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01:00 < Utopiah> is there a streaming of http://microbes-mind.net ?
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07:05 < JayDugger> Hmm?
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07:13 < augur> anyone here both on a PC and also interested in a Black Prophecy beta invite?
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07:17 < JayDugger> Not on a PC, sorry, but thank you for the offer.
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07:40 < kanzure> http://tinkercad.com/ beta is open
07:40 < kanzure> they claim they are doing solid modeling in a web browser, but only export stl?
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08:19 < kanzure> open hardware article in RS Components eTech magazine:
08:19 < kanzure> http://www.designspark.com/files/ds/supporting_materials/uk_etech6.pdf
08:20 < kanzure> eww seems to be broken/weird
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10:09 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomega_%28manga%29
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14:41 < fenn> AlonzoTG: http://www.mommysbestgames.com/Shoot1UP_PressKit/NewShots3/Shoot1UP_BoxArt_girl.jpg
14:49 < Lukas__> :D
14:52 < kanzure> arcade game?
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17:28 < JayDugger>  kanzure, did you read "Blame!"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame!)
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18:02 < eridu> JayDugger: looks really good
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18:20 < fenn> http://www.manga2u.com/BLAME/   i have slightly higher res version if anyone wants
18:37 < kanzure> sure i'll take it
18:38 < kanzure> put it on gnusha or, better yet, cysteine
18:42 < fenn> can i just copy stuff to /torrents even if it's not a torrent?
18:46 < kanzure> yes a lot of that stuff is "from a torrent" not "is a .torrent"
18:46 < JayDugger> Just a test sentence--any weird trailing characters?
18:47 < kanzure> null
18:53 < kanzure> http://www.hackerunion.net/uploads/CubeSpawn.dia
18:54 < JayDugger> Anyone successfully sign up for TinkerCAD?
18:55 < JayDugger> Any context for that link, kanzure?
18:56 < kanzure> these people just spread these files everywhere
18:56 < JayDugger> And it's not a very good diagram...
18:56 < JayDugger> Breaking logical sections into different layers would make it easier to edit.
18:57 < kanzure> i'm in an angry mood tonight. tired of bullshit :)
18:57 < JayDugger> Fair enough.
18:57 < kanzure> read that as: i've spent the last 14 hours writing java and i regret it
18:59 < kanzure> jrayhawk: any hints on subversively forcing reprap to start versioning their subcomponents?
18:59 < kanzure> we've been through this song and dance before but nothing ever happened
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19:03 < JayDugger> Do you suppose commenting on the hackerunion blog makes a good place for constructive suggestions? I'd never heard of them before today.
19:03 < kanzure> the cubespawn guys are on the openmanufacturing group
19:04 < kanzure> fenn: check /torrents/images/manga/
19:04 < JayDugger> Got it. Thanks.
19:05 < kanzure> oh blame.tgz
19:05 < kanzure> also i must have missed something because i don't seem to remember the first six or seven issues
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19:13 < fenn> i probably told you to skip them
19:14 < fenn> the first 7-8 chapters are sorta loosely affiliated with the plot
19:15 < fenn> also i'm not in the group "torrent"
19:16 < kanzure> ok i did it
19:26 < fenn> orly?
19:26 < fenn> fenn@cysteine:~$ groups fenn
19:26 < fenn> fenn : fenn
19:26 < kanzure> it's in /torrents/images/manga/blame/
19:26 < fenn> oh
19:26 < kanzure> no not that :)
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20:00 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
20:03 < ybit> all google videos to be remoed by april 29
20:03 < ybit> http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1233300&hl=en
20:04 < ybit> i wonder how they make the .py work in the browser
20:05 < ybit> nice animations, this one of apoptosis: http://www.youtube.com/user/WEHImovies#p/u/8/DR80Huxp4y8
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20:10 < kanzure> what?
20:10 < kanzure> .py works because of mod_wsgi or equivalent for whatever server they are using
20:10 < kanzure> there used to be mod_python but nobody uses that any more
20:12 < ybit> i kind of figured but was hoping there was another magical answer
20:14 < kanzure> the python is compiled in real-time into javascript and executed in your browser?
20:15  * kanzure has been stalking http://stackoverflow.com/users/343816/kevin-gaudin today.
20:15 < fenn> and executed on a turing machine made of ants and folded pieces of paper
20:16 < fenn> remind me to never trust my data to a free web service
20:16 < kanzure> what do you have against ants touching your data
20:17 < kanzure> you're an anti-antist!
20:17 < fenn> we're having a bit of a snail invasion here actually
20:18 < kanzure> so what's the marcin plan
20:19 < fenn> eh?
20:19 < fenn> you're angry he didn't mention skdb in his 4 minute speech?
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20:19 < kanzure> no
20:20 < kanzure> i'm angry he has completely ignored the idea
20:20 < kanzure> i'm fine if he hates the implementation.. he can have one of his friends re-implement it
20:20 < fenn> he seemed interested when i brought it up many years ago
20:20 < kanzure> this stuff doesn't take years
20:20 < fenn> apparently it does, for me
20:21 < kanzure> well, they have cad work going on
20:21 < kanzure> so.. what gives
20:21 < fenn> actually i dont know much about the cad work
20:21 < kanzure> me either but apparently it's happening?
20:21 < kanzure> somewhere
20:21 < kanzure> although half the time it just seems to be blender stuff
20:21 < fenn> probably
20:22 < kanzure> did you look at toybrep?
20:22 < kanzure> https://bitbucket.org/bryancole/toybrep
20:22 < fenn> not really
20:22 < kanzure> there's this strange subset of knowledge missing in me about brep maths
20:23 < kanzure> the "unknown unknowns" as it were
20:23 < kanzure> i was hoping toybrep would provide some parts of that, and it seems to-- er, sort of?
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20:23 < fenn> sounds like you should read a book
20:24 < kanzure> i can't seem to find a relevant book
20:24 < fenn> "which book" then becomes the problem
20:24 < kanzure> just lots of authors saying "it's impossibly hard, only teams of 100s of programmers can do it"
20:24 < fenn> pooh
20:24 < kanzure> "Fuck you too, mr. author"
20:24 < kanzure> and seriously, if 1 programmer can't understand it, 100 surely aren't
20:24 < fenn> yep
20:25 < kanzure> or... you end up with opencascade :)
20:25 < fenn> well, opencascade looked like it has a basic core designed by probably 1 person
20:25 < fenn> you know the actual brep stuff
20:25 < fenn> not including all the irrelevant crap
20:25 < kanzure> probably ported from the original matra datavision stuff
20:26 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5C6-J3xpjA
20:26 < kanzure> "founded in 1980, matra datavision has steadily pushed back against the frontier of technology excellence"
20:27 < fenn> odd that there are no screenshots of matra datavision online?
20:27 < kanzure> that's the company
20:27 < kanzure> the product from before opencascade was CAS.CADE
20:27 < kanzure> and before that it was euclid4
20:27 < kanzure> CERN was built on top of euclid
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20:29 < kanzure> http://support.mdtvision.com/Products/euc24/img/truck1.jpg
20:30 < kanzure> wait.. euclid3 2.4
20:30 < kanzure> why is this site still online
20:30 < kanzure> http://support.mdtvision.com/Products/euc24/
20:30 < kanzure> "EUCLID3 V2.4 B : summer 2005"
20:31 < fenn> not that long ago as far as cad software goes
20:31 < kanzure> http://support.mdtvision.com/Products/euc24b/rfiles/
20:31 < kanzure> nope
20:31 < kanzure> but EUCLID was ancient shit
20:32 < kanzure> this is even after opencascade
20:32 < kanzure> huh, support.mdtvision.com is up but not anything else. i wonder how stuff like this is forgotten?
20:36 < kanzure> anyway if you ever want to see something depressing i have some logins to their bugzilla tracker
20:36 < kanzure> i've thought about just stalking down the original programmer
20:36 < kanzure> there's only maybe 300 developers
20:37 < fenn> that's a lot of developers
20:38 < kanzure> i think it's the one that was a pilot
20:38 < fenn> ... galt? john galt?
20:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opencascade_people.txt
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20:40 < QuantumG> lulz
20:42 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opencascade_people2.txt
20:43 < kanzure> hrm i forgot the specific person
20:43 < fenn> not roman lygin, right?
20:43 < kanzure> no
20:43 < kanzure> roman came on board late to the party
20:43 < kanzure> plus if he had that knowledge he'd just do it on his own
20:44 < kanzure> nurbs-nurbs math can't possibly be as hard as these jerks are making it out to be
20:44 < kanzure> and even if it is hard, i can't seem to figure out what i should be doing, because everyone keeps handwaving
20:45 < fenn> there are a lot of edge cases to test
20:45 < kanzure> so what.. i'll write the tests
20:45 < kanzure> marcin on slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/04/18/1658239/Can-Open-Source-Hardware-Feed-the-World
20:45 < kanzure> (again)
20:46 < QuantumG> yeah, nice pictures
20:46 < QuantumG> I didn't see any actual designs though
20:47 < kanzure> supposedly there's stuff hidden on openfarmtech.org's wiki
21:06 < kanzure> stuff like OpenCASCADE6.3.0/ros/src/BRepAlgoAPI/BRepAlgoAPI_Common.cxx just makes no sense to me
21:08 < kanzure> WHO WOULD WRITE THIS SORT OF CODE?
21:08 < kanzure> it's just LIES upon LIES
21:15 < kanzure> lies upon lies: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/2ACV05/09.mp3
21:32 < kanzure> pokemon apokelypse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDX1m0Y2Vkg
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