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01:44 < QuantumG> kanzure: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10513 that of any interest to you?
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07:22  * fenn is designing a different kind of beamformer
07:22 < fenn> a spatial beamformer instead of an angular beamformer
07:23 < fenn> but you'll hear about that soon enough i guess
07:23 < archels> What do you mean by spatial (vs. angular)?
07:32 < fenn> changes the shape of the beam cross section
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07:39 < archels> And this differs from angular beamforming how?
07:50 < fenn> the angle stays the same (approximately 0)
07:51 < archels> alright
07:51 < archels> What do you intend to use it for? Tradeoff between bandwidth and interferer supression?
07:54 < fenn> no
07:54 < fenn> pics when it's working, then all will become clear
07:56 < archels> alright!
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08:38 < kanzure> ybit: happy birthday
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11:22 < kanzure> http://news.yahoo.com/swedish-man-caught-trying-split-atoms-home-153341057.html
11:25 < kanzure> http://richardsreactor.blogspot.com/
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13:08 < fenn> scary, the filesystem superblock on my backup drive got corrupted
13:09 < fenn> i had to hold down the "y" key for like 10 minutes while fdisk asked if it could fix stuff
13:09 < fenn> er fsck
13:15 < kanzure> you should make a raid backup array of unimaginable size
13:18 < fenn> uh huh
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14:27 < superkuh> Poor guy. He didn't do anything illegal. The Beryllium/acid splashing around is questionable, but he was on the right path, ala the nuclear boyscout.
14:28 < archels> What I'm wondering is what he paid $1k for. A Geiger counter shouldn't be nearly that expensive.
14:28 < superkuh> It's all on the blog.
14:30 < superkuh> A good counter could easily be most of that, then the fine chemicals, and the... well, it doesn't look like he spent much on glassware.
14:31 < archels> The counter he mentions goes for $619. Then there's some thorium, radium from watch dials, and americium from smoke detectors.
14:31 < archels> (actually $619 for the top of the line model)
14:32 < superkuh> As a person who has tried to fuse atoms in my house and been told to stop by the FBI, I can easily imagine spending that much for fissioning a few.
14:32 < superkuh> Er, apartment.
14:33 < archels> haha srsly.
14:33 < superkuh> Yes.
14:33 < archels> How did the FBI get on your tail?
14:33 < superkuh> My lawyer says not talk talk about it.
14:34 < QuantumG> fair enough.. pretty sure I'd tell the FBI to suck on my balls if they told me not to do anything.
14:35 < superkuh> They are very scary in person when pointing guns at you.
14:35 < archels> #doingitwrong
14:37 < QuantumG> So were the SS.
14:38 < jrayhawk> fenn: yes | e2fsck
14:38 < archels> (Godwin's law)
14:38 < jrayhawk> yes being in coreutils seemingly specifically for this purpose
14:42 < fenn> well i wasn't sure i wanted to answer 'yes' to everything it might ask
14:42 < jrayhawk> sissy
14:42 < fenn> technically, i'm a wuss
14:44 < jrayhawk> also ext* has a lot of dumb issues; XFS is generally a lot more idiot-proof.
14:47 < kanzure> superkuh: how did you pick your lawyer?
14:48 < kanzure> hey you guys might be able to help actually
14:48 < kanzure> i have this old ide hdd
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14:50 < kanzure> and an external enclosure that has an ide cable
14:50 < kanzure> but the enclosure doesn't have a cable for power
14:50 < kanzure> so i'm using power from another motherboard
14:50 < kanzure> but the motherboard won't turn on and spin up the drive
14:50 < kanzure> what do i do
14:52 < archels> emulate a press of the power on button with a screwdriver between the appropriate jumpers?
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14:53 < kanzure> assuming the power button is the weakest link here?
14:53 < kanzure> man this sucks what the hell am i doing
14:53 < kanzure> oh oh i know,
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14:53 < kanzure> i should get a second and third motherboard to do a boot-over-ethernet scenario
14:53 < archels> Well, is there already a power button hooked up to the motherboard?
14:54 < kanzure> yeah it's not working for whatever reason, this was a "last known to be good" board
14:54 < kanzure> alternatively where can i find spare connectors for ide power
14:54 < kanzure> (not welded into a dumb power suppl)
14:54 < kanzure> supply
14:54 < archels> Just use any ATX PSU, use a paperclip to short one of the power connector pins to ground to turn it on.
14:55 < kanzure> hrm okay.
14:55 < archels> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
14:55 < archels> /PS_ON to ground
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14:56 < kanzure> hdd recovery isn't supposed to be like this is it
14:56 < archels> No, it's supposed to be much worse.
14:56 < archels> You might get to that part yet.
14:56 < kanzure> yeah i'm sure the fs is corrupted or something
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15:11 < jrayhawk> IIRC IDE relies upon common ground for data and power.
15:11 < jrayhawk> SATA does not.
15:11 < jrayhawk> So you may fry the drive if you don't ground out your two power supplies.
15:11 < kanzure> dafdafadfadfa
15:12 < archels> jrayhawk: It's grounded via the HDD.
15:12 < archels> Half of the IDE pins are ground, which are connected to GND of the power connector.
15:12 < archels> Just don't try to hotplug. ;)
15:16 < jrayhawk> "15:15:34 omg/jblake: a lot of them just connect those lines on the controller board to the common ground plane, so you'll get a ground loop that can carry a fair amount of current"
15:16 < jrayhawk> "15:15:57 omg/jblake: switching-mode power supplies tend to have rather floaty grounds :-("
15:16 < archels> For a ground loop, you'd need more than one ground connection.
15:17 < kanzure> why isn't jules or steve in here
15:17 < kanzure> playing omgwallhack bridge is not my idea of a good time
15:17 < jrayhawk> Steve actually fried a drive doing that back in highschool
15:17 < archels> I have an EE degree, you can take my word for it. :P
15:17 < kanzure> and i have a degree in rumpology
15:17 < kanzure> a phd, specifically
15:17 < kanzure> forthcoming
15:17 < jrayhawk> lucky!
15:17 < kanzure> :(
15:18 < archels> Your PC PSU powers the drive and nothing else, right? So where is the loop?
15:20 < archels> A dangerous ground loop arises when the PSU powers the HDD *and* the motherboard, and the PSU<->HDD ground connection is insufficient.
15:20 < archels> Then the signal ground wires will start carrying significant current.
15:22 < archels> anyway, night
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15:48 < fenn> kanzure: just boot the motherboard off your ide drive, do whatever over ethernet
15:48  * fenn mumbles
15:49 < fenn> or just get one of those ide/sata adapter thingies, they also come with a psu
15:49 < fenn> gosh how are we going to save humanity from itself when we can't even help ourselves
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15:52 < superkuh> I used a second, pin shorted, PSU for my extra hard drives for many years with no problems.
15:53 < superkuh> IDE drives, sitting on the ground, with the cables goin in through an open pci slot.
15:54 < superkuh> (to an PCI IDE expansion card)
15:54 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what was your non-matrox matrox pci card?
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17:11 < belorno> Hi.
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18:36 < QuantumG> today's Russian spacewalk in 3 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LQD1NlwUwI
19:01 < jrayhawk> kanzure: not sure about your question; I have a Matrox G450 MMS Quad that hasn't worked for years because Matrox open source support is a joke; Jaton makes a variety of quad-output X11-capable cards for ~$150
19:02 < jrayhawk> s/X11-capable/xorg-compatible
19:02 < jrayhawk> Getting one quad-output card working with Xorg's software infrastructure will be a *lot* smoother than any multi-device setups, by the way.
19:03 < kanzure> quad-output is the best you can do?
19:04 < jrayhawk> Matrox makes ridiculous cards that do more, but they'd be expensive (medical industry) and have shit for support.
19:04 < jrayhawk> IIRC they have a 16 output card.
19:04 < kanzure> that's better
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19:06 < jrayhawk> anyway, just to warn you, with xorg, you get to pick any two of Xrandr, Xinerama, and multi-device support.
19:07 < jrayhawk> DisplayLink support (which'd be a fairly cheap approach to a large number of displays) is pretty bad.
19:08 < jrayhawk> Just in case you were tempted to try that.
19:12 < kanzure> ah it was displaylink that i was trying to remember
19:15 < jrayhawk> xorg can't dynamically allocate them, only supports one at a time, requires that it be the primary device in multi-device setups, and refuses to operate it in anything but the highest EDID-returned resolution even if that resolution is too big for the displaylink framebuffer.
19:19 < jrayhawk> I assume that, like many things in xorg-land, nobody wants to fix it because everything's moving over to Wayland anyway.
19:39 < kanzure> wayland?
19:42 < kanzure> ybit: happy birthday
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19:55 < jrayhawk> Wayland is the new compositing window manager that ditches all the X11 cruft, since obviously applications don't care about drawing primitives or buffer sharing or even network abstraction on modern GLES platforms.
19:56 < jrayhawk> http://blip.tv/file/get/Linuxconfau-XAndTheFutureOfLinuxGraphics549.ogv is a compelling summary
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20:38 < kanzure> all those people who claim bird watching is diybio should do birdwatching over livestream
20:39 < kanzure> http://livestre.am/OjGU
20:59 < QuantumG> watching Transcendent Man.. it's surprisingly balanced.
21:01 < ybit> weee! thanks kanzure
21:01 < ybit> you must use something beside facebook, what's your secret?
21:02 < ybit> i just wait until a friend slaps me or something
21:02 < kanzure> memory
21:03 < ybit> there's a quick little project
21:04 < ybit> no such thing in the chrome store
21:05 < ybit> gbirthday - birthday reminder for Evolution Contacts
21:07 < kanzure> am i an "evolution contact"?
21:27 < QuantumG> weird: Goertzel has a lot to say in Transcendent Man but they never put up his name.. everyone else has theirs captioned.
21:28 < eridu> all know the face of goertzel
21:29 < foucist> i know the Face of Boe
21:33 < QuantumG> hmm.. ok, 59 minutes in they finally put up his name.. I guess they intended to put that clip first.
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21:54 < QuantumG> finished
21:55 < QuantumG> so.. nothing new in there, but at least now I'll never have to explain to anyone what hplus is.. I can just point em at this video.
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22:04 < kanzure> please don't
22:04 < foucist> kanzure: stop drinking the haterade!
22:05 < kanzure> haters gonna hate
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22:07 < QuantumG> hey, if you don't like the prophet, get out of the religion.
22:07 < kanzure> i have my own religion thank you very much
22:08 < QuantumG> then you've got nothing to worry about
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22:12 < foucist> i'm the prophet, and i like myself
22:12 < foucist> *fap fap fap fap*
22:12 < foucist> i encourage people to fap to my image..  big fat hairy guy
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23:04 < kanzure> what a bizarre yet accurate concept of religion
23:08 < QuantumG> religion = love, the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket?
23:10 < QuantumG> http://twitter.com/#!/Mminni100/status/98968479977308161  of course, some walk away with no clue.
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