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04:07 < fenn> "ways to improve human intelligence" review article http://www.winwenger.com/intellig.htm
04:09 < fenn> i gotta say i didnt feel smarter after playing underwater hockey
04:09 < fenn> okay nevermind, please ignore
04:43 < uniqanomaly> dude, great site :>
05:05 < kanzure> "Bryan, if you wish, get your young colleagues to suppress ageing with a full combination of judicious inhibition of constitutive NF-kB signalling; inhibition of oxidative stress via ROS amplifiers of cytoplasmic NADPHoxidases and p66SHC;"
05:05 < kanzure> "downregulation of PI3K-Akt-mTOR (...and upregulation of FOXO3a); inhibition of p16ink4a; upregulation of Nrf2; and maintenance of the circadian rhythm; upregulation of systemic IGF-1 and downregulation of intra-niche IGF-1."
05:06 < kanzure> "I use flavonoids (including prenylated ones); vanillinoids; sterols; terpenoids; xanthines; macrolides; other ring lactones; and lately I've been looking at polycyclic polyethers."
05:28 < uniqanomaly>  "There is a controversial US patent (US patent 6,410,516)[54] that applies to the discovery and use of agents that can block NF-κB for therapeutic purposes."
05:28 < uniqanomaly> lmao
05:28 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: if you want to read up on this shit,
05:28 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
05:29 < kanzure> i'm still not sure why the oxidative stress battle hasn't been resolved yet..
05:30 < uniqanomaly> ok, thx
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06:23 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
06:29 < fenn> grr.. i feel like my degree in molecular biology should have caused me to recognize at least one of those acronyms
06:32 < kanzure> fenn: atthe very least, NADPHoxidase
06:33 < fenn> well, now that you mention it, i know what that is
06:34 < kanzure> mTOR is also something you should know just by hanging out in here
06:34 < fenn> how big is ~bryan/papers2?
06:34 < kanzure> "target of rapamyacin"
06:34 < kanzure> 711 MB
06:34 < kanzure> oh
06:35 < kanzure> 711 MB ~bryan/papers2/longevity/
06:35 < kanzure> 7.6 GB ~bryan/papers2
06:35 < fenn> aha
06:36 < fenn> well maybe i will just put it on a backup drive
06:37 < fenn> was someone talking about vinpocetine in here? i've had the word stuck in my head for a few days now
06:38 < kanzure> no that was on 2011-02-06
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06:39 < fenn> hm, brian's big list of stuff. probably not where i got it from
06:40 < fenn> what's the point of html logs?
06:40 < kanzure> google indexing
06:40 < kanzure> i figure ##hplusroadmap logs might be valuable to someone somewhere
06:40 < kanzure> or it helps capture wandering/lost souls
06:41 < fenn> gotta catch 'em all
06:41 < JayDugger> Heh.
06:41 < kanzure> <-- a pokemon master
06:41 < fenn> a wild jaydugger appeared!
06:41 < kanzure> Fight! PkMn Items Run
06:42 < JayDugger> (Shh....they're a timid type of Cockfighting Seizure Monster, and very afraid of copyright violation.)
06:42 < kanzure> fenn: have you played favimon?
06:42 < kanzure> http://www.matthewhollett.com/favimon/index.php
06:43 < kanzure> i should do this for facebook avatars for people in meetlog.txt
06:43 < fenn> "intelectol" is just too good of a name to use on any non-fictional drug
06:43 < fenn> cockfighting seizure monster eh? ...
06:43 < JayDugger> Yes, but unoriginal.
06:43 < fenn> that reminds me, i havent played progressquest in months
06:44 < kanzure> oh man i need to get you hooked on dwarf fortress
06:44 < kanzure> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/screens.html
06:44  * fenn suspects the irony has been lost
06:44 < JayDugger> The departed RPG company Guardians of Order did a Pokemon-style RPG, and that was one of it's two titles.
06:45 < JayDugger> s/it's/its'/
06:45 < kanzure> i learned the other day that a going-on-8-year internet buddy
06:45 < kanzure> has been struggling with schizophrenia his entire life
06:45 < kanzure> it's really amazing because i hadn't known, at all
06:46 < kanzure> to be fair i was a very unaware kid back then.. but still
06:46 < kanzure> i think he was caught in the joplin hurricanes recently
06:46 < kanzure> and i haven't found him.
06:49 < kanzure> fenn: what's up on your end? h+?
06:50 < fenn> uh, sposed to be throwing together some old slides for qs talk tomorrow
06:51 < fenn> making ends meet and all that boring stuff
06:51  * fenn wonders what he's been doing as well
06:51 < fenn> maker faire was pretty much the same as last year
06:52 < kanzure> more consulting work is coming in my end
06:52 < kanzure> are you still interested in being hooked up
06:52 < fenn> yes
06:53 < fenn> oh, playing with my orange glasses
06:53 < fenn> they block out all blue light which makes your green receptors overcompensate so anything green pops out at you
06:54 < fenn> i've been getting excited about plover again
06:54 < fenn> my friend has a kinesis keyboard which has n-key rollover, but it's sufficiently weird that i might just make my own keyboard from scratch
06:55 < kanzure> https://safeandwell.communityos.org/zf/safesearch/search
06:55 < kanzure> hrm i don't have a phone number or address
06:55 < fenn> it's really too bad you can't do steno on a normal multiplexed keyboard
06:56 < kanzure> i was complaining to jrayhawk about steno like plover.. some of the combinations of letters apparently have multiple interpretations
06:56 < kanzure> er, combinations of keys
06:57 < fenn> i dont see how that could be possible
06:57 < fenn> different people have different dictionaries, maybe that's what he meant
06:57 < JayDugger> plover?
06:58 < fenn> JayDugger: http://plover.stenoknight.com/2010/03/how-to-speak-with-your-fingers.html
06:58 < kanzure> -RBS -- "-tious, -cious, -xious", As in delicious, obnoxious, precious.
06:59 < kanzure> "But since F already serves double duty as both F and V, it can sometimes be tricky to handle, as in paves/paces, braves/braces, proves/process, laughs/laves/lasses, et cetera. "
06:59 < fenn> ah, yes that is sort of a problem but one i can agree with the philosophy behind their decision at least
06:59 < kanzure> "Now, as you remember, -BGS is also -X, so you'll need to distinguish those sounds from one another when necessary."
07:01 < JayDugger> fenn, if you've interest in keybaord construction, have you seen http://www.keyboardmods.com/2010/10/magic-keyboard.html
07:02 < fenn> i'm going to build http://homepage2.nifty.com/perky/index.htm
07:02 < kanzure> fenn: hey that looks great
07:02 < JayDugger> Very impressive!
07:02 < fenn> he's been building them for like 20 years now
07:03 < JayDugger> kanzure, do you type on qwerty or on dvorak?
07:03 < fenn> i figure i should learn from someone who's made the mistakes already
07:03 < fenn> dvorak is a waste of time
07:03 < kanzure> JayDugger: qwerty http://race-database.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure
07:04 < fenn> you get 20% speed improvement and endless fun switching between keyboard modes
07:04 < JayDugger> No, thank you. I am not even in your league.
07:04 < kanzure> JayDugger: that's the stats page
07:04 < JayDugger> I agree with the speed and the endless bit, but I wouldn't call switching fun.
07:05 < fenn> can you see what percentile you're in with typeracer?
07:05 < JayDugger> kanzure: Yes. Notice that I am not on it?
07:05 < kanzure> fenn: sort of.. it rounds up so i'm in the 100%tile
07:05 < JayDugger> 70 wpm on a good day for me.
07:05 < kanzure> fenn: but if you sort the leaderboard, i'm between #30 and #40 somewhere http://race-database.com/typeracer/leaders
07:07 < fenn> i think it's pretty clear that chording keyboards just don't make sense if you're only entering one character at a time
07:07 < fenn> there are ~20! possible key combos so why not make use of that
07:07 < kanzure> honestly i find typing speed most useful for programming
07:08 < kanzure> there's no real reason to do transcripting.. just record some audio and throw it at software/people
07:08 < kanzure> not being able to hack out code quickly is a real impediment
07:08 < kanzure> and the reason why i'm so skeptical about keyboards that neglect special characters
07:08 < fenn> for reference, that's that's approximately 22 quadrillion more combinations than keys available on a keyboard
07:09 < kanzure> wait osamu's keyboard has 20 keys?
07:10 < fenn> something like that
07:10 < fenn> tarsal and metatarsal (?) for each finger
07:10 < kanzure> intertarsal
07:11 < fenn> god, anatomy is so stupid
07:11 < fenn> "distal and intermediate phalanges"
07:11 < fenn> why not just say the tip and middle of the finger
07:13 < JayDugger> Latin's heritage as an international language
07:14 < JayDugger> Unless those terms derive from Greek, in which case I will feel foolish and embarrassed and will fall silent.
07:15 < fenn> apparently all these touchpad based keyboards are unsatisfying to use; we need haptic feedback believe it or not
07:15 < kanzure> i'm totally ok with haptic feedback
07:16 < fenn> there aren't any low power haptic interface devices :*
07:16 < JayDugger> I like mine very much, but that lack of haptic feedback did take the most adjustment.
07:16 < kanzure> what about just physical feedback
07:16 < fenn> besides piezos/buzzers, which barely count
07:16 < kanzure> physical/mechanical.. like springs :P
07:16 < kanzure> er, i meant to imply "like other keyboards"
07:16 < kanzure> springs are an awful idea
07:17 < fenn> keyboards all have springs in them
07:17 < fenn> or buckling domes or whatever
07:17 < fenn> jaydugger what do you use?
07:18 < JayDugger> An old Fingerworks Touchstream.
07:18 < kanzure> i was hoping you'd say "dragon naturallyspeaking"
07:18 < JayDugger> Are you kidding? I'd have to write a second draft of everything. Then how could I excuse poor writing?
07:18 < fenn> are those... membrane switches?
07:19 < JayDugger> No.
07:19 < fenn> ok good :P
07:20 < JayDugger> Sorry, called away by my girlfriend.
07:21 < fenn> looks like they are out of business.. okay how does it work?
07:21 < fenn> it has a lot of chips in it
07:22 < JayDugger> I honestly can't tell you. They're too expensive and rare to disassemble.
07:23  * fenn is looking at http://jan.rychter.com/fingerworks-touchstream-kbd/
07:24 < fenn> apparently the tech made it into the iphone
07:24 < JayDugger> Yeah, and I suspect on into the Magic Trackpad.
07:24 < kanzure> gahh 152
07:24 < kanzure> but to be fair that was on a macbookpro and i don't use that keyboard often
07:25 < fenn> have you found any correlations between typing speed and other things?
07:25 < kanzure> adderall
07:25 < JayDugger> Heh.
07:26 < kanzure> it adds 20-30wpm
07:26 < fenn> i wish steno weren't so ... arbitrary
07:27 < fenn> i have a hard time wanting to learn something that's "beacuse we always did it that way"
07:27 < fenn> and zero analysis
07:27 < fenn> if i'm going to learn an apparently arbitrary mapping i'd want it based on huffman coding or something
07:28 < kanzure> i type 'y' with the wrong hand about 60% of the time
07:28 < fenn> it's in the middle; there's no "wrong" hand
07:29 < kanzure> if that's true then why don't i type 't' with my right
07:29 < fenn> because there's more keys on the right and you're distracted
07:29 < JayDugger> Do you remember the Slashdot post about evolving an optimtal keyboard?
07:29 < JayDugger> optimal, even.
07:29 < kanzure> opbimal
07:29 < kanzure> opbimal for loltxt
07:30 < kanzure> 158..
07:30 < JayDugger> CP Walker, 2003, (Google Scholar)
07:31 < fenn> i still think alternate key layouts are a waste of time
07:31 < fenn> no matter what you're still entering text one letter at a time
07:31 < JayDugger> Why do you need a standard? Do you often switch between machines?
07:31 < JayDugger> Ph.
07:31 < JayDugger> Oh.
07:32 < fenn> i often use OEM keyboards, yes :P
07:32 < fenn> in fact, precisely zero of the keyboards i currently own were not manufactured by  a large corporation
07:33 < kanzure> since it's the internet
07:33 < kanzure> we are now obligated to combine custom keyboard craftsmanship
07:33 < kanzure> with pokemon
07:33 < kanzure> "gotta catch 'em all" => catch all of the keys/combos? :p
07:33 < fenn> i met a woman at maker faire who makes her own keyboards
07:33 < kanzure> apparently keyboarding competitions used to be sponsored by manufacturers
07:34 < kanzure> with their different typewriters having different layouts
07:34 < kanzure> obviously they each had something to gain by proving that their layout was the best
07:35 < fenn> http://hackaday.com/2011/05/21/bamf2011-keyboards-built-from-scratch/
07:35 < kanzure> i'd be surprised if there's genuinely no improvement possible
07:35 < kanzure> again steno doesn't really count in my book..
07:35 < fenn> why not? most words you type are words
07:35 < fenn> even while coding
07:35 < kanzure> i value my code-words more than my other words
07:36 < fenn> if it weren't so easy to type "^" or whatever, we probably wouldnt use them  in our programming languages
07:36 < kanzure> yes, well
07:37 < fenn> lisp machines had two huge parentheses buttons
07:37 < JayDugger> Heh...and a keyboard optimized for vi would have a big Esc button?
07:38 < fenn> the last link was made specifically for vi
07:38 < fenn> esc is the '5' button next to space bar
07:38 < kanzure> heh laser cut backplate. not a bad idea
07:39 < fenn> yeah the way she did it makes it look pretty easy
07:40 < kanzure> for all my google-fu i can't seem to find a programming language that only accepts alphanumeric source code
07:41 < kanzure> oh well, you'll just have to make one yourself
07:42 < Utopiah> Logo?
07:42 < fenn> you can type weird characters with steno
07:42 < kanzure> i'm sure
07:43 < kanzure> just, what you type means different things if you're not careful
07:43 < fenn> i'd like to do some kind of autocomplete based on the contents of the file, so it does camelcase if the existing code is camelcase etc
07:44 < fenn> if i'm not careful i'm going to end up writing a text editor
07:44 < fenn> well anyway, i have to build a keyboard first or this is all idle speculation
07:44 < kanzure> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2620
07:44 < kanzure> g:neocomplcache_enable_camel_case_completion = 1
07:45 < kanzure> let g:neocomplcache_enable_smart_case = 1
07:48 < fenn> this is the one i've used http://www.mohdshakir.net/2007/12/27/enable-vim-code-python-auto-complete
07:49 < fenn> it only uses contents of the file; of course filenames and vim commands etc can be helpful but only i f i can turn them off separately
07:52 < fenn> is there a way to make a symbolic file that is what you would get if you appended multiple files together? (without actually doing that every time the file changes)
07:53 < fenn> like foofo .bashrc = bashrc.d/*
07:54 < fenn> mkfoofo :P
08:13 < kanzure> fenn: maybe a socket?
08:14 < kanzure> am i thinking of the correct linux idiom
08:15 < kanzure> oh, no
08:22 < kanzure> you could make a fake device that just runs tar periodically
08:25 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/05/putting-the-open-in-openpcr-open-source-biotech.html
08:25 < kanzure> 2 years is still inexcusable
08:26 < kanzure> wait, last february?
08:26 < kanzure> what
08:26 < kanzure> oh tito wrote that post. i'm sorry for linking to it.
08:59 < fenn> tito was here last night randomly
08:59 < fenn> we ate baklava and i carefully avoided conversation about anything diybio
09:00 < fenn> 162 min to download papers2
09:02 < fenn> what is the utility of the .zip and .tgz files?
09:03 < kanzure> fenn: is he reasonable when not talking about diybio-related stuff?
09:04 < kanzure> fenn: which .zip/.tgz files in particular
09:04 < kanzure> microfluidics.tar.gz is just a giant/old backup that you can ignore
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09:05 < fenn> actually he didnt talk much about non-diybio-stuff. we didnt talk much :\
09:06 < fenn> i mean what's the use of compressing them instead of just putting them in directories and pointing people at wget
09:07 < kanzure> they are leftovers from previous file transfers i had
09:08 < kanzure> i'm going to remove microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip, microfluidics_2009.zip, and microfluidics.tar.gz
09:09 < kanzure> there.. now it's only 6.7 GB
09:10 < kanzure> any thoughts about a historical record file i could keep to indicate to outsiders where files have been moved from previous servers/paths?
09:10 < kanzure> i.e. "heybryan.org/books/* -> diyhpl.us/hidden0xh/"
09:10 < kanzure> i guess that format could work
09:10 < JayDugger> :)
09:10 < fenn> um. it would be neat if you actually had a url mapping which served the urls with a 403
09:10 < kanzure> well, that too
09:11 < fenn> er, 301
09:11 < kanzure> and then layered/stacked these together across my dumb server jumps
09:11 < kanzure> honestly i don't intentionally switch servers so often
09:11 < kanzure> designfiles.org was an accident
09:12 < fenn> why are you not using heybryan.org as your domain name?
09:12 < kanzure> my web presence is so confused and mangled that i don't know what to do
09:13 < kanzure> there's still lots of heybryan.org content that hasn't been uploaded (would take weeks)
09:13 < fenn> filelight is pretty good for figuring out what the hell is there
09:14 < JayDugger> Seconded.
09:14 < fenn> without getting distracted by the over 9,000 files in the directory
09:14 < fenn> gdmap is fast but doesn't seem to elucidate anything
09:14 < kanzure> to make a proper 301 mapping i'd have to know the original paths
09:14 < kanzure> and part of the problem is some fucked up apache configuration i had going on
09:15 < fenn> i suggest using less apache black magic in the future
09:15 < kanzure> "hur dur i'll just pass /school to /mnt/hdb3/backups/old/server/2005-04-13/var/www/school/"
09:16 < kanzure> yes i agree
09:21 < fenn> hey is there some kind of magic filesystem hack that will let me store as many duplicates (not symbolic links) as i want without taking up extra space?
09:21 < fenn> based on hashing the file contents
09:22 < pasky> git
09:22 < fenn> i know about git-annex but it seems like a bit of a pain
09:23 < fenn> regular git can't be spread across volumes
09:23 < JayDugger> pasky, have you used git-annex?
09:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk:
09:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you were pushing for git-annex a while back so i'll just assume you're familiar with it
09:24 < pasky> i haven't used git-annex
09:25 < kanzure> fenn: it would be helpful to have something that analyzed an apache configuration file
09:25 < kanzure> and then constructed original urls for files and maps them to my actual filesystem
09:25 < kanzure> based on aliases/paths/directories and other apache elements
09:26 < kanzure> then i can take those paths and map them to whatever
09:27 < kanzure> ok so i'm in the middle of my iphone programming productivity today (adderall, etc.)
09:27 < kanzure> and someone just called and i should really take this meeting before 3pm
09:28 < fenn> and why are you telling us about it :P
09:28 < kanzure> code or people..
09:28 < kanzure> well it's a tough decision that i don't really want to make :P
09:28 < fenn> who's calling?
09:28 < JayDugger> Flip a coin.
09:28 < kanzure> this guy posted on craigslist asking for android testers
09:29 < kanzure> so i offered to help test "and oh by the way i'm a developer"
09:29 < kanzure> so i'm going to show up and say "WELL, the way i test is i started a company and wrote this whole testing framework"
09:29 < kanzure> <-- over-prepared
09:29 < fenn> meh
09:29 < kanzure> yeah exactly it's a non-critical meeting, but i should do it anyway
09:29 < JayDugger> 't'ain't bragging if you can do it.
09:29  * kanzure is trying to wake up elevenarms to do it instead
09:30 < fenn> he's a better salesman anyway
09:30 < fenn> he even has a toolstache
09:30 < kanzure> see pm
09:33 < kanzure> how would you like to buy a used car, fenn
09:33 < kanzure> what can i do to put you into a car today
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09:56 < Utopiah> http://www.magazinedown.com/Science/index.html
09:59 < Utopiah> (seems to be coming mainly from http://www.avaxhome.ws/magazines/science )
10:23 < fenn> huh, vinpocetine is really inexpensive
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10:45 < fenn> i'm going to start keeping track of market price per dose of various nootropics
10:45 < JayDugger> That's a good project.
10:46 < fenn> it's kind of annoying that erowid doesn't list prices
10:46 < fenn> at least not in a systematic way
10:47 < JayDugger> http://fourmilab.ch/documents/health/supplements/
10:49 < JayDugger> Scroll down to the nootropics section, and click on the little pill icons for prices.
10:49 < fenn> i thought that page was mostly about turning dieting into a video game
10:49 < JayDugger> Oh, his "The Hacker's Diet?"
10:50 < JayDugger> Only if you find Excel a video game.
10:50 < fenn> well, using skills you normally apply to engineering problems to the problem of dieting
10:51 < JayDugger> Yeah, that's the Hacker's Diet, and that's him. Nootropics lie pretty far down the page.
10:51 < fenn> fortunately it's not hard to find people selling nootropics, it's just hard to find all the prices in one place in a consistent scheme
10:51 < JayDugger> There's your opportunity. :)
10:52 < fenn> hm
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10:55 < fenn> deprenyl/L-dopa is being sold as an anti-aging drug? wtf
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10:56 < fenn> oh it's not the same as l-dopa
10:56 < JayDugger> If you get anywhere with that price tracker, please mention it here. That project interests me.
10:57 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
10:59 < fenn> it's more like an OCD nervous reaction than a project
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13:49 < kanzure> huh..
13:49 < kanzure> "The reality is that information has negative value. Time has positive value. You have to buy attention."
13:50 < kanzure> well that had the makings of being an insightful statement but then it catastrophically ends
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14:01 < sixyearolds> kanzure, it begins catastrophically
14:02 < sixyearolds> kanzure, the only way i can think of it as true is if information =/= entropy, and requires making specialised states, because in entropy there is no information
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14:13 < kanzure> sixyearolds: i think he meant to say "The reality is that information has negative monetary value." or to imply that it's not a monetary asset that can be leveraged as directly as other commodities
14:14 < thesnark> hey kanzure
14:14 < thesnark> happy birthday ;)
14:15 < sixyearolds> kanzure, knowledge is the new currency, its inflationary and people try to induce value through scarcity(copyright laws, patents). but information has made humanity profit off of the solar system, everyone lives collectively better than 1000 years ago, how can that be negative wealth? human race is not a zero sum game
14:18 < delinquentme> "information has negative monetary value?
14:18 < delinquentme> ^^ no way
14:18 < kanzure> whatever. i don't really care about fixing the statement
14:19 < delinquentme> anyone know what part of a electro-mechanical stack determines if its running in VDC?
14:19 < delinquentme> and 2! has anyone written research grants
14:20 < thesnark> delinquentme I have some experience with that
14:20 < thesnark> your audience matters a lot
14:20 < delinquentme> thesnark, with grant writing?
14:20 < thesnark> yeah, some
14:20 < thesnark> I co-authored a grant and am writing one
14:20 < delinquentme> makes sense .. any suggestions for the science community / national science foundation?
14:20 < thesnark> but I've only done it for university
14:20 < delinquentme> specifically online writing guides
14:21 < thesnark> NSF...very high competition grants
14:21 < delinquentme> should i look for smaller institutions?
14:21 < delinquentme> currently im working on really simple liquid handling hardware
14:22 < thesnark> honestly....you have to write a killer grant that presents a new way to do something and in a clear manner as well as know somebody who can lobby for you
14:22 < delinquentme> for NSF
14:22 < thesnark> yeah
14:22 < thesnark> not that you can't get it without those things
14:23 < thesnark> but if you want to be 100% sure, you'd need a rigorously written grant and contacts
14:23 < delinquentme> now NSF grants are going to be multi million dollar
14:23 < delinquentme> like i dont need that haha
14:23 < delinquentme> i need maybe 10g
14:23 < thesnark> yeah... lots of competition
14:24 < delinquentme> suggestions for sources for smaller grants .. around that 10k number?
14:24 < thesnark> delinquentme what is your proposal for?
14:24 < delinquentme> automated medical equipment
14:24 < delinquentme> theres another question .. can this stuff be used for profit?
14:25 < thesnark> oh, can you make it profitable? YOu might just be able to get startup money
14:25 < thesnark> 10g is nothing really in terms of trying new ideas
14:25 < delinquentme> this is true
14:25 < thesnark> hell, if you can just make it _sound_ profitable you can probably get startup money
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14:26 < thesnark> grant that I co-authored was for 50k and that would probably have been classified as a very easy grant
14:26 < thesnark> you can get 10g
14:26 < delinquentme> now grants can also be used to pay the workers salaries
14:26 < thesnark> talk to business people
14:26 < thesnark> yes of course
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14:27 < delinquentme> basically i want to work on this full time.. and not have to rely on other job SOLELY
14:27 < thesnark> delinquentme what you need is contacts
14:27 < thesnark> delinquentme people who are active in the industry you want to innovate in
14:27 < thesnark> delinquentme even on a casual basis, it will help you a lot
14:28 < delinquentme> so i've made .. maybe 3
14:28 < delinquentme> of like people who hold a spot
14:28 < delinquentme> and im like a week out from a working prototype
14:28 < thesnark> a working prototype will help you a _lot_
14:29 < thesnark> if you can show them the idea they will love it
14:29 < thesnark> a lot of people who make decisions to give money don't want to hear about an idea, they want to see it
14:29 < thesnark> that will get you a long way right there
14:30 < delinquentme> awesome.
14:30 < delinquentme> so keep doing what im doing :D
14:30 < thesnark> so I have no idea what you have in mind or what your situation is, but: 1) Develop your prototype 2_ Make lots of friends 3) ???? 4) Profit!
14:30 < delinquentme> i've got 3 labs who are open to checking it out once i get it operational .. so thats awesome
14:31 < delinquentme> and im in pittsburgh so like
14:31 < delinquentme> yeahhh it is _THE_ place to be for this
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22:37 < kanzure> the blog posts are still coming..
22:37 < kanzure> http://fredcobio.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/biopunk-diy-scientists-hack-the-software-of-life/
22:37 < kanzure> someone needs to figure out what sort of dope marcus is on
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