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02:15 <@kanzure> https://sites.google.com/site/austinioextended/agenda
02:15 <@kanzure> hmm no streaming link
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03:28 < SovereignBleak> Any local Danes here with the resources to encapsulate two magnets in sugru, parylene c, or silicone?
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07:05 < alystair> kanzure: I don't see you listed on the website?
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08:54 < alystair> you cheated me I thought your presntation would be part of the main location via wirecast or something ;)
09:03 < alystair> http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html
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09:58 < alystair> kanzure: so do you get a free tablet as well for being a presenter? :)
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11:54 < foucist> what do you guys use for CAD?
11:54 < foucist> esp on osx?
11:54 < foucist> kanzure: ping
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12:28 < ENKI-][> foucist: real men use vim.
12:28 < ENKI-][> :P
12:28 < eudoxia> Oh gee is there an emacs/vim war again?
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12:34 < ENKI-][> eudoxia: vim for cad on osx
12:38 < foucist> ENKI-][: now you know i'm not talking about text editing :P
12:38 < foucist> grahh i can't figure out how to set/force dimensions in skethcup
12:38 < foucist> sketchup
12:39 < ENKI-][> write the vrml in vim and then have a script translate it :P
12:40 < foucist> heh, or i could go with postscript
12:40 < foucist> i just want something fast
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12:40 < foucist> i have the dimensions of the parts
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12:45 < foucist> man there's hundreds of CAD programs
12:47 < CryptoQuick> yeah, I've been looking for a good CAD program, myself
12:48 < CryptoQuick> easycad is okay, I haven't messed with it much, not sure if it'd meet the requirements for a real CAD program
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13:15 < kanzure> foucist: i wrote my own CAD library
13:15 < kanzure> because everything else fucking sucks
13:16 < kanzure> brlcad is a nice option though
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13:19 < foucist> kanzure: i got to use solid edge extensively back in 2000, it was for 3d stuff, light years ahead of autocad
13:20 < foucist> the kind of interface i really like is being able to draw out a rough outline, lock dimensions of the lines, and have it all snap into place
13:20 < foucist> which is what solid edge allowed for
13:20 < kanzure> solid edge was ok
13:20 < kanzure> try alibre design
13:21 < kanzure> i've been writing a NURBS library in python called lolcad
13:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lolcad
13:21 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/lolcad.git
13:21 < kanzure> there's also heekscad which is based on opencascade
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13:21 < MGrost> hello
13:22 < foucist> kanzure: what graphics lib does that use
13:24 < kanzure> hello MGrost
13:24 < kanzure> foucist: which one..
13:24 < foucist> lolcad
13:24 < foucist> gtk?
13:28 < MGrost> hey kanzure
13:29 < MGrost> its nice to see so many people here
13:30 < kanzure> foucist: lolcad is raw opengl nurbs
13:30 < kanzure> but with an underlying mathematical representation of the surfaces
13:31 < kanzure> plus the ability to export to .step because i'm fucking mad and angry about cad
13:31 < kanzure> but really try alibre.. it's an ASIC implementation i think. a lot like solid edge. totally proprietary though.
13:32 < kanzure> MGrost: what brings you here
13:33 < kanzure> foucist: oh there's also pythonocc which is just python/swig wrappers to opencascade. there's a lot of code in skdb.git that uses pythonocc.
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13:41 < MGrost> the project seems interesting enough to pay a visit
13:42 < kanzure> which project :P
13:42 < MGrost> skdb
13:44 < kanzure> ah ok
13:44 < kanzure> btw i'm going to go fall asleep now
13:44 < kanzure> because i haven't slept in at least a day and i should sleep
13:44 < MGrost> safe falling
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13:50 < MGrost> what other projects is this channel hosting?
13:52 < kanzure> global world domination
13:52 < kanzure> also, you know the little packets of sauce that are packaged with tacos? totally my idea
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13:55 < MGrost> there's an idea
13:56 < kanzure> um, another project is nanoengineer
13:56 < kanzure> http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50
13:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer
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14:01 < MGrost> very nice
14:04 < eudoxia> You work on nanoengineer kazure?
14:04 < kanzure> well i sort of try to maintain it
14:05 < eudoxia> Awesome
14:05 < kanzure> nanorex died
14:05 < kanzure> and they had like 14,000 commits in a dead, inaccessible cvs repository
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14:05 < kanzure> so i got the repo and converted it to git
14:05 < kanzure> also there's http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev
14:05 < eudoxia> ah goddammit
14:06 < eudoxia> isn't the Extropy Institute or whatever it was called also shut down?
14:06 < kanzure> yes
14:06 < kanzure> they ran out of money
14:06 < eudoxia> Bummer
14:06 < kanzure> it's ok they weren't doing anything except conferences/editorials
14:12 < eudoxia> Is... anybody actually doing anything? :
14:12 < eudoxia> :P
14:12 < kanzure> um, not really no
14:13 < kanzure> some of the diybio/biohacking people are trying to do things
14:14 < eudoxia> ah well that's nice too
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14:44 < CryptoQuick> just bought the student edition of solidworks
14:45 < kanzure> why did you pay for it
14:45 < CryptoQuick> because I got frustrated trying to pirate the latest versions
14:45 < CryptoQuick> it'd be easy if the one I got from the torrent just worked, but there was (of course) a licensing issue
14:45 < CryptoQuick> and then there's one from a rapidshare-type site that wants me to download 20 separate 400mb captcha'd 30s wait period, 900s interim ffffffuuuuu--
14:46 < kanzure> sw 2011 might not yet be cracked
14:46 < CryptoQuick> it is
14:46 < CryptoQuick> 2011 sp0, sp2, and sp3
14:46 < foucist> coulda just tried an older version of solidworks?
14:47 < CryptoQuick> dude, it was a nightmare I don't want to experience again by retelling it
14:47 < foucist> :P
14:47 < CryptoQuick> I tried sw 2010, but it would quit immediately whenever I tried to save
14:48 < CryptoQuick> I think there was a fix for that by setting a property in windows that, like, don't use the special aero effects... but by then I was on to 2011
14:48 < CryptoQuick> I rarely go legit, guys, I usually know what I'm doing, but solidworks, for some reason, always fucks me over
14:48 < kanzure> works for me :/
14:48 < CryptoQuick> I knew someone would say that
14:49 < CryptoQuick> especially you, kanz
14:49 < CryptoQuick> well, la-de-fucking-da, good for you :P
14:49 < kanzure> do you want the file?
14:49 < CryptoQuick> no, I have all the files :P
14:49 < kanzure> or are you just going to fucking complain
14:49 < CryptoQuick> I'm going to wait
14:49 < CryptoQuick> two days
14:49 < CryptoQuick> :P
14:50 < CryptoQuick> btw, kanzure, weren't you going to sleep? :)
14:50 < CryptoQuick> sleaaaaappp
14:50 < kanzure> I AM SLEEPING
14:50 < kanzure> lucid dreaming interface
14:50 < CryptoQuick> oh
14:50 < CryptoQuick> nice
14:50 < kanzure> ever get that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?
14:50 < kanzure> "well this confounds the issue"
14:50 < CryptoQuick> of course
14:50 < CryptoQuick> after 36 hours :)
14:52 < CryptoQuick> btw, kanzure, if you still have the ability to conversate coherently, I've been writing down my ideas for implementation of auxons all week now
14:53 < CryptoQuick> the document(s) aren't formatted very nicely, so I won't put links to them now... but I'll describe the basic idea
14:54 < kanzure> skdb was originally a strategy for implementing a self-replicating system (if that's wwhat you mean by auxon and not axon)
14:54 < CryptoQuick> the major factor at play is that Cu availability in average crustal rock, according to the Lackner-Wendt paper, is very low, as in, 10^-04-05 low
14:54 < kanzure> the concept was to look into all of the available manufacturing processes and find a cyclic graph representing the processes that could make each other
14:55 < CryptoQuick> interesting
14:55 < CryptoQuick> I'd like to know more about your results
14:56 < CryptoQuick> I'm more at the architecture level at the moment, not so much at tooling
14:56 < CryptoQuick> I have come up with an outline for the design of the actual auxon, however, which you might find interesting
14:57 < CryptoQuick> first, I need to put on some music that won't annoy the shit outta me
14:58 < CryptoQuick> my music collection, 100+GB after five years of collecting all the good stuff, album-by-album, remarkably, has very little music that I'm really particularly inclined to listen to
14:58 < CryptoQuick> sorry, I'm whining again :P
14:59 < CryptoQuick> here we go, stick to the classics
14:59 < CryptoQuick> Blank & Jones
15:00 < CryptoQuick> anyway, the machine
15:00 < CryptoQuick> I'm worried about solenoids at this point as the interface between the microcontroller and the moving parts
15:00 < CryptoQuick> kanzure & co., don't suppose y'all have any ideas on this?
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15:02 < CryptoQuick> dammit, too many ideas to convey in IRC
15:02 < CryptoQuick> formattan document :P
15:03 < kanzure> still sleeping
15:03 < CryptoQuick> :)
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17:20 < foucist> i tried a bunch of cad programs but they all have such ugly interfaces and i don't want to spend the time learning how to use them heh
17:20 < foucist> pita
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18:26 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
18:40 < mayko> Hiiiii
18:40 < mayko> I made a video about the environmental chemistry of carbon dioxide... here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LJFTDHLQyk
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18:45 < ybit> CryptoQuick: sw works for me too :)
18:46 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers has live streaming video, dunno if they had you streaming though
18:47 < ybit> all i could think during your presentation most likely was fml, as I was in the burning sun fetching scrap metal :P
18:51 < ybit> so flamot has a chip in his skull implanted by scientologists, innteresting :)
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20:46 < ybit> kanzure: I'm third to fifth cousins with a Bishop according to 23andMe
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21:43 < ybit> kanzure: reminder for request of STEP documentation
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22:13 < kanzure> ughhh http://lesswrong.com/lw/5il/siai_an_examination/
22:15 < kanzure> "The organization reported $118,803.00 in theft in 2009 resulting in a year end asset balance lower than expected. The SIAI is currently pursuing legal restitution."
22:15 < kanzure> haha, fuckin' tyler emerson (i think)
22:15 < kanzure> god damn fuckers
22:15 < kanzure> all scammy as hell
22:21 < kanzure> god the reasoning in the comments is awful. i hate this site.
22:28  * ybit pokes kanzure 
22:28 < AJolly> anyone going to the H+ conference this weekend?
22:28 < ybit> I'm going to start meeting with friends every week and calling it an h+ conf
22:29 < ybit> ..instead.
22:31 < AJolly> i hear thats what living in the bay is called
22:31 < kanzure> ybit: NO DOCUMENTS FOR YOU
22:31 < kanzure> i'm really tired and i'll get to it in the morning
22:31 < ybit> :'(
22:31 < ybit> k
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22:38 < kanzure> LA/grg photos http://www.grg.org/meetings/announce.html
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