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04:16 < fenn> NIST used RTlinux which was developed by a navy contractor for testing avionics, but was later excessively commercialized to the point of unusability and so now anyone doing anything realtime with linux uses RTAI developed by an italian university
04:17 < fenn> also it's sort of a misnomer to call it an extension since linux is running as a process in the RT kernel
04:41 < fenn> what is in nanosystems.tar.gzD
04:41 < fenn> oh nm
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07:12 < delinquentme> so im a little pissy... walked into pitts bio lab and the security officer did nothing but derp
07:14 < kanzure> eh
07:14 < delinquentme> so here it goes: how do you find out what works
07:14 < delinquentme> because really i want to burn a hole into that shit
07:14 < delinquentme> blast them for the fact someone marches up to their front door saying " let me help you to innovate"
07:15 < delinquentme> is it like playing shadows of the colossus?
07:15 < delinquentme> you gotta find the nerves
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07:23 < kanzure> delinquentme: did you have a meeting scheduled?
07:26 < delinquentme> nah
07:26 < delinquentme> disruption isnt supposed to follow protocols
07:26 < delinquentme> am i wrong?
07:27 < Utopiah> protocols (and heavy administrative processes) aren't supposed to be broken without resistance
07:28 < kanzure> um..
07:30 < kanzure> http://www.codeodor.com/index.cfm/2011/8/11/WTFs-by-programming-language-repository-on-github/3395
07:32 < delinquentme> this is true
07:33 < delinquentme> are there downsides to picking fights through this
07:33 < delinquentme> thats the gut feeling
07:34 < kanzure> um.. schedule a meeting dude
07:35 < delinquentme> another issue: going in there as a business major everyones got this self referential belief that you need to have that paper to make an impact
07:36 < delinquentme> psychology, its a bitch sometimes
07:37 < kanzure> you're doing it wrong
07:38 < delinquentme> i donno man
07:38 < kanzure> you got thrown out by a cop
07:38 < kanzure> i think this is evidence of you doing it wrong
07:38 < delinquentme> ha
07:38 < delinquentme> nah that just means the cop has no idea what "open source robotics are"
07:38 < delinquentme> he just knows to drool on himself and to keep unauthorized people out
07:38 < kanzure> no that doesn't matter at all
07:39 < delinquentme> so playing dumb = easiest way to keep unauths out
07:39 < delinquentme> right?
07:39 < kanzure> no he's supposed to keep you out
07:39 < kanzure> because you didn't schedule a meeting.
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07:40 < delinquentme> so yeah going in and trying to go through cop yeah .. not gonan work
07:40 < delinquentme> but i mean in a larger sense
07:41 < delinquentme> as in just be a pain in the ass so they give me what i want sooner
07:41 < delinquentme> bc they know im gonna be a pain in the ass
07:41 < delinquentme> * thinking out loud*
07:44 < delinquentme> RIGHT?!
07:45 < kanzure> they don't even know you what the fuck are you smoking?
07:46 < delinquentme> kanzure, giving your credentials upfront .. or waiting for them to ask for them ( when sending an email for an appointment )?
07:46 < kanzure> i'll help you draft an email to a professor if you want
07:46 < kanzure> but not right now.. i need to go find some fucking food
07:46 < kanzure> where is this shit
07:46 < delinquentme> Pitt
07:46 < delinquentme> ive also got a degree from this palce
07:46 < kanzure> no way i'm going to pitt just for some food man
07:47 < delinquentme> lolol
07:47 < kanzure> i was thinking down to my kitchen or down the street
07:47 < delinquentme> ok im gonna shoot u this email
07:49 < kanzure> please include food and/or a picture of food
07:49  * kanzure will brb
07:52 < delinquentme> http://www.abetterbagofgroceries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sloppy-joe-finished.jpg
07:52 < delinquentme> NAWMZ
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08:55 < kanzure> open source hardware logo http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3548427/oshw-logo_REVIS.svg
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09:14 < delinquentme> kanzure, dat sloppy joe!
09:14 < delinquentme> derish
09:33 < dbolser> any smart people want to get sequenced? https://www.cog-genomics.org/
09:33 < dbolser> hi kanzure, sorry about the other day
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09:34 < dbolser> anything important?
09:54 < delinquentme> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2898790
09:55 < delinquentme> dbolser, are you working with BGI?
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10:18 < Tyrant> delinquentme, what makes you think you know what they should be doing better than you?
10:19 < Tyrant> *better than them
10:19 < delinquentme> ha!
10:19 < delinquentme> yessss
10:19 < delinquentme> i was about to jump on that email and be like 'YES YES YES'
10:19 < delinquentme> thats the kinda feedback im after
10:19 < delinquentme> bc i dont!
10:19 < delinquentme> like this is a guess, and with my limited bio knowledge that the best ive come up with sofar
10:19 < Tyrant> cheaper and simpler is good, over specialized is not
10:20 < Tyrant> the interface for automation is quite a bit harder than you think
10:20 < Tyrant> web browser based or not
10:21 < delinquentme> Tyrant, well thats MY problem to handle :D
10:21 < delinquentme> scientists arent interaction designers
10:21 < delinquentme> which puts me in a perfect place .. learning this stuff to think
10:21 < Tyrant> You are not a scientist
10:21 < delinquentme> * HEY these two form a logical group*
10:22 < Tyrant> The only use for the LH you thought of was mini prep?
10:22 < delinquentme> correct
10:22 < delinquentme> so then the question is
10:22 < delinquentme> what to automate
10:22 < Tyrant> you need to go talk to scientists and lab techs who use this
10:22 < Tyrant> EVERYTHING!
10:22 < delinquentme> well duh
10:22 < delinquentme> lol
10:22 < Tyrant> the liquid handler can do almost everything you need to in a lab
10:22 < delinquentme> but i mean i can see automation of minipreps taking like 2 months
10:22 < Tyrant> as long as  it is extendable enough
10:23 < delinquentme> see my thing is
10:23 < delinquentme> i dont want a big project
10:23 < delinquentme> i want small incremental ones
10:23 < delinquentme> you know paul grahams idea of incremental quick revisions
10:23 < Tyrant> they dont work in hardware
10:23 < delinquentme> false
10:23 < delinquentme> but thats not a constructive discussion
10:24 < delinquentme> what is!
10:24 < delinquentme> is what to automate
10:24 < Tyrant> You need two things: to develop and deploy
10:24 < delinquentme> that could be done quickly and that is useful
10:24 < Tyrant> both are insanely expensive when compared to software
10:24 < delinquentme> yes yes insanely expensive compared to something that free
10:24 < Tyrant> and if you deploy a piece of shit hardware then your done for
10:24 < Tyrant> *you're
10:24 < delinquentme> umm you  know about 3d printing
10:24 < delinquentme> you say heres the file
10:24 < delinquentme> replace these
10:24 < delinquentme> if the machine is simple enough .. even a lab tech could do this
10:25 < delinquentme> which is why im not looking at HPLC for my first project .. ill leave that up to the studied individuals =]
10:25 < Tyrant> so you're saying your instrument is out of plastic
10:25 < Tyrant> completely out of plastic
10:25 < delinquentme> oh completely
10:25 < Tyrant> uhhh ok
10:25 < delinquentme> aside from screws that you can buy @ mcmaster
10:25 < delinquentme> its mcmaster carr hardware and plastic
10:26 < delinquentme> pipettes from ebay .. and arduino MCs
10:26 < delinquentme> thats about it
10:26 < Tyrant> have you stress tested the machine?
10:26 < delinquentme> this is taking hardware
10:26 < delinquentme> and applying software revision concepts to it
10:26 < delinquentme> no .. which is a good question
10:26 < delinquentme> i havnt
10:26 < delinquentme> however
10:26 < Tyrant> well you cant deploy it
10:26 < delinquentme> metal parts can be 3d printed
10:27 < delinquentme> but like i said in the email
10:27 < Tyrant> have you gotten estimates for laser sintering? XP
10:27 < delinquentme> *COMPLEXITY* is the wrong answer here
10:27 < delinquentme> complexity is EASY
10:27 < delinquentme> there are a multitude of processes
10:27 < delinquentme> all of which are automated =]
10:28 < Tyrant> yes but there is also a big difference between simplification and over specialization
10:28 < delinquentme> and such will become more and more of a commodity priced item
10:28 < delinquentme> true
10:28 < delinquentme> which is why i was worried about the minipre
10:28 < Tyrant> if your machine is only capable of handling 96 well plates and cant even work with a pcr machine then you've over simplified
10:28 < Tyrant> thats why mine is so "complex"
10:28 < delinquentme> miniprep ... like people use different protocols and what if my machine wouldnt support a particular protocol
10:29 < delinquentme> whaaaaaaat
10:29 < delinquentme> stop
10:29 < delinquentme> false
10:29 < delinquentme> i've seen 96 well pcr machines
10:29 < delinquentme> they use specialized plates
10:29 < delinquentme> 96 well .. standard dimensions
10:29 < Tyrant> ok what if the lab using your equipment doesnt have one of those?
10:29 < delinquentme> open PRC dude :D
10:30 < delinquentme> but again were moving away from what im after
10:30 < Tyrant> what if they want to fill up a desktop centrifuge with the liquid handler?
10:30 < Tyrant> no you dont understand a fundamental fact of what you're trying to do: It's not about what you want or can do, it's about what labs NEED
10:30 < delinquentme> agreed.
10:30 < delinquentme> what im saying
10:30 < delinquentme> as you've mirrored
10:31 < delinquentme> is that ALL of this needs automated
10:31 < delinquentme> but where do we start
10:31 < delinquentme> all of this shit needs to lego together
10:31 < Tyrant> you start with a cheap enough instrument that can do pretty much anything with any extension
10:31 < delinquentme> but the quicker we can get to a product that is cheap, innovative and usable ... the quicker the entire process will happen
10:31 < delinquentme> so yeah the liquid handler sounds like a good idea
10:32 < delinquentme> umm should we start sharing sketches?
10:32 < Tyrant> as for the software, you have a "turing complete" equivalent of move the head, move each pipette tip in height, and move the pump (pick up or dispense liquid)
10:33 < Tyrant> you can if you want, i have little recorded
10:33 < Tyrant> people have done DIY CNCs many many times, im just catching up right now and making my own
10:33 < Tyrant> I've got the motor-driver pretty much worked out and so I'm building the structure and position feedback
10:35  * delinquentme sketching
10:36 < delinquentme> kk ill upload a sketch in a sec
10:37 < delinquentme> oh yeah ##diycnc .. im a mod in that channel .. the kids are hella nice
10:37 < Tyrant> did not know that existed
10:38 < delinquentme> yeap
10:38 < kanzure> there's also #cam #emc #reprap
10:38 < delinquentme> actually #diycnc
10:38 < delinquentme> so digs
10:38 < delinquentme> http://imgur.com/2Dpaq
10:38 < delinquentme> this is my non-scientist concept
10:39 < delinquentme> looking at the problem from the perspective of a central lab.. with numerous researchers working on concurrent projects
10:39 < delinquentme> systems to jump between conveyor belts, .. then from machine to machine .. and a staging area for those plates or whatever .. waiting on a machine
10:40 < Tyrant> well now for my sketch: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~chefvb/images/wp207ane.jpg
10:40 < Tyrant> that quad-z is 30k and thats my target
10:40 < delinquentme> so what it is.. is 2 fold
10:40 < delinquentme> 1) you've got the thiel street cred
10:41 < delinquentme> so im definitely interested in your takes on this
10:41 < kanzure> hahahah
10:41 < kanzure> that's hilarious
10:41 < kanzure> but please continue
10:41 < delinquentme> 2) I want to see the iteration
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10:41 < delinquentme> perhaps i just dont know about the LH
10:41 < delinquentme> kanzure, y funny
10:42 < Tyrant> delinquentme, I don't understand why you are obsessed with a single axis
10:42 < kanzure> street cred doesn't roll like that around here
10:42 < delinquentme> Tyrant, im obsessed with speed and simplicity
10:42 < delinquentme> speed of iteration
10:43 < delinquentme> grand dreams = awesome, motiving .. fuck eyah
10:43 < delinquentme> but the sooner ass hits pavement
10:43 < delinquentme> the more noise youll make in the community
10:43 < delinquentme> and the faster youll get $$$ to make bigger rockets
10:43 < Tyrant> that depends on which community you're looking at
10:43 < Tyrant> if your look at diybio... sure
10:43 < delinquentme> like yes if the machine is a POS
10:43 < delinquentme> but no if you've got a solid piece of machinery
10:43 < Tyrant> if you want to actually take this to labs and stuff like that? your first iteration matters so much more than the latter ones
10:43 < delinquentme> its absolutely true
10:44 < delinquentme> sorry man
10:44 < delinquentme> yes
10:44 < delinquentme> well
10:44 < delinquentme> hmm as i said .. if the machine doesnt work as intended
10:44 < delinquentme> its a fail
10:44 < delinquentme> you're absolutely right
10:44 < delinquentme> quick deploy + high quality = the answer
10:44 < Tyrant> no its not. if it doesnt work as intended you keep working on it but it must work as inteded adn serve the needs of the user when you launch
10:45 < Tyrant> again depends on what your deployment is
10:45 < delinquentme> and to assume that everything is a long dev cycle is so outdated
10:45 < Tyrant> do you know why everything has a long dev cycle?
10:45 < kanzure> Tyrant: mostly because of bullshit
10:45 < delinquentme> testing
10:45 < delinquentme> but the thing is it doesnt need to be that way
10:45 < kanzure> no lots of testing can be automated
10:45 < delinquentme> what im saying is were talking emergent shit here
10:45 < delinquentme> its NOT innovative
10:46 < delinquentme> if were holding ourselves to old standards
10:46 < delinquentme> fuck how its done
10:46 < delinquentme> we're smarter
10:46 < delinquentme> we're faster
10:46 < delinquentme> lets figure it the fuck out on our own
10:46 < Tyrant> ah so you're not going to hold yourself to the standard of "make sure this piece of hardware works for a while" ?
10:46 < delinquentme> you KNOW tecan cant keep up a dev cycle like we can
10:46 < Tyrant> lolyesitcan
10:47 < delinquentme> no waaaay
10:47 < Tyrant> and when it starts losing money it will
10:47 < delinquentme> startup that shitman
10:47 < delinquentme> ask kanz
10:47 < delinquentme> hardware is going the way of software
10:47 < delinquentme> we can make this shit like its fucking tinkertoys for 3rd world countries
10:47 < Tyrant> lol
10:47 < delinquentme> tinkertoys which can incubate and automate
10:48 < Tyrant> you need to go work on some hardware that will be deployed to the real world
10:48 < delinquentme> true!
10:48 < Tyrant> cold hard reality will hit you in the face very hard
10:48 < delinquentme> but im asking
10:48 < delinquentme> whats the "cold hard fact" thats stopping quick deploy cycles
10:48 < Tyrant> testing. testing. testing.
10:48 < delinquentme> you've this far mentioned that you want it to work for a while
10:48 < Tyrant> everything must work, it must work for a while, and it must work perfectly
10:48 < delinquentme> how did testing on the VW beetle work
10:48 < kanzure> delinquentme: the other thing that is stopping it is a lack of money for parts and dev costs
10:49 < delinquentme> and so perfect
10:49 < Tyrant> every single part was stres tested along and during systems integration
10:49 < delinquentme> make shit cheap enough for DIY bio
10:49 < delinquentme> let them field test the shit
10:49 < delinquentme> well test it ourselves
10:49 < Tyrant> but you'll make no money to keep developing
10:49 < delinquentme> and if we've got enterprising labs theyll do the same
10:49 < kanzure> Tyrant: so?
10:49 < delinquentme> tell me it wont happen and i will laugh at you
10:50 < delinquentme> so Tyrant i guess what im after
10:50 < delinquentme> is tell me what is stupid simple which can be automated
10:50 < delinquentme> and let me help on the side with your big toy
10:50 < delinquentme> and ill work on small ones
10:50 < Tyrant> What you're after is a fairy tale of being able to build an entire piece of hardware and deploy it in an unreasonable amount of time
10:50 < delinquentme> like i didnt mean to get drawn in but <3 the discussion but thats what im after .. im a lost boy
10:51 < delinquentme> ummm
10:51 < kanzure> Tyrant: to be fair, you don't know what you're talking about
10:51 < delinquentme> for it to be "unreasonable" i would have had to give a timeframe
10:51 < kanzure> Tyrant: i mean it's been almost a year now of no hardware from you
10:51 < delinquentme> which i didnt.
10:51 < delinquentme> thus...
10:51 < delinquentme> does it not seem that you're just fixated on the long dev sched
10:51 < delinquentme> instead of just saying
10:51 < delinquentme> "lets see what we can crap out in a week"
10:51 < delinquentme> bc i think we'd all be more interested in that
10:52 < delinquentme> granted im one to talk .. 3 months of dev on my LH
10:52 < kanzure> so what's the conversation?
10:52 < Tyrant> delinquentme: look at cellphones and cars: extremely competitive industry where short dev cycles would give companies a large advantage but they're still very long
10:52 < Tyrant> delinquentme: no i'm fixated on the long commercial dev schedule
10:52 < delinquentme> Tyrant so yes i think...
10:52 < delinquentme> we just need to figure out what dev times were looking at
10:52 < Tyrant> i want to get my entire thing done over the next month or two, but i know that realistically getting it to market will take 6 to 12
10:52 < delinquentme> and as kanzure what are we talking about here
10:52 < Tyrant> kanzure: what hardware have you done?
10:53 < delinquentme> stop.
10:53 < delinquentme> what CAN
10:53 < delinquentme> we do
10:53 < delinquentme> i was learning electronics and working a job lol fuck that shit
10:53 < delinquentme> i know it can be done quicker
10:53 < kanzure> Tyrant: last thing i remember working on is some microfluidics stuff
10:53 < delinquentme> and now i've got you kids as cohorts .. and thats fucking awesome
10:54 < Tyrant> kanzure: where is it?
10:54 < kanzure> Tyrant: sitting in a junkbin somewhere in austin
10:54 < delinquentme> Tyrant, kanzure how is this productive
10:54 < delinquentme> quick dick measuring
10:54 < kanzure> delinquentme: i still don't know what the conversation is
10:54 < delinquentme> agreed.
10:54 < kanzure> delinquentme: i don't want to measure your dick
10:54 < delinquentme> so Tyrant id love to get your 2cents on what i can do with my machine
10:54 < delinquentme> lulz
10:54 < kanzure> this doesn't really make sense to me so i'm going back to my javascriptz
10:55 < delinquentme> the not-so-quantified self?
10:55 < kanzure> what?
10:55 < delinquentme> its cool we can drawn the line there :P
10:55 < Tyrant> kanzure: so... nothing?
10:55 < delinquentme> Tyrant,
10:55 < delinquentme> liiisten man
10:55 < kanzure> Tyrant: i don't think you read what i wrote
10:55 < delinquentme> kanzure, and i both know you're doing good stuff
10:55 < delinquentme> im after advice
10:55 < delinquentme> were working on 2 different machines now
10:55 < delinquentme> yours is absolutely more complex
10:55 < Tyrant> delinquentme: add a second axis, spread the conveyor out and add the second axis to the gantry holding the pipettes
10:55 < delinquentme> by a measure
10:56 < delinquentme> so naturally it would take longer
10:56 < Tyrant> also kanzure, you haven't known me for a year
10:56 < delinquentme> Tyrant, how about an automated pipette?
10:56 < kanzure> Tyrant: i met you 2010-10-27.. so that's true i guess
10:56 < delinquentme> thats kind of how i talk about it
10:56 < Tyrant> i entered this channel in january, didnt start anything till early june
10:56 < delinquentme> lol
10:56 < Tyrant> you met me at humanity plus
10:56 < delinquentme> male egos
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10:56 < delinquentme> fuck
10:57 < delinquentme> really?
10:57 < Tyrant> what do you mean automated pipette?
10:57 < delinquentme> i've referred to it as a
10:57 < delinquentme> "glorified pipette"
10:57 < Tyrant> you mean one that automatically lowers and pulls/dispenses liquid?
10:57 < delinquentme> no that would be .... aspersion
10:57 < delinquentme> noo eff whatever the term
10:58 < delinquentme> this is only liquid dispensing
10:58 < delinquentme> and when automated pipettes cost 400 for a 8 row
10:58 < delinquentme> mine runs 12
10:58 < delinquentme> and i know i could get the cost to 400
10:58 < Tyrant> what is an automated pipette lol
10:58 < delinquentme> hah
10:58 < delinquentme> i mean like
10:58 < delinquentme> 8 channel
10:58 < delinquentme> http://www.amazon.com/Scilogex-71311212-MicroPette-Autoclavable-8-Channel/dp/B004J4W7I6
10:58 < delinquentme> right ? so pipette
10:59 < Tyrant> well if you want to do ONLY 96 wells you can use that
10:59 < delinquentme> mine needs to be scaled down .. but if i added a cue to it .. so that you could press a button ..and just have liquid dispensed to a cue of like 50 plates .. would that be beneficial?
10:59 < Tyrant> this is how Tecans do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EchSv6O0unk&feature=related
10:59 < Tyrant> anyway I have to go. I should have been at a meeting already
11:00 < delinquentme> lol ok
11:00 < Tyrant> I'll be back later tonight or tomorrow. talk to you then
11:00 < delinquentme> but think about the 50 cue for me
11:00 < delinquentme> yeah
11:00 < delinquentme> toodles!!
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11:13 < kanzure> lol overnighting unlocked iphones with my app to gatorade execs
11:15 < dbolser> delinquentme: no, I had an opportunity to work there, but wasn't too sure about relocating
11:16 < kanzure> what is wrong with you
11:16 < kanzure> geeze
11:17 < kanzure> it is your mission to personally expand the jong bhak empire to beijing!
11:20 < delinquentme> kanzure, come again?!
11:20 < delinquentme> dbolser, you know they've got BGI americas
11:20 < delinquentme> i have to say i love seeing cultural evolution
11:21 < delinquentme> right on their website it says "were out to alleviate human suffering"
11:21 < delinquentme> this is the same culture which used to support the " life = suffering " motif
11:21 < delinquentme> awesome
11:26 < dbolser> delinquentme: they need BGI myhouse ;_)
11:26 < dbolser> I'm in UK
11:28 < delinquentme> ohhh shit!@
11:28 < delinquentme> im jelly
11:28 < delinquentme> or do they call it jam over there :P
11:28 < delinquentme> GOD IM HAVING AN AMAZING DAY
11:28 < delinquentme> thanks to you guys <3
11:42 < delinquentme> clams are as happy as me right now.
11:46 < delinquentme> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-18/marijuana-dna-sequenced-by-startup.html
11:47 < kanzure> delinquentme: jong was one of dbolser's advisors
11:55 < delinquentme> jong?  not listed: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/24/high-quality-dna.print.html
11:55 < delinquentme> who is he?
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12:01 < kanzure> i meant jong bhak
12:01 < kanzure> http://jongbhak.com/index.php/Main_Page
12:02 < kanzure> he's the former director of the korean bioinformatics center (KOBIC) i think
12:03 < delinquentme> ohh fuck yes
12:05 < delinquentme> oh and i shot an email to a guy Rae referred me to who might be working on clevage of ... glucosepane .. dude by the name of bains
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12:14 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACo-JxAi_38&NR=1
12:14 < delinquentme> robots
12:14 < delinquentme> they're awesome
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14:23 < kanzure> hrm http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/index.php
14:23 < kanzure> "Project Icarus is a volunteer theoretical engineering study to design an interstellar spacecraft"
14:25 < kanzure> ooh overpopulated advisory board http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/team_members.php
14:27 < archels> kanzure: I like their self-deprecation. (I can't think of another reason to call a spacefaring project Icarus)
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16:59 < kanzure> honk honk
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17:23 < delinquentme> so Tyrant another idea i had was say we make update to a machine right? some gear goes shit .. they can print out a cheap plastic one untill we replace it with a metal one
17:24 < delinquentme> again under the presumption that these machines are slacky and not designed about precision
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18:10 < kanzure> binary parser in javascript
18:10 < kanzure> http://blog.vjeux.com/2011/javascript/binaryparser-unleash-javascript-power.html
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18:17 < uniqanomaly> this is just wrong
18:34 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: ?
18:36 < uniqanomaly> binary stuff in js
18:36 < uniqanomaly> it's wrong :P
18:36 < kanzure> :)
18:36 < kanzure> there was also that pdf viewer in js
18:36 < kanzure> https://github.com/andreasgal/pdf.js/
18:37 < kanzure> demo: http://andreasgal.github.com/pdf.js/web/viewer.html#1
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19:00 < delinquentme_> uniqanomaly, lol i've used binary packing in rails :D
19:00 < delinquentme_> totally ghetto..  but at the same time rails>> hardware is awesome
19:00 < delinquentme_> kanzure, good tutorials for solid works?
19:00 < delinquentme_> about to install it on windoez ;/
19:02 < kanzure> youtube
19:02 < kanzure> has many good tutorials.
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21:34 < Tyrant> delinquentme_, solidworks has great help files and tutorials
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21:39 < QuantumG> I can't even get my copy of solidworks to start anymore
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21:54 < masked> soup
22:08 < kanzure> what kind of soup
22:14 < Tyrant> delicious soup
22:15 < masked> yes like cake
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