--- Log opened Fri Jun 03 00:00:07 2011 00:07 -!- mayko [~mayko@69-36-214-157.dynamic.dsl.skybest.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-42.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:32 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-140.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:25 < Utopiah> http://weboob.org 02:49 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 03:03 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:53 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe13dd00-52.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:58 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe13dd00-52.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:33 < Utopiah> http://code.google.com/p/plowshare/ 05:42 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:43 < Utopiah> http://pyload.org also withtesseract support for captcha 05:57 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-79-43.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- streety [~streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:26 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 < kanzure> copenhagen launched today? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2616050 07:55 < kanzure> QuantumG: you have failed me 08:07 -!- panax [panax@131.247.13.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:09 < JayDugger> Heh... 08:11 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 < kanzure> more adverspam http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/29/citizen-science-quar.html 08:20 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:31 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 08:41 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:42 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:55 -!- devrandom1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:56 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:00 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:22 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:31 -!- lumos [~lumos@90.205.25.211] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 < fenn> interesting website, they even do custom synthesis http://drugspowerstore.com/ 11:56 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:17 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:40 -!- lumos is now known as damelo_ya 12:41 -!- damelo_ya is now known as type_I 12:56 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- type_I [~lumos@90.205.25.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22 < fenn> kanzure, you should become a hipster http://jobs.usehipster.com/ 13:23 < fenn> that guy looks unconfortably similar to todd anderson 13:44 -!- panax [panax@131.247.13.196] has quit [] 13:48 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:03 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 < kanzure> fenn: that sounds like an awful idea 14:32 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:46 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:53 -!- lumos [~lumos@90.205.25.211] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:06 -!- wrldpc [~benjaminp@oki-180-131-218-211.jpns.spearpt.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06 -!- lumos is now known as hornyman11 15:10 -!- hornyman11 is now known as Vez 15:11 -!- Vez is now known as john_stew 15:13 -!- john_stew is now known as larynx 15:13 -!- larynx is now known as lumos 15:14 -!- Vez [~persepoli@90.205.25.211] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 < lumos> hey 15:15 -!- strages [~strages@adsl-98-81-89-72.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 < Vez> Is this the feminists rights group?? 15:16 < lumos> no #ubuntu-women 15:16 < Utopiah> ##kitchen 15:17 < lumos> Utopiah, ##captinoffutbalteaam hurrdurr 15:17 < Vez> They won't reply to me :( 15:17 < lumos> tell them they are flip switch bitches 15:17 < Vez> Vez: I suggest you go read the groups mission statement etc. on the site listed in the topic 15:17 < Vez> shemad brah 15:17 < lumos> why u meme atm 15:18 < lumos> ATM* machine 15:18 -!- benjaminpeterson [~benjaminp@oki-180-131-218-211.jpns.spearpt.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 < lumos> atm finite state machine 15:20 < lumos> can you ask them to bring back my taskbar Vez 15:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 15:42 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:56 -!- Vez [~persepoli@90.205.25.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32 < kanzure> if anyone has suggestions for what i should do with heybryan.org, i'm open 16:32 < kanzure> i've updated the landing page http://heybryan.org/ (optimized for mobile, for some reason) 16:33 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:34 < lumos> kanzure, 16:34 < lumos> i have an idea 16:34 < lumos> called feedback - net 16:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 16:56 < kanzure> story of my life? :p http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2618346 17:02 < fenn> what's the point of a QR code on a webpage? 17:05 < kanzure> hipster flare 17:06 < fenn> also the QR code comes after the contact info stuff, probably not what you meant (use float: right?) 17:06 < kanzure> it's what i meant 17:06 < kanzure> honestly i haven't put a lot of thought into this 17:06 < fenn> you wanted it on its own line 17:07 < kanzure> the 280north guy has a lot of content on his site i guess 17:07 < kanzure> http://tlrobinson.net/ 17:07 < kanzure> but i have a /lot/ of random crap and i have no idea where to put it 17:07 < fenn> sort of anti-css webpage there 17:08 < fenn> its not hard to divide stuff into categories 17:09 < fenn> manufacturing, biotech, neuroscience, etc 17:09 -!- strages [~strages@adsl-98-81-89-72.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:09 < kanzure> but then i end up with 1000 categories or whatever 17:09 < kanzure> or worse: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/tags.2010-08-09-1150.html 17:10 < kanzure> dave has been going kinda crazy getting me to re-do my website :) 17:11 * fenn giggles 17:11 < kanzure> since i'm so clueless as to what to do 17:11 < fenn> that is an impressive tag list 17:11 < kanzure> that's just meetlog2tags 17:11 < kanzure> dave threw up something new.. 17:11 < kanzure> http://elevenarms.com/ 17:11 < fenn> i mean its a lot of tags 17:12 < fenn> well obviously dave comes from the 'artistic graphic design' philosophy 17:13 < kanzure> i guess i have 100s of screenshots i can dump into a website 17:13 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/ 17:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/ 17:14 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15 < fenn> i do like webpages like saul griffith's old page, i dont think you have enough neato graphics to pull it off 17:16 < kanzure> i like the default apache index :( 17:19 < fenn> who is "ragsdale"? 17:19 < kanzure> old biology teacher 17:25 < fenn> what actual html webpages do you have written already? 17:25 < fenn> iirc the mediawiki had most of the interesting stuff and it's too much of a bother to bring back apparently 17:26 < fenn> and we dont really need a site map of your paper dumps 17:26 < kanzure> lots of useless junk.. 17:26 < kanzure> so um.. nothing i guess. 17:27 < fenn> the analytical instrumentation page was kinda neat 17:27 < kanzure> cd ~/heybryan.org; ls -l *.html; wc -l 17:27 < kanzure> 119 17:28 < fenn> honestly i think you should start a blog 17:28 < kanzure> other stuff like http://heybryan.org/alternate_transistors.html 17:28 < kanzure> what would i put on my blog? 17:29 < fenn> stuff you are currently interested in 17:29 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/graphene.html 17:30 < fenn> is there a summary of your research on sustained attention? 17:30 < kanzure> no 17:30 < kanzure> oh man :( i remember when that wiki page was deleted the first time around, 17:31 < kanzure> the only copy is the version you're probably familiar with 17:31 < kanzure> (it was deleted because a browser crashed, and i hadn't saved) 17:32 < kanzure> i don't know why i have been so personally against blogging 17:32 < fenn> because 90% of blogs are crap 17:33 < kanzure> basically you want an rss feed of text i write 17:33 < fenn> (the rest of that quote is: and 90% of everything is crap) 17:34 < kanzure> dave wants my site to be a showcase of shit i've done 17:34 < kanzure> btw, he thinks (and i agree) that you're the worst self-promoter ever 17:34 < fenn> yep 17:35 < fenn> i dont suppose you ever found any "agents" 17:35 < kanzure> to manage me? 17:35 < fenn> to manage nerds, in general 17:35 < kanzure> yes: angels and professors 17:35 < fenn> rather, to convince neurotypicals to interact with us 17:36 < fenn> professors? 17:36 < kanzure> oh, angels 17:36 < kanzure> just angels then. 17:36 < fenn> what? 17:36 < kanzure> are you familiar with angel funding 17:36 < fenn> yes 17:36 < kanzure> yeah.. it helps. a lot. 17:36 < fenn> hm. what does your angel do for you 17:36 < kanzure> i don't have an angel 17:37 < fenn> so how do you know 17:37 < kanzure> dave has had a few 17:37 < fenn> hey i updated my website a little bit 17:37 < kanzure> yeah we saw today 17:37 < kanzure> he wants to re-do your visualizer 17:37 < fenn> the lifelog graph is supposed to automatically update, but cron is a piece of shit 17:38 < fenn> yeah, i want to re-do my visualizer also 17:38 < fenn> add pictures and other data 17:38 < fenn> interactive zoom and query etc 17:39 < fenn> anyway its pretty low on priority list 17:39 < kanzure> yeah.. only reason he's forcing me to update my site is cause of some deals coming through 17:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-62-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:39 < kanzure> today is "bryan writes lots of iOS code" day (almost done with a v1 of whatever it is i'm doing) 17:40 < fenn> i wish i understood how to make css box packing work sensibly 17:41 < kanzure> have you considered raphaeljs or three.js for your visualization 17:41 < fenn> i've never done anything significant in js, so i dont really know what's available 17:42 < kanzure> http://raphaeljs.com/ 17:42 < kanzure> https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/ 17:43 < kanzure> try this in chrome :p http://helloracer.com/webgl/ 17:43 < fenn> why would i use a 3d engine for a time chart? 17:44 < fenn> webgl is still in dev version, which i don't care about enough to switch to 17:44 < fenn> anyway raphaeljs looks like the right idea 17:44 < kanzure> you'd use webgl because you're crazy 17:52 < fenn> okay how do i make it so a script gets executed 10 minutes after the last time a file was changed? 17:54 < fenn> i know about FAM but it seems like overkill 17:54 < kanzure> probably a daemon 17:55 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you would know a better idea, right? 17:56 * fenn mumbles something about inotify 18:02 < fenn> blegh 18:02 < fenn> modafinil makes you stare at the screen too hard :( 18:04 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyon.e 18:06 < fenn> hello 18:32 < kanzure> hello 18:33 < JayDugger> fenn, you build a reprap. Do I remember that right? 18:34 < fenn> yes, mostly 18:34 < gnusha> hello 18:34 < kanzure> hello 18:34 < fenn> kanzure is a bot! 18:34 < kanzure> hello 18:37 < JayDugger> Before I start searching for such a thing, have you seen a list of "things you'll wish you'd known" for building repraps? 18:39 < fenn> um, opinions vary widely 18:40 < fenn> i recommend building a prusa with one of the newer extruders and RAMPS electronics 18:41 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 < fenn> newer = adrian's geared extruder, for example 18:42 < fenn> the important bit is that the teflon goes _inside_ the hot part, not the other way around 18:43 < fenn> and use PLA, don't even bother with ABS 18:43 < fenn> makerbot only uses ABS because it comes in lots of colors 18:47 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 < JayDugger> Thank you for the good advice. Any pointers on construction? 18:50 < JayDugger> Before I start searching, that is. Any sources I should disregard? 18:51 < fenn> i generally ignore anything written by forrest higgs 18:51 < fenn> things have changed a lot in the last year i'm sure, so you really should ask in #reprap instead 18:52 < fenn> also, start on the extruder first 18:53 < fenn> then just let it run for like 10 hours and make sure it keeps working 19:01 -!- lumos [~lumos@90.205.25.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:03 < JayDugger> I will repeat my question on #reprap, as you suggest. I asked here first; ##hplusroadmap has less noise than #reprap. 19:09 < kanzure> i'd be happy to amp up the noise 19:13 < kanzure> pharmaceutical patent prize funds 19:13 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hqs6w/sen_bernie_sanders_has_introduced_a_bill_to/ 19:17 < fenn> prizes don't actually work, as we've seen 19:17 < JayDugger> Which failures and which successes do you have in mind? 19:18 < fenn> the real problem is the whole FDA approval process 19:18 < fenn> there should be varying levels of approval based on how much testing it's had 19:18 < fenn> that way each new drug doesn't need a billion dollar up front investment 19:19 < fenn> JayDugger: specifically i was thinking of the x-prize and the gada prize 19:19 < fenn> (both failures in my mind) 19:20 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I disagree, but history will judge. 19:20 < kanzure> gada prize is just some dude with $20k who wants to exploit open source development in-progress-anyway to make his prizes seem successful 19:21 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 19:21 < fenn> "But of course, the problem doesn't lie with the patents or the people - the problem lies in the nasty warping effect on every human endeavor that stems from the concepts of money, profit, trade and competition." 19:22 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 < kanzure> there's about to be a tipping point re: software patents 19:23 < kanzure> redhat was too early to the party 19:23 < kanzure> and swpat.org seems like it might be helping 19:23 < fenn> why do you say that? 19:23 < kanzure> what we need is a global registry of people pledging to ignore or help change the patent system 19:24 < kanzure> because of developer mindshare/agreement 19:24 < kanzure> if the vast majority of programmers agree- in a public way- not to use the patent system, or that it should be pressured to change, then that's effectively lobbying/protesting 19:24 < kanzure> protesting by not-using is sorta bad though because everyone else can be patenting all this shit in the mean time.. 19:25 < kanzure> at this point, though, i'd say there's at least a few million supporters 19:25 < kanzure> eff should run a damn registry campaign, or something 19:27 < kanzure> this is particularly interesting as a hook into hardware patent reform 19:35 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03 < kanzure> "Three years ago I attended an "open-source CEO" dinner, at which I was seated between the CEOs of SourceForge and CollabNet (founder and principal proponent of the Subversion VCS). I asked the CollabNet CEO what he thought about Git, and he was dismissive, indicating that Subversion had already won." 20:04 < kanzure> "I then asked the SourceForge CEO if he knew about GitHub; he was vaguely familiar with them, but appeared utterly unconcerned. I thought to myself, All the battles have been fought and lost, and these guys don't even know there's a war." 20:25 < QuantumG> heh 21:25 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:12 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:27 -!- devrandom1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28 -!- devrandom1 [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:39 -!- devrandom [~niftyzero@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 < foucist> holy shit.. feb 2008 sihnce the formation of github. 23:37 < foucist> time flies 23:38 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 23:43 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- makers [~makers@c-71-207-221-57.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Jun 04 00:00:07 2011