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04:10 < Lukas___> Good morning guys
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05:17 < fenn> "up"grading to maverick brough the usual flu-like symptoms, decided to get rid of all that pulseaudio crap and switched to "moc"
05:18 < fenn> moc is at first glance a pretty decent console based music player
05:41 < Lukas___> Why?
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06:24 < fenn> well, for one i dont have to worry bout X since it's running in a screen session
06:24 < fenn> but mostly because of cpu usage. audacious was doing something like 50% of the cpu
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08:13 < strages> local open manufacturing meetup is tonight, I'm super excited
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10:18 < ybit> strages: that's awesome, can i have more info?
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10:46 < strages> yeah it's tonight at Makers local 256, 7pm
10:46 < strages> also http://www.meetup.com/Huntsville-Open-Manufacturing-meetup/
11:06 < Utopiah> Makers Movement Young Makers Nov2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIX5a9HouKM
11:08 < ybit> strages: thanks for the info
11:10 < ybit> nice link Utopiah
11:18 < Utopiah> http://www.quora.com/Will-(home)-manufacturing-be-the-new-big-thing
11:23 < kanzure> diybio mentioned on the eureka blog http://showblogs.syfy.com/eureka/idealab/2011/01/meat-tenderizer-a-salad-spinner-home-biotech.php
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11:33 < kanzure> jeff gough's printer doing wax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9Btu7DHhw
11:35 < kanzure> added a drew endy talk http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/24c3-programming-dna-2329
11:40 < jebba> oooh, new extruder arrived for my shapercube. This is going to change the game with that thing I believe.  :)    (the old one would jam, clog...)
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13:35 < jrayhawk> fenn: mpd is another interesting option
13:36 < ybit> what organizations hire neuroeng graduates?
13:37 < ybit> just universities?
13:37 < ybit> i'm curious what work is done
13:37 < ybit> if i get my degree in this topic, am i going to be working for douchebags.. i'm guessing most likely :|
13:40 < ybit> i'm guessing whatever research is performed is owned by them...
13:41 < ybit> just trying to figure out how this relates to open sourcing everything :\
13:54 < ybit> http://www.educationjobsite.com/job.asp?id=29847392&aff=91259E7E-9B28-4A3B-8BD3-7A86EA744DB8
13:57 < ybit> do you make enough to pay off your debt? doubt it.
13:57 < ybit> is the research publicly available?...
13:58 < kanzure> why take debt?
13:59 < ybit> i'm only seeing jobs for unis that you want you to do grunt work or eventually become a professor
13:59 < ybit> how else can you perform neuroeng work and make it publicly available?
13:59 < ybit> moving to uruguay or somolia?
14:00 < ybit> i doubt you can even do this in uruguay
14:00 < ybit> you could perform comp.neurosci work by yourself i suppose, but you need to implement your findings at some point
14:01 < kanzure> ask http://edboyden.org/
14:01 < ybit> ask him what exactly?
14:01 < kanzure> tell him i pointed you at him..
14:01 < kanzure> ask him "wtf"
14:01 < ybit> :)
14:01 < ybit> i sent him an email once.. i don't think he ever responded
14:01 < kanzure> he spends 3 hours/day on email, so he'll get to you shortly
14:02 < kanzure> you could also say "i said hi to you at h+ summit 2009" :P
14:02 < ybit> heh, he wasn't at h+ summit in 2009 :)
14:02 < ybit> or was he? o.o
14:03 < ybit> oh, he responded to my email in 2008
14:03 < ybit> "
14:03 < ybit> Neuroengineering is new enough and broad enough that it's best to
14:03 < ybit> learn and do very broadly.  Importantly, get involved with research
14:03 < ybit> very soon.  The Boston area is an amazing environment!"
14:04 < ybit> not quite what i was hoping, but he did respond
14:10 < ybit> hrm..
14:10 < ybit> i guess i probably won't go into debt due to pell grants..
14:11 < kanzure> debt is lame
14:11 < ybit> yar
14:11 < ybit> once you have your undergrad, you shouldn't have to pay for graduate studies
14:11 < QuantumG> heh
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14:12 < ybit> QuantumG: you laugh, this can't be good :)
14:12 < QuantumG> have I explained the Australian system to you guys?  it's like the most painless system short of outright-free-education-Denmark-style
14:12 < ybit> nope
14:13 < QuantumG> for your first degree you get an interest free loan from the government to pay for your tuition.  Repayments of the loan do not start until you are earning more than average salary.. and it comes out of your taxable income at tax time.
14:15 < ybit> for australian citizens, i'm assuming
14:15 < ybit> otherwise, i'm heading there right now :)
14:15 < QuantumG> yeah, International students are considered cash-cows
14:19 < kanzure> ybit: so, you're looking for work still?
14:19 < ybit> kanzure: yeah
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15:54 < kanzure> remote: Scene File Parser Initialization Error: Reading from '/gitduino/data/git/kanzure
15:54 < kanzure> remote: /d3019419d39ffe47fda1f65aec730aa4e31d3b13/dremelfuge-v4.scad-f3c9feaa29.pov' is
15:54 < kanzure> remote:  not permitted.  Check the configuration in '/etc//povray/3.6/povray.conf'.
15:54 < kanzure> the real issue is the path doesn't exist.. what would the conf file have to do with that?
16:00 < jrayhawk> Keep in mind Povray wasn't really designed for POSIX in the first place.
16:10 < kanzure> oh you know what, i bet it can't include/import absolute paths, then
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17:55 < JayDugger> kanzure, did Gada Prize consider any of the Open Hardware licenses vice GPL?
17:56 < kanzure> what do you mean 'consider'?
17:56 < JayDugger> I started reading de Bruijn's thesis "On the Viability of the Spoen Source Development model fo the deisgn of physical objects."
17:57 < JayDugger> He mentioned three or four different licenses.
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17:57 < kanzure> i still don't understand what you mean by "did gada prize consider"
17:58 < kanzure> in all honesty no, the others do not consider anything and are primarily for the status quo of the weak amount of text on gadaprize.org as the sole written understanding of the prize itself
17:58 < JayDugger> I mean, did GPL get picked "by default," or did people discuss the various comparative merits and flaws of a number of possibilities.
17:58 < JayDugger> Okay.
17:58 < JayDugger> That pretty well answers my question.
17:59 < JayDugger> I don't know whether any particular license would offer an advantage for the Gada Prize's goal.
17:59 < JayDugger> The question came up when I read this morning.
18:00 < JayDugger> I don't know enough to say whether another license than GPL would offer sufficient advantages to make switching worthwhile.
18:00 < JayDugger> I rather doubt it, but I say that in ignorance.
18:01 < JayDugger> s/Spoen/Open;
18:01 < JayDugger> s/Spoen/Open/
18:02 < kanzure> right now the others are content with not changing anything and are not interested in improving the prize framework
18:02 < kanzure> so my latest task is fixing this and getting their heads out of their butts..
18:03 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
18:03 < JayDugger> The thesis makes interesting reading.
18:04 < JayDugger> I think I downloaded it from a link dumped in here. E. de Bruijn's thesis gives his email as "e.bedruijn@uvt.nl"
18:04 < kanzure> erik_ is sometimes in #reprap
18:05 < JayDugger> Good, good.
18:45 < kanzure> huh davidad is showing up in interesting places http://syntheticneurobiology.org/people/display/144/Research%20Affiliates
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19:43 < kanzure> remote: #declare main_mesh = OpenSCAD_Model
19:43 < kanzure> remote: Parse Error: Cannot assign uninitialized identifier.
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20:00 < kanzure> aha: povray-includes
20:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov/dremelfuge-v4.scad-72422eca27.png
20:04 < kanzure> oh man.. that took forever
20:11 < kanzure> oh. the povray-includes comment doesn't make sense; but there was a "font is missing" error as well.
20:17 < jrayhawk> How much cputime was it?
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20:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: 1min 30sec for openscad.. povray is 2sec but mostly because of text output i think
20:48 < kanzure> by "took forever" i mean i should have had this done in 2009
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21:43 < strages> open manufacturing meetup was a total success!  I recommend everyone do this
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21:56 < fenn> clearly anti-singularity propaganda: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw
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22:10 < Technicus> Hello.
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22:27 < fenn> i wonder why he makes his own print head driver when the printer already does it
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22:28 < fenn> ok i totally have to build one of these
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22:36 < delinquentme> fenn what are you building?
22:36 < fenn> i'm watching jeff gough's molten wax jet printer talk
22:43 < delinquentme> fenn it prints wax as well as talks ?
22:43 < delinquentme> impressive.
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