--- Log opened Wed Jun 22 00:00:07 2011 00:28 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-73.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:31 -!- nchaimov [~nchaimov@c-24-20-202-138.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 < kanzure> why is anyone excited about amf (the stl-in-xml spec)? 00:32 < kanzure> why doesn't hod make an actually useful cad format instead of a cam format 00:33 -!- nchaimov [~nchaimov@c-24-20-202-138.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:23 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-150.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-150.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 01:40 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-150.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- alystair [alystair@24-246-14-18.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:02 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 < kanzure> fenn: http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=w1ntermute 04:34 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:44 < fenn> wintermute was the meddling AI in neuromancer 04:44 < fenn> heh his most recent comment is about Idoru 04:45 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:56 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:03 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:22 < fenn> http://coilhouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bambi-1.jpg 06:25 < archels> cuuuuute :3 06:58 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 07:26 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- panax [panax@131.247.13.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@seas592.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@seas592.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:26 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- Jaakko2 [~Jaakko@host86-131-177-233.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05 -!- Anvilgames [Snowyowl@c-219-131.christs.cam.ac.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 < kanzure> hi Anvilgames 09:10 < Anvilgames> Hi. 09:10 < Anvilgames> How are you? 09:11 < kanzure> i'm not sure i haven't checked 09:11 < Anvilgames> You're not one for social protocol, then? 09:11 < Anvilgames> Fair enough. 09:12 < kanzure> uh when it suits me i guess 09:12 < kanzure> what's up? 09:12 < Anvilgames> Nothing much. 09:12 < kanzure> what brings you these ways? 09:12 < Anvilgames> I just finished binging on Dresden Codak and wanted more transhumanism in my day. 09:13 < Anvilgames> and the guys in #agi were kind enough to point me to this channel 09:14 < kanzure> what type of transhumanism? the fake kind or the real kind 09:14 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/lordphoton] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 < kanzure> hello lord photon 09:15 < Anvilgames> You've lost me completely. 09:15 < Anvilgames> Either one would do, most likely. 09:16 < kanzure> yeah i don't know what to tell you except check the /topic 09:16 -!- CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/lordphoton] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:16 < Anvilgames> which link would you recommend? 09:17 < kanzure> are you familiar with diybio? 09:17 < Anvilgames> Not at all. 09:17 < kanzure> i guess you could look at http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ/News 09:18 < Anvilgames> sounds interesting 09:19 < Anvilgames> I've heard of biohacking before, never made the connection to transhumanism. 09:19 < kanzure> how sad 09:19 < Anvilgames> I know. I live a depraved life :) 09:19 < kanzure> no it's transhumanism that is sad 09:19 < Anvilgames> ?? 09:20 < kanzure> are you the ray-kurzweil-sit-around-watching-the-stock-market type? 09:20 < Anvilgames> Okay, as the newbie here I will shut up and let you explain. 09:20 < Anvilgames> No. 09:20 < Anvilgames> I don't have any stock options. 09:20 < kanzure> sit-around-watching-agi-stuff? 09:20 < kanzure> that last one probably isn't as eloquent as it could be 09:21 < Anvilgames> I'm the sit-around-reading-science-fiction-and-wishing-it-were-real type 09:21 < kanzure> what do you do, btw? 09:21 < Anvilgames> Currently I'm a maths student 09:22 < kanzure> grad student? 09:22 < Anvilgames> no, and I don't think I will be 09:23 < Anvilgames> so, what's this channel about? 09:23 < Anvilgames> that should really have been my first question 09:25 < Anvilgames> hello? 09:25 < kanzure> biohacking, transhumanism, open source hardware, other stuff 09:25 < Anvilgames> Sounds good. 09:25 < Anvilgames> What did you mean by "fake transhumanism"? 09:26 < kanzure> social media 09:26 < Anvilgames> What about them? 09:26 < kanzure> you are very hard to talk with 09:27 < Anvilgames> I'll take that as a compliment. 09:27 < archels> kanzure: Have you ever chatted with tav? 09:27 < kanzure> archels: a handful of times 09:27 < archels> He might disagree on that last statement. ;) 09:27 < kanzure> he claims i haven't? 09:27 < kanzure> well that's disappointing 09:28 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/meetlog/plain/meetlog.txt <-- evidence 09:28 < archels> no? 09:28 < kanzure> oh i guess he's not listed there 09:28 * Anvilgames examines Exhibit A 09:28 < kanzure> well, he's been listed since then 09:28 < kanzure> sometimes i forget to add in conversations :x 09:28 < archels> He might disagree about the merit of social networking. 09:28 < kanzure> oh, i don't care 09:29 < kanzure> there are merits but i don't think you can pretend that ray kurzweil is actually working on transhuman tech 09:29 < kanzure> or that hplusmagazine is building things behind all of the blog spam 09:29 < archels> Agreed, but getting the word out probably means more research dollars for you and me. 09:29 < kanzure> networking and 'social media' are different concepts (though closely related yes..) 09:30 < kanzure> not really.. hplusmagazine has only been able to bring in money because it scammed someone to pay $15k for 200 clicks/year 09:31 < archels> heh, I wasn't necessarily talking about ad revenue. That's peanuts. 09:32 < archels> Having some converts in the NSF would be good though. 09:32 < archels> (wishful thinkin, I know) 09:32 < kanzure> waiting for grant money isn't that great of a strategy 09:38 < archels> Well, if you have an actual marketable product, then it's a completely different playing field of course. 09:38 < archels> But I think the both of us are doing relatively fundamental research, so that's a no go. 09:59 < kanzure> what fundamental research am i doing? 10:02 < Anvilgames> Actually, what do you do kanzure? 10:08 < kanzure> lots of programming 10:09 -!- Anvilgames [Snowyowl@c-219-131.christs.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Anvilgames] 10:09 < kanzure> oh well 10:14 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-150.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 10:22 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-22-216.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:31 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 -!- posray [~phantomci@adpx128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 < posray> kanzure, can i have the list of papers again 11:44 < kanzure> which list? 11:46 < posray> kanzure, the list of papers u linked me to last time 11:46 < posray> kanzure, zola 11:47 < kanzure> i'm looking at the logs and i only see 2011-06-17 where i was talking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/ 11:47 < kanzure> is that the one? 11:47 < posray> kanzure, thx 11:48 -!- posray [~phantomci@adpx128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 11:54 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 -!- panax [panax@131.247.13.196] has quit [] 12:17 -!- lumos [~phantomci@adpx128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 < lumos> hi, what is wrong with ram based neural networks 12:17 < lumos> and cnn''s 12:19 < archels> hello 12:19 < archels> What do you mean by RAM based neural networks? 12:32 < lumos> ar ch 12:33 < lumos> archels, 12:33 < lumos> i will explain 12:33 < mjr> instead of, say, gnu or lamb based neural networks 12:33 < lumos> you could have 12:34 < lumos> an 8 by 8 grid of cells 12:34 < lumos> on or off 12:34 < lumos> and generate each possible arrangement you would get 2^64 patterns 12:34 < lumos> say we were doing a handwriting recognition system 12:34 < lumos> and thnnnnnnnnnnn 12:34 < lumos> program for each kind of pattern what number it is or if it is no number 12:35 < lumos> but thats just unfeasabe coz u would need kuje 170 million 1gb rams i calculated 12:35 < lumos> so an alternative is tooooo 12:35 < lumos> take the 8 by 8 grid and split it into 4 12:36 < lumos> generate for each of these smaller grids every possible arrangement 12:36 < lumos> thats 2^4 manageable 12:36 < lumos> 4 * 2^4 12:36 < lumos> and then dont forget you must do this 10 times for each of the numbers 12:37 < lumos> for each of the squares now assign it a 1 or 0 it is either tht number or it isnt 12:37 < lumos> then you have a summing junction 12:37 < lumos> which sums the 1s and 0's and gives you a say this is 25% a 6 12:38 < lumos> archels, do you understand 12:39 < lumos> archels, do you know what a cnn is 12:39 < lumos> mjr, what is a gnu or lamb based nn 12:40 < lumos> mjr, o i get it 12:49 < kanzure> mjr: that's discrimination 13:13 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 < lumos> kanzure, make me chanop 13:18 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-227.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:27 -!- el_kevino [~el_kevino@tor.office.avidlifemedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:47 -!- lumos [~phantomci@adpx128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:11 -!- PixelScum [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14 -!- Drakkar [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:32 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:01 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-227.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 15:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-22-216.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 16:30 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 < kanzure> another berger paper: 16:48 < kanzure> A cortical neural prosthesis for restoring and enhancing memory 16:48 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/A%20cortical%20neural%20prosthesis%20for%20restoring%20and%20enhancing%20memory%20-%20Berger%20-%202011.pdf 17:02 < kanzure> since when did humans get cryptochrome in their eyes? 17:02 < kanzure> Human cryptochrome exhibits light-dependent magnetosensitivity 17:02 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v2/n6/full/ncomms1364.html 17:35 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 18:27 -!- jmil [~jmil@pool-173-59-78-69.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 < genehacker> human magnetosensitivity is real 19:54 < genehacker> some guy who stuck his head into the magnet at the national high magnetic field laboratory felt a weird taste in his mouth when he did so 19:55 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:05 < kanzure> well that varifies it then! 20:06 < fenn> an interesting side effect of my supplement extravaganza: a recent scar on my finger is itching constantly 20:12 < kanzure> lolcad visualizer has been updated 20:12 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lolcad 20:12 < kanzure> zoom in/out with the mousewheel 20:12 < kanzure> right mouse button + movement for rotational control 20:12 < kanzure> window resizing also works 20:12 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13 < kanzure> i'll rewrite everything and scrap the git repository.. the commit messages are useless 20:13 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 < kanzure> and the code is awful while i figure things out 20:14 < kanzure> dependencies: pyopengl, numpy, numeric, wxpython 20:15 < fenn> i get a stream of 'invalid operation' GLErrors 20:16 < fenn> is there a super basic gl test? 20:16 < kanzure> glxgears 20:16 < kanzure> can you paste the errors 20:17 < fenn> jesus christ all the pastebins i used to use are gone 20:18 < kanzure> try pastie.org or pastebin.ca 20:18 < kanzure> also sudo apt-get install pastebinit 20:19 < fenn> http://paste.lisp.org/display/122858 20:19 < kanzure> are there errors if you scroll up? 20:22 < fenn> no, height: 480 is the first line 20:22 < fenn> i get one of those tracebacks each time i move the mouse in the window 20:23 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24 < fenn> width: 480 even 20:24 < kanzure> god damn google 20:24 < kanzure> query: +glCallList "invalid operation" opengl 20:24 < kanzure> results: fucking nanoengineer.git commit messages 20:24 < fenn> try scroogle 20:25 < fenn> hm i see it too 20:26 < kanzure> well if you want to do some detective work you could try deleting some lines in InitGL 20:26 < kanzure> keep the one that makes the cube (with glVertex3f calls) 20:27 < kanzure> and remove the other call lists 20:27 < kanzure> then remove the calls to glCallList in OnDraw except for the cube 20:27 < kanzure> (if that doesn't work the next step would be to move glBegin/glEnd from the cube's calllist into OnDraw and see if that works) 20:28 < fenn> there's a lot of extraneous crap in InitGL 20:28 < kanzure> my bet is that this error is because of the nurbs (confirmed if the cube's call list works) 20:28 < kanzure> if it's because of the use of call lists themselves, then the other suggestion will work 20:28 < kanzure> yes like i said this is mostly scratchpad notes.. 20:28 < kanzure> thsi repository is shot to hell :p 20:30 < fenn> cool 20:31 < kanzure> test if it's the use of call lists: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lolcad/visualizer-fenn-debug001.py 20:31 < fenn> only the first glCallList(1) is causing problems 20:31 < kanzure> what about the other nurbs one? 20:32 < fenn> where? 20:32 < fenn> what does glCallList do anyway? 20:32 < kanzure> #3 20:32 < kanzure> it's a way of storing an object or model instead of re-creating it each time you want to draw it 20:33 < fenn> so glNewList(1, GL_COMPILE) is executed by glCallList(1) 20:33 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 < kanzure> it's opengl's way of doing references 20:35 < fenn> commenting out line 196 gluNurbsSurface(... fixes it 20:36 < kanzure> but.. but.. 20:36 < kanzure> gluNurbsCurve works for you but not gluNurbsSurface.. bizarre 20:36 < kanzure> i hope this is driver related 20:37 < kanzure> sudo pip install PyOpenGL-Demo 20:38 < kanzure> once you grab it, go into your /usr/lib/pythonwhatever/site-packages/PyOpenGL-Demo/ folder and find the molehill.py demo and see if that runs 20:38 < kanzure> (it uses gluNurbsSurface) 20:43 < fenn> i cant figure out where pip put it 20:43 < kanzure> python -c'import math; print math.__path__' 20:43 < fenn> cd /usr/lib ; find -iname '*gl*' doesn't show any demos 20:44 < kanzure> oops i meant __file__ 20:45 < fenn> math isn't in a file like other modules anyway 20:45 < fenn> /usr/lib/python2.6/xml/__init__.pyc 20:45 < kanzure> true, but it should show you /usr/lib/python2.7/something/math 20:45 < kanzure> you need /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/PyOpenGL-Demo/ 20:46 < fenn> there is no site-packages 20:47 < fenn> harumph 20:47 < fenn> /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyOpenGL-Demo 20:48 < kanzure> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/PyOpenGL-Demo/PyOpenGL-Demo-3.0.1b1.tar.gz#md5=d4edda5a8bac139dde2e2700fd7e1d5e 20:48 < kanzure> ok find . | grep molehill 20:48 < fenn> molehill throws the same error 20:48 < kanzure> hooray it's not my fault 20:48 < kanzure> ok time to figure out your computer's specs and drivers.. 20:50 < fenn> there ought to be some command that just dumps all the relevant info 20:50 < kanzure> glxinfo 20:50 < fenn> that doesnt even say the driver name 20:50 < kanzure> my glxinfo: http://pastebin.com/e2DdEkqw 20:51 < fenn> oh here we go 20:51 < fenn> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT x86/MMX/SSE2 20:51 < kanzure> huh i'm not using mesa? 20:51 < kanzure> mesa has the same gluNurbsSurface implementation as the sgi proof 20:52 < fenn> my glxinfo http://pastie.org/2109437 20:54 < kanzure> out of curiosity.. what modules do you have in your xorg.conf 20:54 < fenn> it's autogenerated 20:54 < kanzure> i use: dbe, record, extmod, glx, dri2 (obviously glx is the one that matters) 20:54 < fenn> i can show you Xorg.0.log if you want 20:54 < kanzure> i wouldn't know what to do with it 20:55 < kanzure> maybe ##opengl will be able to help us? jules seems cranky at the moment 20:55 < kanzure> 20:55:14 omg/jblake: stop using nurbs 20:56 < fenn> extmod, dbe, glx, record, dri, dri2, intel_drv, vesa_drv, fbdev_drv, fbdevhw, evdev 20:58 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lolcad/visualizer-fenn-debug002.py 20:59 < kanzure> this time there are no call lists, only the nurbs calls 20:59 < fenn> is there a C demo? i expect ##opengl will get pissy and start focusing on the python library 20:59 < kanzure> try debug002 21:00 < fenn> debug002 works, is very slow 21:00 < fenn> especially at high zoom 21:00 < kanzure> it's calling gluNurbsSurface in OnDraw directly 21:00 < kanzure> THIS IS WHY YOU USE CALL LISTS 21:00 < kanzure> but for some reason that's broken? 21:00 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@118.142.17.238] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 < fenn> yeah but it's faster when the nurbs surface is small, so i assume it's the actual rendering part that is slow 21:01 < kanzure> gluNurbsSurface is doing some cpu-side tessellation actually.. 21:01 < fenn> oh 21:02 < fenn> so if you have a calllist that starts small and gets big you will see polygons? 21:02 < kanzure> what 21:02 < kanzure> oh 21:02 < kanzure> uh.. yes 21:02 < kanzure> you also set the sampling 21:02 < kanzure> see GLU_SAMPLING_TOLERANCE in the file 21:03 -!- jmil [~jmil@pool-173-59-78-69.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 21:03 < kanzure> i spent four shameful hours trying to figure out why GLU_SAMPLING_TOLERANCE=50 was making octograms 21:03 < kanzure> and then i jumped for joy when i figured it out and proceeded to spend the next 2 hours fixing the same exact problem elsewhere 21:04 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/lolcad.png 21:05 < kanzure> that looks all wrong 21:05 < fenn> yeah i figured 21:05 < fenn> the green stuff 21:05 < kanzure> it should be more like: 21:05 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2011-06-22-cylinder-before.png 21:05 < kanzure> circular cylinder 21:05 < kanzure> red circle enclosed in a white box 21:05 < fenn> why is the cylinder red? 21:06 < kanzure> because i moved code around in debug002 quickly without thinking 21:06 < kanzure> glColorf applies to everything written after it 21:07 < kanzure> try decreasing the sampling tolerance from 1 to 0.1 and see if that smooths out your cylinder 21:07 < fenn> so that's supposed to be a circle inside the square? 21:07 < fenn> because it always looked sorta lumpy 21:07 < kanzure> sampling again.. 21:07 < kanzure> the nurbs evaluator is being fennicky 21:09 < fenn> nope same thing 21:09 < kanzure> what was your change 21:10 < fenn> changed both lines that mentioned sampling to 0.1 21:10 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/lolcad_sampling_0.1.png 21:10 < fenn> it looks more like a fat cube with the ends cut off 21:11 < kanzure> the truth: http://heybryan.org/shots/2011-06-23-lolcad.png 21:14 < fenn> molehill.c works 21:16 < fenn> so problem is in pyopengl 21:17 < kanzure> jules suggests i try buffer objects 21:17 < kanzure> instead of display lists (or what i was calling 'call lists') 21:17 < kanzure> s/suggests/demands/ 21:18 < kanzure> in your case you have other issues too 21:18 < kanzure> i'm p. sure my control points and knots for UnitCircle in nurbs.py is correct 21:19 < fenn> omfg sourceforge is so terrible 21:27 < fenn> okay what info should i include in my bug report? 21:35 < kanzure> minimal example 21:35 < kanzure> point to molehill 21:36 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-06-23.log while you're at it.. 21:36 < kanzure> who are you complaining to? 21:39 < fenn> pyopengl 21:39 < fenn> well apparently SF lost my account, bastards 21:40 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@ras.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:40 < fenn> they reset their passwords 'just in case' but you can only send confirmation for one account per email address, and both accounts were on the same email address 21:40 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 < kanzure> if you complain over twitter they might listen 21:41 < kanzure> but otherwise good luck with that 21:41 < kanzure> (to sf) 21:45 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09 < kanzure> ok i guess i should sleep 22:09 < kanzure> fenn if you want to play around with buffer objects that would be cool 22:10 < kanzure> or attempt to figure out why your circles are not circles 22:10 < fenn> uh, i will wait and see what the pyopengl people say 22:12 < kanzure> are they activew 22:12 < kanzure> to be fair i will probably not use display lists since jules suggests otherwise 22:12 < kanzure> he is usually right about these things since all his friends are X developers or something 22:33 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:33 < kanzure> welcome back superkuh 22:33 < kanzure> has it only been 2 weeks? 22:34 < superkuh> Hello. 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