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05:22 < kanzure> hi all
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05:29 < archels_> hello kanzure
05:29 < archels_> I think I better go to the library to study or I'll end up just browsing gizmodo all day long.
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09:11 < fenn> "Marvlix was developed by means of Elixir Industry's proprietary technology, which applies nanotechnology to a bio-enhanced extraction process. The technology utilizes electro-potential method to extract selected molecules preferentially, on the basis of predefined molecular profiles, and then bio-activates the compounds extracted. The process completely eliminates heavy metals, contaminants and toxic compounds commonly found in traditional herbal produc
09:11 < fenn> wow sign me up!!!~
09:12 < fenn> oh the formatting didnt carry over, but "nanotechnology" was both bold and italic
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09:40 < Utopiah> http://www.technologyreview.com/ontopic/themeasuredlife/ is finally up
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09:51 < kanzure> fenn: "bio-activates" wheee
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13:03 < Utopiah> are there studies on the type of light received before going to bed (e.g. natural sunset, artificial light but reflected on paper, computer screen light, etc) and their impact on sleep?
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14:43 < kanzure> $50k/paper? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2679928
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16:59 < kanzure> hrm.. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.kyotoap.android.sleepcyclealarmlite
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16:59 < kanzure> didn't the iphone version use an armband or something?
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18:57 < fenn> Utopiah: yes, the conclusion is that blue light disproportionately affects phase shift, presumably because increased brightness in other colors will cause the pupil to contract and limit the amount of blue light activating retinal ganglion cells
18:58 < fenn> artificial light such as monitors and fluorescent bulbs contains much more blue than the sky near sunset
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20:17 < kanzure> anselm on "making psychedelic E.coli in your gut" http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/1b1cd26e52080779
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20:34 < fenn> what he doesn't mention is that the yeast pathway is much cleaner than ergot, which produces lots of similar ergoloids that aren't LSA but are similar enough to complicate the synthesis process
20:41 < genehacker> growing ergot? now why would you want to do that?
20:42 < genehacker> ergot is nasty stuff
20:42 < kanzure> who are you
20:42 < genehacker> I am back
20:42 < kanzure> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH GENE
20:43 < genehacker> he is now back
20:46 < genehacker> any what's been happening lately?
20:46 < fenn> i love that the guy's name is wintermute
20:47 < fenn> http://img.ly/images/1213115/full
20:48 < kanzure> pam silver also sounds fake
20:51 < genehacker> NSF funded too, that's pretty suspect
20:51 < kanzure> genehacker: i've been thinking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
20:51 < genehacker> ultrasonic brain stimulation?
20:51 < kanzure> yes
20:53 < genehacker> hmmm... wonder if you could pick up an ultrasonograph with a phased array and do something like that
20:54 < kanzure> pulsed ultrasound actually works
20:54 < kanzure> just a standard collimator and some skin gel shit
20:54 < kanzure> collimeter?
20:54 < kanzure> collimator, i think
20:54 < kanzure> i mean, pulsed ultrasound can work with a phased array as well, but i mean this type:
20:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEP6iWLsvQ
20:55 < genehacker> collimator they use them in laser to focus the light into beam
20:56 < genehacker> are they stimulating the muscle control portions of that rat's brain?
20:58 < genehacker> that's all with sound?
20:58 < kanzure> yes they are messing with the motor cortex
20:58 < genehacker> is it invasive?
20:58 < kanzure> well they made some skull windows in a few but yes it's noninvasive
20:58 < genehacker> that's pretty neat
20:58 < kanzure> all of the files are there
20:58 < kanzure> 2mm resolution :)
20:59 < kanzure> the papers are better but here's a relevant patent that is being filed at WIPO:
20:59 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/patents/Devices%20and%20methods%20for%20modulating%20brain%20activity%20-%20Tyler%20-%202011.pdf
21:00 < genehacker> do they know the mechanism behind ultransonic stimulation?
21:01 < kanzure> cellular membrane deformation
21:01 < kanzure> cavitation microbubbles
21:01 < genehacker> hopefully it doesn't involve cavitation bubbles
21:01 < kanzure> heh
21:01 < kanzure> well why not
21:01 < kanzure> cell membranes get disrupted all the time and close up pretty fast
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21:03 < genehacker> seems like that would be damaging to tissue
21:03 < kanzure> yeah they also used it in some clinical trials to melt brain tumors
21:03 < kanzure> (at higher power)
21:06 < genehacker> from patent "may be used to provide ultrasound to a reward pathway to reinforce behaviors that are beneficial for military/combat/tactical personnel"
21:07 < kanzure> yeah here are my notes on interesting bits from the patent:
21:07 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/notes.txt
21:07 < genehacker> now that's sounds like that could produce some ethical problems
21:08 < kanzure> it's ok we'll just stimulate the ethical regions of your brain too
21:09 < kanzure> fenn: oh, have you considered that you might have a tumor?
21:16 < genehacker> kanzure didn't you have a paper collection of easy to replicate electronics?
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21:27 < kanzure> probably and i've probably also forgotten it
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22:15 < kanzure> haha diybio scareware
22:15 < kanzure> http://www.esecurityplanet.com/trends/article.php/3936241/The-Nightmare-Future-of-Hacking.htm
22:16 < kanzure> yeah.. because you've got nothing to fear about the 1k biology labs per university
22:16 < kanzure> yawn
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22:31 < fenn> kanzure: yes, and no i won't be your brain-melting guinea pig
22:31 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure your roommates could hook you up with an mri/fmri scan
22:32 < fenn> if so it would have been there for 15 years
22:32 < kanzure> sure
22:45 < kanzure> fenn: how did you decide who to send that email to
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23:27 < fenn> kanzure: not very well
23:27 < fenn> megan was like "hey ben, send me some interesting stuff"
23:28 < fenn> and then i spent an hour on it and figured it should be looked at by more than one person
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