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Campbell: you owe me big time 13:23 < kanzure> uh oh. 13:24 < kanzure> well i guess it's true in general 13:24 < kanzure> but he's probably talking about something bad that happened 13:25 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kanzure_, jebba, jmil, AlonzoTG, jrabbit_, ferrousw1eel 13:25 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jebba 13:32 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:04 < Tyrant> Anyone going to be at BIL in march? 14:07 -!- streety1 [~Jonathan@93.182.185.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08 -!- streety [~Jonathan@93.182.185.77] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- streety [~Jonathan@93.182.185.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12 < kanzure> Tyrant: i might give a presentation 14:12 < Tyrant> cool 14:12 < Tyrant> socal diybio has like 2 or 3 presenting 14:15 < kanzure> i have trouble picking topics. gada prize or hardware packaging? manufacturing or nanoengineer. etc. 14:18 -!- bkero [~bkero2@horace.dionysian-mind.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:18 -!- bkero [~bkero2@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:22 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:22 -!- timschmidt [~tim@141.209.129.227] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 < kanzure> http://futurisms.thenewatlantis.com/2011/02/celebrating-self-mutilation.html 14:24 < kanzure> heh "euphemisms" 14:25 -!- Director_X 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contributes back" nature of open hardware? 14:32 < kanzure> how about a logo that says "everyone is here for social media wankery and doesn't actually have hardware skills" 14:33 < splicer> The padlock is a very nice idea 14:34 < splicer> I made a biopunk logo a few days back: http://biopunk.hu/ 14:34 < QuantumG> I was talking to a guy who was putting together a quad copter the other month.. I'm like "so when are you putting a log of your experiences up?" and he started going on about all the other blogs that have already done that.. 14:35 < kanzure> yeah.. i saw it on the 12th splicer 14:35 < kanzure> http://www.biopunk.org/the-biopunk-biogear-logo-t596.html 14:35 < QuantumG> 1. if he thought his experiences were going to be exactly the same as everyone else's, why bother? 14:35 < splicer> yepp 14:35 < kanzure> QuantumG: yeah.. i'd have to agree though, putting up yet-another-blog doesn't help as much as i.e. debian packaging 14:36 < QuantumG> 2. last week he had a fatal flight and blew up a LiOH battery and nearly caused a fire.. he still hasn't posted anything on the experience. 14:36 < uniqanomaly__> "it’s sad, if not at all surprising, to find transhumanists not only lacking the faculties to evaluate self-mutilation as the self-destructive behavior of a person in need of help, but encouraging it — both by reporting on it so enthusiastically, and by fostering a subculture in which it could be understood as a laudable act of creation and self-expression." what the f*ck 14:37 < kanzure> uniqanomaly__: what are you wtfing? 14:37 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 < uniqanomaly__> kanzure: celebrating celf-mutiation 14:37 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-67-171-64-167.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37 < QuantumG> self-improvement is masturbation.. now self-destruction.. 14:37 < uniqanomaly__> retards 14:37 < kanzure> i know, but what's so what the fuck about it? 14:37 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-67-171-64-167.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 < kanzure> uniqanomaly__: check it out: ... "i have been known to slice my arms open for shits'n'giggles, sure, and do a fair amount of damage in the process (none of this emo cat-scratch bullshit, i've split my arm to the tendons like the little psychopath i sort of am), but this is not something i do when properly medicated. i need a better way of communicating that." 14:37 < kanzure> uniqanomaly__: that's self-mutiliation. period. 14:37 < uniqanomaly__> their semi-logic 14:38 < uniqanomaly__> yeah because it's like you can go ask any physician to implant something in your finger 14:40 < uniqanomaly__> of course it wouldn't be any mutilation if he would do this 14:40 < kanzure> implanting stuff in your finger isn't the same thing as self-mutiliation 14:40 < kanzure> i think you're confused 14:42 < Director_X> how about cosmetic mods? 14:43 -!- strages [~8a7355ab@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 14:43 < Director_X> as soon as they make a cybernetic limb that works just as well as the biological ones.... 14:43 < Director_X> i'm cutting off my limbs 14:44 < uniqanomaly__> i wan't a tail 14:44 < uniqanomaly__> want 14:44 < uniqanomaly__> lul 14:44 < uniqanomaly__> like 1.5m tail 14:44 < uniqanomaly__> ;D 14:44 < Director_X> sign me up for that too 14:45 < Director_X> goat legs would be nice too 14:45 < Director_X> robot goat legs 14:46 < ThomasEgi> uniqanomaly__, grow some bones, and muscles, tissue engineer them to a tail, grow skin over it. your spine still has a few nerves left from the biological tail. altho your brain may have a hard time to learn how to use them properly. 14:48 < Director_X> and you risk a 25% chance of getting cancer 14:50 < ThomasEgi> why? 14:50 -!- Lukas___ [813164c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.100.192] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:51 < ThomasEgi> if you just cultivate your already existing cells? 14:51 < Director_X> hell if I know 14:51 < Director_X> I wanted an extra finger, and this was the objection 14:52 < Director_X> whats up Lukas? 14:52 < Director_X> Lukas probably knows 14:53 < Lukas___> Hello 14:53 < Lukas___> can't stay for long, class soon (facepalm) 14:53 < Lukas___> what's up? 14:53 < Director_X> talking about adding extra appendages 14:54 < Lukas___> stem cells FTW 14:54 < Lukas___> :P 14:54 < Director_X> 25% cancer rate? 14:54 < Lukas___> to be honest, I am not entire sure how you could do that without accidently causing cancer 14:54 < Lukas___> there are some growth hormones that can be used, but to the same result as far as I know 14:55 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56 -!- Lukas___ [813164c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.100.192] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56 < Director_X> damn cancer. why don't one you guys go ahead and find a cure for that real quick so I can get some extra digits 14:56 < Director_X> and a tail 15:00 < Director_X> fix that second law of thermodynamics too 15:01 * drazak bugs kanzure 15:02 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04 < ThomasEgi> Director_X, fixing that law is quite funny. one of my hobbies. my best try resulted in a 2 week long discussion amongst an entire physics-class at a university. their discussion ended with no real result. 15:05 < Director_X> lol. sounds like my photonic conversations. 15:06 < ThomasEgi> at least i made some 150 brains smoke :P 15:07 < ThomasEgi> altho the device would be quite buildable. in case it really would've worked. the effect would me so tiny that it'D be of no pratical use. 15:07 < ThomasEgi> was quite fun tho. 15:07 < Director_X> sweet. any hint to the nature of the device? 15:11 < ThomasEgi> brownian movement, magnetic particles a few µm in size, a coil, thermal insulation, a resistor. 15:11 < ThomasEgi> and a few drops of water. 15:12 < ThomasEgi> pretty much the best approach i had so far. dunno if it really would've worked. 15:13 < ThomasEgi> if someone has a lab which is capable of producing microstructures i'd love to give it a try 15:14 < Tyrant> kanzure, i bet you love the trailer on the website of transcendant man 15:14 < Tyrant> its so visionary so predictive so... narcissistic :D 15:16 -!- timschmidt [~tim@141.209.129.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:18 < Director_X> sounds cool 15:21 -!- Director_X [432affb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.42.255.177] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:27 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:34 < jebba> timschmidt, cool, re: cgal bits :) 15:34 < timschmidt> :) 15:37 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- strages [~strages@70.90.224.229] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- strages [~strages@70.90.224.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:47 -!- Director_X [432affb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.42.255.177] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- Director_X [432affb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.42.255.177] has quit [Client Quit] 15:49 -!- splicer [~chatzilla@h142n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55 -!- splicer [~splicer@h142n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- Juul [~Juul@static.88-198-13-205.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10 -!- klord [~klord@64.39.0.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.102.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:24 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.121.208] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:38 -!- strages [~strages@70.90.224.229] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- strages [~strages@70.90.224.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:44 -!- mayko_ [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- mayko_ [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:49 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00 -!- strages [~strages@153.sub-174-252-166.myvzw.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:25 -!- strages [~strages@153.sub-174-252-166.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26 -!- augur_ [~augur@129.2.129.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- thesnark|afk is now known as thesnark 17:38 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.121.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.107.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:01 < Jappe2> yes 18:06 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-247-186.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 < delinquentme> /join #arduino 18:10 < Jappe2> no advertising plz 18:13 < delinquentme> anyone know of any sweet ideas for liquid handling ?? i've looked into the bioTek type compression spindle and simple syringes .. anyone have anything better ?? 18:13 < QuantumG> bottles seem pretty effective. 18:17 < delinquentme> lol 18:18 < delinquentme> QuantumG, this is true 18:18 < delinquentme> i never realized it .. but i think thats what TECAN uses! 18:25 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 < JayDugger> I prefer pipes to bottles. 18:51 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-74-74-152-155.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 < delinquentme> JayDugger, im w you ... i cant decide between the ... http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/461 18:52 < delinquentme> or just mounting plastic syringes and a screw / bearing drive to suction / expel from the syringes :D 18:53 < delinquentme> VOTE! 19:05 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:05 -!- thesnark [~michael@cblmdm24-53-167-49.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30 -!- strages [~strages@wifi.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 < kanzure> drazak: i wasn't actually here tonight, so bugging me didn't count 19:58 < kanzure> (although you could have tried phone) 19:59 < kanzure> Tyrant: no, i don't like 'transcendant man' 19:59 < kanzure> delinquentme: how about microfluidic reservoires instead? 20:00 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:00 < drazak> kanzure: I'm not a huge fan of phoning people just to bug them 20:00 < delinquentme> kanzure, i was actually LOVING the fact that you can use microfluidic pressures as built in valves 20:00 < delinquentme> but im not sure if thats what im after .. i think im going with the less flashy stepper driven syringes 20:00 < kanzure> "syringe pumps" 20:01 < kanzure> are ridiculously expensive.. i don't remember any particular reason they have to be other than "that's what the market pays" 20:01 < delinquentme> http://www.microdialysis.se/public/file.php?REF=48ab2f9b45957ab574cf005eb8a76760&art=614&FILE_ID=20080226095207_1_2.pdf 20:01 < delinquentme> yeah right! 20:01 < delinquentme> look at that thing 20:01 < delinquentme> its got buttons and shit .. all i need is a console and an arduino 20:01 < delinquentme> and my damn ruby controller to work 20:02 < kanzure> why do you have to program your controller in ruby 20:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, my partner in crime is thinking python 20:03 < delinquentme> im just trying to learn along w this project 20:04 < delinquentme> honestly im just pissed at the footwork im doing , 20:04 < kanzure> what is the actual project 20:04 < delinquentme> ive already got a rails app > telnet > router > arduino > stepper control going 20:04 < delinquentme> CURRENTLY id just like to get precision step control over the motor via a rails app 20:05 < delinquentme> currently im using char type vars .. which lead to weird ascii interpretations 20:05 < kanzure> so wait.. why are you using rails to directly control a stepper? 20:05 < kanzure> how about using a stepper controller instead 20:05 < delinquentme> im unsure if i can send strict integers 20:05 < kanzure> rails is for webapps 20:05 < delinquentme> correct 20:06 < kanzure> not for interfacing hardware.. you should write a daemon or use one and then interface rails to that.. 20:06 < delinquentme> well when you say stepper controller wouldn't that be an arduino in this case? 20:06 < kanzure> lemme guess. you're sending commands over libhid from rails? 20:06 < delinquentme> i literally have no clue as to whats the best way to go about this .. so im all ears 20:07 < delinquentme> nah telnet 20:07 < delinquentme> rails app > telnet > router > arduino > stepper control going 20:07 < delinquentme> the serial pick up strings sent over telnet and uses those as input for the stepper 20:07 < kanzure> so again, what are you using this for specifically? 20:08 < kanzure> just learning, or is your stepper doing something 20:08 < delinquentme> well the grand vision is id like to see a local server running as what i call a "conductor" 20:08 < kanzure> that means nothing to me 20:08 -!- streety [~Jonathan@host86-161-96-242.range86-161.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 < delinquentme> so the conductor controls a bunch of arduinos 20:09 < delinquentme> arduinos hooked up to thinks like liquid handling pieces 20:09 < kanzure> what do the "liquid handling pieces" actually do 20:09 < delinquentme> microscopy adjustments 20:09 < delinquentme> suck up water .. place them in some container .. possibly microplates 20:10 < delinquentme> or fix them up some way to do automatic slide prep 20:10 < delinquentme> miniprep > pcr > gel electro would be awesome 20:10 < delinquentme> but thats still a bit out 20:10 < kanzure> okay. so you want all of your lab equipment on /dev/ basically 20:11 < delinquentme> /dev/ 20:11 < delinquentme> ^^?? 20:11 < kanzure> are you a linux user 20:11 < delinquentme> yeah 20:11 < kanzure> ... 20:11 < delinquentme> ubuntu 20:11 < kanzure> well anyway, i'm going to ignore that comment 20:11 < delinquentme> sure 20:11 < kanzure> i recommend you write some non-rails-related server for conducting that lab/computer setup 20:11 < delinquentme> automation of processes 20:12 < kanzure> there's no particular reason to make it rails-specific 20:12 < delinquentme> you're talking C++ 20:12 < kanzure> and it just burdens the architecture 20:12 < kanzure> no i'm not talking c++ 20:12 < kanzure> if you like ruby so much, do it in ruby 20:12 < kanzure> but depending on rails seems pointless 20:13 < delinquentme> so conductor interfaces with arduinos 20:13 < delinquentme> same setup .. what protocol between them though 20:13 < delinquentme> stright up tcp was another suggestion 20:14 < delinquentme> or i guess ruby supports serial port 20:14 < kanzure> i would write a protocol that works on top of serial/tcp/usb and then you shouldn't care which one is used 20:15 < delinquentme> hmmm 20:15 < delinquentme> damn im really feeling clueless right now 20:17 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 < delinquentme> kanzure, ok so that sounds like a good idea .. where do i even start learning how to write protocols which are "on top of" serial tcp usb 20:18 < delinquentme> im not sure if i could tell a good idea from a bad one right now but ... 20:21 < kanzure> you figure out what you need to send to each device 20:21 < kanzure> ite those details down 20:21 < kanzure> *write those details down 20:22 < kanzure> then write a few methods: one to translate it to something that can be sent over serial, one for over usb, whatever 20:22 < kanzure> in many cases there won't be much of a difference.. 20:22 < delinquentme> ok i think i can work w that 20:26 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26 -!- timschmidt [~tim@68-188-226-100.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-247-186.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:10 < ybit> http://heath.blip.tv/file/4772416/ 21:10 < ybit> recordmydesktop :\ 21:10 < ybit> would be nice to use this as opposed to vlc + audacity 21:11 < ybit> also... does anyone know someone willing to review a guy's paper in #neuroscience? 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