--- Log opened Tue Jun 28 00:00:07 2011 01:32 <@kanzure> O___O http://blogs.adobe.com/acrolaw/2011/06/code-obfuscation-for-patent-and-court-filings/ 01:41 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:39 -!- Guest89588 [~Jaakko@host86-131-177-233.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:34 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- Pabreetzio [~Pabreetzi@cpe-174-096-012-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-223-142.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:25 < fenn> the fluorophore idea is good 05:26 < fenn> the polymerase also must ignore the template strand 05:29 < fenn> also i think you'd get poly-NTP's 05:29 < fenn> er, repeats of each base 05:38 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- thesnark [48f13d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.241.61.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:58 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.28] has quit [] 06:16 -!- lumos [~lumos@95.49.8.112] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- Pabreetzio [~Pabreetzi@adsl-74-235-171-103.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:48 -!- lumos [~lumos@95.49.8.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48 -!- PixelScum [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- BaldimerBrandybo [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:18 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:29 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: *] 07:53 -!- streety_ [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- streety_ is now known as streety 07:54 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 07:58 -!- streety [streety@li139-74.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- lumos [~lumos@afai112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- lumos [~lumos@afai112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:07 <@kanzure> beeeep 09:21 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 < Pabreetzio> beep? 09:22 <@kanzure> yes 09:22 < Pabreetzio> My NO sensor beeps 5 times as it counts down to turning off. Loudly 09:23 < Pabreetzio> NO2 sensor rather 09:24 < Pabreetzio> I like that it beeps when concentrations are above 1ppm, but does it really need to beep so much just to turn the thing off? 09:25 < Pabreetzio> so are we any closer to having an apt get for manufacturing, kanzure? 09:26 <@kanzure> no nobody has read the spec 09:46 < thesnark> Pabreetzio You have a sensor that measures...? 09:52 < thesnark> derp derp 09:52 < thesnark> I can read 09:52 < thesnark> herp derp derp 09:53 <@kanzure> i have met you sir and i can attest to the fact that you most certainly cannot, read 10:00 <@kanzure> "Someone once said of Feynman that his lectures were beautifully clear, and that those who listened gained real insight and understanding. Until they had to use it. Then they realised that they didn't really understand it at all." 10:05 < thesnark> That is exactly what those are like 10:05 < thesnark> Awesome to listen to 10:05 < thesnark> Impossible to apply 10:06 < thesnark> Man, maybe I can't read 10:14 -!- BaldimerBrandybo [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:14 <@kanzure> thesnark: i didn't find that to be the case for me, 10:14 <@kanzure> but it's interesting if that's a shared sentiment among people. 10:17 -!- PixelScum [~PixelScum@ip98-177-175-88.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:18 < thesnark> Impossible is a strong way to put it 10:35 -!- thesnark [48f13d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.241.61.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:49 -!- strages [c6740838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.116.8.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 <@kanzure> probably spam http://thepowerofopen.org/ 11:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 <@kanzure> hi eudoxia 11:17 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:25 -!- Stranger [4084be1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.132.190.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 < Stranger> Say something interesting. 12:26 <@kanzure> that's your job! 12:27 < Stranger> uh, ok. It's a better time to be a racehorse than a human if you have an achilles' tendon injury. 12:52 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- eudoxia_lisp [~eudoxia_l@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- eudoxia_lisp [~eudoxia_l@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- Pabreetzio [~Pabreetzi@adsl-74-235-171-103.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57 -!- lumos [~lumos@afeq240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:11 -!- lumos [~lumos@afds150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- Stranger [4084be1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.132.190.26] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:51 < nsh> i see we've succumbed to hierarchical control structures :P 14:53 <@kanzure> the alex jones threat was very real 14:54 < eudoxia> oh what did he do now 14:55 <@kanzure> AlonzoTG was about to babble about him 14:55 <@kanzure> so i stepped up my game 14:59 < nsh> que? 14:59 * nsh imagines an empassioned jonesrant on diy bioterrorists 15:00 <@kanzure> gah can't you guys come up with something better to talk abuot 15:00 <@kanzure> about 15:01 < nsh> most likely 15:01 < nsh> i'm just curious 15:02 < nsh> what's your latest interest, kanz? 15:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 15:29 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:33 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-223-142.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 15:39 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- Pabreetzio [Pabreetzio@66.187.166.20] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- lumos [~lumos@afds150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:54 -!- lumos [~lumos@afds150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- thesnark [~michael@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 <@kanzure> hi thesnark 16:12 < thesnark> hey kanzure 16:12 < thesnark> I'm starting a hackerspace 16:13 < thesnark> We have like 11 members 16:13 < thesnark> I dunno though it's panning out pretty well 16:13 < thesnark> so far at least 16:13 < thesnark> We don't run the planet yet 16:14 <@kanzure> i like ybit's honesty about his hackerspace 16:15 <@kanzure> 13:49 < ybit> exert from the tlabs wiki page 16:15 <@kanzure> 13:49 < ybit> might be helpful 16:15 <@kanzure> 13:51 < bkero> tlabs? 16:15 <@kanzure> 13:55 < ybit> tlabs/tweak labs, a bunch of broke local people that were interested in forming a hackerspace, then they all realized they were broke 16:15 < thesnark> ouch 16:25 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25 -!- thesnark [~michael@PAT96.wifi.utoledo.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:29 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 <@kanzure> fenn: how about screen resolution 16:43 <@kanzure> i think i have a 2000x2000 glviewport in there 16:43 <@kanzure> maybe that is beyond the bounds of something about something related to netbooking 16:46 < AlonzoTG> om 16:55 -!- Guest89588 [~Jaakko@host86-131-177-233.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:01 < AlonzoTG> u wanted to talk about Alex Jones? 17:41 -!- lumos [~lumos@afds150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08 -!- Pabreetzio [Pabreetzio@66.187.166.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:26 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:29 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:45 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:28 -!- ENKI-][ [~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31 -!- ENKI-][ [~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49 -!- thesnark [~michael@cblmdm24-53-167-49.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- thesnark [~michael@cblmdm24-53-167-49.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.28] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 < ybit> kanzure: you've been looking for watermarks on pdfs? 20:55 < ybit> using what if so.. 20:56 <@kanzure> manual inspection 20:56 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by ChanServ 20:59 < ybit> okay 21:09 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.28] has quit [] 21:11 -!- klafka [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:16 < kanzure> i'm sorry dave http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/files/2011/06/theWAREHOUSE_comic_672.jpg 21:17 < kanzure> more lame ai debate http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/06/25/towards-a-new-vision-of-the-singularity/ 21:19 * nsh just realised that "working in AI" is pretty analogous a profession to "curing cancer" 21:19 < nsh> ie, stupid 21:19 < nsh> shup and work on a tractable problem 21:19 < kanzure> CURIN' CANCZAAH 21:20 < kanzure> DAH CANZAHH IS IN DA BRAYNS 21:20 < nsh> kanzure, you should watch this if you can be bothered http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012b42j/Imagine_201112_The_Man_Who_Forgot_How_to_Read_and_Other_Stories/ 21:20 < kanzure> i do think there are tractable forms of cancer 21:20 < kanzure> for instance, benign tumors 21:20 < kanzure> benign inoperable tumors 21:20 < nsh> that was my point kanz 21:21 < kanzure> okay 21:21 < nsh> what i mean is that "curing cancer" is impossible as cancer is not a curable disease 21:21 < kanzure> i'll look at it. 21:21 < nsh> and AI is not an achievable end, for similar reasons 21:21 < nsh> but there are lots of computer learning problems we can make actual progress on 21:22 < kanzure> i do think that there are tractable general intelligence programs, like in whole brain emulation 21:22 < kanzure> 'general intelligence' oops i used the bad word 21:22 < kanzure> i mean 'tractable brain problems' 21:23 < nsh> you can certainly make something at least as general as a human brain 21:25 < nsh> but the romantic notion of 'intelligence' as a quality that computers can be imbued with is pretty poorly founded, in retrospect 21:25 < kanzure> the romanti cnotion of 'intelligence' as a quality that brains are imbued with is pretty poorly founded, in retrospect 21:25 < kanzure> *romantic notion 21:25 < kanzure> fuck 21:26 * nsh smiles 21:46 < nsh> kanzure, my point is close to Hanson's in that article 21:50 < nsh> "Extrapolation of this analogy (as well as Knappā€™s analysis of Watson on Jeopardy!) points towards a human intelligence superiority around abstraction, invention, creativity, and imagination and a computer intelligence superiority in calculation, data analysis, and information retrieval. Thus, I propose a new analogy for the two types of intelligence represented by humans and computers: 21:50 < nsh> the right and left hemispheres of the human brain." 21:50 < nsh> (where i stopped reading) 21:51 < nsh> wait, this person gets paid by Discover magazine? 21:52 * kanzure nods :( 22:06 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.200.28] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:39 < AlonzoTG> Okay, that was a somewhat enlightening exchange, apparently in some out of band communication channel, decisions have been made to look only at "tractable problems"... 22:40 < AlonzoTG> But I still don't understand the broader vision or see any interesting-to-me utility in the issues that are discussed here. 23:00 < kanzure> nsh and i only talk with each other in here 23:01 < kanzure> what is your current understanding of the broader vision --- Log closed Wed Jun 29 00:00:07 2011