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02:33 < Utopiah> nshhhhhhh: even if there are tons of money and researcher working on intractable problems and completly failing at it, if the tools or process they create to progress are useful to others they maybe it's not such a waste
02:56 < CryptoQuick> well, say what you want about Google's social networking endeavors, you gotta give 'em props for effort
02:56 < CryptoQuick> besides, Google+ looks pretty compelling
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05:06 < nshhhhhhh> Utopiah, good point
05:21 < kanzure> gah they are making an anders movie
05:21 < kanzure> http://www.transhumandoc.com/news/nieuwsitem/artikel/transhuman-premiere-great-success/
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05:38 < Utopiah> IMHO pretty fucked-up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDqIVzCRAr8
05:43 < Pabreetzio> wow. Those people must have been really bored to have created that
05:43 < Pabreetzio> either that or just really sad. Really really sad
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05:58 < kanzure> so the fbi has invited me to a workshop on diybio
05:58 < kanzure> and wants to know what i've been working on
05:58 < kanzure> so, what's the best troll presentation you can think of?
05:59 < kanzure> "Directed evolution of molecular pathogens" might be interesting
05:59 < Juul> kanzure, yeah? they were passing around a notepad to put your name for that workshop at the DIYbio congress in SF
05:59 < kanzure> yeah i figured
06:01 < Juul> "how i learned to stop worrying and love E. coli"
06:05 < kanzure> "On the release of biological agents into city water supplies"
06:05 < kanzure> i think it would be important to be subtle
06:07 < kanzure> "Directed evolution of harmful molecular agents in emulsion droplets consisting of beads of sweat on the human skin"
06:11 < Juul> "scientific workshops as a delivery mechanism for genetically engineered pathogens"
06:12 < kanzure> oh that's perfect!
06:15 < kanzure> i'll show up with a 3d printed model of the influenza virus
06:15 < Juul> great!
06:16 < Juul> use viruses as the printing material
06:16 < kanzure> "You know, I've always enjoyed the perfection of the influenza capsid. Its structure is most beautiful. And it's a very deadly virus." and then go into the presentation
06:16 < kanzure> i wonder if that's too obvious.. hrm
06:16 < Juul> hehe
06:16 < kanzure> How to be creepy 101
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06:40 < kanzure> oh god
06:40 < kanzure> michael andregg is one of those people that uses colored fonts in his email
06:40 < kanzure> these people always go to a special kind of hell..
06:42 < nshhhhhhh> yup
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07:43 < fenn> glViewport(0, 0, self.width, self.height)  <- doesnt look like 2000x2000 to me
07:43 < kanzure> fuuuu
07:44 < kanzure> scroll down to glOrtho
07:44 < kanzure> try using this line:
07:44 < kanzure> glOrtho(-10, 10, -10, 10, zNear, zFar)
07:45 < fenn> "cancer is not a curable disease" what? there are many cancers that are easily treatable with high success rate, and they don't come back
07:45 < fenn> if you mean "cancer" is poorly defined, then sure
07:45 < kanzure> the 'disease' of cancer itself has so far not been cured
07:45 < kanzure> i.e. you can't get vaccinated
07:46 < kanzure> maybe he meant that?
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07:52 < fenn> still not round
07:54 < kanzure> http://torrentfreak.com/paramount-cease-and-desist-targets-3d-printer-pirate-110628/
07:55 < kanzure> um
07:57 < kanzure> chapter 12 never really mentione dthis
07:57 < kanzure> http://glprogramming.com/red/chapter12.html
07:57 < kanzure> molehill.c looked correct?
07:57 < fenn> yes
08:00 < fenn> heh apparently SSRI's are only effective in 20% of cases of clinical depression
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08:05 < kanzure> when you changed glOrtho was it still not round in the same way it wasn't round before
08:10 < fenn> yes
08:11 < kanzure> still seems like sampling to me
08:11 < augur> kanzure: wow, its starting
08:11 < kanzure> do you remember what sampling values you tried?
08:11 < kanzure> 0.0001, 0.1, 1, 10, 100 would be good starts
08:13 < Utopiah> is it legal to put PDFs on your website only allowed to crawlers e.g. GoogleBot so that it indexes everything you've read but without risking copyright infringement notifications?
08:13 < kanzure> illegal to who
08:14 < Utopiah> publishers of the PDFs
08:15 < fenn> publishers own the copyright already
08:16 < fenn> oh it doesnt like sampling 0.01
08:16 < kanzure> slow?
08:16 < fenn> invalid value on call list 3
08:16 < fenn> err = 1281
08:17 < kanzure> these errors are awful
08:17 < kanzure> "Most likely your integrated card doesn't support non-power-of-two(NPOT) sized textures, so make the texture size power of two "
08:20 < kanzure> on the call to gluNurbsCurve does it say GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 or GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4
08:21 < fenn> haha "Anissimov must be a made up name…"
08:21 < kanzure> i greatly prefer darkvegeta26
08:21 < fenn> 4
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08:22 < fenn> the "but AI won't have any hands" argument is fucking retarded
08:23 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2011-06-29-lolcad-GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3.png
08:23 < fenn> anyone with any experience in manufacturing knows there are armies of chinese lined up ready to build literally anything the moment they get an email and an electronic money order
08:23 < kanzure> does my screenshot look like your noncircle?
08:23 < fenn> yes
08:23 < kanzure> what happens when you switch to GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3
08:24 < fenn> if i changed it to 3 it looks the same
08:24 < kanzure> uhuh
08:24 < augur> o_O
08:27 < kanzure> wait, i thought you weren't using call lists
08:28 < kanzure> can you share your current script
08:32 < fenn> it's the same as what you have on github, besides the sampling tolerance and commenting #gluNurbsSurface
08:33 < kanzure> O_____O
08:33 < kanzure> whatt
08:33 < kanzure> what happened to visualizer-debug002.py or whatever
08:33 < kanzure> second, if you have commented out gluNurbsSurface, how are you seeing /anything/ much less a deformed circle?
08:34 < fenn> yeah it only shows the circle, the square, and the cube
08:34 < kanzure> so gluNurbsSurface is called for the circle?
08:35 < fenn> no
08:36 < kanzure> what
08:36 < fenn> i commented that out
08:36 < kanzure> so both gluNurbsSurface calls are commented out
08:36 < fenn> the nurbs surface is the cylinder
08:36 < fenn> the nurbs curve is the circle
08:36 < kanzure> doh
08:36 < kanzure> so you have not commented out the gluNurbsCurve line
08:36 < Pabreetzio> oh speaking of chinese
08:37 < fenn>         gluNurbsCurve(nurb2, crv.knots, Numeric.transpose(crv.control_points), GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4)
08:37 < Pabreetzio> a guy from our hackerspace is building a piano/keyboard with an alternate layout, and to build it he needed custom pcb boards
08:37 < Pabreetzio> he got a quote and in the US it was 360 for 5
08:37 < kanzure> and in china it was $5 for 360?
08:37 < Pabreetzio> sent the schematics to china and got something like 10 for $20
08:38 < fenn> to phoenix pcb?
08:38 < Pabreetzio> yeah
08:38 < fenn> yeah they are slow, but if you are cheap that's better than nothing i guess
08:38 < fenn> i'd just make it myself unless doing large qty
08:39 < fenn> haha "the people who run this planet now already exhibit such a potent mix of stupidity and maliciousness that AGI couldn’t be much worse."
08:41 < kanzure> fenn: http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/Nurbs-0.1.zip
08:41 < kanzure> try running GLCrv.py in there
09:02 < Pabreetzio> he had done some prototypes himself, i guess it was too slow going though. had an 8th of the keyboard complete. definitely easier to get the chinese to make it
09:02 < fenn> sure if it is modular by all means mass manufacture
09:05 < fenn> kanzure: compilation notes plz
09:05 < kanzure> what?
09:06 < kanzure> it's just python
09:06 < fenn> it relies on _Bas which has some stuff in it which is complaining
09:07 < kanzure> nah just ignore that
09:07 < fenn> uh.
09:07 < kanzure> take GLCrv.py out of Nurbs-0.1/Nurbs/demos/GLCrv.py and put it in Nurbs-0.1/
09:07 < fenn> how
09:08 < kanzure> oh maybe i commented out the _Bas shit
09:08 < kanzure> one sec lemme upload
09:09 < fenn> ok got it
09:09 < fenn> looks like a backwards S
09:10 < kanzure> crap now i need to figure out if i modified GLCrv.py
09:10 < fenn> well that should be easy
09:10 < kanzure> ok it also looks like a backwards s for me
09:11 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lolcad/GLCrv.py try this version
09:11 < fenn> looks like a circle
09:12 < kanzure> this is using glOrtho(-10., 20., -10. / aspect, 20. / aspect, -25., 25.)
09:12 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/glcrv.png
09:13 < fenn> i dont see why your viewport setings would turn a circle into a square
09:13 < kanzure> huh GLCrv.py doesn't set anything for the sampling.. try commenting it out in visualizer.py
09:14 < fenn> nope
09:14 < fenn> still pointy
09:16 < kanzure> uhm
09:16 < kanzure> well.
09:17 < kanzure> maybe in visualizer.py gluNewNurbsRenderer() has to be called outside of glNewList/glEndList and before glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
09:23 < fenn> nope
09:24 < fenn> http://pastie.org/2140542
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09:24 < fenn> that's what i tried
09:25 < kanzure> works for me
09:25 < kanzure> GLCrv.py uses glut, and visualizer.py uses wxpython
09:26 < kanzure> this is the main difference i can think of
09:28 < fenn> you reproduced the error with GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3
09:28 < fenn> what does that do differently?
09:29 < kanzure> GL_MAP1_VERTEX_3 is xyz vertex coords, GL_MAP1_VERTEX_4 is xyzw
09:30 < kanzure> oh i suppose you should try GL_MAP2_VERTEX_3 and GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4
09:31 < kanzure> "The last parameter, type, is one of the two-dimensional evaluator types. Commonly, you might use GL_MAP2_VERTEX_3 for nonrational or GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4 for rational control points, respectively."
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09:32 < kanzure> ah that's right.. i used GL_MAP2_VERTEX_4 on gluNurbsSurface
09:33 < kanzure> (it won't work on gluNurbsCurve obv.)
09:35 < kanzure> i'm not sure if my reproduction of your problems is causally related
09:47 < fenn> hm. the IU alumni association is giving me shit over posting an informal dorm phone book from years ago
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10:05 < kanzure> hi Dustbin
10:06 < Dustbin> hey
10:06 < Dustbin> how are things in here
10:17 < lumos> uniqanomaly, hi
10:17 < lumos> uniqanomaly, i need to hire a maid in poland but i dont know where to ask
10:17 < lumos> uniqanomaly, can you tell me where
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10:47 < kanzure> killing patents with python
10:47 < kanzure> http://topsy.com/pycon.blip.tv/file/4879824/?allow_lang=en
10:47 < kanzure> http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2011-how-to-kill-a-patent-with-python-4897800
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12:57 < kanzure> fpga hardware project distribution/formatting
12:57 < kanzure> https://www.boldport.com/docs/fpgaproj/
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13:16 < Hplus> Huh.
13:16 < kanzure> hello Hplus
13:16 < Hplus> Helo
13:18 < Hplus> So, I just kinda jumped on through CCM's link on /sci/, what's this all about?
13:18 < kanzure> ccm?
13:18 < Hplus> apparently he's Eudoxia here?
13:19 < kanzure> well we focus on human enhancement, open source hardware, nootropics, do-it-yourself biology, neurophysiology/brains, and global world domination
13:19 < Hplus> My people. I am finally home.
13:20 < Hplus> PS. Dibs on Canada.
13:21 < kanzure> Hplus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
13:22 < Hplus> ... Fuck.
13:22 < Hplus> I really need to spend more time on Wikipedia.
13:26 < Hplus> So, is everyone else just lurking then?
13:30 < kanzure> "but diybio.org, in my opinion, is taking a pretty conservative - and hence defensible - stance w/r/t personal freedoms to do genetic engineering"
13:30 < kanzure> bleh mac should stop writing ethical codes for diybio.org in private
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14:01 < Hplus> I really need to build a reprap.
14:04 < kanzure> yep
14:06 < archels> Then what are you going to do with it?
14:06 < archels> Build a router instead.
14:07 < Dustbin> after having messed with additive and subtractive cnc I agree with archels
14:07 < kanzure> build a 7-story-tall, 5-axis cnc demolisher
14:07 < Dustbin> hah
14:08 < Hplus> I was thinking of using it to make minatures for a tabletop wargame.
14:08 < Dustbin> ok you might have the one good use for current 3d printers then
14:08 < ybit> ooh ooh, make a tabletop game like eclipse phase :D
14:08 < Hplus> Heh
14:09 < Hplus> Also it would be nice to have some experience designing stuff before we get to the "designer organs" stage.
14:10 < kanzure> we sort of already have that
14:10 < kanzure> you should just jump straight into organs
14:10 < Hplus> Sort of, yes. But not exactly.
14:10 < kanzure> well, you should anyway
14:10 < ybit> is there a name for the concave shape entrapped between three circles, e.g. the space between ford circles
14:10 < Hplus> Venn diagram?
14:11 < ybit> no
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14:12 < Hplus> But yeah, in terms of career I'm more interested in politics. You make the advancements, I'll make sure they get implemented.
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14:13 < Dustbin> ybit: when I google concave triangle it brings up the idea, but I don't see a real name for it
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14:14 < ybit> Hplus: gl
14:15 < Hplus> Thanks, that's what I generally get. It'd be nice to have a scientifically literate leader of a major country.
14:15 < ybit> go to india then :)
14:16 < Hplus> Hah. That and China.
14:16 < ybit> i dunno so much about china
14:16 < Hplus> 80% of their politicians have engineering and science degrees
14:17 < ybit> if you like pokemon, this is your channel
14:17 < Hplus> ... Ok.
14:17 < ybit> wild engineers appear all the time, kanzure collects them
14:17 < Hplus> So what's your opinion on the proper EV spread for an Engineer? 252 SP Attack or what?
14:18 < kanzure> heyyy what the heck
14:18 < kanzure> thiel is funding diybio
14:18 < kanzure> $2M
14:18 < kanzure> $50k-$250k increments
14:19 < ybit> o.O
14:20 < Hplus> Theil?
14:20 < ybit> peter theil
14:20 < kanzure> peter thiel
14:20 < kanzure> peter theil is a different person
14:20 < Hplus> Ah
14:21  * ybit fetches food and coffee
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14:54 < kanzure> my graphs are back online
14:54 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png
14:55 < kanzure> and per person as of feb 2010 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/graphs/
14:57 < Hplus> What is that, exactly?
14:57 < kanzure> Hplus: analysis of http://diyhpl.us/cgit/meetlog/plain/meetlog.txt
14:58 < archels> kanzure, I do not seem to be in your graphs. :(
14:58 < kanzure> archels: i didn't know you in 2010
14:58 < kanzure> this is an old data set, i haven't run the graph script in a year
14:59 < archels> ah, I don't recall when we first chatted, I thought it might've been that long.
14:59 < kanzure> 2010-09-13
14:59 < kanzure> these graphs are from 2010-02-xx
15:00 < archels> fair enough.
15:01 < archels> Good thing you have your logs to check these things!
15:01 < Hplus> Wow, do you keep logs of everything?
15:02 < Hplus> That's rather impressive.
15:06 < archels> Not to mention scary!
15:06 < kanzure> "creative release"
15:06 < Hplus> I keep logs of all my messenger and Skype convos, it's just more convienient some times.
15:07 < kanzure> yeah i have chat logs back to 2004.. i wish i had kept 2001-2004 :(
15:07 < Hplus> I've lost links to things I'd shared and recovered them that way before.
15:11 < kanzure> Hplus: you have other reasons to be fearful
15:11 < kanzure> http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure
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15:12 < Hplus> Sheesh. I'm lucky to break 80 WPM on a good day.
15:12 < Hplus> And I type a lot.
15:13 < Hplus> I'm just starting on a training regimen to attempt to finally gain some muscle. I got a copy of "4-hour body" online, and have been noticing some energy and health increases just from some basic changes, like eating a high-protien breakfast.
15:19 < augur> oi peeps, anyone remember the KurzweilAI.net Brain?
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15:20 < kanzure> augur: didn't we scrape that for you?
15:20 < kanzure> or did you scrape it and we did.. something
15:20 < kanzure> complain? i think we complained
15:21 < augur> haha
15:21 < augur> i scraped it, yes :p
15:21 < augur> well, sort of scraped
15:21 < augur> i just remembered i have it, so if anyones interested in browsing it (less operable now than previously): http://www.wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/
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15:22 < kanzure> hi yottabit
15:22 < yottabit> hola
15:22 < kanzure> .. ybit?
15:22 < yottabit> yar
15:22 < kanzure> i always thought it was yodabit
15:23 < yottabit> :D
15:23 < kanzure> a yoduh byte of data
15:23 < augur> mistaken about his name you were
15:23 < Hplus> Yees.
15:23 < Hplus> Judge him by his name, do you?
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15:39 < Hplus> Why are people so stupid?
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15:42 < augur> Hplus: `people'
15:42 < Hplus> Welp, when asked "Which would be wors,e a meteor impact on land or sea?"
15:42 -!- nsh [~nsh@027cc421.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
15:43 < Hplus> And the response is "Water, since meteors are mostly ice, it'd freeze a bunch of water around it and change the climate/kill many animals." and "Meteors are extremely cold; Since they come from outer space, they're almost at 0 Kelvin. That + Water = Ice. Changes the currents, kills animals, etc."
15:43 < Hplus> It makes me pray that said person is trolling. Because I lose some of my faith in humanity when I read that.
15:44 < augur> well, at least theyre reasoning about it
15:44 < augur> i mean, the details of that issue are not trivial
15:44 < Hplus> No, absolutely not.
15:45 < Hplus> But still. They must have at some point watched something on TV that showed a meteor or similar, coming in basically on fire.
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16:25 < ybit> and thus begins unpredictable times on the interwebs
16:41 < kanzure> blah i can't figure out if paul's latest over-unity post to om is off topic or not
16:41 < kanzure> (he's on moderation now)
17:09 < augur> Hplus: well, but many meteorites are actually freezing cold when they land
17:09 < augur> the small ones, anyway
17:11 < Hplus> Internally, yeah, I could see that. But anyway, it was sort of a stupid rant. Just a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
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19:22 < kanzure> hi eudoxia
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