--- Log opened Sat Mar 05 00:00:10 2011
00:03 < ybit> timschmidt: pong
00:04 < ybit> timschmidt: i know you weren't pinging me, but i couldn't resist
00:04 < timschmidt> I've discovered a way to get nearly infinite funding
00:04  * ybit wants to hear!
00:04 < timschmidt> http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-surgeon-kidney-ted-stage.html
00:04 < ybit> o right, i have something that i would like to share as well
00:04 < ybit> i saw that
00:04 < timschmidt> adapt this technology to print large penises
00:05 < ybit> hrm
00:05 < ybit> i like it! :P
00:05 < timschmidt> someone rich has to be willing to pay for that
00:05 < timschmidt> lol
00:05 < ybit> maybe if we could make reprapped dildos softer, that might be a way to go about it
00:07 < ybit> reprapped sex toys, there's a niche
00:08 < ybit> so i was thinking about skdb, i want a database of not just hardware, but projects of all sorts
00:08 < ybit> e.g. how to extract dna from *
00:08 < ybit> i want a whole category of these projects in the db
00:11 < ybit> i'm not really sure where the line is drawn though, e.g. people might want to start including recipes for their custom built kitchen bots
00:12 < ybit> i don't mind having everything, but then there has to be a limit, right?
00:12 < ybit> at some point, most of skdb could be filled with 4chan and urbandictionary stuff
00:13 < ybit> ..if there isn't some distinction for what is allowed in
00:13 < ybit> timschmidt: thoughts?
00:14 < ybit> or if anyone else wants to chime in, feel free
00:14  * ybit highlights the entire channel in his head
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00:28 < ybit> also what's with h+ using elluminate :\
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00:47 < ybit> s/skdb/gitduino whatever it's called now
00:48 < JayDugger> :)
00:50 < ybit> 06:30 < kanzure> joshcryer: gitduino is github+thingiverse
00:50 < ybit> 06:30 < kanzure> joshcryer: skdb is still what it was
00:50 < ybit> well, there we have it
00:50 < JayDugger> Thank you, ybit.
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00:51 < ybit> JayDugger, check out the logs from tonight before you joined and feel free to comment
00:51 < ybit> http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-03-05.log
01:00 < ybit> i want revision control for projects, not just for physical hardware
01:03 < ybit> criticism, scolding, all welcome
01:13 < ybit> JayDugger: whenever that coffee settles :)
01:13 < timschmidt> I'm back
01:13 < ybit> excellent
01:13 < timschmidt> ybit: what you're really talking about with recipes, 4chan, etc. is skdb distributions
01:13 < timschmidt> ala linux distributions
01:14 < ybit> package management distributions, interesting thought!
01:14 < timschmidt> we can start out with everything in some official skdb tree, but we'll probably end up with more than one
01:15 < timschmidt> what gets included becomes a per-distribution policy
01:17 < ybit> i like this idea
01:17 < JayDugger> Good morning, timschmidt.
01:17 < timschmidt> morning
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01:35 < archels> Could someone grab this? http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2011/03/02/science.1199702
01:35 < archels> Strangely, neither of the two universities that I can SSH to have access to Science Express...
01:35 < ybit> also, tim schmidt/win 15
01:35 < ybit> whoops :D
01:36 < ybit> was just telling someone about your comment
01:36  * ybit sleeps
01:37 < ybit> but first, archels, i can't access that. my access to academic papers probably sucks harder than your access
01:38 < timschmidt> ybit: do you have some sort of tim schmidt win-o-meter?
01:38 < ybit> timschmidt: yeah, you set it off 30 minutes ago
01:38 < timschmidt> for the 15th time?
01:39 < ybit> yeah, the printable dildo was 14
01:39 < ybit> archels: speak with phreedom
01:39 < ybit> he can't access your paper, but he probably wants your ssh access
01:39 < timschmidt> I don't think dildos are a win...  to get the big money, you'd need to be able to print the real thing
01:39 < ybit> why is that?
01:40 < timschmidt> because I'm sure there are some not-very-well endowed rich folk out there who would like to permanently change that
01:40 < wrldpc2> the flesh will atrophy and rot
01:40 < timschmidt> not once it's attached to a person :P
01:40 < wrldpc2> oh you're talking about transplantation?
01:40 < wrldpc2> lol
01:40 < wrldpc2> k
01:41 < timschmidt> I'm talking BIG money
01:41 < wrldpc2> i thought we were talking about the dildo market still
01:41 < wrldpc2> yeah there is huge money in that
01:41 < wrldpc2> penisgrafts
01:41 < ybit> oddly enough, i talked about penises for about an hour yesterday, one concern that i would have about this is the maxiumum size penis that a person can have
01:42 < wrldpc2> Dong is a buzzword on #noisebridge
01:42 < ybit> there was supposedly a story about a guy who had such a large penis that he was unable to get an erection
01:42 < timschmidt> yeah, there's a video
01:42 < ybit> or something like if he did, he would die
01:42 < ybit> i didn't pay too much attention
01:43 < wrldpc2> midas
01:43 < ybit> 04:41 < timschmidt> I'm talking BIG money
01:43 < ybit> mostly in the asian market ;D
01:43 < wrldpc2> what happens to a penis under myostatin inhibition?
01:44 < wrldpc2> particularly, India, ybit.
01:44 < ybit> i was thinking japan
01:44 < wrldpc2> Indian penises are the smallest in Asia.
01:44 < ybit> though i'm sure china suffers
01:44 < ybit> wrldpc2: this i did not know
01:44 < wrldpc2> Oh yeah, Japan would be a "big" market.
01:44 < timschmidt> disturbingly large penis guy used this stuff: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Site_enhancement_oil#Non_muscle-developing_methods
01:44 < wrldpc2> legions of asian men with massive penises.
01:45 < wrldpc2> I wonder if there would be a weight to performance ratio problem if you didn't replace the testicles as well.
01:45 < wrldpc2> okay i'm done.
01:45 < ybit> no, no. keep going! :P
01:45 < ybit> i declare the next 15 mintues penis time
01:46 < wrldpc2> lol
01:46 < wrldpc2> ooh i found a wikipedia typo.  i love fixing these.
01:47 < wrldpc2> " many brands are available o the internet"
01:47 < timschmidt> I just thought, you know, we can print organs.  What's stopping us from making improved versions? (by some definitions of improved)
01:48 < timschmidt> wrldpc2: no, that was correct.  Grammar is different o the internet.
01:48 < wrldpc2> lul
01:48 < wrldpc2> well if you're looking to make a quick billion you could do that
01:48 < wrldpc2> you'd have to train up a bunch of surgeons
01:48 < wrldpc2> which wouldn't be hard
01:49 < wrldpc2> i wonder if plastic surgeons could perform that kind of work
01:49 < timschmidt> pretty sure a few have already done this surgery...
01:49 < wrldpc2> ..
01:49 < wrldpc2> i don't want to know.
01:49 < timschmidt> what with John Bobbit
01:49 < wrldpc2> ah yes
01:49 < wrldpc2> let's print the organ first.
01:49 < timschmidt> it seems that's the last thing left to do
01:51 < wrldpc2> i haven't watched this ted talk yet
01:51 < wrldpc2> are these the organovo people?
01:51 < wrldpc2> nope.
01:51 < wrldpc2> huh.
01:51 < timschmidt> There's also quite a lot of knowledge in the area of sexual reassignment surgeries.
01:51 < timschmidt> which would undoubtedly be applicable
01:52 < wrldpc2> yes, protocol development would take less than a month.
01:52 < wrldpc2> i guess we would print to order.
01:52 < wrldpc2> or whoever.
01:52 < wrldpc2> fedex the pen0r
01:52 < timschmidt> lol
01:53 < wrldpc2> you'd probably use preexisting shipping methods
01:53 < wrldpc2> I assume organs are shipped all the time.
01:53 < wrldpc2> is there a dedicated courier service for something like that?
01:53 < ybit> eek, 3:53am
01:53 < wrldpc2> aye
01:53 < ybit> penis time is almost over :\
01:54 < ybit> *rimshot*
01:54 < wrldpc2> i think it's reached its climax.
01:54 < ybit> uhum, i have nothing interesting to add, doing good to type and keep my eyes awake
01:55 < ybit> timschmidt: thanks for the wonderful image of printable penises before sleeping
01:55 < timschmidt> hahahaha
01:55 < wrldpc2> yeah, thanks for that.
01:55 < wrldpc2> ..
01:55 < wrldpc2> You know some freak is going to request tentacle-sized prints.
01:56 < timschmidt> tentacle _shaped_ prints
01:56 < wrldpc2> lol
01:56 < wrldpc2> you're going to have people requesting multiple penises
01:57 < wrldpc2> they won't have enough blood to power them.
01:57 < timschmidt> the fork, the trident, the curly straw...
01:57 < wrldpc2> ..
01:57 < wrldpc2> the loop-de-loop
01:57 < wrldpc2> 3 minutes, 3 minutes.
01:58 < timschmidt> so    much     laughing
01:58 < wrldpc2> black men secretly wish they had smaller penises.
01:58 < wrldpc2> it would be interesting to watch the frequency of operative requests spanning the gamut of human customer ..
01:59 < wrldpc2> if some sick fuck asks for you to print a dog or cat penis i would request a full investigation be launched.
01:59 < wrldpc2> dna tests should confirm the species of the transplant recipient.
02:00 < timschmidt> I'm just going to leave this here: http://www.bad-dragon.com/toys
02:00 < wrldpc2> if someone wants somebody elses dick, that person should have the ability to license them the penis.
02:00 < wrldpc2> does Penis time extend to 7:01 or is it technically finished at 7?
02:00 < wrldpc2> 7pm japan time.
02:01 < wrldpc2> is that a real orca dick?
02:01 < JayDugger> At that point it will switch topics to other body parts.
02:01 < wrldpc2> LOLWTF the naga
02:02 < JayDugger> You'll also have to handle key-and-lock chastity prints.
02:02 < JayDugger> "Make certain your lover stays faithful--by design!"
02:03 < timschmidt> oh god, the dreaded penisDRM
02:03 < JayDugger> Yeah, not original to me.
02:03 < JayDugger> Greg Egan had it in a short story.
02:03 < wrldpc2> LOL
02:03 < wrldpc2> Egan is a master.
02:04 < wrldpc2> penisDRM  i am rofl
02:04 < wrldpc2> my entire room is in hysterics right now
02:04 < JayDugger> Discreetly, organs in matched pairs that would only physically fit into the other member of the set. Key-and-lock, so to speak.
02:05 < wrldpc2> of course the males will get shafted with having to undergo the operation first
02:05 < JayDugger> Does such a reduction in human sexual freedom doesn't strike me as progress, but hey--I just won't get one.
02:05 < wrldpc2> people could still cheat
02:06 < wrldpc2> take a mold of the vaginal lock
02:06 < JayDugger> I think Egan avoided that with having erectile tissue on both sides.
02:07 < JayDugger> With pegs and holes on the organs of both individuals.
02:07 < JayDugger> This raised gender identity questions, which, IIRC, was the story's ,ain theme.
02:07 < JayDugger> s/,ain/main/
02:07 < JayDugger> No, I don't recall the title.
02:08 < JayDugger> I think it appeared in a Year's Best SF collection.
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03:48 < Lukas> Good morning
03:51 < JayDugger> Good morning, Lukas.
03:51 < Lukas> This place has been empty for a while
03:51 < Lukas> what's going on?
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04:52 < JayDugger> Check the logs.
04:52 < JayDugger> I could tell you, but you wouldn't believe me.
04:52 < JayDugger> Nothing so exciting, but probably NSFW.
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05:15 < JayDugger> Can anyone confirm Robert Bradbury's death?
05:15 < JayDugger> Twitter doesn't count.
05:16 < JayDugger> I read the KurzweilAI obit.
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07:07 < kanzure> ybit: re: elluminate, ben goertzel wants h+ to be like 'singularity university' so he decided to use elluminate... i think he misses the point
07:12 < kanzure> JayDugger: yep, he's dead. david kekich confirmed with his brothers, and that's how amara from kurzweilai knew about it
07:14 < kanzure> timschmidt: delayed-pong
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08:00 < kanzure> Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CI1 Carbonaceous Meteorites http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html
08:04 < kanzure> http://journalofcosmology.com/images/1HooverFigure4b.jpg "Figure 4.a. FESEM image of permineralized remains in the Orgueil meteorite of polarized tapered filaments (diameter ~ 1 to 2.5 μm) with recognizable heterocysts interpreted as morphotypes of the cyanobacterium Calothrix spp. and. b. living filament of Calothrix sp. with a diameter ~ 0.8 μ and a basal heterocyst from the White River, Washington"
08:04 < kanzure> 5 microns http://journalofcosmology.com/images/HooverFigure4a.jpg
08:07 < kanzure> journal of cosmology is weird
08:07 < kanzure> why do they have all of these links to amazon?
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08:25 < timschmidt> kanzure: my billion dollar idea is in the logs from this morning
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09:31 < kanzure> oh god, people are mistaking tom for a "yale math professor"?
09:31 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.extropians/msg/3c36c40144022890
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11:33 < fenn>  heh heh heh. these people want to do a reality tv show about hackerspaces: http://intuitivellc.com/
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11:34 < ybit> fenn! hi.
11:37 < fenn> gender identity was not the main theme of schild's ladder
11:38 < fenn> also the lock and key thing was a local custom on a backwater colony, the point of it was that people could choose pretty much any aspect of their identity
11:38 < JayDugger> Fair enoughl
11:38 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
11:38 < JayDugger> I don't remember the short story, and it certainly wasn't Schild's Ladder.
11:39 < JayDugger> I remember the colonists telling the visiting starship it was an isolated custom, but I think the last few paragraphs reveal they lied to their visitors.
11:39 < JayDugger> No point arguing about fiction, though.
11:40 < JayDugger> Feel free to look it up.
11:41 < JayDugger> You can also pre-order his new book, The Clockwork Rocket, at Amazon.
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12:06 < ENKI-][> kanzure: http://humanityplus.org/h-seminars-and-salons-online/ <-- do you have any involvement with this divine nonsense?
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12:31 < kanzure> ENKI-][: nope :)
12:31 < kanzure> although i did argue against it..
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14:36 < Utopiah> http://www.scientistswithoutborders.org
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16:31 < kanzure> anyone else see todd's pic on the front page of the wall street journal a few days ago? :)
16:32 < ybit> kanzure: concerning what?
16:32 < kanzure> BIL/joseph jackson/diybio
16:33 < kanzure> grandma just emailed me "Did you go to CA an was it to the TED/BIL as per the article I sent you????"
16:33 < kanzure> why is she getting so good at lasering in on my friends
16:33 < ybit> maybe you got the stalking snp from her
16:33 < kanzure> probably just the 'crazy'
16:34 < ybit> were there plans for videos to be uploaded?
16:34 < kanzure> for BIL?
16:34 < kanzure> dunno
16:34 < kanzure> joe should know
16:35 < ybit> feel like i should get an e-book reader
16:35 < ybit> an old one
16:35 < ybit> the first kindle e.g. with its 0hz refresh rate :)
16:36 < ybit> Hz *shrug*
16:39 < kanzure> lol joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmTNtSs1UQY
16:41 < kanzure> he tried to call himself 'the arnold of open science' in that bieberhess video but i think the editing was just so awful it failed
16:45 < ybit> kanzure: i know why you have it
16:45 < ybit> don't try to act like you don't watch that each night before sleeping
16:45 < kanzure> INTERNET REMEMBERS ALL
16:45 < kanzure> i also have *your* embarrassing video too
16:46 < ybit> o? which one?
16:46 < kanzure> don't play dumb
16:46 < kanzure> :)
16:46 < ybit> gl finding my gay sex vid on youtube
16:46 < kanzure> eww
16:46 < kanzure> blargh i just killed my sound system on linxu
16:47 < kanzure> linux
16:47 < kanzure> alsa force-reload -> now nothing?
16:51 < ybit> listening to epic game soundtracks makes me almost want to watch something like Atlantis
16:53 < ybit> fenn: what are you doing these days in ca?
16:54 < kanzure> sound was fixed.
16:57 < kanzure> ybit: what do you think of the autogifter email
16:58 < ybit> kanzure: i think it's a decent idea, i'm not interested in doing the company thing again. as a matter of fact, this week the current company ends
16:59 < kanzure> what's the current company?
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16:59 < ybit> i have limited bandwidth (in the brain) unfortunately, i'm also going back to school
16:59 < kanzure> oh that's right, you're busy pissing away your life
16:59 < kanzure> have fun with that :)
16:59 < kanzure> :P
17:00 < ybit> yep :D
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19:20 < Tyrant> hey kanzure, may  I use some of the graphics in your H+ presentation such as the graph of DIYbio news exposure and some of the pictures of open source stuff?
19:22 < kanzure> yes
19:22 < kanzure> news graph http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/diybio/diybio-news-accumulative.png
19:23 < kanzure> source data: http://bit.ly/diybionews
19:24 < kanzure> caltech presentation http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/caltech_presentation.pdf
19:25 < kanzure> i have the others laying around if you want to use those specifically
19:25 < kanzure> ah here we go, the diy transhuman tech presentation http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diy-transhuman-tech.pdf
19:28 < Tyrant> thank you
19:28 < kanzure> i better get some shout outs :( or kickbacks
19:29 < kanzure> i also accept bribes
19:32 < Tyrant> lol
19:32 < Tyrant> ill try to get you or humanity+ in there somewhere
19:33 < kanzure> don't bother with h+
19:33 < kanzure> although http://gadaprize.org/ if you meet any reprappers
19:34 < Tyrant> im only staying for my presentation and a few others
19:34 < Tyrant> wont have time to mingle unfortunately ;(
19:35 < Tyrant> i'll mention the gada prize
19:35 < Tyrant> in the presentation
19:35 < Tyrant> I'll be going over hackerspaces, diybio, and a few of the DIY stuff out there
19:35 < Tyrant> CNCs, reprap, the DIY STM and AFMs, etc.
19:39 < kanzure> iirc this crowd knows about that
19:39 < Tyrant> yeah im guessing
19:39 < Tyrant> but tahts a small part
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20:57 < kanzure> anyone getting the espernet #biopunk spam?
21:00 < ybit> that's the first i've herad of the channel
21:01 < kanzure> who put this up? http://www.cyberpunked.org/bpkdir/
21:01 < kanzure> probably splicer nevermind
21:08 < kanzure> there's also #biohack trying to get more users
21:08 < kanzure> i wonder why people are bothering to wait 'til now for their irc channels
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21:27 < kanzure> wtf? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
21:28 < kanzure> i think i need to be stoned to read that
21:40 < Tyrant> crap i won't be presenting tomorrow
21:40 < Tyrant> fucking russian consulate
21:43 < kanzure> yeah i thought it was an unconference anyway
21:43 < kanzure> i don't understand how joe can be promising all these talks
21:43 < ybit> 19:59 < kanzure> what's the current company?
21:43 < ybit> i didn't see that
21:45 < ybit> it is a company with its main purpose "to make science affordable and accessible"
21:46 < ybit> we bought like 3-4 license to do businesses, we're legit, but i don't have time or skill to make anything of it right now
21:46 < ybit> s/businesses/business
21:46 < ybit> genebid was the first project
21:46 < kanzure> genebid still doesn't make sense
21:47 < ybit> ~~~
21:49 < Tyrant> kanzure, yeah after i heard how the time slots were filled i was like "wtf?"
21:50 < Tyrant> earliest i can get there is like 3pm so I wont get a slot
21:50 < ybit> damn, that sucks
21:50 < ybit> i was hoping to see the credits with a picture of me giving it to kanzure from behind
21:51 < kanzure> for that you'd need to actually have a dick, ybit
21:51 < ybit> or a strap-on
21:51 < kanzure> it goes without saying
21:56 < Tyrant> ybit what's the company?
21:56 < Tyrant> just read what you wrote above :p
21:58 < ybit> Tyrant: i called it humcie, but meh
21:59 < ybit> https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0ArdPHmiX_DgTdEktT1g0eEt1Z1pORVNGbU45LV9Xcmc&output=html
21:59 < ybit> posts per month on diybio
21:59 < ybit> was curious what the graph was
21:59 < Tyrant> what was genebid?
21:59 < kanzure> crowd-based negotiation on DNA synthesis prices
22:00 < ybit> an idea kanzure came up with
22:01 < ybit> i'd be curious to know how many of the emails are from people introducing new projects
22:01 < Tyrant> kanzure, so you're idea still doesnt make sense to you? :P
22:01 < kanzure> Tyrant: yep
22:01 < kanzure> to be honest, i'd rather just try my hand at better dna synthesis techniques to get the price lower
22:01 < kanzure> all this synthetic biology wankery has been focusing on next-generation dna sequencing
22:02 < kanzure> but writing is still expensive unless you're willing to ligate and use libraries like crazy
22:02 < Tyrant> meh it'll run its course
22:02 < kanzure> not really.. if you look it up, nobody has next-generation dna synthesis techniques
22:02 < Tyrant> has done or working on?
22:02 < kanzure> both!
22:03 < Tyrant> i thought halcyon got all that funding for next gen
22:03 < kanzure> for sequencing
22:03 < Tyrant> oh sorry misread
22:03 < Tyrant> starting to do that a lot these days
22:03 < kanzure> pacbio is doing sequencing-by-synthesis so they might turn it into a synthesis tech
22:03 < kanzure> but still..
22:03 < kanzure> the only other thing was a 2002 improvement on traditional oligonucleotide synthesis
22:03 < kanzure> reducing the reactions from four down to two
22:04 < kanzure> (for phosphoramidite additions)
22:04 < Tyrant> that was the last innovation?
22:04 < kanzure> yep
22:04 < ybit> i'm curious if we remove all of kanzure's emails on diybio, how that graph would look :D
22:04 < Tyrant> ybit, sparse at best
22:04 < kanzure> ybit: just -1693
22:04 < ybit> oh, that's not much at all
22:05 < kanzure> so about 2 months.
22:05 < ybit> i mean it's a large contribution, but it doesn't take much away
22:05 < kanzure> ybit: crazy thing i noticed the other day
22:05 < kanzure> hplusroadmap's biohacking stuff started in early 2008
22:05 < kanzure> and mac started emailing us about it
22:05 < kanzure> then in april started diybio.org
22:05 < kanzure> i totally forgot about that :)
22:06 < ybit> hrm, i never even thought about it
22:06 < kanzure> yeah crazy
22:06 < kanzure> of course, atillas and others have been yapping about "BioDIY" for years
22:07 < kanzure> http://pimm.wordpress.com/2007/01/24/what-is-biodiy/
22:07 < kanzure> http://attilachordash.newsvine.com/_news/2006/04/23/155889-biotech-diyers-do-not-hesitate
22:07 < ybit> i liked timothyschmidt's comment yesterday about different distribution of skdb
22:07 < kanzure> before there can be different distributions there has to be more packages, i think
22:07 < kanzure> just having everything from thingiverse is nice and all..
22:08 < kanzure> but it's not the best data in the world
22:08 < kanzure> also i don't think skdb-get.py can access the skdb packages of thingiverse things
22:08 < kanzure> (at the moment) (for various technical reasons)
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22:20 < QuantumG> http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1522-BWB-2011-03-04.mp3 listening to this one twice.. it's that good
22:21 < kanzure> good night
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