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01:02 < augur> you know who didnt drop out of college? kurzweil
01:02 < augur> vinge
01:03 < augur> einstein, feynman, weil, ...
01:11 < bkero> are we really speaking of kurzweil as a visionary?
01:13 < QuantumG> there is no doubt that kurzweil is a visionary.  The definition being something like "a person with original ideas about what the future will or could be like"
01:14 < bkero> In it's strictest definition
01:14 < bkero> So is Cory Doctorow
01:14 < QuantumG> exactly
01:14 < QuantumG> so is William Gibson ffs
01:16 < bkero> doesn't visionary usually imply the quality of such 'original ideas'?  I have original ideas every day.
01:17 < QuantumG> no, not really.  Opening your mouth and talking with confidence about the future is sufficient for people to describe you as a visionary.
01:19 < bkero> So Marshall Applewhite of Heaven's Gate is a visionary
01:19 < bkero> and the jesus
01:19 < QuantumG> I believe "visionary preacher" is used to describe quite a lot of wackos
01:19 < bkero> and David Koresh
01:21 < CryptoQuick> self-replicating machines will be the key to future of construction and agriculture, infrastructure and power generation. there, visionary!
01:21 < bkero> You're a pretty lame visionary
01:22 < CryptoQuick> haha, yeah
01:23 < CryptoQuick> self-replicating machines are a silly idea, if they haven't been done by now, do we really need them at all?
01:26  * bkero will self-replicate you
01:27 < bkero> I'll do you one better.  Self-replicating machine with complimenting pairs for the purpose of accelerated adaptation and resistance.
01:28 < CryptoQuick> huh? adaptation and resistance? from / for what? I just want lots of machines to do my bidding
01:29 < bkero> adaptation to the surrounding environment
01:30 < bkero> resistance to histile forces of the surrounding environment
01:30 < bkero> *hostile
01:31 < CryptoQuick> the machines should be designed specifically for what they need to do. I don't see the utility in over-thinking whatever abstract notion of what hostile forces might be.
01:32 < bkero> It was supposed to be an allusion to self-replicating machines we've seen before like animsl.
01:32 < bkero> animals
01:32 < CryptoQuick> yeah, but machines aren't animals. now you're being lame.
01:32 < bkero> the utility is that you get to live without webbed toes since you don't live in the water anymore :P
01:32 < bkero> animals can't be machines?
01:33 < CryptoQuick> uh, straw man aside, the fundamental requirement is that they be replicable, not that the machines themselves replicate, but that they can be made by the system overall.
01:34 < bkero> last I saw they could perform mechanical power  
01:35 < CryptoQuick> the other requirement is that they be useful. so, the machines must be designed for specialized applications, but perhaps based upon a common platform for mobility.
01:35 < bkero> so they're not self replicating as individuals, but have to cluster to manufacture new nodes?
01:35 < CryptoQuick> sure thing.
01:35 < bkero> I don't think that's a strict requirement
01:35 < bkero> why not have them bud by themselves?
01:36 < CryptoQuick> because that would require each machine to be able to build another machine, and that seems counterintuitive. not all machines should be able to build another machine, it's superfluous.
01:37 < bkero> but if you're going to have your nanomachines be homogeneous anyways, it will mean that they can all perform every task in the cluster of manufacturing new nodes
01:37 < CryptoQuick> oh, I'm not speaking of nanomachines
01:37 < CryptoQuick> no wonder we're confused :)
01:37 < bkero> you were talking about macro sized critters?
01:38 < CryptoQuick> yes, of course! I don't see building a greenhouse the size of Biosphere II happening any time soon with an army of nano-ants. not with our current technology.
01:39 < CryptoQuick> "What is this, a school for ANTS!? it needs to be at least... three times bigger than this!"
01:39 < bkero> Is Derek Zoolander going to be designing your Biosphere II?
01:39 < CryptoQuick> lord, I hope not
01:39 < bkero> I'd rather have Mr Dyson.
01:40 < CryptoQuick> heh
01:40 < bkero> or maybe Timothy Leary
01:41 < CryptoQuick> but yeah, what I'm thinking of is something a lot like RepRap or, even better, a system of CNC machines and methods for assembling parts.
01:41 < bkero> so a reprap, except for the critical reprap part of self-reproduction
01:42 < bkero> original goal of reprap was to maximize the amount of self-replicatable parts
01:42 < CryptoQuick> not exactly. I'm thinking of using metals, CNC. this is because the metals are to be gotten from crustal rock, ISRU.
01:44 < CryptoQuick> and further, I'm not too keen on using electricity; I'd much rather operate using heat, considering how rare copper and other rare-earth metals are. not nearly enough of that readily-availible for ISRU self-replication.
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01:47 < bkero> I figured isru
01:48 < bkero> how do you plan on getting enough durable insulator to this place?
01:48 < bkero> or were you thinking no-atmo?
01:48 < CryptoQuick> insulator? such as ceramic?
01:49 < CryptoQuick> nah, I'm thinking here, on this planet :)
01:49 < bkero> oh
01:49 < bkero> How do you plan to generator or insulate the heat?
01:49 < bkero> in space you wouldn't have an insulation problem, but in other atmospheres temperature normalization could be troublesome--hence the insulation
01:50 < bkero> *generate
01:52 < CryptoQuick> the plan is to build plenty of solar collectors surrounding furnaces that will perform the ISRU process, then use the metals as an energy storage medium; thermite.
01:53 < CryptoQuick> then, on things that use thermite, use of evaporative radiators might be a good idea. they produce steam and can dissipate more energy than radiators that must keep their fluids all in one phase.
01:54 < bkero> each square meter receives about 1kw of sun power, how do you plan on concentrating that? :P
01:54 < CryptoQuick> 5kW a day, yes, I know, solar power is pretty sad. :)
01:54 < CryptoQuick> but yes, concentrators, mirrors.
01:54 < bkero> That'll increase your effectiveness by 400%
01:55 < CryptoQuick> hm?
01:55 < bkero> a joke :P
01:55 < bkero> what do you plan as a crucible for this?
01:55 < bkero> nowadays to store energy we just use big flywheels
01:57 < CryptoQuick> well, thermite is good for storing heat energy, which the stirling engines for the machines will run on. they will also use coiled torsion springs to store mechanical energy created by the stirling engine, which is best operated at a constant rate.
01:57 < bkero> iirc thermite also needs a large catalyst for ignition
01:58 < bkero> in the case of long term storage with the possibility of losing access to volatile ignition mediums
01:59 < CryptoQuick> many metals are reduced using the process described in the Lackner-Wendt "Auxon" paper, including magnesium
01:59 < CryptoQuick> http://i.imgur.com/tUZar.png
02:01 < bkero> so you plan on using the product of the thermite reduction to reignite it?
02:01 < bkero> that could work
02:01 < CryptoQuick> :)
02:02 < bkero> just means you have to have a separate magnesium deposit for the express purpose of reignition
02:02 < bkero> diluting that shit with something like lead wouldn't be good
02:03 < CryptoQuick> heh... good thing lead isn't a primary component of average crustal rock :)
02:03 < bkero> are too-stable minerals or metals?
02:03 < CryptoQuick> huh?
02:04 < CryptoQuick> alright, well, it's now 3am, and I've got a busy day today. I should be heading to sleep soon.
02:05 < bkero> l8z
02:05 < bkero> tomorrow I get to do what I do every day
02:05 < CryptoQuick> nice talking. :)
02:05 < CryptoQuick> oh?
02:05 < bkero> sleep in until 11 and bitch at my lusers
02:05 < CryptoQuick> heh
02:05 < bkero> full time employment ftw
02:05 < CryptoQuick> ;D
02:05 < bkero> USE MY SOFTWARE
02:05 < CryptoQuick> OK!
02:05 < bkero> firefox ;)
02:05 < CryptoQuick> oh
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02:06 < CryptoQuick> why run Firefox 4 when you can run Firefox 7?
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02:10 < bkero> sure
02:11 < CryptoQuick> huh... I switched to Chrome pretty much the day it came out. however, Firefox has gotten really compelling in terms of UI. I also like that TreeStyleTabs extension, it's always worked very well.
02:12 < CryptoQuick> man ... this is a line of thinking worth pursuing some other day. :)
02:14 < CryptoQuick> bynow
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02:45 < kanzure> bkero: kurzweil isn't a visionary
02:45 < kanzure> kurzweil is my bitch
02:50 < kanzure> what a weird email.. something about "the venus project" and "zeitgeist project" divorcing http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/06/exi-zeitgeist-movement-and-venus.html
02:51 < kanzure> they both suck anyway
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03:09 < foucist> ahh.. the joys of politics amongst various transhumanist endeavors
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03:24 < foucist> so.. we need to crack the DIY UAV problem!
03:24 < foucist> enable everyone to build their own UAVs cheaply and easily so they can deliver things! and such!
03:57 < foucist> http://www.openpilot.org/
03:57 < foucist> already exists.. yay!
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07:35 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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10:01 < kanzure> Dear Bryan:  Thank you for contacting us with your interest via our website. I would love to speak to you about your institution and possible interest in the Neuro system of ExAblate.
10:01 < kanzure> Presently the Neuro system is under FDA IDE only and not approved for open clinical use. Once we have spoken I can best determine who to have contact you and how to proceed.
10:01 < kanzure> Please let me know when would be a good time to talk
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10:01 < kanzure> hmm i need to be careful
10:04 < foucist> kanzure: what is it?
10:05 < foucist> EEG related?
10:05 < foucist> i could google but i'm heading to bed now heh
10:05 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Transcranial%20pulsed%20ultrasound%20stimulates%20intact%20brain%20circuits%20-%202010.pdf
10:05 < foucist> ah cool
10:05 < kanzure> or this: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/A%20hemisphere%20array%20for%20non-invasive%20ultrasound%20brain%20therapy%20and%20surgery.pdf
10:05 < kanzure> pg. 3710 has a picture
10:06 < kanzure> basically it's an ultrasound-emitting cap for brain stimulation (1-2mm resolution)
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10:35 < kanzure> i wonder if that latin american body mod community event would be willing to install a glass window into my skull
10:36 < kanzure> i wouldn't mind if they put the skin back over it; removing skin in the future is trivial in comparison
10:36 < kanzure> they did mention something about trepanations.. so what's the harm in plugging up the hole with something
10:38 < mayko> i have always been curious about trepanation >.>
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11:08 < bkero> drill hole in head
11:08 < bkero> release extra pressurez
11:08 < kanzure> and ghosts
11:08 < kanzure> gotta release those too
11:08 < bkero> and thetans
11:08 < bkero> omgthetans
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11:12 < bkero> mayko: I've never seen you in here before
11:12 < bkero> you must go to school with kanzure
11:12 < kanzure> i don't go to school
11:13 < bkero> get snatched up, or find something better to do?
11:13 < kanzure> found something better to do
11:13 < bkero> always a good option
11:14 < bkero> can you talk about it?
11:14 < kanzure> bkero: http://hoppersdk.com/ i guess
11:15 < bkero> android phone, ios interface, what
11:15 < kanzure> yes
11:15 < kanzure> i'm also working on versions for phonegap, html5 apps, and js
11:16 < kanzure> on the lower end of my todo list is windows phone 7 and blackberry, but it's not as important right this moment
11:16 < bkero> ah
11:17 < bkero> making a common api for device-specific mobile web interfaces?
11:17 < kanzure> no
11:17 < kanzure> mechanical turk for mobile app testing
11:20 < mayko> yeah i loiter here sometimes :)
11:26 < bkero> I loiter on irc
11:27 < bkero> most of freenode actually
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11:46 < kanzure> what's up with people pasting code directly into emails to diybio?
11:46 < kanzure> whatever happened to attachments or hosting files in source control or on servers or something
11:48 < bkero> too hard
11:49 < bkero> not immediate and inline enough
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12:16 < kanzure> heh multifocal ultrasound: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Towards%20multifocal%20ultrasonic%20neural%20stimulation%20-%20pattern%20generation%20algorithms%20-%20Hertzberg%20-%20J.%20Neural%20Eng.%20-%202010.pdf
12:16 < kanzure> see figure 3E on page 6
12:20 < kanzure> jose delgado / electrodes in a bull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGAr2OkVqE
12:24 < kanzure> hey they have videos of the russian dog head removal experiments now
12:24 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk
12:28 < kanzure> more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDqh-r8TQgs
12:38 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
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12:53 < kanzure> yoni hertzberg has been hired as algorithms developer at insightec
12:53 < kanzure> see http://il.linkedin.com/pub/yoni-hertzberg/0/a62/4ab
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13:07 < kanzure> Method and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex (Sony Electronics, Inc.)
13:08 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=kXgQAAAAEBAJ
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13:35 < kanzure> hmm some journals are using this to watermark their pdfs: http://www.appligent.com/stamppdf-batch
13:35 < kanzure> heh "StampPDF Batch starts at $1,995.00 (USD) for a single server with up to 4 cores"
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13:41 < kanzure> any hints on removing the watermark? i thought there was a pdfdump utility that would let me see all of the objects in a pdf file, but apparently not
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13:46 < kanzure> heh i did it manually
13:46 < kanzure> original: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/104.pdf
13:46 < kanzure> fixed: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/105.pdf
13:46 < kanzure> if you look at the diff you'll see what i did (it's not all binary data so it's sorta obvious)
13:47 < augur> holy wall of text batman
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13:57 < kanzure> also, for removing a first page with IP address info (like from IOP):
13:57 < kanzure> pdftk input.pdf cat 2-end output.pdf
13:59 < kanzure> 104/105.pdf have been moved into http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/manual-watermark-removal-example.zip (but i'll probably delete this too)
13:59 < mayko> http://arkfab.org/?p=289 too many awesome humans are become exhumans :(
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14:11 < augur> kanzure: whats skdb
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14:12 < kanzure> augur: http://gnusha.org/skdb/
14:12 < augur> aha!
14:12 < kanzure> augur: it's a collection of tools for standardizing open hardware files/projects
14:18 < kanzure> gulp "In one patient, heating of brain tissue in the sonication path resulted in a secondary focus outside the target causing neurological deficit. New software modifications were developed to address this problem."
14:24 < kanzure> 'transmeatal cochlear laser stimulation, transcranial micropolarization, transcranial electrostimulation, cranial electric stimulation and stimulation with weak electromagnetic fields)'
14:24 < kanzure> well the last one makes sense (TMS)
14:25 < kanzure> and transcranial electrostimulation must be tDCS?
14:59 < kanzure> (05:23:51 PM) eight pennies: I see Stephen (Coles) has finally discovered Thymosin β 4.. we are doomed :(
14:59 < kanzure> nyeh?
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15:32 < kanzure> someone bothered to provide a pcb diagram and a parts list for a portable/pocket-sized ultrasound driver
15:32 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Design%20and%20characterization%20of%20a%20high-power%20ultrasound%20driver%20with%20ultralow-output%20impedance%20-%202009.pdf
15:32 < kanzure> "the driver and PCB can be built for about $100"
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15:55 < JayDugger> Good afternoon, everyone.
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16:58 < kanzure> some bioinformatics thingy using java web start
16:58 < kanzure> http://genplay.einstein.yu.edu/wiki/index.php/Web_Start
16:58 < kanzure> i wasn't aware that java web start could handle 24 GB files..
17:02 < kanzure> mendeley is trying another prize/competition
17:02 < kanzure> http://dev.mendeley.com/api-binary-battle/
17:02 < kanzure> last time i checked they were asking me to compete for some $100-$1k prize or something and i said no..
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17:08 < kanzure> "Does the application increase collaboration and/or transparency? We’ll look at how much your application contributes to making science more open."
17:09 < kanzure> what does that have to do with openness
17:09 < kanzure> what is this crap
17:14 < kanzure> well, it might be fun to hook up that data to the google patent search api or fda device regulation database
17:14 < kanzure> http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Databases/default.htm
17:16 < kanzure> or clinicaltrials.gov
17:17 < kanzure> then you could track research that has led to clinical trials of different phases
17:17 < kanzure> for instance, you take the authors of the paper, do a lookup in the patent database, then find the company names, which should be listed with the clinical trials or for fda device registration
17:17 < kanzure> then do some fancy google chart api nonsense..
17:19 < JayDugger> You make it sound like easy money.
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21:23 < AJollyLife> kanzure: it would depend on how the watermarks were inserted
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21:38 < kanzure> AJollyLife: in this case they are 'pdf objects'
21:38 < kanzure> i manually went in and deleted the object streams from the list for each page, and they didn't render any more so i assume i did something correct.
21:40 < AJollyLife> kanzure: yep, thats how id do it :)
21:41 < kanzure> AJollyLife: so how would i script this shit?
21:43 < AJollyLife> kanzure: mmm, id prob use pdftk to deflate, then find the streams, then regex and delete them
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21:55 < kanzure> AJollyLife: i've been using pdftk, but i haven't figured out 'deflation'
21:55 < kanzure> what option is that?
21:55 < kanzure> hmm: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/scotus-forces-att-to-share-lines-needed-for-interconnection.ars
21:56 < AJollyLife> uncompress
21:58 < kanzure> aha.
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22:49 < kanzure> more stuff dumped: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
22:49 < kanzure> the ieee papers are good.. or the ones with the word 'skull' in the title
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23:45 < augur> kanzure: do you know of any books or papers on self organizing structures?
23:46 < augur> especially molecular-scale?
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