--- Log opened Sun Feb 06 00:00:10 2011 00:54 -!- kruft [~user@c-98-214-105-38.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:55 < kruft> #biopunk 00:55 < kruft> oops wrong window 01:00 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:30 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-217-216.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-221-168.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:00 -!- kruft [~user@c-98-214-105-38.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:30 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:41 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:00 -!- epitron_ [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- rsFF [~rsFF@bl19-5-35.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:28 -!- Lukas_ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 < Lukas_> Good morning everyone 05:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:24 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 07:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-4d.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-4d.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:23 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 < Lukas_> Hullo ThomasEgi 08:44 < ThomasEgi> am hi? 08:45 < Lukas_> excuse? 08:47 < ThomasEgi> was just disconnected. 08:50 < Lukas_> ah 08:51 < Lukas_> How's it going? 08:51 < ThomasEgi> re-doing a few pcb-layouts right now. 08:51 < ThomasEgi> turned out i messed up a footprint and now the parts physically wont arrange on the board :P 08:52 < Lukas_> nice 08:53 < Lukas_> what are you building? 08:54 < ThomasEgi> prototyping hardware for a company. 08:55 < ThomasEgi> it's a controll board used to switch devices on and off. they want to get away from the simens sps-controll they have right now. 09:01 < kanzure> siemens? 09:02 < kanzure> show me a building with heating not done by siemens and i'll show you a honeywell 09:02 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, wanna come over visit me? 09:02 < ThomasEgi> and bring a honeywell with you. 09:03 < ThomasEgi> whatever that is. 09:03 < ThomasEgi> well the thing is. altho their current setup works, it's expensive, complicated and not doesnt adapt well to their needs 09:07 < Lukas_> Does anyone know any nootropic that is relatively safe? 09:09 < archels> It's this new one that you see in the ads, I think it's called Pla-Ce-Bo. 09:11 < kanzure> Lukas_: cdpcholine, sulbutiamine, pyritinol, picamilion, aniracetam, piracetam, lion's mane, fish oil, butter, phosphatidylserine, bacopa, pregnenolone, cerebrolysin, theanine, vinpocetine, taurine, creatine, methylcobalamin, choline bitartate, ginkgo, huperzine, centrophenoxine, phenylalainine, methylcobalamin, vinpocetine, selegiline, pseudoephedrine, donezepil, hydergine, phenytoin, digitoxin, coumarin, gamma-hydroxybutyrate 09:12 < kanzure> personally i take adderall 09:13 < archels> Lukas_: You might want to specify "relatively safe". 09:13 < kanzure> about how many standard deviations from "100% likely to kill you" are looking for? 09:14 < kanzure> *are you looking for? 09:15 < archels> kanzure: Do you take anything to offset the side effects of the dex? 09:15 < kanzure> nope 09:15 < Lukas_> Relatively safe = doesn't kill or impair me (mentally or physically). I don't mind a headache or anything mild 09:15 < archels> kanzure: Vitamin C? Multivitamin? 09:16 < kanzure> archels: sometimes 09:16 < archels> kanzure: Ever try l-tyrosine with it? 09:16 < kanzure> no 09:17 < Utopiah> (iirc few here like eletronic music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylVRGttEW4 ) 09:18 < archels> "dubbing to fuckstep" 09:18 < archels> I'm not *entirely* sure what that means... 09:19 < archels> but somehow it seems to accurately describe the genre. 09:21 < Lukas_> xD 09:28 -!- Lukas_ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:49 < fenn> anyone know "jean paul miousse"? 10:51 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < fenn> er, jean-sebastien miousse , my bad 10:57 < fenn> Utopiah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GlLXgyEbAw&feature=related of course youtube's audio encoding drops a lot 11:04 < fenn> some nice paintings http://www.androidjones.com/ 11:06 < fenn> (same as youtube link above better compression http://fennetic.net/irc/Sirius_Mimosa.mp3 ) 11:07 < Utopiah> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110202172300.htm (other view on the PLoSONE article on tDCS for insight) 11:08 < Utopiah> fenn: thanks, that's more relaxing 11:49 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06 < kanzure> wait a sec.. 12:06 < kanzure> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/06/1725258/Wikipedia-Works-To-Close-Gender-Gap 12:06 < kanzure> ` 'The big problem is that the current Wikipedia community is what came about by letting things develop naturally,' says Kat Walsh, a member of the Wikimedia board. ` 12:06 < kanzure> kat walsh.. why do i know that name 12:07 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-12-25.log 12:07 < kanzure> so she used to hang out in here? 12:10 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 < uniqanomaly_> they should introduce gender parity 12:36 < uniqanomaly_> and with gender parity in the name of equalisation there's favoritism of one side and discrimination of the other and isn't that just fucking stupid 12:37 < uniqanomaly_> everything for delusion of greater good 12:38 < uniqanomaly_> if i would be more sarcastic i would wrote that it's the way god wanted it 12:38 < uniqanomaly_> oh, i just did 12:39 < uniqanomaly_> i would like to be* 12:42 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 < fenn> i'd rather have openness and transparency than rules mandating that idiots be in charge 13:38 -!- Lukas_ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 < kanzure> being on the board for the third or fourth most popular website ever is pretty interesting 13:48 < kanzure> but probably means little in terms of actual things she can do 13:58 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug 15:16 < kanzure> :/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency 15:16 < kanzure> hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_banned_from_the_Olympics 15:17 < uniqanomaly_> in promotion of transhumanism someone gotta create h+ olympics 15:18 < uniqanomaly_> with any improvement technology lawful 15:18 < Utopiah> isn't called F1? 15:18 < uniqanomaly_> funny thing, some of them are f***'n illegal 15:19 < uniqanomaly_> funny paradox of banning any drugs 'better trap produce better mouse' 15:20 < uniqanomaly_> they actively contribute to drug research 15:20 < uniqanomaly_> or not 15:20 < kanzure> whatever.. i haven't had any olympiads hire me to create something undetectable 15:21 < Lukas_> Just as long as the drugs aren't banned outright, I am fine 15:25 < Technicus> I have an idea. 15:28 < Lukas_> ? 15:31 < jrayhawk> res 15:31 < jrayhawk> whoops 15:31 < uniqanomaly_> what do you think about idea that govs can see augmented humanz as enemies of old order? 15:34 < uniqanomaly_> perhaps russian anti-biomedical tech regulations are related 15:34 < uniqanomaly_> or they just want poor people to die off 15:35 < uniqanomaly_> ok, i guess too much fucking politics 15:35 < Lukas_> we are political creatures 15:35 < Lukas_> In my opinion, some governments will, others won't 15:36 < Lukas_> the only opinions that matter are the Chinese and Americans, mainly 15:37 < Lukas_> if a major clampdown occurs in those countries on such technology, then transhumanism faces a nearly impossible job of trying to go about our business 15:37 < kanzure> Lukas_: no, we're not political creatures 15:37 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas_: not really impossible 15:37 < kanzure> go away and get back to work 15:38 < Lukas_> :D 15:38 < Lukas_> taking a break 15:38 < uniqanomaly_> ;) 15:38 < Lukas_> no more fear mongering, I promise 15:38 < kanzure> Lukas_: why are you always talking about gloom-and-doom political scenarios? 15:38 < kanzure> i mean, can you take that crap somewhere else maybe 15:39 < kanzure> political cheerleading doesn't tend to be productive 15:39 < QuantumG> http://www.verticalfarm.com/more 15:40 < uniqanomaly_> kanzure: take a chill pill, we're just talking 15:40 < kanzure> RAWR NO CHILLING ALLOWED 15:40 < uniqanomaly_> ! :D 15:40 < kanzure> what are you up to anyway 15:41 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 < uniqanomaly_> omg 15:41 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas___: the other one is dead I suppose? ;) 15:42 < uniqanomaly_> kanzure: just talking :) 15:42 < uniqanomaly_> brb 15:42 < Lukas___> what? 15:42 -!- Lukas_ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42 < Lukas___> kanzure: don't take me seriously, we're just talking 15:42 < kanzure> uniqanomaly_: no i mean, what are you doing 15:43 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 < Lukas___> In all seriousness, you are right , panic does nothing 15:47 < Lukas___> but this is just wild speculation 15:48 < Technicus> Augmented visiual comprehention. 15:49 < Lukas___> ? 15:49 < Technicus> Too many people do not understand what is happening. 15:50 < Lukas___> which is a good thing IMO 15:51 < QuantumG> have you considered that you might be one of them? ;) 15:51 < Lukas___> me? 15:52 < Technicus> I myself am tramendously ignorant. 15:52 < Lukas___> As am I 15:54 < QuantumG> the people living through events rarely understand their historical significance 15:54 < Technicus> I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. 15:56 < QuantumG> The Mesopotamians had very little idea that they were revolutionizing farming.. they were just digging ditches to get water to their crops. 15:56 < Technicus> I am presently upset by a Cease & Desist/Take Down Notice from Faceboot to the developer of PhotoJacker: [ http://www.photojacker.com/ ]. 15:56 < Lukas___> what about the result of the agricultural revolution? 15:57 < Lukas___> there is significant evidence of violence between nomadic groups and settled people during that period 15:58 < Technicus> Living as a nomadic lifestyle is not suited or permitted by / for many of today's cultures. 15:58 < Lukas___> but it was once the only way of doing things 15:59 < QuantumG> vast amounts of americans live in caravans 15:59 < Lukas___> crop growing was a game changer 15:59 < Lukas___> the food they get is still grown, they aren't foraging 16:00 < Technicus> To have a portable dwelling provides a sense of freedom. 16:00 < QuantumG> most nomads were herders.. so the domesticated animals did the foraging, and they ate the animals 16:01 < Lukas___> true 16:01 < Lukas___> but you can support a significant population with crops, as opposed to just herding 16:04 < QuantumG> it was still animal power though 16:05 < Lukas___> still animal power, but that subtle change had a huge cultural impact 16:07 < Lukas___> I am unsure of whether the idea of territory was 'born' during that time, I am unsure of how we would even know if that happened .... 16:07 < Lukas___> meh, I am rambling 16:08 < QuantumG> yes, it was. The great empires of east and west were the direct result of increased farming production and the specialization of workforce 16:08 < QuantumG> yep, but it wasn't until the mining revolution and the subsequent industrial revolution that large scale production finally took off.. the question today, I think, is will all that be made obsolete by synthetic biology? self-tending, self-harvesting crops. 16:09 < Lukas___> perhaps, we don't know. The best we can do is try to see where the tech is going and work accordingly to stay ahead of the curve 16:17 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 < Technicus> Here is a link: [ http://victorygasworks.ning.com/ ]. This is a group of people who are dilligently fabricating solid biomass gasifiers. 16:20 < joshcryer> Dan screws around, probably his best "instructional" video (greenpowerscience): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRnhFvu9PXo 16:21 < joshcryer> I know he mostly dicks around most of the time, but it's nice to see this hack. 16:21 < joshcryer> (throws some Nd magnets on a hexagonal block of wood and places it in a fan stator, produces current) 16:23 < QuantumG> a more modern example: the NSF had no idea what would result from removing the non-commercial terms of use from their backbone of the Internet. 16:30 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 < ThomasEgi> joshcryer, that one just made my evening :D 16:48 < ThomasEgi> magnets in a piece of wood :D 16:49 < Lukas___> Are there any PhDs here? 16:50 < QuantumG> I think most of us have jobs instead 16:50 < Lukas___> XD 16:53 < kanzure> Lukas___: there's a few phds 16:53 < kanzure> what do you need 16:54 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56 < Lukas___> I just wanted to know what sort of positions in industry are PhD-only - I want to work in a genomics company, and I eventually want to head my own projects eventually. But I am barely getting through college financially, so I am unsure of going to graduate school is wise or not 16:56 < kanzure> why are you in school, again? 16:57 < Lukas___> Biomedical Engineering 16:57 < Lukas___> and because I would be kicked out if I wasn't in school 16:57 < Lukas___> mainly 16:58 < kanzure> kicked out of what 16:58 < Lukas___> Biomedical Engineering allows a greater spread, in case I decide that genetics isn't my strongpoint 16:58 < Lukas___> my house 16:58 < QuantumG> I'm still watching this video joshcryer posted 16:58 < Lukas___> rather, my parent's house 16:58 < QuantumG> fuck me, this guy could have explained this thing in 10 seconds 16:59 < QuantumG> 31 minutes to say "alternate the magnets"? seriously? 17:01 < joshcryer> Hehe 17:01 < joshcryer> I like when he uses mechanical advantage to do a task, such as when he drives the block down the screw with the drill. 17:01 < kanzure> Lukas___: gonna have to move out some day 17:02 < joshcryer> I try to think of ways to avoid effort so it is fun when someone else does, too. 17:02 < Lukas___> I'd rather do it when I have money to survive on 17:02 < joshcryer> kanzure, all housing should be free, electricity, and water, and food!!!!! 17:03 < Lukas___> agreed 100% 17:04 < joshcryer> needs more exclaimation points 17:07 < Lukas___> : How did you do it? 17:09 < QuantumG> dude needs to join steel... and uses sticky tape 17:14 < joshcryer> QuantumG, it's a hack, not production thing, haha. He's always having to disclaim whatever hack he does because people are all "wtf you shouldn't do it that way!" 17:21 < joshcryer> I suspect sticky tape wouldn't last long enough in a turbine for it to spin for a day. 17:22 < QuantumG> yeah, weld the magnets to a metal rotor 17:29 < kanzure> Lukas___: i got kicked out 17:29 < kanzure> it's surprisingly easy 17:29 < joshcryer> kanzure, aww, why. 17:30 < joshcryer> You seem so lovable. 17:30 < Lukas___> D: 17:31 < joshcryer> Every h+ guy needs a parents basement to work in. 17:31 < joshcryer> It's our only hope. 17:33 < Lukas___> Trust me, I'd LOVE to move out of my house, but I have nothing in terms of money and experience 17:33 < kanzure> no experience? what have you been doing for the past 15 years 17:34 < kanzure> joshcryer: it's probably in the logs sometime in 2008 17:36 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37 < Lukas___> xD 17:39 < joshcryer> QuantumG, the most fascinating part of the video is that adding a magnet doubles the power output. 17:39 < joshcryer> QuantumG, square of the distance and all. 17:42 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h96-60-31-214.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 < kanzure> blah now they are complaining that they didn't categorize articles on hplusmagazine.com 17:50 < kanzure> but they want categories and tags now 17:50 < QuantumG> there's articles on hplusmagazine.com? 17:51 < joshcryer> there's hplusmagazine.com? 17:54 < kanzure> s/articles/blog posts/ 17:54 < kanzure> whatever the terminology is 17:56 -!- Lukas___ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:16 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iP0NGDDao 18:46 < ThomasEgi> now that's a nice one^ 18:50 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05 < joshcryer> I'm bored someone find the logs where kanzure was kicked out of his house. 20:14 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:20 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10 -!- phreedom [~quassel@109.254.17.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:58 -!- strages [~strages@c-71-207-215-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:40 -!- jennicide [brown@173-21-104-59.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:42 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Feb 07 00:00:10 2011