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02:00 < dbolser> anyone got this real quick:
02:00 < dbolser> http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v2/n3/full/ncomms1211.html
02:01 < dbolser> I think I invented this in my mind ;-)
02:01 < dbolser> but not sure
02:03 < dbolser> ok, it's not what I had in mind (supplementary materials are available)
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03:40 < Utopiah> dbolser: Im not surprised Wayne Pennington was unhappy if you suggested his expertise could be replaced by few well tweaked algorithms and good datasets if only he were to confirm it (validating the Kaggle challenge results)
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06:01 < kanzure> hi Zit
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06:12 < dbolser> The Archon X Prize for Genomics offers a $10 million prize to to the first team that can sequence 100 human genomes within 10 days or less at a total cost of $10,000, with strict criteria for accuracy and completeness.
06:13 < dbolser> Utopiah: heheh
06:13 < dbolser> Utopiah: just sent you a mail
06:14 < dbolser> In the future when I have your email address to had
06:14 < dbolser> hand
06:15 < dbolser> did
06:17 < Utopiah> read it and yes, it sounds like "democratization" of, for them, a "serious topic" so again, Im not surprise even if I know it comes from the right mindset
06:17 < dbolser> http://www.iris.edu/data/seismograms/
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06:17 < dbolser> true, they won't get much out of helping us
06:18 < dbolser> But they get less from ignoring us imho
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06:21 < dbolser> http://www.iris.edu/data/request.htm I just need to get my head round how to do it
06:23 < Utopiah> but I dont think you should over think it either, I mean finding extra datasets is precisely what Kaggle winners usually do, they use the default datasets provided then to earn extra accuracity link to other datasets they thought might be useful and that they are used to though experience, they dont just limit themselves to the best tweaked algorithm (at least that's what I read in the blog posts of few challenge winners)
06:24 < dbolser> ic
06:24 < dbolser> but I need some data and it should have some quality, else we're doomed
06:24 < dbolser> I'd like the forum to create new data...
06:25 < dbolser> also, the format has to match the training data
06:26 < dbolser> meh... I'll try again when I have time
06:26 < dbolser> clicking round and round and not an actual datapoint in sight!
06:27 < dbolser> http://www.fdsn.org/
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10:28 < kanzure_> huh guess i'm doing to mardi gras
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11:52 < kanzure_> jrayhawk: google.org money? the only other thing i can think of is GSoC but there's no way you'd be caught dead in a school so i dunno
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12:05 < kanzure_> hi timothyschmidt
12:05 < timothyschmidt> heyo
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12:50 < kanzure_> hi Tyrant
12:50 < Tyrant> hey kanzure_
12:51 < Tyrant> whats up?
12:54 < kanzure_> nothing worth my time
12:54 < kanzure_> Tyrant: i was in palo alto w/ joe because of a 'future of open hardware' workshop i was invited to
12:54 < kanzure_> i took a transcript of the proceedings:
12:54 < kanzure_> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/iftf_open_hardware_future_workshop.html
12:54 < kanzure_> oh i linked you to that already, oops
12:55 < Tyrant> yeah thank you for that
12:56 < Tyrant> I'm going to be focusing mostly on open science first, why we need it, etc.
12:56 < Tyrant> and a few examples of people outside of industry and universities doing amazing things
12:57 < Tyrant> then go over some scientific instruments like my mass spec, the AFM, etc. that should be so much cheaper
12:57 < kanzure_> i don't know what you are talking about
12:57 < kanzure_> but i assume a BIL presentation
12:57 < Tyrant> yeah
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13:59 < kanzure_> "One side comment though is, Humanity+ is under no obligation to raise $$ for these prizes, we've merely agreed to host the prizes on our website & in our bank account & to manage the judging."
13:59 < kanzure_> oh god.
13:59 < kanzure_> this is stupid.
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14:11 < kanzure_> andy ellington on diybio: http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/58035/
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14:12 < kanzure_> http://ellingtonlab.org/blog/2010/07/01/on-fabs-and-dna-hacking-5/
14:14 < kanzure_> new page added: http://diybio.org/safety/biosafety-resources
14:15 < kanzure_> chemical compatibility app http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chemical-compatibility-database/id408288716?mt=8
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14:28 < kanzure_> i wonder why andy is so focused on diybio
14:28 < kanzure_> he was very hostile when i emailed him about something totally unrelated to diybio, and responded with some anti-diybio statements
14:29 < kanzure_> but now i'm wondering if he's one of the anonymous people on the list :P
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14:52 < kanzure_> hi QuantumG
14:53 < QuantumG> hey
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15:22 < Guest13231> Hullo
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16:11 < kanzure_> hi Zit
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16:26 < kanzure_> hi phillyj
16:26 < phillyj> hi
16:27 < phillyj> nothing new, needed some latex help so i logged in freenode
16:37 < kanzure_> ha ha ha
16:37 < kanzure_> "andrew hessel is the justin bieber of synthetic biology"
16:37 < kanzure_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRbCIduMGb0
16:39 < kanzure_> oh man, joseph sucks at video editing
16:40 < kanzure_> it seems to be screen capture plus him clicking a key to do looping?
16:44 < QuantumG> nah, I suck at video editing
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17:31 < JayDugger1> Good night, everyone.
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17:46 < kanzure_> ?? why is natasha vita-more creating a facebook page for the gada prizes
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18:43 < kanzure_> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/03/2143249/Timezone-Maintainer-Retiring#comments
18:43 < kanzure_> "
18:43 < kanzure_> You know you're awesome when IANA have to develop a transitioning strategy when you retire.
18:58 < kanzure_> hi thesnark
18:58 < thesnark> hey kanzure :D
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19:12 < Tyrant> kanzure_, media pariah?
19:13 < kanzure_> what?
19:16 < Tyrant> regarding natasha vita-more creating the gada prize page
19:16 < Tyrant> sorry should be more specific answering to stuff late
19:16 < kanzure_> i don't know what 'media pariah' means
19:16 < kanzure_> but all i know is that her images looked awful
19:16 < kanzure_> for a designer she doesn't seem to know much about good font choices
19:17 < Tyrant> she tries to get her image out there a lot
19:18 < Tyrant> i think she just created it so that it would be associated with her
19:18 < kanzure_> no i think someone assigned the task to her
19:18 < kanzure_> but i don't know why they would do that
19:18 < Tyrant> ah i see
19:19 < Tyrant> whats the link?
19:19 < kanzure_> it's just an email. doesn't matter yet
19:19 < kanzure_> this doesn't matter at all, actually
19:19 < kanzure_> shouldn't you be uploading mass spec schematics and CAD files
19:21 < Tyrant> i should be getting my presentation finalized and working on schematics, yes
19:21 < Tyrant> :)
19:21 < kanzure_> imho presentation is of lower priority than uploading schematics and CAD files
19:21 < Tyrant> im still a ways away from that
19:22 < Tyrant> the early stages of development will be semi-super sekret
19:22 < Tyrant> until i figure out the patent liabilities
19:22 < kanzure_> uh
19:22 < kanzure_> just so you know,
19:23 < kanzure_> that's inappropriate and wrong of you.
19:24 < Tyrant> how so?
19:24 < kanzure_> secrecy breeds secrecy
19:24 < kanzure_> best to just be open from the beginning
19:24 < kanzure_> instead of lying about being open
19:24 < kanzure_> *of being open source
19:25 < Tyrant> true, but its a pitfall i'll have to avoid
19:25 < kanzure_> you're not off to a good start :P
19:25 < Tyrant> haha
19:26 < Tyrant> well I'd like to be able to manufacture mass specs, not just make an open source one
19:26 < Tyrant> and for that i really need to know what the patent situation is
19:26 < Tyrant> and 'super sekret' means i won't be making a public web page for it
19:26 < Tyrant> plenty of people will still have it though
19:27 < kanzure_> sounds like bullshit to me
19:27 < kanzure_> just because you're manufacturing it doesn't mean it shouldn't be in a revision controlled repository with a permissive license
19:28 < Tyrant> if it sounds like bullshit to you then you can interpret it as such. fact of the matter stands that i'll be screwed before i even start if i get sued
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19:28 < kanzure_> i don't see what that has to do with anything i just said
19:28 < kanzure_> please re-read my comments
19:29 < Tyrant> sorry yeah misread. they will be in a repository
19:29 < Tyrant> just not at first
19:29 < kanzure_> yeah, that's wrong.
19:29 < Tyrant> by the time i can actually manufacture and sell, they definitely will be
19:29 < kanzure_> haha why would anyone believe you
19:30 < kanzure_> what a scam.
19:31 < Tyrant> heh
19:31 < Tyrant> well if thats the way you feel you are welcome to have nothing to do with it
19:31 < kanzure_> it's almost as bad as openpcr
19:32 < kanzure_> just don't lie and call it open source if you're not sharing it and being all s3kr1t
19:32 < kanzure_> we call that a trade secret
19:32 < Tyrant> the benefit i have from making it all 's3kr1t' at first is developing without having to worry about any patent conflicts
19:33 < Tyrant> but i gain no benefit from keeping it closed source after i have a handle on them
19:33 < kanzure_> but you see, your patent fears are bullshit right now because you're not selling anything
19:33 < kanzure_> let's put it this way,
19:33 < kanzure_> if patents didn't exist, i think you still wouldn't really be open source
19:33 < kanzure_> what do you think? if patents weren't an issue
19:34 < Tyrant> i would make it open source from the start
19:34 < kanzure_> ok right
19:34 < kanzure_> if you're truly worried about patents here,
19:34 < kanzure_> you release the schematics as Alex Kiselev and under some permissive license
19:35 < kanzure_> and manufacture it as a corporate entity (of some kind or another)
19:35 < kanzure_> if anything the company would be sued, not you
19:35 < kanzure_> while patent law trumps copyright law, patent law can't trump your artistic rendering of schematics and CAD files
19:36 < Tyrant> hmm
19:38 < Tyrant> now that sounds like bullshit
19:38 < Tyrant> but i know an ip lawyer
19:38 < Tyrant> i'll talk to him in depth
19:38 < Tyrant> if he's sure that i cant get sued over open source cad/schematics/etc then ill make it open source right away
19:38 < kanzure_> that's what LLCs are for, anyway
19:39 < kanzure_> note: if you publish *someone else's work* with a different license, then you're doing something illegal
19:39 < kanzure_> but so far all you're talking about is schematics/CAD based on patents
19:39 < kanzure_> (patent documents are in the public domain)
19:39 < Tyrant> what constitutes someone else's work though
19:39 < Tyrant> based on published research
19:39 < kanzure_> someone else's CAD file or schematic, copied verbatim
19:39 < kanzure_> i.e. a copyright law violation
19:40 < Tyrant> ah no I don't have any of those
19:40 < Tyrant> shitty scientific journal diagrams is mostly what i Have
19:40 < kanzure_> if you sublicense someone's patent for $100k/year, and they give you an exclusive license to some CAD files, and you re-license those ==> illegal
19:41 < Tyrant> like i said dont have any cad files from others
19:41 < Tyrant> :)
19:42 < Tyrant> Does the usual software licenses extend to hardware or do i have to use something else like ohanda?
19:42 < Tyrant> *OSHA
19:42 < kanzure_> people have been using GPL for hardware
19:43 < kanzure_> some people on thingiverse use Creative Commons CC-BY-SA for hardware
19:43 < kanzure_> others use TAPR.. honestly, GPL or CC-BY-SA should be ok for now
19:43 < kanzure_> OHANDA is more of a trademark, not a license
19:43 < kanzure_> ("the OHANDA group is pretty sure this meets most of the definitions of open source, so it gets to use the OHANDA stamp of approval")
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22:21 < QuantumG> hey
22:21 < ybit> thoughts on skdb?
22:21 < QuantumG> nope
22:21 < ybit> :D
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