could assemble rigid diamondoid structures involving carbon, hydrogen, and perhaps a few other elements."
12:50 < kanzure> "In this case, we estimate that an ideal research effort paced to make optimum use of available computational, experimental, and human resources would probably run at a $1–5 M/yr level for the first 5 years of the program, ramp up to $20–50 M/yr for the next 6 years, then finish off at a ~$100 M/yr rate culminating in a simple working desktop nanofactory appliance in year 16 of a ~$900 M effort."
12:50 < kanzure> "Of course the bulk of this work, after the initial 5 year period, would be performed by people, companies, and university groups recruited from outside the Nanofactory Collaboration."
12:50 < kanzure> "The key early milestone is to demonstrate positionally-controlled carbon placement on a diamond surface by the end of the initial 5 year period."
12:50 < kanzure> "We believe that successful completion of this key experimental milestone would make it easier to recruit significant additional financial and human resources to undertake the more costly later phases of the nanofactory development work."
12:51 < kanzure> i have no idea how he came up with those numbers though
12:51 < kanzure> the quote is from http://www.nanomedicine.com/Papers/Aging.pdf
12:51 < Matvey> 1b is a nice round number :)
12:52 < Matvey> will be back in 5 minutes
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13:00 < kanzure> http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-sputnik-moment.html
13:00 < kanzure> "Suppose some manufacturing backwater suddenly started turning out superb jet engines, or even a whole new fighter plane. Just as a matter of competitive interest, other manufacturers would no doubt arrange to get their hands on a few samples and check out their quality."
13:00 < kanzure> "I expect that more than a few "national security" inquiries would also be made. What they discover blows their mind: the fan blades, the compressor, the combustion chambers, even the cowling, are all made from materials they've never seen before. Parts of the combustion chambers even appear to be made of perfectly shaped diamond."
13:00 < kanzure> "By releasing these products onto the market, the protagonist has demonstrated a highly functional molecular nanotechnology manufacturing system. This is a massive breakthrough, and it would be completely unexpected."
13:01 < kanzure> "You don't think a functioning molecular nanotechnology manufacturing system would be a blow to national pride (the US has been funding nanotechnology research for *decades*), or have massive military implications (they can make *anything*, including weapons no-one else can make)?"
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13:06 < Lukas_> That mall country would have to be well funded in order to do that
13:06 < Lukas_> small*
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13:42 < kanzure> Matvey: what do rtd/rtm members think about diybio/biohacking?
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13:44 < Twerpling> what is rtd/rtm?
13:44 < kanzure> Российское Трансгуманистическое Движение
13:45 < kanzure> http://transhumanism-russia.ru/
13:45 < kanzure> and http://transhuman.ru/
13:47 < Matvey> Bryan, mostly they dont know what is that
13:47 < kanzure> do you know?
13:47 < Matvey> the average transhuman educational level among RTM member is rather low
13:48 < kanzure> http://diybio.org/
13:48 < Matvey> I have an a vague understanding
13:48 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/diybionews
13:48 < kanzure> i see. a diybio-moscow group would be really amazing to see
13:48 < kanzure> especially if you or danila was heading it up
13:48 < Matvey> honestly, I heard this word firstly from you :)
13:49 < Matvey> before I couldn't imagine that diy have a place in transhumanism, when every new technology is more and more complex
13:49 < Matvey> but know I think its pretty cool
13:50 < Matvey> what we have is a small but dedicated group onto wereable (you know Yana)
13:50 < kanzure> wait, do i know yana?
13:51 < kanzure> peter yanakiev at diybio-boston?
13:51 < Matvey> yanaflash? or something like that
13:51 < kanzure> or Яна Бочарова <telegamochka@mail.ru>
13:51 < Matvey> yes,second
13:51 < kanzure> no
13:51 < kanzure> i don't
13:51 < Matvey> you might be interested in meeting her, she is very DIY
13:52 < kanzure> cool
13:52 < Matvey> also we have a bunch of conventional academic and industry biotech guys, with labs and stuff
13:52 < Matvey> but they're not DIY as far as I understand
13:54 < Matvey> say, what useful biotech things we can manufacture today DIY-style?
13:55 < kanzure> in terms of lab equipment.. here's a list: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml
13:56 < kanzure> i dunno how to give a good overview of wetware experiments that have been carried out though
13:57 < Twerpling> You can pretty much make a lab capable of doing reasonable science using DIYBio equipment
13:57 < kanzure> people are slowly working up to genetic engineering but right now we need to make open source hardware infrastructure for basic lab equipment.. instead of paying $50,000 for lab equipment, we can build it for $500, etc.
13:57 < Twerpling> By reasonable I mean nothing spectacular but rather cool things
13:59 < kanzure> lab-on-a-chip devices are definitely DIYable
14:00 < kanzure> here's a list of diy transhuman tech projects:
14:00 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/diytranshuman_projects.v3.txt
14:00 < QuantumG> Lukas_: I disagree.. just a small amount of funding in the *right* direction (whatever that is) would lead to a molecular nanotechnology breakthrough.
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14:01 < kanzure> QuantumG: what do you think about freitas' $1B estimate?
14:01 < kanzure> he has a rather thorough outline of TODO things that need to get done before he has a working molecular nanofactory but.. that doesn't mean he knows the cheapest ways or market rates
14:02 < QuantumG> I haven't heard it, but I'm sure Freitas could do something with that much money.
14:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: scroll up- it's in your backlog (before i quoted your blog post)
14:03 < QuantumG> ahh ok.  Well that's a little too much money to raise privately.. so he's doomed to writing funding requests
14:03 < QuantumG> $15M/year I mean
14:04 < QuantumG> $15M for the first 5 years and then $15M/year might be doable privately
14:04 < kanzure> tons of pharma companies raise hundreds of millions for drugs even before they are through FDA testing
14:04 < QuantumG> they have a history of success
14:05 < kanzure> yes but in proportion to the returns that nanotechnology could bring, blah blah blah
14:05 < kanzure> i'm assuming my argument there is obvious
14:05 < kanzure> (brb)
14:06 < QuantumG> you'd have to start smaller I think.. really prove you can do interesting work under non-academic conditions
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14:08 < Lukas_> I agree QuantumG
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14:08 < Lukas_> theory is nice, but unless you are really, really convincing, very few people will invest
14:09 < QuantumG> on the other hand, buying expensive equipment isn't that hard to find funding for
14:09 < QuantumG> .. cause there's always resale value :)
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14:12 < Lukas_> I suppose
14:13 < Lukas_> Something is bound to give - between the efforts of DIYers and 'official' R&D engineers we are going to get some sort of nanotechnology
14:14 < Lukas_> My only real fear is legislation
14:14 < Twerpling> Legislation in what manner?
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14:17 < Lukas_> Like what is happening in Russia
14:18 < Lukas_> things that will lock down entire areas of science and technology
14:21 < kanzure> this amuses me http://etbe.coker.com.au/2011/01/19/conferences-autism-spectrum/
14:21 < kanzure> "No initiationRedPlease do not initiate any interaction with me."
14:21 < Twerpling> I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with what is going on in Russia. Are they legislating on moral grounds, i.e. "We should not play god" or what have you?
14:21 < Twerpling> IP?
14:22 < Lukas_> To be honest, I have no idea what grounds they are basing their legislation on.  I am not to familiar with Russian politics or society
14:22 < Lukas_> but I'd imagine that is what would happen in my country
14:23  * strages wonders why there isn't #openmanufacturing
14:24 < QuantumG> because the mailing list is retarded enough?
14:24 < kanzure> strages: this is it.
14:25 < kanzure> the mailing list is kind of retarded, though
14:25 < kanzure> it missed the gravy train so there's been the same number of users for the past 1.5 years
14:28 < strages> ah
14:28 < kanzure> .. more or less. i guess 1 new user every 5 days, which is colossally slow
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14:34 < Twerpling> Hey we are doing the same thing in Baltimore
14:34 < Twerpling> I think on the 13th
14:34 < Twerpling> Of February
14:37 < strages> awesome, let me know how yours turns out
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15:15 < kanzure> structural biology rap http://www.youtube.com/user/sciencerapper#p/u/1/PLsrZ47vbe4
15:18 < kanzure> ed boyden's doing a 2011 TED talk
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15:20 < delinquentme> any good examples of breadboard tutorials :D
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15:37 < kanzure> i think we're mentioned in here somewhere
15:37 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/richard-thieme-hacking-biohacking-and-the-future-of-humanity
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15:48 < QuantumG> this guy is a nut
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15:53 < QuantumG> I know he's speaking english, I'm just waiting for him to actually convey some meaning
15:55 < QuantumG> if I was into smoking weed, I'd ask this guy where he gets his from.
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16:04 < delinquentme> hahaha
16:04 < delinquentme> putting it on my to watch list!
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16:27 < QuantumG> kanzure: it's not "we" that is mentioned, it's you.  40 minutes in
16:33 < kanzure> i didn't watch it :x
16:33 < kanzure> what does he say?
16:36 < QuantumG> go to 40 mins in and just watch that bit
16:37 < QuantumG> he basically says you say that "it's not real hacking unless you can do it without a lab"
16:37 < QuantumG> meaning a non-diy lab
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17:42 < kanzure> how'd that happen to fenn?
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17:43 < kanzure> hi fenn
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17:57 < kanzure> hm i wonder where http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/protocols/pcr.xml went
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18:09 < kanzure> Juul: how goes biologi garagen
18:09 < Juul> kanzure, seems like things are happening, but i'm not actively involved right now, since i'm all the way over here in the bay area
18:10 < Juul> looking forward to biocurious launch though
18:10 < Juul> what are you working on these days?
18:11 < kanzure> 1) getting skdb back on the web and functional http://gnusha.org/skdb/
18:11 < kanzure> 2) nanoengineer (open-source nanotech cad) http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer
18:12 < kanzure> 3) gitduino.com, an open source hardware hosting server.. site.. thing
18:12 < Juul> great :)
18:12 < kanzure> a few other things i'm forgetting, i'm sure..
18:12 < Juul> i'm not sure what a nanotech cad is though?
18:12 < kanzure> software to design and simulate this:
18:12 < kanzure> http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50
18:13 < Juul> interesting
18:14 < kanzure> organizing some funds ($80,000?) for diybio/transhumanism/reprap stuff
18:14 < kanzure> but that's not Official yet..
18:14 < Juul> ok
18:14 < Juul> is anyone implementing designs like those yet?
18:15 < kanzure> no but they are trying and have plans
18:15 < Juul> ok
18:16 < Juul> hrm
18:16 < kanzure> http://foresight.org/ is a good hub for that i guess.
18:16 < Juul> half of jbei is offline due to power work
18:16 < Juul> i think i'll go to noisebridge
18:16 < kanzure> here's freitas' and merckle's research plan http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Challenges.htm
18:16 < kanzure> have fun
18:17  * Juul bookmarks for later reading
18:17 < Juul> thanks
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18:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, thats REAL??
18:22 < delinquentme> the molecular gearbox
18:22 < kanzure> no it's just a theoretical study
18:23 < QuantumG> it's unfunded
18:23 < delinquentme> Ohhhh ok
18:23 < QuantumG> but it's "real" in the sense that they believe that's what needs to be done
18:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm confused; cleaning up the bad commits in skdb.git looks relatively easy to me, especially if i apply the same changes to my local skdb.git, revert ikiwiki's working directory, then revert /srv/git/skdb.git.. am i missing the hard part?
18:24 < delinquentme> arent there lots of bonds going on there that would like shove the gears apart?
18:24 < kanzure> QuantumG: it's partially funded btw
18:24 < kanzure> delinquentme: no, that's why they studied the concept
18:24 < QuantumG> yeah.. the theoretical work :)
18:24 < kanzure> institute for molecular manufacturing http://www.imm.org/
18:24 < kanzure> actually they have also done hard-science experimental projects
18:24 < delinquentme> GOD humans
18:24 < delinquentme> impossibly smart
18:24 < delinquentme> and people actually spend time watching the jersey shore
18:25 < delinquentme> f Me.
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18:33 < jrayhawk> s/revert/reset/, yes
18:35 < jrayhawk> It'd probably be easiest to git config receive.denyNonFastForwards false on everything, push +master:master to ikiwiki, push +master:master to the bare repo, then turn denyNonFastForwards back on
18:35 < kanzure> that seems deceptively easy..
18:36 < kanzure> btw what's the +master:master syntax for? obviously something about branch master.. but?
18:36 < jrayhawk> that's to force an update to a non-child ref
18:37 < jrayhawk> +master:master is disrespectful to your ancestors!
18:37 < kanzure> by 'reset' the ikiwiki repo, what do you mean? i was going to do 'git reset --hard HEAD^something'
18:38 < jrayhawk> Yeah, 'reset' and not 'revert'
18:38 < jrayhawk> you kept using the word 'revert' like it meant 'reset'
18:38 < kanzure> and revert should only be used to refer to situations where you change the working directory but not the git object store?
18:39 < kanzure> *'revert'
18:39 < jrayhawk> uh, reset doesn't modify the object store
18:39 < jrayhawk> a committed revert will presumably create one more object
18:40 < kanzure> oh right, reverts get committed. i remember seeing those. i don't use them often, so that's probably why i didn't realize what i was saying
18:40 < jrayhawk> --force master is a slightly more obvious form of +master:master
18:41 < kanzure> your jedi mind tricks have no effect on me
18:41 < delinquentme> what form of git are you guys using ?? never seen +master:
18:41 < kanzure> jedi git
18:42 < delinquentme> ha guess so
18:42 < delinquentme> ive just started using git rebase -i
18:42 < delinquentme> thats a sweet tool
18:42 < jrayhawk> your sad devotion to an ancient command line flag has not helped conjure up clean refs, nor given you clairvoyance enough to remember the distinction between revert and reset
18:43 < kanzure> -i is for wimps, real men memorize which hashes they want
18:44 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i used to recite the star wars episode iv script during gym class as a way to overcome boredom :(
18:44 < delinquentme> HA
18:45 < delinquentme> jrayhawk, you're the one who said "git revert --hard HEAD
18:45 < jrayhawk> where?
18:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: are we sure these spurious merges won't show up again? i can test with some extra stuff to commit
18:48 < jrayhawk> Well, I rebuiltrepo, so no, not unless you go screwing around with the hooks again.
18:48 < kanzure> so no we're not sure?
18:49 < jrayhawk> oh, sorry, yes I am sure they won't happen again provided yadda yadda yadda
18:49 < kanzure> cool
18:49 < kanzure> the merges are pretty weird too
18:49 < jrayhawk> I think they happened during the time you were rewriting post-update in various incomplete ways.
18:49 < kanzure> da5ab4f1260637998f02e3bdc417a4ed20177ff7 merges f5d0b4f (ikiwiki initial commit) and c446 a commit from march 2010 from me
18:50 < jrayhawk> Oh ,that was probably from back when you deleted that git hook
18:50 < kanzure> da5ab is from 2011-01-07
18:53 < kanzure> lol how can f1b4c merge 48821c4 and a7d69 when a7d69 was committed 30sec in the future (after f1b4c)
18:54 < jrayhawk> somebody's clock is drifting
18:55 < kanzure> do'h.. you're right. when my keyboard spasms my clock gets screwed up, sometimes i have to reset it once a month
18:55 < kanzure> forgot about that.
18:55 < jrayhawk> that's... interesting.
18:55 < kanzure> i'm a magnet for all kinds of problems
18:55 < kanzure> i'm what you would call a "trouble user"
18:56 < jrayhawk> you might try booting with nohpet
18:56 < jrayhawk> laptop makers fuck up hpet a lot for some reason :(
18:57 < kanzure> ubuntu users agree with your nohpet recommendation for my specific laptop model http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1400432
18:57 < kanzure> uh i guess it's on the next page or something. doesn't matter that much.
18:58 < jrayhawk> My laptop also has hpet issues, though I guess I haven't tried it since upgrading the BIOS
18:59 < jrayhawk> And my last laptop from a completely different manufacturer also also had hpet issues
19:00 < jrayhawk> and my old nforce2 system was so bad that the NTP project called it unusable
19:00 < jrayhawk> http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/KnownHardwareIssues#Section_9.1.7.
19:01 < jrayhawk> it had the funny property that it would attempt to switch ACPI sleep states multiple times in the same clock cycle and doublefault the system
19:01 < kanzure> in retrospect i'm pretty proud of the ridiculous git work i did on nanoengineer.git
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19:01 < jrayhawk> yes, well, that's because you're insane
19:01 < kanzure> jrayhawk: heh, dmesg just spat out: [215434.914481] ACPI Exception (battery-0385): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20090320]
19:02 < jrayhawk> err, not sleep states, power states
19:02 < jrayhawk> c2 and c0
19:02 < kanzure> all sorts of wonderful crap in dmesg.
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19:06 < kanzure> wtf? git rebase --onto 5f6d9b867167d11fe371e316e8975b8ad3bd501f 6770014a8d06d15fda9b5d31159d1a4b52b66b79
19:06 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think that should do it, can you double check that for me? gnusha:/home/bryan/code/crazy_skdb/
19:07 < kanzure> all of the merges from ikiwiki are gone, though, including the 'Initial content.' commit
19:07 < jrayhawk> sounds fine
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19:07 < kanzure> all that i did was rebase --onto (commit prior to latest fucked up merge) (latest commit that i legitimately made)
19:08 < jrayhawk> Assuming there's nothing inbetween those that you care about, that seems fine.
19:09 < kanzure> so ikiwiki was merging my commits each time, and wasn't complaining that i wasn't using its HEAD?
19:09 < kanzure> maybe i had receive.denyNonFastForwards off..
19:09 < jrayhawk> Most likely it was unable to push due to some permissions issue, so it was just pulling in and merging stuff until I rebuiltrepo
19:09 < jrayhawk> Or that. I don't remember exactly what you did a year ago.
19:09 < kanzure> a year ago?
19:12 < kanzure> where is the ikiwiki working directory? /home/ikiwiki-skdb/ is blank, /srv/www/diyhpl.us/skdb/ has no .git folder
19:13 < kanzure> /srv/ikiwiki/skdb/doc/
19:14 < kanzure> /srv/www/diyhpl.us/skdb/doc/index/index.html so i guess this one?
19:16 < gnusha> d3a6b04 first go at a new web presence
19:18 < kanzure> fenn: sorry for all the trouble this is going to cause you when you pull..
19:29 < kanzure> oh crud.
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19:39 < kanzure> fenn: i recommend git reset --soft origin/master; git pull origin master
19:39 < kanzure> i'm assuming you have no new commits
19:40 < kanzure> also git reset HEAD arbitrary_file.mdwn to unstage the ikiwiki cruft you pulled in :/
19:43 < gnusha> fb354b6 2010-01-21 - fix skdb package import call for units unit test
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20:13 < kanzure> ian is claiming hod lipson's report to the white house on personal fabrication is not relevant to diybio
20:13 < kanzure> hrm.
20:15 < QuantumG> 3d printing microchannels?
20:15 < kanzure> making your own lab equipment?
20:15 < kanzure> open source hardware?
20:15 < kanzure> personal fabrication?
20:17 < kanzure> "it's generic maker"
20:19 < QuantumG> whatever, just make some genetically engineered pets already
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20:24 < kanzure> NewOrgan Prize http://mfoundation.org/?pn=mj_neworgan_prize
20:24 < kanzure> "Our newest prize will be awarded to the first research team who successfully construct and transplant a whole new organ made from a patient's own cells."
20:24 < kanzure> "by 2020"
20:28 < kanzure> what's the prize money? hah
20:28 < kanzure> $10M
20:31 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/04/methuselah-foundation-has-new-organ.html
20:31 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvxiANklVIc
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20:42 < ybit> phreedom: time for some fun
20:42 < ybit> kanzure: you were telling me about the flood gates being opened?
20:42 < ybit> er, you having access beyond paywall...
20:42 < kanzure> not quite :) i have access.
20:42 < kanzure> what i would prefer to do is an irc bot for fetching papers
20:43 < ybit> phreedom and i discussed a p2p torrent like underground community where we continually fetch the latest papers..
20:43 < ybit> diyhpl.us/papers/ but for only people with a password?
20:44 < ybit> ..just to avoid dummies complaining
20:44 < kanzure> i don't think the software infrastructure is there quite yet
20:44 < ybit> of course
20:45 < kanzure> paperleaks should really be about journal leaks
20:45 < ybit> btw... i'm going ahead with genebay
20:45 < jrayhawk> I can set up a client cert system for that pretty quick.
20:45 < kanzure> people should run pyscholar/irc-bot gateways on their local network; torrenting results and publishing it to a private tracker network seems ok to me
20:46 < kanzure> ybit: did you figure out how to smooth over the kinks in the business model?
20:46 < ybit> i don't imagine it will make much money, the only kink i noticed was not building the site and following up with the businesses
20:47 < ybit> to that end, no and no, but i'm working on it
20:47 < kanzure> *shrug* you might be able to get igem teams on board but really their synthesis requirements are low since they are shipped lots of biobricks
20:48 < kanzure> ybit: there just didn't seem to be a reason for synthesis companies to be involved at all..
20:48 < ybit> oh, yeah, fuck biobasic
20:48 < kanzure> s/reason/incentive/
20:49 < ybit> yeah yeah, i don't think the other companies care so much
20:50 < ybit> the incentive is more visibility
20:51 < kanzure> the way to do that.. would be to say genebay is a marketer, show that it can bring in customers, and then threaten to take away their business unless they can offer a better deal :P
20:52 < ybit> the snag is that people can jump the middle-man, us, and go straight to a company. i have a feeling this is going to happen often, but oh well. i'm not in it to make money
20:52 < kanzure> what are you in it for?
20:53 < ybit> i have no experience on my resume in building sites, i'm going to fix this
20:53 < kanzure> ybit: how about http://diyhpl.us:9000/random
20:55 < ybit> that's certainly something i want to develop. i will probably develop my own personal site first, genebay second, then move on to humcie
20:55 < ybit> at which point, i'm free for other projects
20:56 < kanzure> i don't see the point in doing genebay if it's not to make it a business and not only that, it's lame and nobody wants to use it if it's not actually giving you multiple pennies off per basepair..
20:56 < ybit> ya know... humcie and gitduino are very similar in ideas, i wouldn't mind combining efforts
20:57 < kanzure> what?
20:58 < ybit> the idea behind humcie is all about project management for the diy science community
20:59 < ybit> which is going to be very similar in concept to gitduino
20:59 < kanzure> no.
20:59 < ybit> gitduino == skdb, no?
20:59 < kanzure> humcie sounds more like openpario
20:59 < kanzure> http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/
21:00 < ybit> wow, awesome
21:01 < gnusha> 86f9404 packages aren't necessarily going to be python packages on the first round
21:01 < ybit> okay, you are right
21:01 < kanzure> huzzah
21:02 < ybit> :P
21:02 < kanzure> my worthless knowledge of awful web apps comes in handy for once..
21:14 < kanzure> ybit: i didn't mean to be harsh.
21:26 < ybit> you weren't
21:35 < ybit> ..as bad as you typically are. i only sobbed into my pillow 5 mins this time :)
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22:28 < kanzure> hmm
22:28 < kanzure> gnusha.org/packages/packagename/ or gnusha.org/skdb/packages/ ?
22:28 < kanzure> where should the package 'mirror' be placed?
22:39 < kanzure> uh. i meant the 'package mirror' not a package named 'mirror'
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22:44 < gnusha> 84efa3b skdb-get is now moderately functional again (try lego)
22:44 < kanzure> usage: skdb-get lego
22:45 < kanzure> i've switched it from using http://designfiles.org/packages/ to git://packages.gnusha.org/package_name.git for now
22:47 < kanzure> on a related note..
22:48 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego
23:07 < jrayhawk> I'm now competing with CIA-56 for the last person in #hplusroadmap
23:07 < jrayhawk> i refuse to be beaten by a bot
23:09 < jrayhawk> I suppose I did cheat a little by rebooting the machine fenn was using.
23:10 < kanzure> is CIA-56 still in there?
23:11 < jrayhawk> SUCCESS
23:12 < kanzure> victory music
23:12 < jrayhawk> Suck it, unfeeling logical construct!
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