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00:32 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: please don't link to that
00:32 < kanzure> the last guy who did got banned
00:32 < kanzure> (particularly flamoot)
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00:33 < AlonzoTG> huh? What?
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08:18 < thesnark> hey kanzure
08:18 < thesnark> happy birthday
08:18 < thesnark> (ha ha)
08:19 < thesnark> I'm disappointed you gave up on your quest
08:19 < thesnark> Your quest to have an eternal birthday, that is
08:19 < thesnark> I suppose you could write a script to change your fb birthday every 24 hours
08:19 < thesnark> hmm
08:19 < thesnark> maybe I'll do that
08:23 < thesnark> damn, facebook api doesn't support changing user info ={
08:23 < thesnark> I guess I'm using curl
08:23 < thesnark> muahaha
08:27 < thesnark> damn they're blocking curl
08:28 < thesnark> gonna have to forge browser string
08:30 < thesnark> yay, --user-agent
08:32 < thesnark> wat
08:32 < thesnark> still blocked it
08:48 < uniqanomaly> http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/5588/trollt.png THIS ONE
08:48 < uniqanomaly> erm, wrong #
08:48 < uniqanomaly> whatever
08:48 < uniqanomaly> funny troll anyway
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10:27 < kanzure> thesnark: they have a csrf token that you need to scrape before you submit the data
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12:35 < kanzure> hrm what was that most cited paper of all time? it was cited something like 10-12k times
12:35 < kanzure> i think it was a bioinformatics paper?
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12:36 < kanzure> "he original paper by Altschul, et al.[1] was the most highly cited paper published in the 1990s.[5"
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12:47 < kanzure> wow i was way off
12:47 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2671390
12:47 < kanzure> "The number of citations of this JBC article is closer to 300K, so it has a safe order of magnitude more citations than the BLAST paper."
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13:18 < kanzure> nchaimov: just fyi, your password is in the mtgox leak
13:19 < kanzure> other people we know in the leak:
13:19 < kanzure> thomas mccabe
13:19 < kanzure> stephen reed
13:19 < kanzure> bkero: you too
13:19 < kanzure> elmom: and you
13:20 < kanzure> atrus6 (from om)
13:21 < kanzure> wware (from nanorex)
13:21 < kanzure> ian daniher
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13:22 < kanzure> atrus6 was member 691, that's sorta cool
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13:31 < Utopiah> (Measuring the Evolution of the Drivers of Technological Innovation in the Patent Record http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/artl_a_00022 ALife May 2011)
13:32 < nsh> hmm
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17:55 < uniqanomaly> http://i.imgur.com/RqPhx.png
17:59 < kanzure> what is it?
18:26 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/diykeyboard
18:26 < ybit> forget if this has already been mentioned
18:26 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/diykeyboard/browse_thread/thread/a76709eccf351f8b
18:27 < ybit> just thought it was interesting that people are developing hardware and releasing it on github regardless of some community to unite all the open hardware communities
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18:43 < kanzure> ybit: github is fine if you know what you're doing
18:43 < kanzure> in fact, it gets in the way if you know what you're doing (sometimes)
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20:08 < fenn> wtf this graph violates causality http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/20501_large_BitCoin_Transactions_Gox_2.jpg
20:17 < kanzure> fenn: transactions were rolled back
20:18 < kanzure> but yeah, since the passwords have been discovered then i suspect someone has access to more
20:18 < kanzure> *to more capabilities on the server
20:19 < fenn> i'm still not clear on what actually happenned
20:20 < fenn> how did they set the price to $0.01?
20:20 < kanzure> you should probably ask in #bitcoin
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20:49 < epitron> hahah
20:49 < epitron> is this lulzsec?
20:49 < epitron> i love that bitcoin is being owned
20:49 < epitron> it's so overdue
20:49 < bkero> owned?
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20:49 < bkero> What about bitcon is being owned?
20:49 < epitron> well, it's a P2P network
20:50 < epitron> with an unencrypted wallet
20:50 < epitron> and lots of people running windows
20:50 < epitron> so when you connect to the network, you're given 150 IP's to hack
20:50 < bkero> My wallet is encrypted ;)
20:50 < QuantumG> and the wallet doesn't even have password protection
20:50 < bkero> Sort of
20:50  * epitron hacks bkero
20:50 < bkero> So it's not bitcoin that's hacked
20:50 < bkero> It's just your shitty setup
20:50 < epitron> yes, i'm sorry i was not precise
20:50 < kanzure> bkero: your mtgox account was leaked
20:51 < QuantumG> in this case it was actually the website people use to do trades that was hacked
20:51 < epitron> the bitcoins were hacked
20:51 < bkero> kanzure: I know.  Nothing bad came of it.
20:51 < kanzure> k just making sure you know
20:51 < epitron> QuantumG: hahaha
20:51 < epitron> that's funny too
20:51 < bkero> You're the fifth person to tell me.  I knew last night when the db dump went online.
20:51 < bkero> There are plenty of other bitcoin exchanges
20:52 < epitron> bkero: btw your mtgox account was hacked. also we need cover sheets on the TPS reports now
20:52 < QuantumG> this is all so familiar.. does anyone remember when Bruce Schneider was running around equating encryption to security?  And eventually he came around to recognizing that encryption is just a tiny part of the whole security equation
20:52 < bkero> I didn't have any money or coins in mtgox, sent ACH transfers a week ago
20:52 < epitron> Schneierer?
20:52 < epitron> that seems like a pretty rookie mistake
20:52 < epitron> when did he say that?
20:52 < QuantumG> yah
20:53 < QuantumG> a decade ago
20:53 < epitron> hmmm
20:53 < epitron> was his crime that he was pushing too hard in one direction?
20:53 < epitron> or that he actually claimed that the only thing you need to worry about is encryption?
20:53 < epitron> because he's not an idiot :)
20:53 < QuantumG> 2003 was when he basically discovered that cryptography isn't a magic sauce that makes you secure
20:54 < epitron> interesting
20:54 < epitron> how did he get popular btw?
20:54 < epitron> i never followed him back in the day
20:54 < QuantumG> cause he's awesome I suppose
20:54 < epitron> he has an awesome beard :D
20:55 < epitron> BEARDS ARE IMPORTANT FOR SECURITY
20:55 < QuantumG> true
20:55 < kanzure> something about books?
20:55  * epitron STARES SERIOUSLY
20:55 < bkero> You're welcome to come hack me.  :)  50.53.98.213        "" : 149.55000000,
20:55 < QuantumG> Applied Cryptography was probably the first book that explained "snakeoil crytography"
20:55 < epitron> kanzure: i was just wondering if he's one of those doods who marketed himself into popularity, and then became an expert...
20:55 < epitron> or if he was an expert and then became popular
20:56 < kanzure> i'm not sure how one would declare himself a security expert
20:56 < QuantumG> nah.. he was a boring academic before '94 and then was instantly popular
20:56 < kanzure> i know a thing or two but does that make me an expert?
20:56 < epitron> kanzure: you just repeat what other people say
20:56 < epitron> and you show up to conferences
20:56 < epitron> and you put your face everywhere
20:56 < epitron> and you start a website
20:56 < kanzure> if i wrote the specs for https, x.509, ssh, gpg, pgp, does that make me an expert?
20:56 < epitron> and you blog
20:56 < QuantumG> become a "thought leader"
20:56 < epitron> yes
20:57 < epitron> becoming a thought leader is something you can buy now
20:57 < kanzure> twitter bots?
20:57 < epitron> influence is automated now
20:57 < epitron> there's lots of tools :D
20:57 < kanzure> yep
20:58 < epitron> someone called wildfire media found me on github and offered me a job
20:58 < epitron> i spit up a little in my mouth when i read their site
20:58 < kanzure> yeah there's lots of those
20:58 < epitron> and sadly, a lot of people in #ruby-lang work there :(
20:58 < kanzure> "social automation" suites
20:58 < epitron> UGH
20:58 < epitron> corruption :(
20:58 < bkero> kanzure: wrote the specs?  No, you'd need to have written the implementations too ;)
20:58 < kanzure> have you seen the automatic astroturfers?
20:59 < epitron> astroturfing? whassat?
20:59 < kanzure> Astroturfing is a form of advocacy often in support of a political or corporate agenda designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement
20:59 < epitron> or do you mean real life astroturf? :)
20:59 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
20:59 < QuantumG> faking a grassroots movement
20:59 < epitron> ah
20:59 < epitron> the tea party
20:59 < epitron> :D
20:59 < kanzure> basically, a few thousand reddit/digg/facebook accounts
20:59 < epitron> hahah that's a great name for it
20:59 < epitron> sock puppets!
20:59 < kanzure> but automated
20:59 < bkero> Astroturfing = providing bogus reviews of your own products
21:00 < kanzure> i'm a little surprised when i see people talking about manual astroturfing
21:00 < kanzure> that would be way too time consuming imho
21:00 < bkero> kanzure: happens all the time, look at restaurants on google maps
21:00 < epitron> coming up with catchy names for things is such a great way to destroy them
21:00 < epitron> (for evil things)
21:01 < QuantumG> I think bitcoin is being pushed by an astroturf program.. but it's a very smart one.
21:01 < kanzure> nah bitcion is very likely a manual astroturfing initiative
21:01 < epitron> i think bitcoin is a horrible economic model
21:01 < kanzure> *bitcoin
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21:01 < epitron> it's like a fiat currency, except the money is created by wasting electricity
21:02 < epitron> so it's less efficient
21:02 < epitron> obviously it doesn't inflate like crazy
21:02 < QuantumG> yes, it's manual.. but it's got a strategy behind it.. the demonization is being deliberately pursued to get "rebel adoption"
21:02 < epitron> but i think there are better solutions
21:05 < kanzure> http://fundingtrends.org/
21:05 < QuantumG> religions should try this.  Put together some fake "Mothers Against Sunday School" organizations and go protest outside churches on Sundays.  Make sure all the kids hear about it.  Sunday school attendance will shoot up.
21:05 < kanzure> http://fundingtrends.org/?keywords=eeg%2C+nootropics
21:07 < kanzure> that was via Alexander Zhavoronkov <alex@pnano.com>
21:07 < kanzure> "stem cells" is at $2.4T
21:08 < kanzure> with a "total funding" of $13.6T
21:08 < kanzure> cancer is about 5x http://fundingtrends.org/?keywords=stem+cells%2C+cancer%2C+immune
21:09 < epitron> whoa, this is a cool site
21:09 < kanzure> $70T for cancer?
21:09 < epitron> where does it get its data from?
21:09 < kanzure> epitron: http://fundingtrends.org/sources.html
21:10 < kanzure> you can call the author: + 1 626 593 7957
21:10 < kanzure> or skype: zhavoronkov
21:11 < epitron> haha
21:12 < epitron> awesome
21:13 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/mydesk.jpg
21:13 < kanzure> i submitted it over here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2672837
21:13 < kanzure> upvote dat shitz
21:16 < kanzure> hm i was registered on news.ycombinator.com '1234 days ago'
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23:51 < QuantumG> "The reported plasma focus operates at the lowest voltage among all reported plasma foci so far. Moreover the cost of capacitor bank used for plasma focus is nearly 20 U.S. dollars making it very cheap."
23:51 < QuantumG> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5539755
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