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01:13 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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01:57 < alystair> what's so good about it
02:01 < JayDugger> Breathing.
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02:36 < JayDugger> I just noticed that VLC does screen recording.
02:36 < JayDugger> It also very nicely captures video from my webcam.
02:38 < JayDugger> This makes it pretty easy to synchronize my point of attention by eye gaze and mouse tracking (IOGraph) with the desktop screen capture.
02:38 < JayDugger> Any ideas on how to use that in some constructive fashion?
02:38 < JayDugger> I haven't the skill to see how to use it for UI improvement, such as eye tracking or gesture recognition.
02:49 < JayDugger> It could serve for remote troubleshooting. E.g., your mother calls with some computer problem. You ask her what time the problem happened, and then playback the files that span her problem.
02:50 < JayDugger> You can then see what happened on screen, and you can also see the simultaneous facial expression. This lets you tell where she became confused.
02:51 < JayDugger> That has obvious privacy problems.
02:58 < Utopiah> (didn't know http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/people/takehiko/ nor http://iographica.com/ )
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03:04 < Utopiah> the kind of practical use I had with a webcam on myself was a software to track head position and see if you are well seated and warn you when you are not but I didn't explore that a lot anyway
03:05 < JayDugger> I used IOGraph, but it told me very little. I think this happens because I touch-type and because I use xmonad, a tiling window manager.
03:07 < JayDugger> I'd like to replace my keyboard with an overhead camera that watches my hands. That doesn't seem quite practical yet.
03:09 < JayDugger> Gack...and Firefox 4 breaks all my most useful extensions.
03:12 < JayDugger> http://flic.kr/p/82F3q2
03:12 < JayDugger> That shows a day's worth of IOgraph output.
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04:43 < JayDugger> Now, if I could figure out why I can't stream the capture.
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07:15 < mjr> Simulations: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2203#comic
08:06 < JayDugger> ...
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08:14 < Guest62404> Good morning
08:16 < JayDugger> Good morning.
08:25 < kanzure> oh boy.. h+ is now claiming that i'm "unprofessional" for not indefinitely fixing bugs on the hplusmagazine.com work
08:26 < kanzure> we didn't even have a contract
08:30 < JayDugger> "Get it writing." It's an adage for a reason.
09:00 < kanzure> "Half of the work my company Novamente LLC does for customers is donevia "handshake" arrangements without contracts."
09:00 < kanzure> "The magazine is crap now, and it is YOUR fault"
09:00 < kanzure> then pay me to fix it?
09:00 < JayDugger> ...
09:00 < kanzure> i don't really want to work for goertzel, he is being extremely hostile
09:00 < JayDugger> Novamente's business practices don't necessarily set a precedent.
09:01 < kanzure> oh well. always get a contract upfront
09:01 < JayDugger> Lesson learned?
09:01 < kanzure> it's unfortunate that he thinks negatively of me now
09:01 < kanzure> but it's worrisome that he's furious- he might hurt himself
09:01 < JayDugger> And that's your responsibility?
09:01 < kanzure> nope
09:01 < JayDugger> There you go.
09:02 < kanzure> maybe i should tell h+ that i'm "leaving" them
09:02 < kanzure> and that when goertzel is gone i'd be happy to consider any formal contracting arrangements
09:03 < JayDugger> Give it a day or two. That will give you a chance to avoid making a mistake in haste.
09:03 < kanzure> (actually, i don't think i would be)
09:03 < JayDugger> You might not, true. It becomes even less likely if you exercise patience.
09:03 < kanzure> it's a little weird though, why didn't ben insist on a contract?
09:04 < kanzure> if he really has all that business experience, he should know better
09:04 < JayDugger> Bad habit on his part?
09:04 < kanzure> and he probably does, which means he purposefully put me in this situation
09:04 < kanzure> disappointing..
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09:04 < JayDugger> That's plausible speculation, but not necessarily a deduction.
09:04 < JayDugger> Man...I feel like Eliza.
09:05 < kanzure> "And how does that make you feel?"
09:05 < JayDugger> Like I should stop wasting bandwidth and start the emacs server. :)
09:07 < kanzure> so the normal contract that i use is the typical one for companies/corporations
09:07 < kanzure> where they own all of the resulting "IP"
09:07 < kanzure> for a non-profit, i'm not so sure what that contract would've looked like
09:07 < JayDugger> Why change it?
09:08 < kanzure> because non-profits don't have the same contracting requirements, presumably
09:08 < JayDugger> I've not done non-profit work.
09:11 < JayDugger> I can't talk with any knowledge.
09:20 < kanzure> wut? i wonder what the paper says
09:20 < kanzure> http://politics.slashdot.org/story/11/04/03/0241232/Engineering-Election-Debates-With-Subtle-Cues
09:20 < kanzure> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0018154
09:26 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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11:35 < jebbafuego> JayDugger: hey, Gary Johnson certainly supports DYI Bio. When i brought it up to him, he expounded on the rights to sell your own body parts, for example....
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11:51 < kanzure> just never the whole package at once?
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14:23 < kanzure> heh kartik called me up to ask me to edit gadaprize.org (tom screwed it up a bit)
14:23 < kanzure> and i don't know if i should or not
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17:34 < kanzure> fenn: you around today?
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17:42 < tom_mccabe> Hey all
17:42 < tom_mccabe> This is Tom McCabe, I'm Executive Director of Humanity+
17:42 < kanzure> fenn is cooking, he'll be around in a few minutes.
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17:42 < tom_mccabe> @kanzure: OK
17:42 < Daeken> tom_mccabe: welcome! :)
17:43 < kanzure> Daeken: we're trying to figure out a way for humanity+ to give fenn money without micromanaging him or fucking him over
17:43 < Daeken> for what?
17:43 < kanzure> open source wearable computer + heads-up display / scouter
17:43 < Daeken> ahh, i see
17:44 < tom_mccabe> I personally would not micromanage anyone (I don't have the time, quite frankly ;) )
17:44 < tom_mccabe> But be warned that there is a lot of politics on the Humanity+ Board
17:44 < kanzure> yeah, so avoiding the politics would be important
17:44 < kanzure> (otherwise h+ is useless)
17:44 < kanzure> i.e. it'd be easier to just raise the money through other channels
17:45 < kanzure> tom_mccabe: btw, the new link to the projects is this:
17:45 < kanzure> er, to my projects list i gave you a while back
17:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html
17:53 < tom_mccabe> @kanzure: Right, got it
17:56 < kanzure> what possible mechanisms can you use to make sure h+ doesn't taint these projects?
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18:01 < kanzure> oh well it's probably a bad idea to associate with him
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18:04 < kanzure> hi fenn
18:09 < kanzure> Daeken: given these recent developments i doubt i can get you in
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18:09 < kanzure> i asked a few days ago and they said "oh he can be a lightning talk" which is basically shit
18:09 < kanzure> (they also asked me to do a "lightning talk")
18:09 < Daeken> kanzure: a lightning talk would be cool, really.  means less padding ;)
18:10 < kanzure> ok. email natasha@natasha.cc
18:10 < Daeken> ok, will do -- thanks :)
18:10 < kanzure> make sure you don't have to pay for registration
18:10 < Daeken> yea
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18:19 < tom_mccabe> Hey all
18:19 < tom_mccabe> Am back, sorry about that, buggy IRC client
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18:21 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
18:30 < JayDugger> Hello, Tom McCabe.
18:32 < tom_mccabe> Hey
18:32 < tom_mccabe> Is fenn online?
18:32 < JayDugger> Not recently, according to my chat client.
18:34 < kanzure> tom_mccabe: i wasn't "unwilling", i was _unable_
18:34 < kanzure> but now i'm unwilling :) haha
18:35  * kanzure has been looking at dwarf fortress today
18:36 < kanzure> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/screens.html
18:36 < kanzure> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/features.html
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18:54 < JayDugger> Yes, yes...
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19:34 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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