--- Log opened Sun Mar 06 00:00:10 2011 00:29 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@12.52.52.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:03 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- Zit [~Zit@c80-217-233-8.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:09 -!- mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.36.mpowercom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- Zit [~Zit@c80-217-233-8.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:32 -!- mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.36.mpowercom.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 03:10 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:11 -!- pasky [pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-50.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-50.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- ferrousw1eel is now known as ferrouswheel 04:05 -!- Lukas [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- Zit [~Zit@c80-217-233-8.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:20 < Lukas> Good morning 04:25 < JayDugger> Good morning. 04:27 < Lukas> Did I miss anything important? 04:27 < JayDugger> I don't knowl 04:27 < JayDugger> know. 04:27 < JayDugger> Pretty 04:27 < JayDugger> Pretty quiet so far. 04:28 < Lukas> Alright, thanks 04:29 < Lukas> hopefully I'll have a decent 'status report' for you guys in a month or so 04:30 < Lukas> between iGEM, biohack.me, and a potential transhumanist organization at my University, there is a lot going on 04:40 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- Lukas [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:25 -!- Zit [~Zit@c80-217-233-8.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:42 < Utopiah> http://www.peerevaluation.org/about-peer-evaluation/http://www.peerevaluation.org/about-peer-evaluation/ 05:42 < Utopiah> or rather http://www.peerevaluation.org/about-peer-evaluation/ 06:26 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-66-66-10-44.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:51 < ENKI-][> kanzure: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/opencog-artificial-general-intelligence.html <-- seen this nonsense yet? 07:57 -!- mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.2.mpowercom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- mheld__ [~mheld@50.12.153.235] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:07 -!- mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.2.mpowercom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07 -!- mheld__ is now known as mheld 08:26 < kanzure> diybio newcastle http://diybioncl.eventbrite.com 08:26 < kanzure> ENKI-][: yeah :( ben goertzel is really good at trying to make opencog seem relevant 08:27 < kanzure> i have no idea how he managed to get opencog into google summer of code that one year 08:31 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-66-66-10-44.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:36 < kanzure> aw don't tell me the russians are becoming softies http://immortaz.livejournal.com/125467.html 08:38 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-75-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:39 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, the whole world is becoming soft ;) 08:39 < ThomasEgi> at least in average 08:41 < kanzure> so what you're saying is we need a global hottie to make everyone hard? 08:41 -!- Zit [Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 < ThomasEgi> no. let the world do what they want. just dont let them influence you. 08:45 -!- mheld [~mheld@50.12.153.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:56 < kanzure> ha i didn't know the biobricks site was hosted on openwetware.org http://bbf.openwetware.org/ 08:58 -!- klafka [~textual@184-8-220-249.dsl1-plymouth.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279559238.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:44 < ENKI-][> kanzure: it's fairly frightening. opencog is prolog written in lisp with multivalue logic and a standard library of truisms. it's far too neat to be of use to AGI projects. 09:45 < kanzure> iirc there's a nice hypergraph library in there 09:45 < ENKI-][> not that it's fundamentally useless, but it won't give anybody an AGI in polynomial time by itself 09:46 < ENKI-][> don't get me wrong. i like it. but it won't become a toddler in twelve years. it won't even become a cat in twelve years, whereas blue brain will become a cat in six 09:46 < kanzure> actually, blue brain lost funding 09:46 < kanzure> last i heard. 09:46 < kanzure> IBM announced they simulated a cat cortex 09:47 < kanzure> henry said "it's just the same number of neurons, it's not really a cat structure" 09:47 < kanzure> then IBM yanked some (all?) of his fundin 09:47 < kanzure> funding 09:51 < ENKI-][> >.< 09:51 < ENKI-][> that's no fun 09:56 < kanzure> ENKI-][: have you ever played with NEURON? 09:56 < kanzure> i'm p. sure that's what markram's group uses 09:56 < kanzure> it was nicer than i thought it would be 09:57 < kanzure> it uses some domain-specific language for defining ion channels, ions and various concentrations and gradients 09:59 < kanzure> if anything it would be neat to at least figure out a way to render images like this: 09:59 < kanzure> http://www.hiddengarments.cn/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blue-brain-project.jpg 10:00 < kanzure> but sometimes it looks like they change their rendering http://documents.epfl.ch/groups/e/e-/e-news/www/nov-dec_2007/Inside_Network_enews.jpg 10:01 < kanzure> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a6500SnWswg/SNPc2SHXYvI/AAAAAAAABGg/EYgsKUArnw0/s400/ieeecolumn.jpe 10:12 -!- Lukas_ [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 -!- Lukas_ is now known as Guest93301 10:15 -!- Guest93301 [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Client Quit] 10:18 < ENKI-][> kanzure: will it run on a bitty netbook with 32-bit linux? 10:19 < kanzure> *shrug* sure 10:19 < kanzure> just not a hundred trillion neurons ;) 10:31 -!- jrabbit [~babyseal@unaffiliated/jrabbit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:16 -!- klafka [~textual@184-8-220-249.dsl1-plymouth.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:28 < kanzure> wow 11:28 < kanzure> marshall brain sold howstuffworks.com to Discovery Communications in 2007 for $250 million 11:29 < kanzure> marshall has money? 11:38 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-66-66-10-44.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- mheld__ [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-66-66-10-44.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:44 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44 -!- mheld__ is now known as mheld 11:57 -!- Zit [Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:02 -!- Zit [Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- Zit [Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:10 -!- Zit [~Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:13 < ybit> hrm 12:13 < ybit> kanzure: linkage to blue brain losing funding 12:14 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project#Funding 12:14 < ybit> cajal blue brain 12:15 < ybit> now there's something i didn't know about 12:15 < ybit> http://cajalbbp.cesvima.upm.es/ 12:16 < ybit> one more thing to do while i'm in spain 12:26 < kanzure> h+ is looking for an editor for hplusmagazine 12:26 < kanzure> if any of you want the role you can have it, but it only pays $400/mo 12:50 < jrabbit> I think I mgiht have a friend who'd be intrested whats the workload like? 12:51 < kanzure> lots of pestering of authors to get them to submit articles 12:51 < kanzure> rejecting shitty articles 12:52 < kanzure> so.. like all of them 12:52 < jrabbit> haha. 12:52 < jrabbit> I'll let him know 12:54 < ybit> and how much time... 12:54 < jrabbit> Got an email I can tell him to reply to? 12:54 * ybit is cleansing friends list 12:54 < jrabbit> oh I found it kanzure. 12:54 < ybit> about 500 more to go 12:55 < jrabbit> emailed my journo-curious friend 12:55 < kanzure> jrabbit: what email did you find? 12:56 < jrabbit> kanzure@gmail.com on your website :P 12:56 < kanzure> oh email address. ok 12:56 < kanzure> i learned of this via an email so i thought you had that 12:56 < jrabbit> nah 12:56 < jrabbit> eh oh well :P 13:08 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30 < kanzure> jrabbit: ok i got the email from grant 13:51 -!- epitron_ [~epitron@ava.ponzo.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- epitron_ [~epitron@ava.ponzo.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:51 -!- epitron_ [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- timothyschmidt [~timschmid@h75-100-207-94.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51 -!- AaronBar1 [tetsu@pool-72-64-141-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- |Helleshin| [~Helleshin@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- kanzure_ [~kanzure@bioinformatics.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- timothyschmidt [~timschmid@h75-100-207-94.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- fenn [~fenn@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- AaronBarr [tetsu@pool-72-64-141-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- kanzure__ [~kanzure@bioinformatics.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- Helleshin [~Helleshin@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- jebba [~jebba@jebba.cwx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:52 -!- jebba1 [~jebba@jebba.cwx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- epitron_ is now known as epitron 13:53 -!- epitron is now known as _epitron 13:53 -!- _epitron is now known as epitron 13:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 13:56 -!- fenn [~fenn@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 < kanzure> hi fenn 13:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-12.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-12.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 -!- Lukas [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 -!- Lukas [44c29d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.157.4] has quit [Client Quit] 14:47 -!- Zit [~Zit@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13 < kanzure> "exome sequencing for just $2,000" http://www.axeq.com/axeq_en.html 15:44 < ybit> who is peter lai 15:44 < ybit> kanzure, he's a mutual friend on facebook 15:44 < ybit> but you're the only mutual friend 15:44 * ybit is purging fbook friends he doesn't know or care about 15:45 < ybit> just curious about this guy since he lives in alabama 15:45 < ybit> oh well, removed, don't care 15:59 < kanzure> ybit: he's cowbert 15:59 < kanzure> iirc he does some sysadmin work 16:17 -!- mheld__ [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:19 -!- mheld__ is now known as mheld 16:59 < ybit> http://ingenuitas.com/ 16:59 < ybit> "At Ingenuitas, we're working to build an Open Innovation ecosystem in today's manufacturing marketplace. Our mission is lowering the barriers for collaboration for companies using computer vision, data aquisition, and robotics. " 17:00 < kanzure> backyard brains is up to no good :) http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/03/remote-controlled-cockroach.html 17:02 < ybit> nice 17:10 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-59-157-3.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-59-157-3.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 < kanzure> grandma wants to read 'the singularity is near' what do i do 19:29 < kanzure> i should probably just have her watch some andrew hessel videos instead 19:30 < drazak_> is she afraid you'll get possessed by the devil? 19:35 < kanzure> ybit's theory is that she has my stalking gene and is just honing in on my interests more sharply 19:36 < kanzure> i wouldn't be surprised if she /joins this chan 19:39 -!- jebba1 [~jebba@jebba.cwx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42 -!- jebba [~jebba@jebba.cwx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 < ybit> sounds like a cool grandma 20:31 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:38 < kanzure> jrayhawk: !! if this was slightly more coherent it could top time cube 20:38 < kanzure> http://www.transalchemy.com/2011/03/summoning-judgement-day.html 20:38 < kanzure> i especially like the parts about eliezer 20:38 < kanzure> and michael vassar 20:54 -!- jennicide [jen@173-19-240-62.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- jennicide [jen@173-19-240-62.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03 -!- jennicide [jen@173-19-240-62.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 -!- alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279559238.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31 < mjr> kanzure, ... 21:39 < kanzure> mjr: ? 22:40 -!- AaronBar1 [tetsu@pool-72-64-141-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:41 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42 -!- AaronBarr [tetsu@pool-72-64-141-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:49 < kanzure> ybit: you're probably into this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/Circular%20multilateral%20barter.pdf 22:51 -!- Utopiah_ [~libre@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:52 -!- ferrousw1eel [~joel@li159-85.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:55 -!- CryptoQuick_ [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:55 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: CryptoQuick, AlonzoTG, ferrouswheel, CIA-15, Utopiah 22:55 -!- CryptoQuick_ is now known as CryptoQuick 22:55 -!- CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: AlonzoTG 23:10 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:31 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CryptoQuick] 23:49 -!- ferrousw1eel is now known as ferrouswheel 23:51 -!- mheld [~mheld@184.232.191.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Mar 07 00:00:10 2011