--- Log opened Fri Jun 17 00:00:07 2011 00:55 < augur> kanzure: i sometimes feel like im doing stuff a monkey could do :( 00:55 < augur> mostly its because my field lacks any real input from computational methods 00:58 < augur> omg taco bell job applications to graded papers 00:58 < augur> i wish 00:58 < augur> god i wish i could do that 01:38 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-88-98.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:14 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:58 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe13dd00-52.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:59 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:21 < fenn> man i love this weird chinese animated news show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcnlLXUh8E&feature=channel_video_title 03:26 < fenn> facebooks un-anonymous! http://www.youtube.com/user/NMAWorldEdition#p/u/21/BCCD6bJRh3o 03:33 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe13dd00-52.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:42 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:45 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:52 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56 < augur> fenn: how come fuckin animated chinese news knows the difference between anonymous and lulzsec but the western media doesnt 04:57 < fenn> because they started on the net and not traditional media? 04:58 < fenn> i wonder if these are the guys who do animations for the daily show 04:58 < Fiohnel> it's been a long time since I last watch these 04:58 < Fiohnel> I remember the one with Steve Jobs 05:03 < augur> fenn: probably 05:03 < augur> theyre also very up to date 05:03 < augur> the CIA takedown was like 05:03 < augur> what, yesterday? 05:03 < augur> the day before? 05:03 < augur> and they animated a bit about that already 05:03 < augur> snappy 05:03 < QuantumG> Memory Implant Gives Rats Sharper Recollection - http://nyti.ms/ji0Dmh 05:05 < fenn> but i want it now! waaaah 05:05 < fenn> why do the rats get all the cool toys 05:05 < augur> grr 05:05 < augur> i keep seenig things out of the corner of my eye 05:05 < augur> this is what i get for not sleeping hardly at all 05:06 < Fiohnel> I wonder if there's name for such phenomenon 05:06 < Fiohnel> seeing things out of the corner of one's eye 05:06 < QuantumG> fenn: it sounds like Peter F. Hamilton's brain backup crystals to me :) 05:06 < Fiohnel> if you try to focus on it, it disappears 05:06 < fenn> "hallucinations" 05:06 < Fiohnel> not very specific 05:07 < QuantumG> there is a term for it.. can't remember it right now.. I need an implant. 05:08 < Fiohnel> probably something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floater 05:08 < Fiohnel> ? 05:08 < fenn> oh, an optical thing? 05:08 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:08 < Fiohnel> yeah 05:09 < Fiohnel> for example there's a spot, scab or wound on the right side of your eyeball that makes you see things in the corner 05:09 < Fiohnel> but if you rotate your eyeballs to right 05:09 < Fiohnel> ofc it disappears 05:09 < Fiohnel> from your vision 05:09 < fenn> i used to ask my eye doctor about all this stuff, they didn't know anything. now it's all over wikipedia and you can't miss it 05:10 < Fiohnel> doctors only know about emergencies 05:10 < Fiohnel> these kind of stuffs are just trivias 05:11 < fenn> yeah, unless you have diabetes and don't know it 05:12 < Fiohnel> that'd require lab test, something outside wikipedia scope 05:12 < Fiohnel> or any self-help 05:12 < fenn> i think doctors should know stuff. call me crazy 05:13 < Fiohnel> well doctors are human and they have limited memory 05:13 < Fiohnel> better put just the life-threatening stuff there instead of trivias 05:13 < QuantumG> 3 years and 3 months I've known I have diabetes. And since then I've 1) given up sugar and 2) not had any abnormal blood sugar measurements. 05:13 < Fiohnel> I see 05:13 < Fiohnel> I got positive on Hepatitis B virus too 05:14 < QuantumG> where does the time go 05:14 < Fiohnel> but haven't go to doctors for consultation 05:16 < fenn> " in our small sample of 37 self-trackers, the mean narcissism scores were almost at the center of the range of mean scores in a set of five large surveys used to validate the NPI-16 against a longer and well-validated measure of narcissism, the NPI-40." 05:16 < fenn> there you have it folks 05:17 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:17 < fenn> 'Many people mean “narcissism” more loosely; more or less as a synonym for “annoying.” If narcissism means annoying, then this test doesn’t resolve the issue.' 05:17 < fenn> now i'm wondering if there's a standardized psychiatric test for "annoying" 05:30 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:51 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- lumos is now known as walnutRULESET 06:19 -!- walnutRULESET is now known as BITCHannel 06:41 -!- BITCHannel is now known as lumos 07:08 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe13dd00-52.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:20 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2edd00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:21 -!- klord [~klord@99-67-239-104.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.221] has quit [] 07:31 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:39 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.221] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 < Fiohnel> cloning git directory 07:53 < Fiohnel> oops wrong window 08:02 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:04 < foucist> Fiohnel: seemed like the right window to me 08:12 < Fiohnel> heh 08:47 < kanzure> javascript mp3 decoder http://jsmad.org/ 08:52 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2edd00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:53 < kanzure> delicious, delicious data 08:53 < kanzure> ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/data/ 08:58 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:01 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2edd00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- Zala [~Zala@76.91.53.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:49 < Zala> does anyone remember the URL for that online neuron simulator that learns from the input of all users visiting the site 09:49 < Zala> (language based one) 09:49 -!- lumos [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 < lumos> kanzure, 09:50 < kanzure> Zala: eliza? 09:50 < Zala> no not Eliza 09:50 < kanzure> Zala: but eliza doesn't have much to do with neurons 09:50 < Zala> Eliza is bad 09:50 < kanzure> agreed 09:50 < kanzure> lumos: what? 09:50 < Zala> I didn't mention Eliza or say it had something to do with neurons 09:51 < Zala> the site I asked about 09:51 < kanzure> yes i know, you said you wanted something that had something to do with neurons, and i pointed out that my suggestion didn't fit that criteria 09:51 < Zala> is shared for all users, learns from all 09:51 < lumos> hi Zala my name is lumos 09:51 < Zala> ok kanzure you have a very logical thought process are you related towards Eliza 09:51 -!- Zala is now known as Zola 09:52 -!- lumos is now known as Eliza 09:52 < Zola> Kanzure are you using a cybernetic AI enhancement implant or similar? 09:52 < Zola> for logic 09:52 < kanzure> yeah 09:52 -!- Eliza is now known as Guest70630 09:52 < Zola> Kanzure why make jokes? 09:52 < kanzure> no joke, implant 09:53 < Guest70630> kanzure, are you serious 09:53 < Zola> Show proof 09:53 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/neuro/ 09:53 < Utopiah> on jokes http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12451 09:54 < Guest70630> do you have a cube 09:54 -!- Guest70630 is now known as sat0shi 09:58 < kanzure> just fyi i'm moving /docs/neuro to diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants 09:58 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/ <-- much better 09:58 -!- sat0shi [~lumos@2.97.172.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03 < Zola> i cant find the site for the shared neural network 10:09 < Utopiah> http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/news-as-cyberpunk/invasion-of-the-body-hackers/ 10:42 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:44 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_dimensioning_and_tolerancing#GD.26T_standards 10:58 < ybit> i might cry 12:49 < foucist> hmm 12:49 < foucist> i have trouble following what y'all are going on about 12:49 < foucist> it's like half the convo in this chan is happening elsewhere 12:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-11-212.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-11-212.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05 -!- Zala [~Zala@76.91.53.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- Zola [~Zala@76.91.53.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:07 < ybit> foucist: what's there to follow? 13:16 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:27 -!- Zala [~Zala@76.91.53.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:29 -!- lumos [~lumos@027ee226.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 -!- jmil [~jmil@204.153.78.195] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 < kanzure> foucist: feel free to point out shit 13:59 < kanzure> foucist: or we can all just admit irc is genuinely confusing 13:59 < foucist> heh 14:03 < kanzure> another schizophrenic has emailed me today: 14:03 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/lolwhat.txt 14:03 < kanzure> i don't know why you people keep contacting me 14:03 < kanzure> ""I am maybe the only really telepathic person in the world. You should not think that I could be Schizophrenic. Crazy but over 80% of all telepathi 14:03 < kanzure> c experiences are the same like for Schizophrenia." 14:03 < kanzure> ""I can exchange voice, video, smell, people can move small move muscles on my body from distance and much more and all messages from me are transm 14:04 < kanzure> itted to big number of people so I am a Mental Radio." 14:04 < kanzure> this one is gold: "What I find most fascinating my telepathy is nearly identical to what Schizophrenics experience." 14:04 < Utopiah> flash of lucidity 14:05 < kanzure> if you say so 14:16 < archels> kanzure: Is this mailing list spam or directed at you personally? 14:16 < kanzure> me personally 14:17 < archels> bizarre 14:18 < archels> Eric Burton's also at it again on [singularity] 14:18 < archels> and the guy behind www.transalchemy.com just got committed 14:18 < archels> The internet is filled with lunatics. 14:19 < kanzure> wasn't that SeH? 14:19 < kanzure> ah no, Carlos A. Mejia 14:21 < archels> the latter, yes 14:27 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-88-98.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 14:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:49 -!- Jaakko [~Jaakko@host86-131-177-233.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe2edd00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:45 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 < fenn> foucist: half of the conversation is in the past, half in the future 16:19 < fenn> ybit: GDT is hot shit. leave it to ISO to make something simple confusing 16:20 < fenn> i recommend a book instead; manufacturing hasnt quite caught up to the 21st century it seems 16:20 < kanzure> i recommend hanging out at a machine shop 16:20 < kanzure> preferably a military contract shop or one with guys at least 70 years old 16:22 < fenn> Their first Mistake was not taking me seriously 16:22 < fenn> Their second Mistake was not taking me seriously 16:22 < fenn> Their third Mistake was taking me too seriously 16:22 < fenn> Patience insects patience! You will "All" be enslaved soon enough! ... 16:27 < fenn> i think if my name were carlos mejia i'd change it to something absurdly memorable 16:32 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:33 < fenn> "facebook is like a jail. you sit around, waste time, have a profile picture, write on walls, and get poked by guys you don't really know." 16:44 < fenn> interesting, now the conspiracy theories involve people i actually know http://www.transalchemy.com/view/sidebar/2056229366985860457/2011/06/bilderberg-attendees.html 16:48 -!- lumos [~lumos@027ee226.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:48 < kanzure> huh lolcad's visualizer.py doesn't have nurbs support 16:48 < kanzure> i forgot to move that code into there :( 16:49 < kanzure> oh that's right.. i was messing around with wxpython in there 16:52 < kanzure> my life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmdl4VltD4 16:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55 -!- lumos [~lumos@027ee226.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:56 < fenn> my life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8ae1AL48E 16:57 < kanzure> your life is flcl? 16:57 < kanzure> that must suck 17:02 -!- lumos [~lumos@027ee226.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05 < fenn> no, just in high school 17:15 -!- alystair [alystair@24-246-14-18.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 < QuantumG> would it fucking kill youtube to remember my volume settings? 17:24 < kanzure> yes 17:25 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has bothered to make an alternative flash client for youtube 17:25 < kanzure> there's the html5 frontend but that doesn't count 17:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 < jrayhawk> cclive works fine 17:42 -!- bgroff [~bgroff@gateway/tor-sasl/groffer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- bgroff [~bgroff@gateway/tor-sasl/groffer] has quit [Client Quit] 17:42 -!- groffer [~groffer@gateway/tor-sasl/groffer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 < kanzure> hi groffer 17:43 -!- groffer [~groffer@gateway/tor-sasl/groffer] has quit [Client Quit] 17:54 < fenn> " if computer sabotage shut down as much commerce as would a naval blockade, it could be considered an act of war that justifies retaliation, Mr. Lewis said. Gauges would include “death, damage, destruction or a high level of disruption” he said." 17:55 < fenn> didn't these guys ever watch "war games"? 17:55 < QuantumG> obligatory: shall we play a game? 17:55 < fenn> decision makers should not be taking testosterone supplements 17:55 < fenn> s/decision/policy/ 17:58 < QuantumG> in any case, they're trying to allude to privateering 17:58 < fenn> privateering? 18:00 < QuantumG> pivateer: an armed ship owned and officered by private individuals holding a government commission and authorized for use in warpiracy 18:01 < QuantumG> war/piracy 18:01 < fenn> so, like, russian hackers working for switzerland or something? 18:01 < fenn> i dont get what you're trying to say 18:02 < fenn> who would the US military attack then? 18:02 < QuantumG> or just hackers who are given the nod by their government to attack foreign assets 18:03 < fenn> huh. artificial pancreas makes a lot of sense, why did it take until 2011? 18:03 < QuantumG> dunno if you're aware of the cyberwar meme.. the US military doesn't attack the Chinese military.. there's a level of deniability involved. 18:03 < fenn> but they're talking about exactly that 18:04 < fenn> "you shut down our power grid, maybe we send a missile down your smoke stack" 18:05 < QuantumG> because everyone understands the game.. some people are calling for dropping the facade. Others are still denying there's even anything going on. 18:06 < fenn> i havent seen any evidence there's anything going on (but i havent looked) 18:06 < fenn> aside from stuxnet 18:06 < fenn> i dont really see the motive for china shutting down US infrastructure 18:06 < QuantumG> I'm personally of the opinion that military units are preparing for cyberwar but no country actually engaging in it.. not even with privateers. Although I'm sure there's plenty of hacking groups that are trying to position themselves as potential privateers. 18:07 < fenn> i'm all in favor of cyberwar as a substitute for physical war, but it seems, i dunno, immature 18:07 < kanzure> fenn: how do you explain the google hacks? 18:08 < fenn> china has a legitimate beef with google 18:08 < kanzure> hacking u.s. companies isn't just as bad? 18:08 < kanzure> what if they bombed google's complexes 18:08 < fenn> first of all, google should be able to take care of their own shit 18:08 < kanzure> of course 18:09 < fenn> second, denying someone access to google isn't "an act of war" 18:09 < kanzure> haha that's not what they did 18:09 < kanzure> i mean the hacking that broke into google corp 18:09 < fenn> i dont know what you're referring to specifically, link? 18:10 < kanzure> http://www.businessinsider.com/did-the-chinese-government-hack-google-2010-1 18:10 < kanzure> grr bad link 18:10 < kanzure> better: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora/ 18:11 < QuantumG> a better analogy than bombing.. if they had sent spies to get jobs at Google to obtain the information they wanted.. would that be an act of war? 18:12 < kanzure> QuantumG: can you help me find a good link for fenn 18:12 < kanzure> the one with the massive ie6 exploits used against google 18:12 < fenn> i'm sorry but reading someone's email is not an act of war 18:13 < QuantumG> it was the procurement of source code that Google really cared about. 18:13 < kanzure> "Once a victim's system was compromised, a backdoor connection that masqueraded as an SSL connection made connections to command and control servers running in Illinois, Texas, and Taiwan, including machines that were running under stolen Rackspace customer accounts." 18:13 < kanzure> "The victim's machine then began exploring the protected corporate intranet that it was a part of, searching for other vulnerable systems as well as sources of intellectual property, specifically the contents of source code repositories." 18:13 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora 18:13 < kanzure> i didn't know it had a name.. haven't looked at this in a while 18:14 < QuantumG> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/google-censorship-china/ some follow on at the time. 18:14 * fenn yawns 18:14 < QuantumG> more links at the bottom, etc. 18:14 < fenn> please show me an act of cyber warfare 18:15 < kanzure> i'm just countering your claim that it was something about google being blocked 18:15 < QuantumG> recently a bunch of russian spies were found in the US, held, sent home. 18:15 < QuantumG> I'd call the attack on Google as more like "cyber espionage" - if you insist prepending cyber on everything 18:15 < kanzure> installing rootkits and backdoors isn't cyberwar? 18:16 < QuantumG> espionage is rarely considered "an act of war" 18:16 < kanzure> cybercybering 18:16 * kanzure puts on his robe and wizard hat 18:16 < kanzure> *cyberhat 18:17 < QuantumG> killing people is usually the whole act of war thing.. but hey, economic warfare.. I guess. 18:17 < kanzure> naval blockades? 18:18 < QuantumG> generally involves threats to kill people if they fail to comply yeah 18:18 < fenn> it just sounds like they are scrambling around for a new justification for spending 500 gigadollars a year 18:20 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-39-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 18:51 < fenn> can anyone tell me why we aren't doing invasive neuroscience on terminal cancer patients? 19:22 -!- jmil [~jmil@204.153.78.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:31 -!- jmil [~jmil@204.153.78.195] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 -!- jmil [~jmil@204.153.78.195] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35 < kanzure> fenn what sort of preference do you have for CAD programs when you resize them 19:35 < kanzure> should it scale the scene and keep the target in the center of the window as best a possible? 19:35 < kanzure> or should it occlude the view and only change how much of the scene is being displayed (but still with zoom in/out functions) 19:36 < kanzure> *as best as possible 19:44 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@027cc41a.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:24 -!- jmil [~jmil@209-252-228-210.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:35 -!- jmil [~jmil@209-252-228-210.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 20:36 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 < fenn> zoom should be done with the mouse wheel, centered in on where the zoom is occurring; zoom should by symmetric, same behavior for zooming in as out 20:57 < kanzure> sure but what about the window resizingz 20:57 < fenn> s/where the zoom is occurring/where the mouse pointer is/ 20:57 < fenn> oh, i see what you mean 20:57 < fenn> occlude the view tends to be less herky jerky 20:58 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 < kanzure> okie dokie 21:09 < fenn> i don't think the scene content should change at all when resizing the window 21:10 < kanzure> lots of opengl examples (for some reason) resize the entire scene 21:10 < kanzure> :( 21:10 < fenn> it look fine if your framerate is high 21:11 < kanzure> no i mean sometimes opengl programs resize the content of the window so if it's 50x50 suddenly your sphere fits inside of that window 21:21 < kanzure> dunno what this is yet http://upverter.com/ 21:21 < kanzure> claims to be 'collaborative hardware design' 21:23 < kanzure> their video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXcvNsPpcB4 21:24 < fenn> is it a talking head? 21:24 < kanzure> with screenshots.. 21:24 < kanzure> screencast 21:24 < kanzure> um, so it seems to be an in-your-browser schematic editor 21:24 < kanzure> and their web ui is clearly a rip off from github/bitbucket, but i see no indication that actual repositories are created 21:24 < kanzure> http://upverter.com/kanzure/ 21:25 < fenn> (bitbucket is a ripoff of github, fwiw) 21:25 < kanzure> yeah yeah 21:25 < kanzure> geeze why do they have so many people just for this 21:25 < kanzure> http://upverter.com/theteam/ 21:25 < kanzure> this is a one or two man job at most.. 21:30 < kanzure> fenn did you weazle yourself into ephemerisle 2011 or was this one of the non-legit years? 21:33 < alystair> upverter looks exactly like github? :| 21:39 < kanzure> nchaimov: have you met jrayhawk in person yet 21:39 < kanzure> alystair: is that a statement or a question? 21:40 < alystair> statement meant to confuse people 21:40 < kanzure> it seems quite similar to me 21:40 < alystair> because I'm bothersome 21:40 < alystair> Nokia sending me an E6 to try out for 2 weeks \o/ hooray hardware 21:41 < kanzure> gonna bust it up? 21:44 < kanzure> oh god one of the links on HN was to bgoertzel's blog 21:44 < kanzure> he's the last person i'd consider an expert on this topic ("is software improving exponentially") 21:48 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54 < alystair> software is becoming more bloated exponentially to keep computers all slow :D 22:00 < nsh_> computers aren't getting faster, just more dense 22:04 < kanzure> computers aren't getting faster, people are just getting slower! 22:05 < alystair> nsh_: people too, are getting more dense 22:06 < fenn> i didn't go to not-ephemerisle this year 22:07 < kanzure> i'm a little confused by the naming 22:08 < fenn> it's natural 22:08 < fenn> i think they should just change the name to "drowning man" 22:08 < kanzure> at the end everyone drowns and dies? 22:11 < fenn> software development started slowing down significantly in the late 1980's 22:11 < fenn> since smalltalk it's been pretty much more of the same 22:37 < fenn> 22:46 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@027cc41a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:47 -!- Jaakko [~Jaakko@host86-131-177-233.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:19 < kanzure> "There is also a booming trade in trafficking of women for prostitution out of Vietnam and a growing practice of child marriage in China, where wealthier families secure wives for their sons early by effectively buying young girls for their sons." 23:19 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@027cc41a.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 < fenn> did you not know this? 23:34 < fenn> trevor says as a white male it's impossible to walk down the street in vietnam without being accosted by prostitutes every block 23:36 < fenn> also standard practice in india and most of the arab world 23:36 < fenn> er, the arranged marriages that is 23:37 < foucist> there's a bit of a shortage of women in china 23:38 < foucist> so i guess it makes sense for families to secure women for their sons 23:38 < jrayhawk> bride price predates gender inequality. 23:38 < jrayhawk> err, gender imbalance 23:39 < foucist> sure, but the sentence above said "growing practice " 23:39 < jrayhawk> It's not growing. What's growing is the Chinese professional middle class that views it as anachronistic. 23:39 < Fiohnel> http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 23:39 < foucist> jrayhawk: dude, i'm going by the fricking sentence.. 23:40 < jrayhawk> It might be growing in terms of raw numbers, but not by percentage of marriages. 23:40 < foucist> and the only reason it would be growing now is the gender imbalance 23:40 < foucist> but since the 1 child policy was abolished 23:40 < foucist> it shouldn't grow for long 23:41 < Fiohnel> it will slow down, but slowly, since the unmarried older generation will just predate on the new generation females 23:43 < Fiohnel> http://www.economist.com/node/15606229 23:43 < foucist> s/predate/prey/ 23:43 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@027cc41a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:44 < Fiohnel> prey on could work as well 23:47 < foucist> Fiohnel: predate has a diff meaning (i.e. dinosaurs predate mankind) 23:47 < foucist> and that's not prey, thats pre-date 23:48 < Fiohnel> well okay my dictionary is wrong 23:48 < foucist> hrm 23:57 -!- PixelScum [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Jun 18 00:00:07 2011