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00:43 < kanzure> boop
00:43 < marainein> ?
00:43 < kanzure> never disturb me when i am booping
00:44 < marainein> my apologies
00:45 < fenn> beep
00:50 < kanzure> hi fenn
00:50 < kanzure> i couldn't sleep so i figured i'd work on my presentation
00:50 < kanzure> what am i presenting?
00:52 < fenn> "directed evolution of pathogens in human sweat bead bioreactors", and "scientific workshops as disease delivery mechanism"
00:52 < kanzure> nah they wanted me to babble about transhumanism
00:52 < fenn> oh. what's that?
00:52 < kanzure> for 10min.. so i figure motivations/goals/trends/projects should be enough
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00:53 < kanzure> "Your average transhumanist is a balding, middle-aged wanker who had the prime of his life in the 80s or early 90s after experimenting with LSD and acids."
00:54 < fenn> "i only take organic free range herbal acid
00:56 < kanzure> i am going to tell them that the lack of competency in "the upper ranks of the so-called transhumanist communities" is "a biosecurity concern because of the lack of communication, understanding and awareness of practical transhumanism"
00:59 < fenn> um. except it's not, because their incompetence simply ensures that nothing will happen
00:59 < kanzure> their incompetence ensures that they are not aware of what's going on
01:00 < kanzure> and having awareness (in their case) is insufficient
01:02 < kanzure> this isn't too important
01:07 < kanzure> ok i'll just call that "crippled by futorology"
01:39 < Utopiah> http://xkcd.com/924/ on 3D printer
01:41 < kanzure> yeah i don't really understand why people think that 3D printers have to be ubiquitous
02:09 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybiofbi2011.pdf
02:09 < kanzure> not bad for 4am
02:09 < fenn> speaking of 3d printers, the production quality of this video (solar sinter) is amazingly good for a student project vimeo.com/25401444
02:10 < kanzure> fenn: you should look at it and tell me why i suck
02:10  * fenn looks
02:10 < fenn> are you still affiliated with h+?
02:10 < kanzure> nope
02:10 < fenn> humanity+ i mean
02:10 < fenn> so their logo maybe isnt the best thing to put on the first slide
02:10 < kanzure> i realize this is confusing since i have the logo there
02:12 < fenn> so it may be best to frame things as "people will do these illegal things anyway, get used to it" rather than "i'm doing this and i'm here to poison the minds of your children"
02:12 < kanzure> right
02:12 < kanzure> that's prolly not evident by the slides but i do intend that
02:12 < fenn> i have difficulty thinking like an FBI agent so i don't really know what they want to hear
02:13 < kanzure> they want to hear about motivations and what sort of skills you probably have
02:13 < fenn> maybe you should have a slide about yourself then
02:13 < kanzure> ha ha no
02:14  * fenn shrugs
02:14 < kanzure> "Here we have a typical biohacker:"
02:14 < fenn> also may wish to cover patient advocacy
02:14 < kanzure> 'field guide to spotting molecular biologists'
02:14 < kanzure> hrmm okay
02:14 < fenn> orphan diseases etc
02:15 < kanzure> ah right. i forgot these things are called 'orphan' diseases
02:15 < fenn> FDA clinical trials process lets a lot of people die for lack of approval
02:15 < fenn> or decades long approval process
02:15 < kanzure> 1. read about some amazing cure from 15 years ago
02:15 < kanzure> 2. look up the patent
02:15 < kanzure> 3. cry because the VC money hasn't produced a drug yet
02:15 < fenn> the fallout from these diy medical researchers might lead to some epic transhuman technology
02:15 < kanzure> 4. do what the patent says anyway
02:17 < fenn> did you read that book with the mind-erasing fractal basilisk, uh...
02:17 < kanzure> basiwhat
02:18 < fenn> main character falls into a pond in winter and half of his brain cells die. they use some sort of stem cell therapy to rejuvenate the dead parts of his brain, but he comes out of it smarterthan he was before
02:18 < fenn> intrigued by the possibilities of this, he starts researching the mechanisms of the drug or therapy or whatever, and bootstraps his own intelligence
02:18 < kanzure> zindell probably stole that and put it into neverness 'cept it was bio-nano-something fixing the brain
02:18 < fenn> no this was pretty straightforward, you kill the existing brain and re-grow it better
02:19 < kanzure> short story?
02:19 < fenn> yeah
02:19 < fenn> one moment
02:19 < kanzure> "undrstand" by te chiang-something-or-other?
02:19 < kanzure> *understand
02:20 < kanzure> i'm gonna try me some more of that sleeps
02:20 < fenn> hm. it's not "none so blind" but that's a good one too
02:21 < fenn> can't find it. nevermind.
02:21 < fenn> oh, yes, "understand" by ted chiang
02:22 < fenn> why isnt that in my book list
02:24 < fenn> i love how the doctors are all, "we've never one this before, but don't worry, you'll be fine."
02:36 < fenn> this is sort of how i felt last week
02:37 < fenn> last weekend. time seems to be going faster
02:42 < kanzure> i wonder which part of the brain i need to melt to stop the time thingy
02:43 < kanzure> also why is sunrise at 5am in nyc
02:43 < fenn> hm? why would you want to do that
02:43 < kanzure> what sort of black magic is this
02:43 < kanzure> i want time to be slower, not faster
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02:43 < fenn> eh, well its sort of hard to explain
02:43 < fenn> on the one hand i seem to do a lot of stuff in any given hour
02:43 < fenn> on the other hand i look up and the day's halfway over already and i havent had breakfast
02:44 < kanzure> i thought that's normal?
02:44 < fenn> no
02:44 < kanzure> oorly
02:44 < kanzure> steve hasn't had breakfast in like five years!
02:44 < fenn> good for him
02:44 < kanzure> :p but really, it happens to me all the time
02:44 < fenn> i usually make a point to have breakfast within an hour of waking up
02:44 < kanzure> speaking of which..
02:45 < fenn> today (yesterday actually) i had: half an apple, half a glass of apple juice,
02:45 < fenn> yogurt and pine nuts
02:46 < fenn> and two slices of pizza an hour ago
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02:52 < kanzure> i wonder if this hotel serves cold pizza for breakfast
02:57 < fenn> try the dumpster behind the pizza place :)
03:03 < foucist> genius
03:03 < foucist> fenn: you are a master dumpster diver!
03:03 < foucist> lets build a rocket ship with your skills and my know how!
03:04 < foucist> we'll colonize a NEA as the first step
03:04 < foucist> then spin it for centripetal gravity
03:27 < fenn> gravity is for landlubbers
03:27 < fenn> but i agree
03:34 < foucist> fenn: at least i'm avoiding the pure silliness of colonizing planets (gravity holes are lame!)
03:35 < foucist> fenn: but we do need some gravity or some way of keeping our bodies from falling apart
03:35 < foucist> unless we develop genetic engineering or other tech to deal with that
03:48 < fenn> electric bone tissue stimulation should help with calcium loss/porosity
03:48 < fenn> of course exercise is necessary but i'm not sure we need gravity for that
03:48 < fenn> anyway you dont have to spin the whole damn asteroid
03:49 < fenn> bernal had the right idea
03:49 < fenn> 1929 holy fuck
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09:33 < foucist> fenn: i was thinking train tracks around the asteroid could work
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17:37 < fenn> foucist: you read that in red mars didnt you
17:37 < fenn> kanzure: can you recommend a php crash course? (don't ask)
17:37 < fenn> something along the lines of "dive into python"
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18:44 < kanzure> fenn: surprisingly no
18:44 < kanzure> php doesn't work like that
18:46 < kanzure> so that was an interesting day
18:46 < kanzure> nathan mccorkle is like charlie manion in person
18:46 < kanzure> (genehacker)
18:46 < kanzure> outer_space: are you perfetto
18:47 < outer_space> is that 'perfect' in a romance language?
18:47 < kanzure> no it's someone's name (josh perfetto)
18:47 < outer_space> I wouldn't disagree
18:47 < outer_space> no, josh jordan
18:47 < kanzure> did i do something with your daughter
18:47 < outer_space> did i do something to make a daughter?
18:47 < outer_space> maybe....
18:49 < kanzure> hm then i probably don't know you
18:49 < kanzure> what's up
18:49 < outer_space> lol you got people hunting you or something?
18:50 < outer_space> im in san antonio, i need some cnc work
18:51 < kanzure> neat looking for anything in particular
18:51 < outer_space> is your austin machine shop there yet?
18:51 < kanzure> there's a few shops available
18:51 < outer_space> yes, robot arms from the thingiverse design
18:51 < kanzure> the omegle thing?
18:52 < kanzure> er, omioron
18:52 < outer_space> not for sale thru thingiverse for some reason
18:52 < kanzure> er.. i forget the spelling
18:52 < outer_space> but the design is for download
18:52 < kanzure> is it the laser cut acrylic arm thing from a group starting with 'o'?
18:52 < outer_space> by oomlout
18:52 < kanzure> ah yes
18:53 < kanzure> btw have you tried the san antonio hackerspace
18:53 < outer_space> never heard of it
18:54 < kanzure> oomlaut makes money selling those btw so you can probably look them up
18:54 < outer_space> i didnt think a hackerspace could happen in san antonio
18:56 < outer_space> i would buy from oomlaut but i cant find a link or a price
18:58 < outer_space> plus I want a bigger one that uses cordless drill dc server-motors
19:06 < kanzure> oh geeze i'm looking through the results of the iftf open fabrication workshop i attended
19:06 < kanzure> they spend a lot of time talking about "DNCA" and thingiverse
19:06 < kanzure> the Digital Necrophilia Copyright Act?
19:07 < QuantumG> heh
19:08 < kanzure> i'm "not supposed to distribute this"
19:08 < kanzure> so get in line.. you know the drill
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19:10 < outer_space> sa hackerspace has a few cordless drills and a drill press
19:10 < outer_space> i need a CNC do we have computers in san antonio or what
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19:11 < outer_space> they dont even have a cnc on their wishlist
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19:12 < outer_space> my dad's garage is a better hackerspace than this
19:25 < kanzure> yes some of these hackerspaces are pretty sad
19:25 < kanzure> fenn: there's a group of people at noisebridge doing biology stuff now.. you should go say hi
19:25 < kanzure> (the bioboard stuff that i ignored)
19:39 < outer_space> so is there a cnc somewhere in austin that i could pay to use or pay someone to use?
19:43 < QuantumG> try http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Austin
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19:50 < kanzure> this was exactly what it was like at the fbi today
19:50 < kanzure> including the black agent
19:50 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMk1W9jE4xs#t=30
19:52 < outer_space> so there only 1 hackerspace in austin that has a cnc and its "<100% working" ?
19:52 < kanzure> uh well i have a bridgeport available
19:53 < kanzure> but i'm sort of on the wrong side of the continent
19:53 < kanzure> at the moment
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20:20 < QuantumG> why is that even up?
20:20 < QuantumG> like, was there a point to uploading that?
20:20 < QuantumG> it just seems like the most mundane bit of sci-fi ever
20:21 < QuantumG> <character introduction> <plot vehicle> <obvious dilemma> roll intro credits
20:25 < outer_space> is there a cnc anywhere in texas?
20:29 < QuantumG> you know there's hundreds of them right?  It's just that people use them for *manufacturing business* and don't generally allow random people access to them.
20:29 < QuantumG> try a tech college or something
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21:10 < kanzure> rob pointed me to basically
21:10 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/04/gene-synthesis-costs-have-been-slower.html
21:10 < kanzure> "135 pages of supplemental material - High-fidelity gene synthesis by retrieval of sequence-verified DNA identified using high-throughput pyrosequencing"
21:13 < kanzure> those numbers seem to be all over the place
21:14 < kanzure> http://omicsomics.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-cheap-gene-synthesis-squelch.html
21:16 < kanzure> apparently one of the 20under20 kids is working on this, but i forget which
21:17 < kanzure> http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/8/2514.long
21:18 < kanzure> "In this work, we describe a microfluidic platform for parallel solid phase synthesis of oligonucleotides that can greatly reduce the cost of gene synthesis by reducing reagent consumption (by 100-fold) while maintaining a ~100 pmol synthesis scale."
21:28 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics looks less active than imminst.org
21:30 < kanzure> someone should make a nootstack.org site to rate nootropic stacks. everyone posts the same questions everywhere except it's not organized. and it should be.
21:36 < foucist> kanzure: a stack overflow type site for noots?
21:37 < foucist> i like that idea!
21:38 < kanzure> apparently they raided this guy's place a while back
21:38 < kanzure> found lentiviral engineering going on
21:39 < kanzure> district attorney decided not to press any charges.. nothing they could do after that
21:45 < kanzure> okay here are my notes from today
21:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2011-07-13-diybio-fbi-notes.txt
21:46 < kanzure> i'll push my commits later.. but for now there's that
22:20 < kanzure> wonder where this came from http://mass-customization.blogs.com/files/tseng-2010-open-manufacturing.pdf
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23:11 < kanzure> welcome back superkuh
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