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05:36 < Lucas_> Good morning
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07:18 < kanzure> hi thesnark
07:20 < thesnark> hey kanzure
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09:14 < kanzure> mac and brain degger are in switzerland
09:14 < kanzure> visiting http://hackteria.org/
09:14 < kanzure> what is bioarduino
09:24 < kanzure> "Dear Constituent,"
09:24 < kanzure> "These protections are also important to future growth and employment in important U.S. industries."
09:25 < kanzure> "Protecting intellectual property is more challenging than ever before.  Among other things, high speed broadband enables access to the entire catalog of movies, music, books, television, and technology."
09:25 < kanzure> i wish i had access to the entire catalog of technology :(
09:25 < kanzure> stalk stalk stalk http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/HackteriaLab_2011_Participants
09:26 < kanzure> huh tinkercad.com is hiring
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09:46 < kanzure> Juul: http://www.am2011denmark.com/
09:49 < foucist> kanzure: grr.. shitty site, i have no idea what it's for. and am = august meeting. . that sure doesn't help
09:51 < kanzure> foucist: check one of the subpages.. anyway, i assume marc can figure out wtf it is because it's from his terf
09:51 < kanzure> "Kapitän Biopunk" what?
09:51 < kanzure> foucist: i'm thinking of visiting http://natural-fiber.com/
09:52 < kanzure> Kapitän Biopunk http://vimeo.com/25495671
09:54 < foucist> kanzure: looks cool
09:54 < foucist> kanzure: i'd be intereseted in going but maybe not till mid-sept or later
09:54 < kanzure> foucist: i forget, have you checked out http://hackerspace.sg/ in person?
09:55 < foucist> no
09:55 < foucist> didn't know about it
09:55 < foucist> never been to any hackerspace
09:55 < Juul> kanzure, thanks, haven't heard of it before
09:56 < kanzure> i think there's also http://ciant.cz/ nearby
09:56 < foucist> .cz ? what country?
09:56 < kanzure> international
09:56 < foucist> erm, czech..
09:57 < foucist> but you're saying there's a branch in asia?
09:57 < kanzure> in vietnam actually
09:57 < foucist> ah
09:57 < foucist> kanzure: lemme know what dates you might want to travel around and/or how long you'll be in asia
09:57 < foucist> when you get that figured out..
09:57 < kanzure> yep gotta buy some tickets first
09:58 < kanzure> http://www.kampot.org/
09:58 < kanzure> http://www.hackerspacepp.org/
09:58 < foucist> kanzure: but i just paid for a 2 month thai tourist visa so i'm not keen on leaving before the 2 months is up.. gotta get my value out of it :P
09:58 < kanzure> http://hackerspace.my/
09:58 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace-johor-bahru
09:59 < foucist> cool, i was in phnom penh reca few weeks ago heh
09:59 < foucist> -rec
10:00 < foucist> oh fucking nice.. there's a hackerspace really near where i'm living..
10:00 < foucist> 15 min walk away maybe
10:00 < foucist> oh, it's closed
10:00 < foucist> hmm
10:00 < kanzure> where?
10:00 < kanzure> i thought you were in bangkok
10:01 < kanzure> oh.. bangspace?
10:01 < kanzure> http://bangspace.org/
10:01 < kanzure> foucist: /join #hackerspacebkk
10:02 < kanzure> "Bangspace is no longer an active Hackerspace due to several reasons. However, there is a group working to setup a new Hackerspace in Bangkok."
10:02 < foucist> yeah
10:02 < kanzure> yeah you should hang out with those people though
10:02 < foucist> the ekkamai location would've been nice.. i 've been looking for virtual office/coworking space without much luck
10:03 < kanzure> http://godhack.org/
10:04 < kanzure> http://teknonesia.com/ hah
10:06 < kanzure> there's igem-bangalore and diybio-bangalore but that's a ways..
10:06 < kanzure> or http://www.symbiotica.uwa.edu.au/activities/exhibitions if australia is a good idea
10:08 < foucist> heh
10:09 < foucist> kanzure: i highly recommend skyscanner.com for finding the cheapest flights out of any given airport
10:10 < foucist> kanzure: example: http://www.skyscanner.com/flights-from/bkk/cheapest-flights-from-bangkok-suvarnabhumi.html?rtn=0
10:10 < foucist> so basically, you could easily compare a bunch of different flight paths to various cities/countries
10:11 < foucist> and cobble together a multi-city/country itinerary for extremely reasonable prices..
10:11 < foucist> kanzure: at one point i was looking at something like bkk -> vietnam -> philippines -> malaysia -> indonesia -> malaysia -> bkk  for less than $300 total
10:12 < foucist> you need to buy a visa for vietnam though
10:12 < foucist> the other countries you can just show up
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10:36 < kanzure> foucist: "just show up" nice
10:39 < foucist> yeah, visa exemption
10:39 < foucist> philippines is 21 days, most other places are 30 days
10:39 < foucist> some are more
10:40 < foucist> all you need is proof of an onward ticket
10:40 < foucist> (airline typically checks.. customs rarely bothers)
10:41 < foucist> kanzure: when i first went to philippines, i literally flew there one-way from canada, and bought a throwaway onward ticket for $25
10:41 < foucist> and bought it for 6 months in the future
10:41 < foucist> or a year in the future
10:41 < foucist> something liek that
10:41 < foucist> (the max)
10:42 < foucist> onward from philippines to indonesia
10:42 < foucist> just so that i could get into the country
10:43 < kanzure> hmm maybe i'll stay 30 days
10:43 < kanzure> not interested in much longer though
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10:46 < foucist> kanzure: so 30 days in vietnam then go back home?  or would you actually visit other places?
10:46 < foucist> anyways visa exemption is renewed everytime you fly in and out of a country
10:46 < foucist> well except for vietnam, have to buy visa everytime i guess
10:47 < kanzure> 30 days and then back home
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10:48 < kanzure> i'll probably go to singapore and then mainland china at least once
10:48 < foucist> kanzure: not gonna hit the fablab in indon?
10:48 < foucist> natural fibers
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10:49 < kanzure> gotta see.. bringing another person along so i have to arrange schedules
10:49 < kanzure> or i'll just go solo
10:49 < foucist> bringing another person along for fun or biz?
10:50 < kanzure> biz
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13:32 < technetium_s> good evening
13:33 < kanzure> hi technetium_s
13:46 < ybit> foucist: er..
13:46 < ybit> haven't you and i talked on okc and fbook?
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13:50  * ybit stops tinkering with aireplay, drinks some coffee, and runs to his other comp for the real fun
14:02 < kanzure> aren't you supposed to be working
14:02 < kanzure> technetium_s: what brings you around?
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14:25 < ybit> not today
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16:30 < kanzure> saurik: any ideas on how i'd figure out how many phonegap-built apps there are in the android market?
16:31 < thesnark> kanzure is appcelerator worth the performance tradeoff?
16:32 < kanzure> no
16:32 < kanzure> as far as i can tell, no
16:32 < thesnark> ok, thought so
16:33 < kanzure> i use phonegap
16:34 < kanzure> similar issues.. on my phone, phonegap apps take an extra 8 seconds to boot up
16:34 < kanzure> but the upside is that development time is cut by 70%+
16:34 < saurik> kanzure: I don't know. I do not believe they follow any external pattern, but I haven't really looked at all, and could easily be wrong. for onesw that were free you could possibly just download all of the apps in the market and then statically analyze them, but google might notice that and get bothered
16:34 < thesnark> Yeah but whatever, people aren't going to like your app if it is too slow
16:34 < kanzure> saurik: i could just download all free apps, not a big deal
16:35 < kanzure> only a few hundred gigabytes at most?
16:35 < saurik> oh yeah, totally feasible for you, but might raise some red flags at google
16:35 < saurik> I'd be really curious to know how it goes
16:35 < kanzure> :P i'll pause 5 seconds between downloads.. haha
16:36 < kanzure> i'm just a REALLY over-eager consumer
16:36 < thesnark> Why would Google care if you downloaded all free apps?
16:36 < kanzure> because there's very few legitimate reasons to do that
16:36 < kanzure> with phonegap apps you can decompile the .apk files and steal their html/javascript
16:37 < thesnark> hahaha
16:37 < kanzure> or read through thousands of lines of poorly written smali
16:37 < thesnark> phone apps in javascript
16:37 < kanzure> that's how it goes dude
16:37 < kanzure> http://phonegap.com/
16:37 < kanzure> it packages up html/js into a webview for each platform
16:37 < kanzure> then has a plugin architecture
16:37 < kanzure> i've written a few plugins for video capturing and video playing
16:37 < kanzure> for android/iphone
16:38 < thesnark> I'll just stick to java for the moment
16:38 < kanzure> suit yourself.. java is at least 10x more annoying
16:38 < thesnark> Not if you're used to being annoyed by java
16:38 < thesnark> and have perverted your own mind to enjoy it
16:46 < kanzure> you disgust me sir
17:04 < kanzure> :p
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17:16 < thesnark> kanzure how did the office setup go?
17:17 < kanzure> so far so good
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17:28 < kanzure> i'm in training mode with those guys
17:36 < thesnark> How many people total?
17:36 < thesnark> That you're managing?
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17:40 < thesnark> kanzure I need to set up a simple service to serve json objects over json
17:40 < thesnark> kanzure recommendations for fastest solution?
17:40 < thesnark> fastest = quickest to implement
17:40 < thesnark> umm
17:40 < thesnark> json objects over http
17:42 < kanzure> right now three people
17:42 < kanzure> json over json
17:42 < thesnark> haha
17:42 < kanzure> what
17:42 < thesnark> I corrected myself
17:42 < thesnark> json over http
17:42 < kanzure> sinatra if you want to write code reaaally fast
17:42 < kanzure> http://sinatrarb.com/
17:42 < thesnark> woah nice
17:43 < kanzure> but it's mostly for mocking up an api
17:43 < thesnark> right
17:46 < kanzure> if you need to serve json from another server you could use http://jsonify.com/ which is a jsonp wrapper
17:46 < kanzure> er wait
17:47 < kanzure> i meant http://jsonpify.com/
17:47 < kanzure> if you're writing both servers then you should just implement jsonp on your own of course
17:49 < kanzure> thesnark: what are you up to
17:49 < thesnark> kanzure stock visualizer for fun and profit
17:50 < kanzure> and you're feeding json into a javascript client?
17:50 < thesnark> hmm
17:50 < thesnark> I'm not sure if it will be javascript yet
17:50 < thesnark> but yes
17:50 < kanzure> most modern web ui stuff uses javascript
17:50 < kanzure> i can't think of another reason you'd be writing a json http server
17:51 < thesnark> sorry if this is naive, I really don't know what the js scene looks right now, but how is 3D in javascript?
17:51 < kanzure> scroll down: https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/
17:51 < thesnark> That is WebGL though
17:52 < kanzure> you want svg?
17:52 < thesnark> I know this is retarded but I want to avoid WebGL
17:52 < kanzure> well raphaeljs can do 3d svg crap
17:52 < kanzure> http://raphaeljs.com/scape/
17:53 < thesnark> That is pretty nice
17:54 < kanzure> ok check out http://raphaeljs.com/
17:55 < kanzure> another one is protovis http://mbostock.github.com/protovis/ex/
17:55 < thesnark> kanzure but if you think about people who trade online, a good amount of them are people using IE
17:56 < thesnark> and IE doesn't support being cool or a decent web browser
17:56 < thesnark> so I think flash might have to be the choice
17:56 < kanzure> if you want to get people who trade..
17:56 < kanzure> write a plugin for bloomberg terminal
17:58 < thesnark> that is an interesting option
17:58 < kanzure> if you want to target specific people.. you have a few options
17:58 < kanzure> either target people who use schwab, ameritrade, etrade, fidelity (eww)
17:59 < kanzure> or target people who use interactive brokers (the api)
17:59 < kanzure> nobody in that industry cares much about ui.. i mean they tolerate a lot of shit
17:59 < thesnark> I guess the ultimate goal is develop a potentially novel visualization technique and sell it to somebody
17:59 < thesnark> well, good to hear
18:00 < kanzure> haha if you wanted to sell to art museums you could make a portrait/poster that changes a visualization based off of a portolio's performance
18:00 < thesnark> haha
18:00 < kanzure> but honestly i don't think visualization is as important once the metrics are identified?
18:00 < thesnark> holy fuckstick, they have idea generation?
18:00 < kanzure> hm?
18:00 < thesnark> oh nevermind that's marketing bs
18:01 < kanzure> http://interactivebrokers.com/
18:01 < kanzure> or "how bryan wasted a month and a couple hundred bucks"
18:01 < kanzure> "by writing an overly-complicated python framework for trading simulation and order execution"
18:04 < thesnark> whatever, fuck it
18:04 < thesnark> I'll just make the goddamn thing first
18:04 < thesnark> worry about which system it goes to later
18:04 < kanzure> do you have someone that wants to buy it?
18:04 < thesnark> No
18:04 < kanzure> full stop.
18:04 < thesnark> Go on
18:04 < thesnark> explain, sir
18:05 < kanzure> i thought you wanted to sell something to someone
18:05 < kanzure> but you don't have a thing and you don't have anyone who wants to buy it
18:05 < thesnark> I will have a thing
18:05 < kanzure> and nobody to buy it :)
18:05 < thesnark> and I will find people to sell it to
18:05 < kanzure> do it the other way around
18:05 < kanzure> if you become technically unable to build it, hit me up
18:06 < thesnark> pride will not allow me to do that, but I appreciate the offer
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18:10 < thesnark> kanzure do you have any ideas for which there are already buyers?
18:16 < kanzure> ybit is on this weird bitcoin quest at the moment :(
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18:16 < thesnark> gross
18:16 < kanzure> thesnark: i pitched an idea to him for an automatic gift buying service
18:16 < thesnark> haha
18:16 < kanzure> i.e. buys a gift as a reminder 3 weeks in advance, you get it 2 days in advance
18:16 < thesnark> I always enjoy your ideas...what happened with promise pyramid?
18:16 < kanzure> never did anything with it.. but i don't think that one would make money ;)
18:17 < thesnark> haha
18:18 < kanzure> uhm, so to be honest the best way to do this is to find something that already exists and copy it if you know the size of the market
18:18 < kanzure> or you can suddenly become really good at knowing about market trends before others do
18:22 < thesnark> p3ramed
18:23 < thesnark> mobile based app farming product
18:23 < kanzure> is this an idea?
18:23 < thesnark> haha
18:23 < thesnark> it's from that video
18:23 < thesnark> with no brandcuffs
18:24 < kanzure> oh right
18:27 < thesnark> How do I make as much money as kanzure?
18:27 < thesnark> while being independent?
18:27 < kanzure> thesnark: that's easier..
18:28 < kanzure> thesnark: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2831651
18:28 < thesnark> America, fuck yeah
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2607058
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2503209
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2396088
18:28 < kanzure> also, for jobs:
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2831646
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2607052
18:28 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2503204
18:29 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2396027
18:29 < thesnark> ok ok I get it
18:30 < ybit> thesnark: yeah...
18:31 < ybit> 20:04 < kanzure> full stop.
18:31 < ybit> i did the build something and they will buy it thing..
18:31 < ybit> lots of wasted time and money
18:31 < thesnark> ok, I'll take that advice then
18:31 < kanzure> if we combine our powers into one we could save the planet
18:31 < kanzure> CAPTAIN AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
18:31 < thesnark> he's right
18:31 < ybit> HEART!!1
18:32 < thesnark> hahah
18:32 < thesnark> FIRE?
18:32 < kanzure> LOVE!! :(
18:32 < thesnark> hahaha
18:32 < ybit> the guy who said heart is too funny :D
18:33 < ybit> i would have wet my pants if captain america were to say 'fuck yeah'
18:33 < ybit> scariest thing around that time for me were hand puppet dragons
18:34 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
18:35 < foucist> ybit: why would a hetero guy like me talk to you on a dating site like okcupid? :P
18:35 < kanzure> foucist: i use okcupid for hiring and meeting brofriends
18:35 < kanzure> nobody in their right mind uses okcupid for dating
18:35 < thesnark> hahaha
18:35 < kanzure> 1) bitches be fucking nuts
18:35 < ybit> because it's a quick way to find other transhumanist thugs
18:36 < thesnark> sad truth - kanzure is actually correct
18:36 < kanzure> 2) nobody uses dating sites if they are legitimately in the dating pool
18:36 < kanzure> i wrote an okcupid scraper because i'm crazy
18:36 < thesnark> hahahahaha
18:36 < thesnark> an okcupid scraper
18:36 < thesnark> that is awesome
18:36 < foucist> i haven't tried okcupid so i don't know how "social" it is like
18:36 < kanzure> yeah
18:36 < kanzure> foucist: same as any other dating site.. huge asymmetry
18:37 < QuantumG> 1 is a universal truth.. and 2 has been false for the last 5 years.  Some ridiculous amount of people meet through online dating sites now.  It's nuts.
18:37 < thesnark> wtf do you do with okcupid data?
18:37 < kanzure> girls receive 50x messages
18:37 < kanzure> thesnark: hiring
18:37 < kanzure> i was hiring based on personality traits i'd find desirable
18:37 < ybit> i stalked 10 okc girls because i'm crazy
18:37 < ybit> okay that was a joke, now i just feel bad for saying it :P
18:37 < kanzure> thesnark: someone else said he was making up fake profiles of hot babes so that he could focus on the real girls in his area
18:37 < QuantumG> but then there's number 3: human relationships suck, you're better off alone and productive.
18:38 < kanzure> aww someone is jaded
18:38 < kanzure> and/or hasn't been laid in a while
18:38 < QuantumG> no, married :)
18:38 < kanzure> ok so again hasn't been laid in a while
18:38 < ybit> i've met 1 girl on okc this entire time
18:38 < kanzure> thesnark: do you remember my pitch for the okcupid mechanical turk thing
18:38 < kanzure> where you'd pay $50 for 5000 messages to girls
18:39 < kanzure> because the response rates are so god awful
18:39 < foucist> QuantumG: i hope she doesn't tolerate your knowitall attitude one bit :P
18:39 < kanzure> she's probably queen of the knowitalls
18:39 < ybit> i told her that it wouldn't work but we've become decent friends since
18:39 < kanzure> Queen Knowitalz
18:39 < QuantumG> of course not, like all women she knows everything.. you can't out-knowitall a woman.
18:40 < ybit> geology major, was at stanford using SHRIMP last week
18:40 < ybit> then there's this guy from the phillipines whom i thought foucist was
18:40 < ybit> and that's my okc xp
18:41 < kanzure> so anyway, no i don't suggest dating sites
18:41 < kanzure> besides they have this retarded incubation period where nothing happens for like a year
18:42 < ybit> i suggest money if you want a date
18:42 < kanzure> because it requires social effects to become popular
18:42 < ybit> i only charge $5k too
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18:45 < thesnark> Fuck what am I doing in this small town
18:45 < kanzure> thesnark: so what's your situation
18:45 < kanzure> looking to make something?
18:45 < kanzure> or need a payoff in a short time frame?
18:45 < thesnark> kanzure I'm looking to start a career as a tech entrepreneur
18:47 < kanzure> okay so i hate to break the obvious but all three of you should just team up on one of our shared interests
18:47 < kanzure> and do a project
18:47 < foucist> ybit: i'm from canada
18:47 < thesnark> I agree strongly
18:47 < kanzure> you guys know each other (sorta)
18:47 < foucist> kanzure: okc has an incubation period?
18:47 < kanzure> foucist: no i mean.. you know, social viral bullshit
18:47 < kanzure> "my site will go viral!!!"
18:47 < foucist> oh
18:48 < thesnark> kanzure I was actually thinking you and I should do a project
18:48 < thesnark> you have experience and I am actually a decent coder
18:48 < QuantumG> free idea: a 3d printer that is fast enough, robust enough and folds up into a carry case for on-site use by tradesmen
18:48 < kanzure> thesnark: yep
18:48 < ybit> thesnark: what's your lang?
18:48 < QuantumG> probably need "cheap enough" in there too
18:49 < ybit> i'm on a bitcoin kick right now
18:49 < foucist> ybit: buying bitcoin?
18:49 < thesnark> ybit I dunno, past a point it doesn't matter but I have java experience, python...
18:49 < ybit> and selling
18:49 < thesnark> I mean I can learn without too much trouble
18:49 < ybit> weeee
18:49 < foucist> ybit: i got into it but then went travleling for a couple weeks and find it's all down and shit
18:50 < foucist> makign me sad how low namecoins & bitcoins are heh
18:50 < foucist> we need another run up
18:50 < ybit> i guess you are referring mybitcoin
18:50 < ybit> referring +to
18:50 < ybit> oh, the actual value
18:51 < ybit> Read 3249 packets (got 0 ARP requests and 32 ACKs), sent 0 packets...(0 pps)
18:51 < ybit> i suck at this
18:52 < ybit> oh, i see, got it
18:52  * ybit skips over to his other comp
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18:54 < kanzure> if you guys give me a day or two i'll remember a few ideas
18:54 < thesnark> kanzure cool
18:54 < kanzure> gitduino is neat and all but it won't make money in the near future
18:55 < foucist> ybit: i htink there must be a ton of bots using the mtgox api these days
18:55 < kanzure> and the password recovery stuff has way too many security concerns for it to be interesting
18:55 < kanzure> actually.. the password recovery work hits on the shared interests in scraping
18:55 < foucist> given how non-volatile it's been for awhile now
18:56 < kanzure> academic paper scraping would be another fun one
18:56 < kanzure> (the angle would be a dumb mendeley buyout or something)
18:56 < ybit> i know another open manufacturing/btc guy looking to get into a project for the next 3-4 weeks
18:57 < ybit> met him in #español and he's only 2 hours away from me in hsv
18:57 < kanzure> if a mendeley buyout is interesting i could just ask those guys what they need to buy
18:57 < ybit> er, #espanol
18:57 < thesnark> kanzure if you have a guaranteed buyer that is always interesting
18:58 < foucist> buyer for what
18:58 < kanzure> doesn't matter as long as they buy it
18:59 < foucist> QuantumG: free idea  ipad app + ruggedized ipad for onsite construction - include CAD files, visualization of structure, make it easy to change dimensions on the fly and get correct dimensions back, checklist to prevent forgetting crucial steps etc
19:00 < QuantumG> yeah, I remember talking with someone on here about that.. probably you.
19:01 < kanzure> ruggedized ipad 3D viewer would be very easy to do
19:01 < foucist> kanzure: ideally it hsould be more than a viewer..  it's very common to need to make changes during construction
19:01 < kanzure> yes but cad apps suck your soul away
19:02 < foucist> yeah
19:02 < foucist> a viewer is a good start though
19:02 < foucist> viewer & checklist
19:02 < foucist> i spent 6 months last year building a house with my old man
19:02 < foucist> & his biz partner
19:03 < kanzure> yeah i sorta have access to the manufacturing capacity for that
19:03 < foucist> it was kind of annoying how much calculation they did on site
19:03 < kanzure> a dwg viewer would be easy to do
19:03 < foucist> construction plans are actually rather crappy
19:03 < foucist> and don't give much dimension info etc
19:03 < foucist> on specifics, usually you can work it out
19:03 < foucist> but that seems inefficient to me
19:03 < foucist> and error prone
19:04 < kanzure> i don't have any sales channels for that
19:04 < kanzure> done:
19:04 < kanzure> http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20072013-251/panasonic-toughbook-android-tablet-due-this-year/
19:04 < foucist> back in 2001 i worked with solid edge for a company, awesome 3d cad program, you could easily fix dimensions to lines and have the rest of the lines snap into place
19:05 < kanzure> SolidEdge?
19:05 < kanzure> holy shit
19:05 < kanzure> weren't they licensing from parasolid/siemens?
19:05 < foucist> no idea?
19:05 < foucist> pricey program though
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19:05 < foucist> but man it was light years ahead of autocad back then
19:05 < kanzure> yeah solidworks too ;)
19:05 < kanzure> alibre is like that now as well
19:06 < foucist> i also learned autocad 2007/008 but it barely compares
19:06 < kanzure> http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2011/04/autocad-ws-mobile-for-android-is-available.html
19:06 < kanzure> http://www.talon-designs.net/mobile.htm
19:06 < foucist> i mean autocad 07/08 has decent 3d
19:06 < foucist> but nothing like the ease of solidedge 2001 heh
19:07 < kanzure> are you on good terms with them
19:07 < foucist> good terms with who?
19:07 < kanzure> solidedge
19:07 < foucist> no, i don't know the actual company
19:07 < kanzure> oh i see now
19:07 < foucist> i was working for a mobile shelf company
19:07 < kanzure> you used the software
19:07 < foucist> yep
19:08 < kanzure> i hate you now
19:08 < kanzure> you had my hopes soo high
19:08 < foucist> heh
19:08 < kanzure> but now..
19:08 < kanzure> just no
19:08 < thesnark> haha, they are selling a broken screen app
19:10 < foucist> kanzure: we could take ipads, replace the screens with the rhino ones, that kind of thing
19:10 < foucist> rubberize the rest of it
19:10 < foucist> dust-proof/ waterproof..
19:10 < kanzure> doesn't matter who are you selling it to?
19:11 < foucist> hmm? talking construction site?
19:11 < kanzure> yeah but do you know any construction foremen or construction company owners
19:11 < foucist> my dad & his biz partner do
19:11 < kanzure> do they have money
19:12 < thesnark> oh hey
19:12 < ybit> time for the chop chop
19:12 < foucist> kanzure: it might be hard to sell the ipad for $2000 if that's what you mean :P
19:12 < kanzure> foucist: link us
19:13 < foucist> got not links
19:13 < foucist> no*
19:13 < kanzure> what??
19:13 < kanzure> a construction company with no website
19:13 < kanzure> well ok
19:13 < kanzure> what size is the company?
19:14 < foucist> you asked me if i know any foremen etc
19:14 < foucist> i said they know some.. i didn't say they have any lol
19:14 < kanzure> yeah.. the way this would work is:
19:15 < kanzure> 1) you pass along some info,
19:15 < kanzure> 2) we meet up for coffee or whatever
19:15 < kanzure> 3) we show some design docs and screenshots via email to them
19:15 < kanzure> 4) they sign on the dotted line and we show up in person with the ruggedized tablet
19:16 < foucist> kanzure: you mean bohemian?
19:16 < foucist> kanzure: i'm thinking more along the lines of
19:17 < kanzure> no i don't mean bohemian
19:17 < foucist> 1) launch site/kickstarter/whatever describing design etc
19:17 < kanzure> if the project required 10-15 people maybe.. :P
19:17 < foucist> 2) collect sufficient quantity of interested people
19:17 < kanzure> yeah that's no good
19:17 < foucist> 3) even better, make presales
19:17 < foucist> 4) build it
19:17 < kanzure> kickstarter is not a business plan
19:18 < thesnark> ^
19:18 < foucist> fine.. site + presales..  good enough for you?
19:18 < kanzure> "presales" aka know someone who owns a construction company
19:18 < kanzure> oh also, construction biz only rents equipment
19:18 < kanzure> so you'd make them rent the pads
19:19 < foucist> yeah
19:19 < kanzure> hah
19:22 < kanzure> well anyway
19:22  * thesnark has to go
19:22 < kanzure> cya thesnark
19:22 < thesnark> kanzure please keep me updated if you come up with anything substantial
19:22 < thesnark> kanzure also whatever ideas you can remember will be cool too
19:22 < kanzure> i'll remember something important i'm sure
19:22 < thesnark> awesome
19:22 < thesnark> bye all
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20:25 < kanzure> "I've often wondered what's the commercial and political mechanism that controls patent legislation and the lifetime of a patent. I mean, we're still at a mere 17 years with patents but Mickey Mouse is at roughly 95 years by now. Why is it worth lobbying for copyright extensions but not patent lifetime extensions?"
20:28 < kanzure> oh wordpress <3 http://markmaunder.com/2011/zero-day-vulnerability-in-many-wordpress-themes/
20:40 < QuantumG> when you consider that vast numbers of people have given complete control of the twitter accounts to wordpress, (including the ability to see their plaintext password), that's pretty scary.
20:40 < QuantumG> s/the/their/
21:30 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/search?q=Alucar+shell
21:35 < kanzure> QuantumG: ^poke
21:35 < QuantumG> ya
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