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10:02 < kanzure> eudoxia! :(
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10:41 < kanzure> jrayhawk: spam from diyhpl.us? http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/fd22e2c615853b33
10:48 < kanzure> ok nevermind
10:48 < kanzure> i got the headers and it's definitely not gnusha.org send out that email
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11:21 < kanzure> hi foucist
11:21 < kanzure> see the /topic etc. etc.
11:21 < foucist> howdy
11:21 < foucist> what's the channel stand for?
11:21 < kanzure> get lost in research: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/
11:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/
11:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
11:21 < foucist> what's hplus mean
11:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ etc. etc.
11:21 < kanzure> foucist: hplus means 'transhuman' or 'human enhancement'
11:21 < foucist> h+ means ?
11:21 < foucist> ahh
11:21 < foucist> coolio
11:22 < foucist> hey dammit, epitron beat me here
11:22  * foucist always the last to know :(
11:23 < kanzure> yeah he's been here for three years or something lame
11:23 < foucist> bastard!!!!
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11:24 < kanzure> hi el_kevino
11:24 < el_kevino> hello, your mention of nootropics piqued my interest
11:25 < foucist> kanzure: i also name dropped the chan in #lesswrong, lets hope for some suckers from there
11:25 < kanzure> i hate lesswrong
11:25 < kanzure> fuck you for doing that
11:25 < foucist> oops
11:25 < foucist> :P
11:25 < foucist> kanzure: seriously? how come
11:25 < foucist> i don't read the site myself
11:25 < foucist> just idle in the chan
11:26 < kanzure> it's a long story and i don't care to tell it
11:26 < foucist> ok
11:26 < kanzure> siai is made up of jerks and i don't really enjoy being so closely related to their social networks
11:26 < foucist> ah i see
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11:26 < kanzure> there's like one redeeming person in the entire organization :p
11:26 < foucist> heh, i'm not too involved in all that anyways, just predominantly an ircer
11:27 < el_kevino> any docs/sites for nootropics that you guys use?
11:27 < foucist> kanzure: so whatcha working on? you got a startup going?
11:27 < kanzure> el_kevino: imminst.org i guess..
11:27 < kanzure> el_kevino: do you do mobile dev?
11:28 < el_kevino> i do
11:28 < kanzure> foucist: today i'm working on a presentation for google io (tomorrow)
11:28 < kanzure> i'm presenting on "how to make an android app in 30min"
11:28 < kanzure> featuring live coding by yours truly..
11:28 < foucist> cool
11:28 < kanzure> one of my projects is http://hoppersdk.com/ for the monies
11:29 < foucist> will you capture the screen/audio while doing that
11:29 < foucist> so that you can upload it later
11:29 < kanzure> eventually
11:29 < kanzure> oh you mean google io? yes absolutely
11:29 < kanzure> hopper: eventually, that feature is coming but it's not a priority
11:30 < el_kevino> nice - i was unable to get an IO ticket
11:30 < kanzure> me either
11:30 < kanzure> so i figured speaking would be a good way to get in
11:30 < kanzure> but it's the austin event, not the main io event
11:30 < el_kevino> ah
11:30 < kanzure> still :)
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11:30 < el_kevino> kanzure: do you ask everyone that?  or are we in other shared channels?
11:30 < kanzure> el_kevino: we are in a shitload of shared channels
11:30 < el_kevino> are you me?
11:31 < kanzure> what?
11:31 < kanzure> i am very confused so i might be
11:31 < el_kevino> bad joke :)
11:31 < kanzure> anyway, so yeah- diybio stuff
11:32 < kanzure> the practical reality is that the diybio projects are somewhat pathetic
11:32 < kanzure> but i do think there's something possible within the microfluidics space, and CAD/lab equipment areas
11:32 < foucist> well cost is always an issue
11:32 < kanzure> not from a business perspective, but from a practical perspective
11:32 < foucist> hacker spaces probably help though
11:32 < kanzure> not really.. not many hackerspaces are sympathetic
11:32 < foucist> right
11:32 < kanzure> there's genspace.org, but it's all corporate
11:33 < foucist> would need diybiospaces i guess
11:33 < kanzure> biocurious.org had a nice shot at it but joe selected the wrong board of directors and it's killed itself already
11:33 < foucist> kanzure: what do you mean within microfluidics CAD/lab equip?
11:33 < kanzure> (plus joe is moving to chile so ..)
11:33 < kanzure> foucist: well, microfluidic lab-on-a-chip-devices are relatively easy to make
11:33 < foucist> is he gonna set up anything in chile?
11:34 < kanzure> yeah he got invited to startupchile.org, got some money, will probably setup a lab
11:34 < foucist> cool
11:34 < foucist> is he chilean?
11:34 < kanzure> no
11:34 < foucist> i wouldn't mind going to chile
11:34 < kanzure> startupchile.org only accepts people who aren't from chile
11:34 < foucist> i'm heading to thailand currently
11:34 < foucist> cool
11:34 < foucist> have 1 backpack + laptop, will travel!
11:37 < kanzure> the landing page for http://tripmedi.com/ is hilarious
11:37 < kanzure> "Medical tourism you can trust"
11:37 < kanzure> after reading that, i will never trust tripmedi.com. ever.
11:37 < foucist> heh
11:37 < foucist> i came across it from some startup bus thing
11:37 < foucist> they'er just doing pitches at this point
11:37 < foucist> and just a placeholder
11:38 < foucist> http://startupbus.com/teams/47-tripmedi
11:49 < el_kevino> that video has an incredibly awkward hipster fist-bump in the middle of it
11:50 < kanzure> oh btw if you're into videos..
11:50 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/ (index)
11:50 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/random (thumbnails)
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13:16 < kanzure> hi nsh-
13:19 < nsh-> hi kanz
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14:45 < kanzure> hi eudoxia
14:46 < eudoxia> hello
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16:10 < fenn> fwiw spammers are harvesting emails from diyhpl.us (my email at least)
16:12 < foucist> kanzure: 404 for http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb
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16:21 < fenn> foucist: where was that link from?
16:21 < foucist> fenn: his page diyhpl.us/~bryan/
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16:49 < kanzure> diyhpl.us/~bryan/ is nothing in particular
16:49 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/ is supposed to be my home page but i don't know what to do with it
16:50 < eudoxia> fix them links :)
16:50 < kanzure> fenn: probably from meetlog.txt..
16:50 < kanzure> foucist: anyway, designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb can be accessed here: http://gnusha.org/skdb/
16:51 < kanzure> designfiles.org was confiscated either by the university of texas or a professor
16:54 < QuantumG> Here's a 10 minute podcast of me on the @SpaceShow today. We discussed seasteading and private space stations. http://bit.ly/khvPwd (mp3)
16:54 < kanzure> oh weird, i never linked to http://gnusha.org/skdb/package_spec.html from gnusha.org/skdb/
16:54 < kanzure> QuantumG: cool :)
16:54 < kanzure> QuantumG: btw, did you hear eric hunting on TSS the other day by any chance?
16:55 < QuantumG> yes.
16:55 < QuantumG> One way they could make money is by recording Eric's voice and selling it as a sleeping aid.
16:56 < kanzure> i didn't listen in
16:56 < kanzure> <-- is glad that his voice doesn't put people to sleep
16:57 < kanzure> fenn: how do i fix my linksprawl :(
16:59 < QuantumG> do you know Chad Lupkes?
17:01 < kanzure> uh.. sort of? internet acquaintance
17:01 < QuantumG> he had a long rant at Dr Livingston via email.. Dave gave it back to him 3x.
17:07 < foucist> kanzure: so, looking at ABI 377 or what?
17:07 < foucist> 310 = low throughput ?
17:09 < kanzure> whatever i can get my hands on i guess
17:10 < kanzure> i saw this $100 megabace 1000 so i think i'll buy that even if it's b0rked
17:10 < kanzure> i'd like to get a capillary machine, instead of a manual gel loaded system
17:11 < foucist> cool, sounds like a good deal
17:11 < kanzure> well then there's >$1k reagent costs
17:11 < foucist> oh
17:11 < foucist> any idea how broken it is
17:11 < foucist> does it need a new lazer
17:11 < foucist> laser*
17:12 < foucist> btw, http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention  doesn't work :P  guess you killed your wiki
17:12 < kanzure> no clue how bad of shape it's in..
17:12 < kanzure> random ebay auctions, etc.
17:12 < kanzure> [[Sustained_attention]] is accessible on web.archive.org, but i have been doing some hdd recovery lately so i might go fetch /mediawiki
17:13 < kanzure> /mediawiki hasn't worked since 2008
17:13 < foucist> yeah i figured
17:13 < kanzure> (because i forgot to transfer the mysql db over to a new machine)
17:13 < kanzure> i have a lot of sprawling links out there :/
17:14 < kanzure> diyhpl.us, heybryan.org, designfiles.org, gnusha.org, designfiles.no-ip.org or something, uh..
17:15 < foucist> kanzure: who started humanityplus?
17:16 < kanzure> um, well
17:16 < kanzure> nick bostrom and a few others in 1998 started world transhumanist association (wta) for ethical masturbation
17:16 < eudoxia> hahaha
17:16 < kanzure> in 2008 they "rebranded" but only a few weeks ago sent in the documentation to be called 'humanityplus'
17:17 < kanzure> there's a long history in this chan of people telling me not to bother with them
17:17 < kanzure> and i agreed with them, but didn't listen and worked with humanity+ for an extended period of time
17:17 < kanzure> anyway, i really regret it and should listen to my friends more often.
17:17 < foucist> how come?
17:17 < foucist> the gada prize sounds interesting
17:18 < kanzure> yeah, so i organized the transfer of the gada prize from foresight institute, wrote all the legal documentation, etc.
17:18 < kanzure> but that's more like "well we need a 501c3 to put this prize at, how about this one" "ok sure"
17:19 < foucist> why do the transfer at all then?
17:19 < QuantumG> transhumanism needs more marketing and kanzure is the guy to do it.
17:19 < kanzure> any transhumanist should immediately recognize that humanityplus is just useless
17:19 < kanzure> hahaha marketing oh boy
17:19 < kanzure> that's all humanityplus does
17:20 < kanzure> foucist: well, foresight didn't want it apparently
17:20 < foucist> ah
17:20 < kanzure> and i figured "better me than someone else" :p
17:20 < kanzure> documentation: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gadastuff/
17:20 < foucist> yeah
17:21 < foucist> how close is reprap to the gadaprize?
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17:21 < QuantumG> dear foresight institute, still waiting for molecular manufacturing.. any time. kthxbye.
17:21 < ybit> ugh
17:21 < ybit> tired of joining #hplusroadmap without a slap to the face
17:22 < QuantumG> without?
17:22 < kanzure> foucist: there's about 10 or 15 teams that are pretty close
17:22 < ybit> QuantumG: yeah, #hplusroadmap, not ##hplusroadmap
17:22 < kanzure> foucist: i think someone probably has something that could win, but they are hesitant to release
17:22 < QuantumG> oh, right
17:22 < kanzure> i had to come up with some fancy way to say "you can realize your reprap/gadaprize work as open source 'but non-derivative for the purpose of the gada prize'" since otherwise people feel they will lose a lot of money
17:22 < ybit> kanzure: did you ever find AP1001-1009 for STEP?
17:23 < ybit> without paying ~$200
17:23 < kanzure> ybit: yeah i have all of that now
17:23 < ybit> yay!
17:23  * ybit wants
17:23 < kanzure> AP203 and AP214 are the parts that matter
17:23 < ybit> yar
17:23 < kanzure> um... gee i wonder if i put that online or not
17:23 < QuantumG> everyone I know with a reprap has a different solution to at least one of the systems.. and none of them seem to contribute back their solutions.
17:24 < kanzure> QuantumG: there's this huge thread on reprap-dev right now about versioning reprap upstream
17:24 < kanzure> QuantumG: "NO VERSIONING IS THE DEVIL, LALALALALALA"
17:24 < kanzure> and we thought we could get them to use git? holy shit
17:24 < kanzure> ybit: i don't have time to go find those files, but i do have them.. how about after google tomorrow?
17:24 < QuantumG> great thing about open source software.. contributing your fixes upstream *actually help you eventually*
17:25 < ybit> durka, i meant AM, not AP
17:25 < QuantumG> or at least most people think that way
17:25 < kanzure> well the problem is that upstream in the reprap project isn't er.. normal
17:25 < ybit> kanzure: heh, you got it
17:25 < kanzure> i mean.. it's not like a software project where the maintainers understand how to run a good open source project
17:26 < QuantumG> step 1) build your own reprap, 2) fix something random, 3) contribute your changes upstream so that, 4) sometime in the future you make another reprap and it includes your fixes??
17:26 < QuantumG> most people who do step 1 are never going to do step 4, so they don't bother doing step 3
17:29 < QuantumG> if the reprap community ever get to the point where you can download the instructions for machine 4.42 and feed it into machine 4.41 and out pops the new machine, then there will be a point to contributing back.
17:29  * kanzure is looking at: http://www.race-database.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure
17:29 < QuantumG> it'll be the same reason why people contribute back to software... maintaining a personal patch set is a pain in the ass.
17:30 < kanzure> ybit: why do you want step stuff
17:30 < kanzure> QuantumG: i dunno it seems to be the same pain-in-the-ass-level as normal reprap
17:31 < QuantumG> yes, well, contributing back needs to be easier than maintain a person patch set.
17:31 < ybit> kanzure: i don't know really. maybe i'm thinking somewhere down the road i might do something with it
17:33 < ybit> 162 wpm o.O
17:33 < ybit> in alabama, we like it slow
17:33 < ybit> isn't that right kats
17:34 < ybit> hrm
17:35 < ybit> guess she quit hanging out here, here's hoping she became a sea pirate
17:35 < kanzure> ybit: do you want to race? http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trkanzure
17:36 < kanzure> (just choose 'guest')
17:36 < ybit> i would, but it would probably make you look bad
17:36 < ybit> 200+wpm over here ;)
17:36 < kanzure> who says i'm not holding back
17:37 < ybit> heh, no need in racing, i know your faster after i tried doing what you sometimes do at conferences
17:37 < kanzure> woo
17:37 < kanzure> oh haha
17:37 < kanzure> yeah "don't try this at home"
17:37 < ybit> :P
17:38 < kanzure> 92wpm isn't bad
17:38 < fenn> rawr
17:38 < kanzure> hi fenn
17:38 < fenn> 92 was me
17:38 < kanzure> hahahah
17:38 < fenn> i was like 'what? i need to backspace?'
17:38 < kanzure> ok that's unfair. you can click the link to try again
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17:39 < kanzure> wtf's up with the quotes. "kissing the tortoise shell"
17:39 < kanzure> 94wpm.. uh nice precision i guess
17:40 < fenn> weird choice of text. is that auto generated?
17:40 < kanzure> nah people dump in shit from books/music
17:40 < kanzure> this next one seems to be pink floyd.
17:42  * fenn reboots into windows... *cry*
17:43 < kanzure> huh?
17:43 < fenn> need to run usb tester program for work
17:43 < fenn> actually, maybe i can do it in wine
17:44 < kanzure> work!
17:45 < kanzure> hrm.
17:46 < kanzure> GOOGLE
17:49 < fenn> google?
17:50 < fenn> oh boy, 100MB installer to flash firmware to a chip :\
17:50 < kanzure> fenn: i'm presenting at google io tomorrow
17:50 < kanzure> and I AM PSYCHED
17:50 < fenn> uh, okay
17:51 < kanzure> i am easily excitable
17:51 < fenn> are you going to be typing out code on the screen?
17:51 < kanzure> part of the time yes :)
17:51 < kanzure> it's with dave/elevenarms too
17:52 < kanzure> "How to make an android app in 30 minutes" plus a web server, and hoppersdk.com integration
17:52 < kanzure> the idea is to deploy in-between versions to the audience throughout the presentation
17:52 < fenn> hm, good luck
17:53 < fenn> make sure you try it at the venue before giving the talk
17:53 < kanzure> apparently it's sold out
17:53 < kanzure> not just google io but google-io-in-austin
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18:33 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
18:35 < fenn> kanzure have you read lepht's recent essay?
18:35 < kanzure> no.. should i?
18:35 < fenn> it's actually quite coherent and formal in tone, if a bit whiny in content
18:36 < fenn> http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2011/05/oh-look-it-hasnt-accomplished-anything.html
18:36 < kanzure> mediafire?
18:36 < JayDugger> fenn: You had or have a project to build a Mendel, do  remember that right?
18:37 < fenn> JayDugger: mini-mendel
18:37 < kanzure> "I am one of the original members of this movement" fuck this
18:38 < jrayhawk> mediafire is just depressing. we should give her some http namespace on your vserver.
18:38 < kanzure> that's fine
18:38 < JayDugger> What's lepht's IRL name?
18:39 < fenn> why do you want to know?
18:39 < kanzure> fenn: other than that deviation i quoted, it looks fine to me
18:39 < kanzure> i gave it the 30sec reading though
18:40 < fenn> i think it's funny that natasha is considered an authority on transhumanism
18:41 < kanzure> she screams and shouts when she finds out that someone neglected her somewhere
18:41 < JayDugger> So that I can save the file as <Author's Surname>, <Author's First Name> - <Title> - (<Year>)
18:42 < fenn> hum, after seeing the facial tattoos i guess it doesn't matter
18:42 < fenn> alicia mason
18:43 < JayDugger> Thanks.
18:43 < kanzure> how'd you find that
18:43 < kanzure> i feel so destroyed
18:43 < kanzure> my google-fu.. it has failed me
18:43 < fenn> "Twenty-one-year-old Alicia Mason’s strong commitment to learning in the face of the chronic pain which she has suffered from since her teenage years, secured her the Quincentenary Prize."
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18:47 < kanzure> fenn: i'm not sure that inference is correct
18:47 < kanzure> it sounds like this was an essay for a class
18:48 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how do i do that diplomatically
18:49 < jrayhawk> Do which?
18:49 < kanzure> the vserver offer
18:50 < kanzure> you know, without being passive aggressive
18:52 < jrayhawk> Oh. "Hi, I like facilitating transhumanists and I'm noticing you currently have mediocre hosting; let me know if you want a somewhat more permanent place to host your files at one or more of diyhpl.us, gnusha.org, WhateverOtherMillionDomainsBryanOwns.com"
18:54 < kanzure> why wouldn't lepht just use biohack.me?
18:54 < jrayhawk> And I can help get vsftp or webdav or sftp or git or Ikiwiki access sorted out.
18:55 < jrayhawk> beats me; i can help make whatever you want happen
18:56 < jrayhawk> webdav is tragicly a bit hit-or-miss in terms of OS support, i suppose
18:58 < kanzure> how should i reply to this?
18:58 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/0bdf7ff01c79198a
18:58 < jrayhawk> "no"?
18:59 < kanzure> that was my first idea
18:59 < kanzure> he's making a public stink about this
18:59 < jrayhawk> If he is terrified of having his email address exposed, why the fuck is he posting on public mailing lists
18:59 < kanzure> which is fine.. but isn't this something (the entire thread, even) he should have brought up to me privately?
19:01 < jrayhawk> I got one of those emails, too. Kinda neat how well they're targetting their spam, but it still scored 4.0 on default spamassassin settings.
19:01 < kanzure> the spam contents looked pretty vague to me
19:01 < kanzure> or do you mean spamming my social network?
19:02 < jrayhawk> Yeah, it's not topicly targetted, but even referencing real connections is better than I'm used to seeing.
19:03 < kanzure> some people have been mad at me in the past and start the spam faucet on me (i guess signing me up for lots of crap)
19:03 < kanzure> but usually gmail eats through the spam in a few days of adjustment
19:04 < jrayhawk> The SIAI should be warning russian mobsters about the existential risks of developing spammer AIs
19:04 < jrayhawk> a viagra bot gives a whole new meaning to 'hard AI takeoff
19:04 < jrayhawk> +'
19:05 < kanzure> is it better for me to reply "no" or to just not reply?
19:05 < JayDugger> Ignore his request, unless you value him as a contact. Then consider whether he deserves an explanation.
19:06 < kanzure> hahaha "No. You can submit a patch if you want."
19:06 < jrayhawk> I suppose 'no' is a deliberate troll, and that either explaining the morality of information or saying nothing would probably result in everyone being happier in the long run
19:06 < kanzure> yeah i don't value this guy- he's incredibly hostile and self-aggrandizing but every time he boasts about his software he never has anything to show for it.
19:06 < JayDugger> Then ignore his request.
19:06 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what about the "submit a patch" response?
19:07 < kanzure> i wouldn't apply the patch though.. heh
19:07 < jrayhawk> I guess that's an okay response. Link him to a git:// URL :)
19:07 < jrayhawk> oh
19:07 < jrayhawk> well nevermind then
19:08 < kanzure> i wonder if spambots will ever start downloading random git repos
19:09 < kanzure> i guess that's an ok strategy to seed a random git hosting service
19:09 < jrayhawk> ohloh aggregates that sort of thing
19:11 < jrayhawk> what would the world look like if a captcha-solving AI conquered it
19:11 < kanzure> stats/authors right?
19:11 < kanzure> there's lots of human services that break captchas for you in <15sec.. does this count
19:11 < jrayhawk> Something like that. I haven't really looked into it.
19:17 < kanzure> fenn: john griessen has invited you to his crawfish boil on the 20th
19:18 < ybit> what spammer quoted you as a source kanzure?
19:19 < jrayhawk> give me your email address and I can resend it to you.
19:21 < ybit> jrayhawk: me?
19:21 < jrayhawk> Yeah.
19:21 < ybit> heathmatlock@gmail.com
19:21 < jrayhawk> Done.
19:21 < ybit> heh
19:22 < jrayhawk> Naturally, of course, it might wind up in a spam filter on your mailhost.
19:22 < ybit> had to look in the spam folder
19:22 < jrayhawk> Message-ID: 1151883884.92501304963691001.JavaMail.root@ims1.itimes.com
19:23 < jrayhawk> Maybe this is clever targeting. Anyone associated with the transhumanism movement has a high probability of being accurately classed as a lonely nerd.
19:24 < jrayhawk> well, clever by spammer standards.
19:24 < ybit> and the age is about right too :)
19:25 < kanzure> jrayhawk: it was the same text as quoted in that diybio thread, right?
19:25 < ybit> this linda giles girl seems hawt
19:26 < ybit> i'm doing it!!11
19:26  * ybit sends her my contact list
19:26 < jrayhawk> Yeah.
19:26 < kanzure> maybe i'm just really bad at reading spam
19:27  * ybit fails at third-person narrating
19:27 < kanzure> who was the guy who spent his entire ted.com talk reciting spam from memory?
19:30 < ybit> al gore?
19:31 < ybit> i dunno, there's really been too much spam to pick just one
19:33 < kanzure> Although you might be apprehensive about my email as we have never met before.
19:34 < kanzure> I am Mr. Kabiru Zongo,a Banker, and Head of Operations with (AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK BURKINA FASO)in West Africa, there is the sum of $9.500,000.00 currently in my branch,
19:34 < kanzure> there were no beneficiary stated concerning these funds which means no one would ever come to claim it.
19:34 < kanzure> That is why I ask that we work together, I will be pleased to work with you as trusted person and see that the fund is transferred out of my Bank into another Bank Account,
19:34 < kanzure> Once the funds have been transferred to your nominated Bank account we shall then share it in the ratio of 60% for me, 40% for you.
19:34 < kanzure> "If you agree to my business proposal. further details of the transfer will be forwarded to you as soon as i receive your return mail, sending the below information"
19:34 < kanzure> Regards, Mr.Kabiru Zongo.
19:34 < kanzure> this is pretty standard ybit
19:35 < QuantumG> do you know how the scammer makes money from that?
19:35 < kanzure> it's a 419 scam
19:35 < kanzure> http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud/fraud#419
19:36 < QuantumG> obviously I know.. you providing a link to someone else who knows doesn't tell me that you know.. it merely implies you might.
19:37 < kanzure> huh i never knew this part:
19:37 < kanzure> " The Nigerian government is not sympathetic to victims of these schemes, since the victim actually conspires to remove funds from Nigeria in a manner that is contrary to Nigerian law."
19:37 < kanzure> "The schemes themselves violate section 419 of the Nigerian criminal code, hence the label “419 fraud.”"
19:37 < kanzure> QuantumG: true. but isn't it obvious if you're giving away ALL OF YOUR BANKING CREDENTIALS?
19:37 < kanzure> btw banking in the U.S. is broken
19:38 < QuantumG> no.. most people think 1) their credentials can only be used to deposit funds, so what's the harm and 2) if you can transfer money out of your account then it must have cleared already.
19:39 < QuantumG> 2 is what makes the scam work and the banks should fucking fix that already.
19:40 < jrayhawk> The entire 'pull' model is broken and should either be replaced with a 'push' model or a three way handshake model.
19:44 < fenn> i thought the scams always came out of nigeria because it wasn't illegal there
19:45 < ybit> kanzure: that's not the email i received
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19:48 < kanzure> haha microsoft buying skype http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576313932659388852.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
19:59 < kanzure> ok that was interesting for maybe three seconds.
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23:07 < flamot> http://tinyurl.com/4bqwyb7 << ca-ga 4.99.99 was silently updated to improve neuron wiring dynamics. there won't be any changes to the mechanics when 5.0 hits, so any species you make with this will be loadable in there, save all and load all are pgdwn/pgup and should be in the key help but aren't, sorry. ok. brb >_>
23:09 < kanzure> man it's like he has a spam list
23:10 < flamot> i'm going to write an article for phrack or 2600 on how i got it to crack captchas, once i get it to crack captchas
23:10 < flamot> as a guide to evolving it to solve other problems...
23:10 < flamot> kanzure it's a thinking system the size of Firefox
23:10 < flamot> it's a hard tool i put on the table milliseconds before evolution and optimization will be export-controlled as munitions like crypto
23:11 < flamot> which will happen a lot sooner now with that software out there
23:11 < flamot> its real
23:11 < flamot> i mean i don't think of it as spam
23:11 < flamot> it feels really important to me well
23:11 < kanzure> i believe you
23:12 < flamot> i can't think of another, existing piece of software that could result in a thinking system... it has emergent sex, emergent multicellularism...
23:12 < flamot> emergence where i thought it helped, fixed sizes and fixed ratios where i thought it wouldn't
23:12 < flamot> a temperature model and self-mutating fitness function that make it like an ecosystem with weather and low and high ground
23:12 < flamot> and perform automatic propagation and potentially, computation as well
23:12 < flamot> if you hit 'D' in the running sim, that's all you see
23:13 < flamot> the CA frobnitzing itself
23:13 < flamot> that's what they live on
23:13 < flamot> on top of
23:13 < flamot> :3
23:13 < flamot> ok ty for believes me. brb >_>
23:14 < alystair> wtf it's flamot
23:14 < alystair> did you go to the hospital?
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23:14 < flamot> i never wrote a neural net before, it's really fast. if 3.3M neurons isn't enough to crack captchas i don't know what would be, and the only way i can think of to evolve a system that size is cellularly. the only thing i see possibly standing between it producing intelligence is, the limited inter-cell communication, 4 binary channels per face
23:14 < flamot> might not be enough to distribute 254 neurons per cell effectively
23:14 < flamot> into pools
23:14 < alystair> FLAMOOT
23:14 < flamot> who knows
23:14 < flamot> alystair lol
23:14 < alystair> DID YOU GO TO HOSPITAL
23:14 < flamot> i didnt know you were on freenode
23:14 < alystair> you have no reason to be on IRC D:
23:14 < flamot> no i didn't go yet
23:15 < alystair> or on a computer
23:15 < flamot> i'm simulating at a net cafe :3
23:15 < alystair> :|
23:15 < flamot> i actually
23:15 < flamot> spent my money on that, and not pot
23:15 <@kanzure> flamot: i don't think you should be in here
23:15 < flamot> like at home i take running my sim for granted
23:15 < flamot> but when i had to choose between running a sim, or getting high
23:15 < flamot> i chose the sim. i was really surprised
23:15 < flamot> kanzure: why the fuck
23:15 < flamot> i have a broken leg
23:16 < flamot> but it didn't break right through and is going to be ok
23:16 < flamot> i got beaten by a cop the day after i released the windows version
23:16 < flamot> go on. suppress me too
23:16 < flamot> beep
23:16 < alystair> it would be better if you went to the hospital
23:16 < alystair> even if it's not broken
23:16 < alystair> and have them call me :/
23:16 < flamot> i no
23:16 < flamot> i need to get comfrey oil tomorrow to rub on it
23:17 < alystair> talk in PM
23:17 < flamot> aly when i'm cleaned up i'm going to get the hospital to take out that chip
23:17 < flamot> i'm going to say i paid for it
23:17 < flamot> and it was helpful at first
23:17 < alystair> this talk is irrelevant and being logged
23:17 < flamot> but now it's silent
23:17 < flamot> so can they remove it
23:17 < flamot> it should be a vanilla, foreign-body extraction
23:17 < flamot> not a mental health issue
23:17 < flamot> good huh
23:17 < flamot> ok pm it
23:17 < flamot> the chip is from scientology
23:17 < QuantumG> alystair: what's the number for homeland security again?
23:17 < flamot> and it's super annoying
23:17 < flamot> they harass-chat, spam me
23:17 < flamot> all day with this face i can see
23:17 < flamot> electronic hallucination
23:18 < flamot> believe -that-, though
23:18 < flamot> ...
23:18 < flamot> ok brb
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