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00:38 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
00:40 < kanzure> hello
01:01 < kanzure> on this edition of extropy-chat, everyone finally bothers to check out marshall brain and manna
01:01 < kanzure> *cough*
01:12 < JayDugger> manna?
01:12 < JayDugger> Never mind, found it.
01:13 < JayDugger> I remember it now.
01:14 < JayDugger> Anything novel about the current discussion, or just the usual suspects repeating their usual opinions?
01:14 < kanzure> the only novelty is that they found it or apparently forgot that they know marshall brain
01:14 < JayDugger> That figures. Anyone complaining about the arbitrary ending?
01:15 < kanzure> no they haven't read it
01:15 < JayDugger> Figures.
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08:07 < kanzure> you guys are boring during the nights
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08:15 < delinquentme> you know whats fucking stupid?
08:16 < delinquentme> hearing your mother discuss right of attorney over a dying grandmother
08:16 < delinquentme> that.
08:22 < kanzure> ah yes because clearly you're a certified attorney
08:23 < delinquentme> not what i meant
08:23 < delinquentme> its just a pain in the ass all around
08:23 < delinquentme> effectively its a convo on " who pulls the plug "
08:24 < kanzure> http://alcor.org/ should pull the plug
08:25 < delinquentme> religion.
08:25 < delinquentme> schmeh
08:26 < delinquentme> they could . and if theres any more humane of an option ... i dont know what it is
08:32 < kanzure> bah being humane..
08:32 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap1co5ZZHYE#t=265
08:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, yearly $$$ on alcor?
08:38 < delinquentme> and thoughts on what presentation should be on?
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08:47 < kanzure> delinquentme: all of her assets for life; they put it into a fund and live off a yearly percentage for eternity or whatever
08:47 < kanzure> your presentation should be on your liquid handler
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08:58 < delinquentme> specifially on? :D
08:59 < delinquentme> how long should it last .. how about that
09:08 < kanzure> you should ask them
09:08 < kanzure> they usually decide on that sort of thing
09:16 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: create a robot to pull the plug and webpage with button
09:16 < uniqanomaly> and live streaming
09:16 < uniqanomaly> "robot"
09:17 < uniqanomaly> simple motor
09:17 < uniqanomaly> but that would totally solve it
09:17 < uniqanomaly> or it's just another mad idea
09:18 < uniqanomaly> better ask lawyer
09:18 < delinquentme> lol
09:19 < uniqanomaly> more so
09:19 < uniqanomaly> you can create live exchange
09:20 < uniqanomaly> *grannie death stock market*
09:20 < uniqanomaly> people betting if pulling the plug will kill her and how long till someone pulls the plug
09:21 < uniqanomaly> and alike
09:21 < uniqanomaly> https://www.starstreet.com/ something like that
09:43 < kanzure> http://www.synbioproject.org/news/project/new_podcast_launched_on_diybio/
09:43 < kanzure> bleh eri again
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10:18 < kanzure> daniel dennett's mechanical dog http://cyberneticzoo.com/?p=5358
10:18 < kanzure> robotic
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10:42 < kanzure> hi Tyrant
10:42 < Tyrant> hello kanzure
10:43 < Tyrant> how are you this fine saturday aftermorning
10:48 < kanzure> prepping for vietnam
10:48 < kanzure> gonna come back with pstd it's going to be great
10:48 < kanzure> ptsd
10:49 < Tyrant> why you goin to nam
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10:49 < Tyrant> to sodomize some charlies?
10:50 < kanzure> i have hired programmers
10:50 < kanzure> and have an office over there now
10:50 < Tyrant> oh you'll definitely come back with ptsd
10:50 < Tyrant> what are you working on?
10:51 < kanzure> got too much software to write on my own
10:51 < kanzure> mobile games, web apps, things like that
10:53 < Tyrant> ah
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11:42 < delinquentme> Tyrant, what are you thoughts on the ... linking areas...
11:42 < klafka> hey
11:42 < delinquentme> we talk modular instruments ... what does that connection / joint look like
11:43 < delinquentme> howdy klafka
11:43 < klafka> does anyone know in a class definition can you pass a classes function
11:43 < klafka> e.g. inside a class can you go def foo(self, self.bar):
11:43 < klafka> er
11:43 < klafka> e.g. inside a class can you go def foo(self, x=self.bar):
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12:35 < kanzure> klafka: what?
12:35 < klafka> nvm
12:35 < kanzure> klafka: are you asking if we know that, or how it works?
12:35 < kanzure> ok
12:36 < klafka> this URI encoder/decoder is a pretty comprehensive program
12:36 < klafka> i've just been going through the RFC for the past hour trying to get all the logic of it down
12:36 < kanzure> heh
12:38 < klafka> anyway i can't stand being in panera any longer
12:38 < klafka> it's terrible
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12:40 < Tyrant> delinquentme, thats a relatively simple area
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12:41 < Tyrant> when linking together stuff that uses 96 well plates (or any plates really) then using something like the benchbot makes it easy
12:41 < Tyrant> (and making a benchbot ripoff should be quite simple too)
12:43 < Tyrant> everything else is a matter of piping or moving around single ependorfs for samples
12:43 < delinquentme> Tyrant, so when i was thinking about a hotel or a stack of plates the idea came to mind... 1) simply have a common height where the plate sits .. and a simple clamp mechanism which scoots it to the next area
12:44 < Tyrant> thats how the benchbot works
12:44 < delinquentme> http://www.qdraw.com/conveyors/microplate/
12:44 < delinquentme> and i really like the design on these
12:45 < Tyrant> ofc, you're obsessed with conveyors :p
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12:45 < Tyrant> I prefer http://www.chem.agilent.com/en-US/Products/Instruments/automation/Pages/AAS_BenchBot.aspx
12:51 < delinquentme> doesnt the conveyor seem cheaper?
12:53 < delinquentme> lol PAUSE.
12:53 < delinquentme> found my new calling
12:53 < jrayhawk> you seem to find a new calling every fifteen minutes
12:53 < delinquentme> I want to mix electronic ambient beats for medical automation companies
12:53 < delinquentme> SPECIFICALLY
12:53 < delinquentme> yea. duh.
12:53 < kanzure> yeah there's tons of videos like that on youtube
12:53 < kanzure> delinquentme: try this,
12:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#grid/user/0EB93E6E02E5CF17
12:54 < delinquentme> "you're really good!" yeah thanks .. my robot was featured in a top 40 song once
12:54 < kanzure> it's just a playlist of ambient beats over machines
12:56 < delinquentme> Tyrant, its very cool .. but how much wasted motion is that?
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13:01 < kanzure> delinquentme: http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#p/c/0EB93E6E02E5CF17/26/4e8u6xJLTzE
13:02 < Tyrant> delinquentme: Reducing the amount of wasted motion of the benchbot is a matter of better programming
13:02 < Tyrant> it seems to need to zero itself between every movement which is ridiculous
13:03 < delinquentme> MACHINESSSss they're so beautifullll
13:04 < delinquentme> Tyrant, yeah that is a side effect of that one touch
13:04 < Tyrant> its a bit derpy
13:04 < delinquentme> that arm is a solution for integrating systems which were not designed to work together
13:04 < delinquentme> like its an awesome solution for that
13:05 < delinquentme> kanzure, this channel is better than watching discovery channel
13:05 < Tyrant> your generally not going to get a system of lots of equipment that is designed to work to gether unless one company makes them all (not gona happen)
13:05 < delinquentme> GOD i wonder if the audi R8 stress test is online
13:08 < delinquentme> YESSSSS
13:08 < delinquentme> here it is
13:08 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az84LRmYfiY
13:08 < delinquentme> <3
13:08 < delinquentme> humans, we're fucking AWESOME when we focus huh?
13:08 < delinquentme> Tyrant, yeah see thats the current downfall of my entirely automated lab
13:09 < delinquentme> but with that solution mixer startup you showed yesterday .. step in the right direction
13:11 < Tyrant>   meh theres actually quite a bit of lab automation out htere
13:11 < Tyrant> problem: very expensive
13:15 < delinquentme> where does the line get drawn ... as in between what gets the "assembly line treatment" ( probs processes which are low-margin for those mfgs) and which machines are sufficiently complex that we should just throw the agilent arm at it
13:23 < jrayhawk> speaking of sampling machinery for music and audi, the r10 promotional video is also pretty cool
13:24 < jrayhawk> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704130114630224232
13:33 < kanzure> not bad
13:33 < Tyrant> delinquentme: depends on what the lab is doing
13:33 < Tyrant> if its an R&D lab, very much the latter
13:34 < Tyrant> if it's a diagnostics lab, assay lab, other bio contracting services, etc. then it needs the assembly line
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14:37 < kanzure> hmm looks like someone on the diybio group has worked here:
14:37 < kanzure> http://www.labotix.com/
14:55 < delinquentme> dude!
15:14 < delinquentme> how does one decontaminate pipettes for molecular research?
15:14 < delinquentme> autoclave doesnt work...
15:14 < delinquentme> does it?
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16:00 < evolvidle> pipettes or pipette tips?
16:00 < evolvidle> you can wipe pipettes with alcohol
16:00 < evolvidle> as for pipette tips
16:00 < evolvidle> you never reuse pipette tips
16:00 < evolvidle> period
16:40 < delinquentme> evolvidle, so alcohol... removes all objects sufficient as to not contaminate
16:45 < delinquentme> it seems to me that when were talking molecular bio we've got to worry about all kinds of molecular debris
16:46 < evolvidle> the pipette itself doesn't touch the samples
16:46 < evolvidle> just the pipette tips
16:47 < delinquentme> what about fixed tips
16:47 < delinquentme> like those in tecan systems .. how do they clean those
16:49 < evolvidle> I've never used fixed tips
16:49 < evolvidle> even after autoclaving, contamination can still be an issue
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17:40 < Tyrant> delinquentme_, those fixed tip tecans are only for specific purposes, such as chemistry or something and they get removed and auto claved. bio almost exclusively uses disposables
17:44 < delinquentme_> ahhhh ok good to know
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18:06 < AlonzoTG> My mother died this morning.
18:06 < AlonzoTG> =(
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18:31 < kanzure> AlonzoTG: did you throw her in an ice bath
18:31 < kanzure> might not have been brain death
18:42 < delinquentme_> =[
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20:34 < kanzure> fenn: how was meredith's visit?
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22:07 < kanzure> hey so does anyone have.. border passing advice?
22:24 < Tyrant> kanzure: as in physical borders, airport security, etc?
22:25 < kanzure> as in leaving/arriving in the u.s.
22:26 < Tyrant> if you're a US citizen, just need your passport
22:26 < Tyrant> if you have to ask "can i bring this in carry on" you should probably leave it in a checked bag
22:27 < kanzure> no i mean my hard drive contents
22:27 < Tyrant> antistatic bag
22:27 < kanzure> erm
22:27 < kanzure> no i mean like private keys
22:27 < Tyrant> what about them
22:27 < kanzure> have you done this before
22:28 < Tyrant> seeing as im an immigrant, yes i have
22:28 < kanzure> and you let them copy your private keys ?
22:28 < kanzure> or what?
22:28 < Tyrant> no
22:29 < Tyrant> why would you let anyone copy them
22:29 < Tyrant> why would that even come up at an airport
22:29 < kanzure> apparently it's standard procedure to check your hard drives now
22:29 < Tyrant> uhhh no
22:29 < kanzure> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/border-search-answers
22:30 < Tyrant> supposedly the TSA can check if you're a suspicious entity
22:30 < Tyrant> but you have no obligatio
22:30 < Tyrant> and in the many times ive flown (including recently), i've never had anyone check
22:31 < kanzure> "suspicious entity" meaning, i make them feel uneasy?
22:31 < kanzure> or "you're on some list"?
22:31 < Tyrant> if you're "on some list" you probably won't fly
22:32 < Tyrant> suspicious meaning you are arab or something
22:32 < kanzure> okay
22:32 < Tyrant> act normal, carry a black passport and you'll be fine
22:32 < kanzure> last time i checked i wasn't arab so that's cool
22:32 < Tyrant> is this your first time flying out of the country?
22:32 < kanzure> yep
22:32 < kanzure> not really sure what the hard drive copying rate is
22:32 < kanzure> 10% chance?
22:32 < kanzure> 1?
22:33 < Tyrant> 0%
22:33 < Tyrant> "practically" 0%
22:34 < Tyrant> like i said, if you're wondering wether you can bring osmething onto carry on, just put it in checked bags and they wont get a reason to search you
22:37 < wrldpc> ^
22:38 < foucist> Tyrant: they do randomly check checked in baggage
22:38 < wrldpc> They're looking for child pornographers and terrorists.
22:38 < wrldpc> and drug runners.
22:39 < foucist> wrldpc: they do random at the checked baggage level as well
22:39 < foucist> no racial profiling
22:39 < foucist> depends on airport i guess
22:39 < wrldpc> What I'm getting at is even if he does get stopped and searched … even in the worst case scenario whatever they find isn't going to ping their radar.
22:39 < wrldpc> He could have every JSTOR paper.
22:39 < foucist> wrldpc: i'm talking _checked baggage_ specifically
22:40 < foucist> not carry-on
22:40 < wrldpc> Even in that case.
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22:44 < foucist> anecdotal evidence: my friend has had his checked baggage checked 3-4 times (he doesn't lock the bags however), he's flown a shitton though, probably 50 times in the last 2 years
22:45 < foucist> i carry on however
22:45 < foucist> so i dunno how high the rate of checking checked baggage is
22:47 < Tyrant> foucist: i get my checked baggage inspected probably a quarter of the time I fly
22:47 < Tyrant> reason: i usually fly with lots of electronic equipment and stuff that "looks" like bombs
22:47 < Tyrant> if you dont carry anything suspicious your chances of getting inspected are minimal
22:48 < Tyrant> random you can't account for unless you dont fly
22:48 < Tyrant> as for them checking hard drives in checked baggage, i doubt it
22:48 < wrldpc> I've never heard of a case wherein a passenger had their hard drive scanned.
22:48 < wrldpc> Maybe in a couple years.
22:49 < foucist> kanzure: yeah your hdds are safe
22:49 < Tyrant> just do full drive encryption and theres nothing they can do (assuming you chose even a semi secure encryption method)
22:49 < wrldpc> I would think they'd need a warrant for something like that?  They can't just open your briefcase and rifle through your papers can they?
22:49 < Tyrant> probably can
22:49 < Tyrant> i just ask that I be present when they inspect my checked baggage
22:50 < wrldpc> If you're really sketched out you might elect to just ship the drives ahead of you.
22:50 < wrldpc> If this was the future I'd suggest stuff it all in a cloud.
22:50 < Tyrant> pfft. it should all be in the cloud anyway
22:51 < wrldpc> ^
22:51 < foucist> just don't put it on dropbox without pre-encrypting it
22:51 < wrldpc> lulz
22:52 < Tyrant> i prefer ubuntu's cloud thing
22:52 < Tyrant> theres some stuff online on encrypting/decrypting stuff on ubuntu one
22:53 < Tyrant> when you login a script runs and copies the encrypted ubuntu one docs to a set directory unencrypted
22:53 < Tyrant> then you just copy to that directory and rerun the script
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23:59 < epitron> i'd rather self-host my storage thing
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