--- Log opened Mon Feb 07 00:00:10 2011
00:13 < joshcryer> Apple got trolled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8BPFODsob1I
01:11 < Jappe2> no advertising please
01:34 < joshcryer> Haha
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02:38 < Utopiah> mention of RepRap, contour printing and overall 3D printing in Zeitgeist: Moving Forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w#t=1h58m
02:39 < joshcryer> I used to hang out in their IRC channel when they had one.
02:39 < joshcryer> There were a lot of H+ types.
02:40 < joshcryer> Sadly they were tied to conspiracy stuff on one hand, and on the other hand, expected TZM (as it pertains to the Venus Project) to do something.
02:40 < joshcryer> My time there was basically tell them to DIY, and then several of them actually decided to DIY.
02:40 < joshcryer> And TZM threatened to sue them.
02:40 < joshcryer> Fun stuff.
02:41 < Utopiah> I pointed at it regarding diffusion in the media, Im not necessarily a fan on TZM/Venus Project
02:41 < joshcryer> "Repetitive human labor is becoming obsolete."
02:42 < joshcryer> What naievty.
02:43 < joshcryer> 1) Industrial automation is almost entirely individually specialized, that is, you have some task you want to do with high speed automation, you pay engineers to design the machines to do it, and they build the machine.
02:43 < joshcryer> 2) There exist no single set of tools to make these machines, nor do these machines have abilities outside of their specialized tasks.
02:44 < joshcryer> 2b) By being unique devices, they do not in fact render human labor obsolete. Since they must be uniquely built, and maintained, by a small set of individuals.
02:44 < joshcryer> I used to work on a peanut packing line.
02:45 < joshcryer> Basically we had a machine that filled jars with peanuts, and the label machine was run by one guy, if he wasn't there, the line didn't run.
02:46 < joshcryer> Now they could've replaced us grunts with packing the peanuts into boxes with robots, at a very high cost, of course, but we were effectively the machines safeguard. If it was printing lables wrong we sorted 'em out.
02:46 < joshcryer> No machine on the planet could do our job at the speed that we did.
02:46 < joshcryer> Not without false positives.
02:47 < joshcryer> Well that was short.
02:48 < joshcryer> Shame they didn't spend more time discussing it.
02:48 < joshcryer> The whole point of open hardware is to eventually form a standard of devices that interoperate and behave predictably.
02:48 < joshcryer> This may sound counterintuitive since everyone can hack their own devices.
02:49 < joshcryer> But if you look at any large software project you will see that there's one fork that people actually give a crap about.
02:50 < joshcryer> So the openness does allow forking and whatnot, but that doesn't typically happen unless there are extenuating circumstances that require it. It's also a policing mechanism because people don't want their project forked away from them and are (in some respects, depending on their level of control) amiable to changes.
02:52 < joshcryer> As I see it the ultimate goal is a maker bot that can make maker bots and can incidentially make a specialized factories that can make maker bots or other types of machines that make other things faster. ie, I have a machine that can make itself, but it can make a factory that spits out toothbrushes 1000x faster than the bot can.
02:53 < joshcryer> This requires tools to design the bot, and tools to design the factories.
02:53 < joshcryer> And that is why I'm a PC.
02:53 < joshcryer> :P
02:53  * joshcryer rant off
03:11 < joshcryer> universial flu vaccine: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/06/flu-universal-vaccine-test-success
03:11 < joshcryer> Possible eridication of the flu? That'd save millions every year.
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06:52 < Lukas_> Good morning gentlemen and ladies
06:53 < ThomasEgi> mooornin
06:54 < Lukas_> What's up?
06:55 < ThomasEgi> breakfast?
06:56 < Lukas_> Good stuff
06:59 < Lukas_> It is finally getting warmer in the north
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06:59 < Lukas_> soon I'll be able to pk again
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07:20 < archels> Pakistan?
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07:32 < Lukas_> Parkour
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10:14 < Utopiah> nootropics in details http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=6779
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12:36 < kanzure> hehe having other people make your travel arrangements and payments is p. awesome
12:49 < pasky> i need DNA code for beta-globin from at least five different mammal species, any tips where to get them?
12:49 < pasky> im not really too familiar with the genome databases
12:58 < kanzure> if you figure out the protein id then you can look that up on ncbi and look under one of their homologue sections
12:59 < pasky> thanks, i'll try to figure out the protein id :)
12:59 < pasky> but it's a gene, not a protein
13:00 < pasky> for human, the page is http://www.genenames.org/data/hgnc_data.php?hgnc_id=4827
13:00 < pasky> there're many links on that page to explore, i'll try that first ;)
13:07 < kanzure> beta-globin doesn't encode a protein?
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13:41 < pasky> kanzure: well, sure it does... hmm, right
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14:18 < kanzure> 17-way rubik cube? http://www.shapeways.com/model/64058/over_the_top___17x17x17____3500.html
14:18 < kanzure> *rubik's
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14:52 < pasky> btw what i needed is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore?Db=homologene&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=68066
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15:06 < kanzure> "* A NASA study has concluded that creating a self replicating machine is roughly the same difficulty as creating a Pentium 4 chip." what?
15:07 < ThomasEgi> hm.. well we can produce pentium 4 chips right?
15:07 < kanzure> not really
15:07 < kanzure> when's the last time you built a pentium 4?
15:08 < kanzure> and more to the point why would you choose p4 over risc or something
15:08 < ThomasEgi> hm.. i dont remember.
15:08 < ThomasEgi> true.
15:09 < ThomasEgi> well i once thought about living-modules for the antartica.
15:09 < ThomasEgi> made from bio-plastics
15:09 < ThomasEgi> so you could "grow" your plastics. which would allow to grow house-parts, machines etc.
15:10 < ThomasEgi> the semi-biological approach is quite promising.
15:10 < kanzure> why antarctica? why not for anywhere
15:10 < ThomasEgi> because i was 1inch away from getting a boat and go there and say goodbye to the rest of the world^
15:10 < QuantumG> bacteria are self replicating machines.. creating a bacteria is something we still haven't done, and probably never will (we'll probably always be cribbing proteins from nature to do synthetic biology)
15:11 < kanzure> QuantumG: that's like saying we haven't genetically engineered any organisms
15:11 < ThomasEgi> QuantumG, the thing is, you can use the bacteria as base material for the rest
15:11 < QuantumG> they said "create" .. I don't take that to mean "tinker with".
15:12 < ThomasEgi> why tinker or create if it already exists?
15:13 < QuantumG> yes, that's the reason why we probably never will
15:14 < QuantumG> but my point was, if you were to set out to make a single cell organism that can self-replicate by designing all the molecules from scratch, it'd be a *much* bigger task than making a pentium.
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15:51 < ybit> hrm, it feels awkward to tweet about what SNPs are in my body, just like it felt odd to send off my dna sample
15:52 < ybit> i'm probably paranoid for no reason again
15:52 < kanzure> wtf is this BS http://isotope.metafizzy.co/demos/basic.html try resizing your browser
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17:23 < jennicide> elements collapsing/expanding to fit browser width
18:06 < kanzure> it's still gratuitous
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20:17 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/02/04/the-uncertain-future-forecasting-project-goes-open-source/
20:18 < kanzure> i think this is an awful name for a repository: http://github.com/SingInst/The-Uncertain-Future
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22:11 < ybit> i suck at programming, it's official
22:13 < ybit> what is it about business that sucks the life out of anything that has the chance of being fun? :)
22:14 < alystair> accounting
22:14 < alystair> oh wait I thought you asked what businesses suck the life out of anything
22:36 < joshcryer> I just turned on Windows Speech Recognition.
22:36 < joshcryer> I am alarmed by how good it is.
22:36 < joshcryer> (Windows 7)
22:47 < QuantumG> why?  was your hovercraft actually full of eels?
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22:51 < joshcryer> I'm too lazy to transcribe an hour of video.
22:51 < joshcryer> And I wanted to see if Win7 speech recognition could do it.
22:52 < joshcryer> And as I ran the stupid wizard thing it gave me a command reference sheet thingy.
22:52 < joshcryer> And I just said this out loud.
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