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08:01 < kanzure> ashkenazi 23andme data https://rapidshare.com/files/961006780/ASHK.tar.gz
08:01 < kanzure> see: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/05/ashkenazi-23andme-v3-genotype-for-the-taking/
08:02 < kanzure> oh fuck not rapidshare.. ugh
08:02 < CryptoQuick> oh fuck not rapidshare.. ugh
08:04 < kanzure> eventually the file will be done here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/23andme/
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11:57 < kanzure> hm... someone on skype added me to ask me where i got this from:
11:57 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/humancortex/Homo_sapiens.gene_info.backup
11:58 < kanzure> i think it was humancortex.alleninstitute.org.. totally forgot about this :)
11:59 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/humancortex/extract_gene_ID_names.pl
11:59 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/humancortex/extract_specimen_ID_numbers.pl
12:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/humancortex/get_XML.pl
12:01 < kanzure> Sayan Pathak <sayanp@alleninstitute.org>
12:01 < kanzure> what an awesome name
12:01 < foucist> heyyyy bryan..  heyyyy bryan.. we need some lyrics here..
12:03 < foucist> sorry, the sudden influx of 'heybryan.org' links made me think of a song with "hey bryan" as part of hte lyrics!
12:03 < foucist> but too bad i'm not a lyricist :P
12:04 < kanzure> gee i should probably put this data somewhere more reasonable
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13:04 < delinquentme> howdy all
13:05 < delinquentme> kanzure, you have any idea how serious the diy bio kids are on submitting to that UCLA research project?
13:22 < kanzure> which ucla research project ?
13:30 < delinquentme> i mean UCLA proposed research related smartphone app
13:30 < delinquentme> it was on the socal bio group
13:36 < kanzure> ah i think i saw it and ignored it. didn't seem interesting to me.
13:36 < kanzure> it was something like someone's research proposal that they hadn't even committed to yet..
13:37 < kanzure> oh the medical app competition. meh.
13:37 < kanzure> the prize is only $3k that's only 30 hours of mediocre work
13:38 < delinquentme> humm if you know anyone whos putting time into something like that id jump on that shit
13:38 < delinquentme> id love to do some UI for a mobile research project
13:38 < delinquentme> but yeah im with you the 3k is measly
13:38 < kanzure> it also seems like it's just a "creative idea" competition.. no actual development
13:41 < kanzure> i don't know man.
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15:40 < fenn> what people don't seem to understand is that just throwing out a bunch of SNP's is totally useless for determining anything about phenotypes
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16:18 < pasky> kanzure: $100/hour? of course I live in Central Europe, but I thought even in US the top bar for usual programming work is around $50/hour
16:18 < pasky> is that out of date?
16:27 < QuantumG> listening to Knuth talk is painful
16:28 < QuantumG> pasky: consultants typically get paid a lot more than that.
16:28 < QuantumG> "contract programmers" get paid more still.
16:30 < QuantumG> but as far as I know, most programmers are actually on salary.. so a per hour rate would only be approximate.
16:34 < fenn> winning a contest generally gets you good publicity, if you care about that sort of thing
16:35 < fenn> whereas people tend to sneer when you tell them you're a contract programmer :P
16:39 < QuantumG> yeah.. there was a time where I couldn't bill enough hours, and I was getting paid quite a lot per hour.. it changes your life.  Getting food delivered is cheaper than going out to get it because you can get more work done.  Of course, I later learnt that I was one of the few contract programmers that was actually honest about his hours.
16:47 < pasky> i see
16:47 < pasky> heh, i've actually had my last day at work today, planning to slowly switch gears to freelance contract programming, once i figure out how to actually get some contracts :)
16:52 < QuantumG> they often advertise them with the jobs.. but having contacts and doing networking is more important.
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18:47 < ybit> !!
18:48 < ybit> ^ignore
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19:53 < kanzure> $100/hr is "mediocre"
19:54 < kanzure> still on the run.. bbl
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20:09 < mayko> I just empirically determined that delay(0) does not, in fact, delay an Arduino script for 0 milliseconds
20:09 < mayko> I made a loop with a delay(0) and one without and played them through a speaker
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20:30 < QuantumG> the point of delay(0) is to give up the remaining cycles of a timeslice to the operating system...
20:30 < QuantumG> I don't even know what you'd expect to happen on embedded device.
20:33 < mayko> alter the frequency of a speaker which is getting pinged once per cycle :)
21:08 < alystair> make the frequency change depending on remaining cycles in timeslice :D
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21:51 < jrayhawk> pasky: $50/hr is reasonable for steady full time employment; the numbers go up when you're spending half your time chasing after work or providing various forms of unpaid support.
21:52 < kanzure> $50/hr is completely unreasonable
21:52 < jrayhawk> well, plus various benefits
21:52 < kanzure> eh i guess it depends on where too.
21:53 < kanzure> india => fuck yeah
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21:53 < kanzure> pasky: contracting takes a long time to actually get contracts
21:54 < kanzure> pasky: if you don't mind it, you can always partner up with some consulting firm.. but it quickly starts to be like a regular job
21:54 < jrayhawk> only with more sharks
21:54 < kanzure> hrm i should respond to this metaquaifier guy shouldn't i
21:55 < QuantumG> meh, the point of contracting is that you or the employer can terminate the agreement whenever the hell they feel like it.
21:55 < QuantumG> so you better be getting more money or at least have a sensible saving plan.
21:55 < kanzure> today i built an openvbx setup for my mom's business :P
21:55 < kanzure> phone menu system.. thingy
21:55 < QuantumG> not to mention the accounting responsibilities are entirely your problem.
21:56 < QuantumG> I know a guy who did 3 years of contracting.. after he got away with not filing a tax return twice he thought he was free and clear.. then they came for their money.
21:56  * kanzure looks at http://race-database.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure
21:57 < jrayhawk> that guy is kinda dumb
21:57 < foucist> WHAT THE FUCK
21:57 < foucist> sorry i'm a bit sloshed
21:57 < kanzure> yo foucist
21:57 < foucist> kanzure: but seriously 150WPM?
21:57 < kanzure> fuck yeah!
21:57 < foucist> i thought i was doing awesome at 90 WPM
21:57 < foucist> screw yo!
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21:57 < foucist> you*
21:57 < kanzure> haha
21:57 < foucist> heh
21:58 < kanzure> foucist: want to race? http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trkanzure
21:58 < foucist> lemme hook up my keyboard
21:58 < kanzure> use brain rayz
21:58 < foucist> what's yours
21:58 < QuantumG> jrayhawk: yeah.. the first year he was totally worried.. and was like "I *really* shouldn't have dipped into that money" and the second year he was like "well, I'm already fucked so whatever.." and by the third he just thought he was getting away with it.
21:58 < kanzure> foucist: ?
21:59 < kanzure> foucist: my keyboard is some shitty laptop thing
21:59 < foucist> mine is the ultimate MS natural pro
21:59 < kanzure> not even on a real keyboard at the moment. too afraid.
21:59 < foucist> i'm impressed
21:59 < foucist> hmm
21:59 < foucist> i wonder if this keyboard would slow me down hmm
21:59 < foucist> lets try it both ways then!
21:59 < kanzure> well i wish they would collect keyboard stats :/
21:59 < foucist> lets start!
21:59 < kanzure> "HEY THIS KEY ON THIS KEYBOARD SUCKS"
21:59 < kanzure> ok
21:59 < kanzure> gotta click the link bro to join it
22:00 < kanzure> 152/100 not bad
22:00 < foucist> holy shiiiit
22:00 < foucist> you finished minutes before i did
22:00 < foucist> :P
22:01 < foucist> and i got off to a slow start
22:01 < foucist> again!
22:01 < kanzure> you think that is air you are breathing
22:01 < kanzure> bleh malcom gladwell :(
22:02 < foucist> arey ou making any typoes?
22:02 < foucist> the "judgement" one slowed me down
22:02 < foucist> i mean "judgments" i kept typing it with the e
22:02 < foucist> i refuse to make any typos btw
22:02 < kanzure> i make typos but i correct them with ctrl+a and retyping
22:02 < foucist> ahh
22:02 < foucist> hmm
22:02 < foucist> that's faster than backspacing
22:02 < kanzure> yes
22:02 < foucist> i must try that!
22:02 < foucist> again!
22:02 < foucist> oh shit
22:02 < foucist> it wants me to sign up
22:03 < foucist> ah i skipped
22:03 < kanzure> just use a nickname
22:03 < foucist> starting
22:04 < foucist> crapp
22:04 < foucist> seems like my first one was my best
22:04 < foucist> 93wpm meh
22:04 < foucist> you're crazy fast
22:05 < foucist> do you have long thin fingers or something?
22:05 < kanzure> not really
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22:05 < jrayhawk> there should be a site like that for various text operations so vim and emacs users can duke it out
22:05 < foucist> well if we both have the same type of fingers (short pudgy ones) then it's proof that brain speed or something has more to do with it
22:05 < kanzure> yes
22:05 < foucist> neuron speed hmm
22:05 < kanzure> no i don't have short/pudgy fingers
22:05 < kanzure> i'd say they are average fingers
22:06 < foucist> ah mine are kinda short relative to my bone widths
22:06 < foucist> hmm
22:07 < foucist> well i mean normal sized hands but big boned @ 5'10
22:07 < foucist> wider hands & feet than most
22:07 < kanzure> improvement graph: http://goo.gl/WdZor
22:07 < kanzure> i'm 6'4"
22:07 < foucist> i wonder if that helps
22:07 < foucist> longer fingers seem to do better?
22:07 < kanzure> maybe you can get finger extensions
22:07 < foucist> guys i knew that were really fast typists in high school all had longer fingers than i
22:08 < foucist> lol
22:08 < foucist> i didn't hit 80wpm until i was 24
22:08 < kanzure> honestly i think this wpm metric is broken
22:08 < kanzure> because i've been relatively stable for a few years now at 120wpm
22:08 < foucist> started typing at 13
22:08 < foucist> you should be pretty stable honestly
22:08 < foucist> pleateau at X wpm for a long time
22:08 < foucist> maybe break through to the next level every couple years or whatever
22:08 < foucist> progress should be fairly slow i imagine..
22:09 < kanzure> i should try dvorak.
22:09 < foucist> my top speed was probably around 65-70wpm at 18, busted 85wpm at 24.. slow steady progress
22:09 < foucist> or colemak
22:09 < kanzure> or build my own keyboard that doesn't suck
22:09 < foucist> dvorak swaps keys between hands whereas colemak keeps same keys on same hand
22:09 < foucist> yeah
22:10 < foucist> there's a couple keyboard maps out there that were created w/ evlutionary coputation
22:10 < foucist> evolutionary computation
22:10 < kanzure> keyboard maps do not interest me
22:10 < foucist> using finger travel distances and such
22:10 < foucist> a more hardware solution interests you eh?
22:10 < kanzure> sure.. ever see the data hand? not the quickest keyboard though
22:10 < foucist> http://www.safetype.com/
22:11 < kanzure> sure, that's one.. for the ergonomic wankers
22:11 < kanzure> (i'm perfectly ok sacrificing comfort for performance)
22:11 < foucist> hm, my asusmption is greater ergonomics leads to greater performance
22:11 < foucist> but i guess that won't always be true
22:12 < kanzure> i should add that as optional metadata on that typeracer db
22:12 < kanzure> http://race-database.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure
22:12 < kanzure> and then only let people compete with custom keyboards
22:14 < kanzure> anyway, this is boring
22:14 < foucist> yes!
22:14 < foucist> back to cool shit
22:14 < foucist> like nanotechnology and world domination
22:15 < AJolly> woo, world domination :D
22:31 < kanzure> fenn: Atrus <atrus6@gmail.com> has been inquiring about skdb stuff lately
22:31 < kanzure> he'll probably poke his head in (finally)
22:35 < kanzure> hmm i should exploit this
22:35 < kanzure> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/05/12/2030246/US-CERT-Warns-of-Serious-Hole-In-ActiveX-Control-From-Iconics
22:36 < kanzure> "I think I've told this story here before but the funniest experience was finding a set of cables hidden along an I-beam, asking about it and then getting grabbed by an engineer and told "Ssh! That's *our* network"."
22:38 < kanzure> industrial process control architecture stuff http://www.xpca.org/
22:40 < kanzure> via that guy: http://www.neoclassicspace.com/
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