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09:00 < Director_X> good morning
09:04 < Director_X> question for ThomasEgi/Archels/anyone else who might know:  Can you use capacitors hooked up to a bleeder resistor as a substitute battery?
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09:04 < Director_X> you know, to slow discharge rates?
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09:52 < archels_> Director_X: Yes.
09:52 < archels_> Resistors are wasteful devices though, converting energy into heat.
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09:56 < Director_X> hmm.  So in theory I might be able to have the slow discharge of a battery with the fast charge time of capacitor (resistor removed)?
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10:01 < kanzure> reprap comic http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/02/237-reproducible.html
10:01 < kanzure> who the hell argues that its the "first" artificial lifeform?
10:01 < kanzure> what a load of cock
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10:29 < archels_> Director_X: yes
10:30 < archels_> kanzure: It's a life form about as much as memes are, I would say.
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11:04 < ThomasEgi> i'm always amazed by how people imagine how electronic works :P
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12:24 < ENKI-[quit]> hm
12:24 < ENKI-[quit]> kanzure: michael vassar of the singularity institute is lecturing this sunday and i'm invited. should i go?
12:25 < kanzure> only to socialize
12:25 < kanzure> to be honest, i haven't extracted much value or anything new from his talks/lectures
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12:26 < kanzure> tom will be in the audience, he looks like this: http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/mccabe.jpg
12:26 < kanzure> you could talk with him for a bit i guess
12:29 < ENKI-][> i'm certainly not involved in the singularity clique, so i won't get much out of it socially
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12:32 < kanzure> ENKI-][: it can be amusing/frustrating if you're into poking yourself in the eye a lot
12:33 < ENKI-][> kanzure: i develop oses for kicks. of COURSE i'm a masochist
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13:10 < ENKI-[quit]> http://bit.ly/eQV5Pt <-- interesting news day
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14:58 < kanzure> reasons not to think outside the box http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/17rodman.html
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17:07 < Jon_D> "Ask not what your universe can do for you; ask what you can do for your
17:07 < Jon_D> > universe."
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17:41 < kanzure> longevity stuff on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Oldest_people
17:41 < kanzure> which one of you is a wikipedia editor, anyway
17:41 < kanzure> hi sebastienb
17:41 < sebastienb> hi kanzure!
17:42 < sebastienb> busy?
17:42 < kanzure> somewhat. what's up
17:42 < sebastienb> wanted to chat gitduino with you, and so on.
17:42 < sebastienb> good time to do so?  :D
17:42 < kanzure> sure why not
17:43 < sebastienb> well, where are we at?  What are the next plot points, etc.
17:43 < sebastienb> waypoints.
17:43 < kanzure> i think it's pretty clear that i've missed a lot of deadlines so the usefulness of gitduino for your time-dependent predicament is not as strong as i originally claimed
17:43 < sebastienb> Certainly. No worries.
17:43 < kanzure> well, there's lots of debugging that i need to do for rendering of .scad files
17:44 < sebastienb> Hmm ....
17:44 < kanzure> but that part is 'working'
17:44 < sebastienb> :D
17:44 < kanzure> the next chunk of work is plug-and-chug typical website development
17:44 < sebastienb> And ... lessee.
17:44 < sebastienb> Yup. You working with that css  guru?
17:45 < kanzure> i.e. creating django models and views for displaying the different contents
17:45  * sebastienb should take a minute to check his email.
17:45 < kanzure> sort of- i need to scan in some drafts and mail those to him
17:45 < sebastienb> Ah.
17:46 < kanzure> overall there's been progress just not as fast as i'd like
17:46 < sebastienb> (reminds me, it may be good to occasionally chat this stuff in #reprap to build momentum there.)
17:46 < kanzure> nah dirty laundry isn't good
17:46 < sebastienb> Hmmm.
17:46 < sebastienb> But we need co-maintainers.
17:47 < sebastienb> I still need to send Reece your way.
17:47 < kanzure> okat
17:47 < kanzure> okay
17:47 < sebastienb> And ... that UBC student, maybe.
17:48 < kanzure> who are these people?
17:48 < sebastienb> Reece Arnott, who did carapace-copier.
17:49 < sebastienb> and ... can't remember his name, ubc mech eng. student who wants a
17:49 < sebastienb> locked-to-small-group wiki page and is using git.
17:49 < kanzure> cool. :) that's basically the plan for this
17:49 < kanzure> i mean, private pages for those who want it, for small teams
17:49 < kanzure> (and then charge $$ for larger private groups, bwahahaha)
17:49 < sebastienb> That will make some folk happy.
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17:50 < sebastienb> Um.
17:50 < sebastienb> So, reprap will be hosting a local install of gitduino, right?
17:50 < sebastienb> And you'll be doing up gitduino for corps on their servers, and making consultant-fees off of it?
17:51 < kanzure> that's the general idea yes
17:51 < sebastienb> 'k.
17:51  * sebastienb was fuzzy on that.  Good to know that you've got a funding model worked out.
17:51 < kanzure> the funding model is meaningless as long as the software isn't to a usable state ;)
17:51 < sebastienb> And you'll be able to use gitduino on reprap's server to recruit volunteer-devs.
17:52 < sebastienb> point.
17:52 < sebastienb> Do you have anyone who's tested the ikiwiki import script?
17:52 < sebastienb> That's a waypoint, I imagine.  :D
17:52 < kanzure> but yeha, "enterprise" version control and team hardware projects go for anywhere from $10k to $100k's
17:53 < kanzure> there is no ikiwiki import script
17:53 < sebastienb> Hmmm?
17:53 < kanzure> i was going to see if i could separate out individual projects from the wiki dump
17:53 < kanzure> and put those into separate repositories
17:53 < sebastienb> I thought we were importing each page from the wiki dump into ikiwiki.
17:53 < kanzure> i mean, a blanket dump to git isn't that useful; it's certainly doable
17:53 < kanzure> do you have a particular need for that?
17:54 < sebastienb> well.
17:54 < sebastienb> Buzz is reluctant to throw away that history data.
17:54 < kanzure> right, as he should be
17:55 < sebastienb> And ...
17:55 < kanzure> there's certain subsets that i think belong in reprap's svn repository for instance (but for practical reasons, they aren't)
17:55 < kanzure> but not everything on the reprap.org wiki is in the 'same' project
17:55 < sebastienb> There's a lot of legwork on your part to try identify what is part of what.
17:56 < kanzure> so a blanket dump of everything into ikiwiki just doesn't make much sense to me.. but again, if you have some reason to need that sooner-rather-than-later from me, i can hack at that
17:56 < kanzure> yes that's certainly true
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17:56 < kanzure> hi gleapsite
17:56 < gleapsite> hi kanzure
17:56 < gleapsite> I saw your email on enthought's con
17:56 < kanzure> i figured it was relevant
17:56 < gleapsite> most certainly
17:57 < sebastienb> And then some stuff in the wiki is cookbook-like recipes, which don't have associated cadfiles.
17:57 < sebastienb> Like a moldmaking tutorial.
17:57 < kanzure> sebastienb: yeah, i've been focusing on cad file rendering because that's probably the most difficult part of all of gitduino, but of course other content types should be supported, especially standalone documentation and wiki text
17:57 < sebastienb> And I'd guess that a moldmaking tut. would get dumped directly into an ikiwiki page.
17:57 < sebastienb> ok!
17:58 < kanzure> but you're right, this is a lot of legwork
17:58 < kanzure> i mean, basically we're talking about seeding a lot of repositories
17:58 < kanzure> and keeping their interconnectedness (like with links etc.)
17:59 < sebastienb> Much of it may be doable post launch?
17:59 < sebastienb> Like, if x and y need to be merged, a drive-by editor can flag that, etc.
17:59 < kanzure> sounds fine to me..
18:00 < kanzure> hm
18:00 < sebastienb> Where are you based these days?  Still at uni?
18:00 < kanzure> based out of austin, texas, not in university
18:00 < sebastienb> It's a fun bit of the woods.
18:01 < sebastienb> one sec.
18:02 < kanzure> actually, now that i think about it, lots of the remaining gitduino tasks are "downhill" work
18:02 < sebastienb> Yup.
18:02 < kanzure> the "order a pizza and work for 12 hours straight" kinda work (the best kind)
18:02 < sebastienb> The trick will be figuring out how much polish it needs when.
18:02 < kanzure> 100% polish 100% of the time?
18:03 < sebastienb> I meant more like, visual.
18:03 < sebastienb> And look and feel.
18:04 < sebastienb> When do you think you'll be self-hosting the code base, btw?
18:05 < kanzure> i think that depends on what i work on specifically
18:05 < kanzure> i mean, if i go for "displaying a project's contents", then that's easily next up on the list
18:06 < kanzure> jrayhawk: did i ever fix the group name length issue?
18:06 < sebastienb> self-hosting the code base is probably a useful waypoint before recruiting comaintainers.
18:06 < kanzure> why do you say that?
18:07 < sebastienb> Because at that point the project has a ... wholeness to it?
18:07 < kanzure> you're probably right anyway
18:07 < kanzure> ok
18:08 < sebastienb> Changing the focus, slightly, how much have you thought about the social-networking-esque, rich user pages?
18:09  * sebastienb styles his hair into PHB points.
18:09 < kanzure> oh, a little- not by much though
18:09 < kanzure> i do like github's concept of activity feeds, watching users, and watching projects for updates
18:09 < kanzure> and thingiverse's user page details like what a user has (inventory), what their projects are, etc.
18:10 < sebastienb> Yup. t-verse and deviantart.
18:10 < kanzure> deviantart's profile pages are pretty basic
18:10 < sebastienb> That may be something Anthony Aragues and I can think about.
18:10 < kanzure> it's like "here's my drawings, now comment on them or else, also here's some metadata"
18:10 < sebastienb> kanzure, point, but deviantart's pages are very well evolved for what they do perhaps?
18:10 < kanzure> oh also a list of their friends
18:11 < sebastienb> I remember wikia's social networking plugin also had 'enemies'.
18:11 < kanzure> yeah no thanks
18:11 < kanzure> no frenemies either
18:11 < sebastienb> Probably may want to leave that out of gitduino.
18:11 < sebastienb> frenemies.
18:12 < sebastienb> Like bedbuddies, but you hate yourself afterwards.
18:12 < sebastienb> Want to cc-me on the emailed sketches?
18:12 < kanzure> sure
18:13 < kanzure> one thing i don't like is how thingiverse splatters each page with hundreds of avatars
18:13 < kanzure> i've come for hardware, not faces
18:13 < sebastienb> There may be a good clay-shirkey reason for it, tho.
18:13 < gleapsite> branding.
18:13 < kanzure> social wankery?
18:14 < sebastienb> Come for the hardware, stay for the community?
18:14 < kanzure> bah, you get community anyway
18:14 < kanzure> github has community but you don't see them splasting up 100s of avatars on each page
18:14  * sebastienb has spent the last 5 years trying to build community ...
18:14 < gleapsite> I like reddit's system where they highlight friends orange.
18:14 < kanzure> gleapsite: "friendly commits"?
18:15 < sebastienb> Hmm ... that's a neat touch gleapsite.
18:16 < gleapsite> the source of an article is also highlighted
18:16 < gleapsite> so maybe instead of me having to read "maintainer" or w/e I can just see the  red text username [m]
18:17 < sebastienb> One ... highly fun feature will be gently translating incoming t-verse links in the wiki into internal links, perhaps.
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18:18 < kanzure> yes
18:18 < kanzure> :)
18:18 < sebastienb> :D
18:18 < sebastienb> Let's see. Anything else on the agenda?
18:19 < sebastienb> Ah.
18:19 < sebastienb> You're doing the water-filtration contest infrastructure.
18:19 < kanzure> yeah i guess
18:19 < kanzure> i'm not really sure why
18:19 < kanzure> since it's not open source, why are the reprap guys judging it?
18:19 < jrayhawk> I have a way forward on the group name issue, but I haven't had time to pursue it.
18:19 < sebastienb> When you need it, ping me and I'll use reprap's blog to give it a shout-out.
18:20 < sebastienb> Wait.
18:20 < jrayhawk> You or Jules could attack it; I think I have notes in a bug on there.
18:20 < sebastienb> Is reprap judging the water filtration contest?
18:20  * sebastienb  boggles very gently.
18:21 < sebastienb> I was just offering to blog-post a shout-out when you need it.
18:21 < sebastienb> I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding something.
18:22 < kanzure> haha
18:22 < kanzure> well, kartik says "the reprap guys are really into this"
18:24 < sebastienb> Ok!
18:25  * sebastienb would suggest David Suzuki or someone with greater name-recognition.
18:26  * sebastienb cocks head gently.
18:27 < kanzure> yeah i don't know what to tell kartik
18:27 < kanzure> "it should be open source"
18:27 < sebastienb> This is the sort of thing that goes to Adrian to think about, I think.  Don't think I should worry about it, exactly.
18:28 < sebastienb> Speaking casually, and in a non-authoritative, non-commital manner ...
18:29 < sebastienb> It's all good.
18:29 < sebastienb> :D
18:30 < sebastienb> So, what's the advanced, far-future stuff you've  been day-dreaming about for gitudion.
18:30 < sebastienb> gitduino, rather.
18:30 < kanzure> F-16s.
18:31 < gleapsite> isn't there already some UAV files on t-verse?
18:31 < sebastienb> As long as they're self-repping, it's all good.
18:32 < kanzure> also, nuclear missiles (called "lolnuke)"
18:32 < kanzure> i have a solidworks plugin, but don't tell anyone
18:32 < sebastienb> I'm hoping at some point that we'll have carbon-fiber deposition under the reprap umbrella.
18:34 < kanzure> gitduino is a submarine company to totally obliterate the u.s. patent office
18:34 < kanzure> (not really, but it'd be nice)
18:35 < sebastienb> At some point it may be useful to think about where your servers are located.
18:35 < kanzure> amazon ec2
18:35 < sebastienb> Ah.
18:35 < kanzure> actually, that's not a good idea long-term
18:35 < sebastienb> Well, not an issue till we 1: have files, and 2: launch.
18:36 < sebastienb> Erik may be willing to host reprap at some point.
18:36 < kanzure> right now jrayhawk is hosting gitduino for me
18:36 < sebastienb> Thanks, jrayhawk!
18:36 < kanzure> but he'll probably kick me off when i start advertizing paid services on the site (which is OK with me)
18:37 < kanzure> another thing to add is some of the webgl/javascript CAD editors
18:37 < gleapsite> services?
18:37 < kanzure> http://www.1011ltd.com/web/blog/post/im_building_a_webgl_tool
18:38 < kanzure> gleapsite: like "host a private gitduino server, only $90000000!"
18:38 < gleapsite> similar to github
18:38 < sebastienb> There's a lot of closed-source cad-monkeys out there who need services like that.
18:38 < kanzure> what gave it away :p
18:38 < kanzure> sebastienb: yep
18:38 < kanzure> that's why there's a solidworks plugin
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18:38 < sebastienb> Ah.
18:39 < gleapsite> are you considering services similar to shapeways/ponoko?
18:39 < kanzure> no
18:39 < gleapsite> rgr wilco.
18:39 < sebastienb> gleapsite, it would require a lot of humans to stay on top of it.
18:39 < kanzure> huh?
18:40 < kanzure> gleapsite is talking about doing something like mfg.com
18:40 < sebastienb> for distributed printing.
18:40 < kanzure> where you pay for your parts to be made
18:40 < kanzure> yeah..
18:40 < sebastienb> Yes, a new fellow in the forum was suggesting a dedicated rate-your-neighbor forum where we can complain acerbically about suppliers.
18:41 < kanzure> there's a lot of "p2p printing services" popping up
18:41  * sebastienb is not very keen on rate-your-neighbor functionality.
18:41 < kanzure> 100kgarages and cloudfab for one,
18:41 < kanzure> plus a lot that use the word 'maker' in their name that i don't remember
18:41 < kanzure> (i purposefully forget those, i guess)
18:41 < gleapsite> because the barrier to entry is low enough for businesses... and approaching individual level
18:41 < sebastienb> Approaching?
18:42 < sebastienb> Yes, rather.
18:42 < kanzure> people already do it
18:42 < gleapsite> i do it
18:42 < sebastienb> All you need is a prusa and a web-presence.
18:43 < gleapsite> yup
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18:56 < sebastienb> kanzure, anything else on the agenda?  Or should I let you get back to Android programming?
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