--- Log opened Fri Sep 16 00:00:12 2011 00:04 < CryptoQuick> oh yeah, kanzure 00:04 < CryptoQuick> I've been meaning to talk to you 00:04 < CryptoQuick> sorry, I was distracted before because I was inspired to fix that issue with App Engine 00:05 < CryptoQuick> anyway 00:06 < CryptoQuick> I'm trying to cobble together something with PythonOCC, so that perhaps the user can send some commands to the server and it'll generate the mesh for them. 00:06 < CryptoQuick> it's kinda a pain, though 00:06 < CryptoQuick> I wish there was something tidier, a tinycad. a lolcad, if you will. 00:11 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 < kanzure> 'tinycad' was taken :x 00:12 < CryptoQuick> ;D 00:12 < CryptoQuick> I saw that survey you did. good names, they were. 00:22 < QuantumG> what's the status of that anyway? I'm sick of openscad 00:22 < CryptoQuick> yeah, there's definitely a need for this. kanz, do it! :) 00:32 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@c-24-118-174-49.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@c-24-118-174-49.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:32 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:54 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: i'm trying to get back on a normal sleep schedule 00:54 < kanzure> normal sleep doesn't seem conducive to doing lots of work o_o 00:54 < CryptoQuick> :) 00:55 < phryk> kanzure: What kind of sleep schedule would be? 00:57 < kanzure> 4 hours sleep 30 hours work 00:58 < CryptoQuick> silly kanz, there aren't 34 hours in a day 00:58 < CryptoQuick> at least, not an Earth day 00:58 < kanzure> true.. i have been skipping days up until a few days ago (got some sleep drugs to try to reset myself) 00:59 < CryptoQuick> last time I took sleep drugs I needed to stay up longer to get some work done and wound up hallucinating 00:59 < CryptoQuick> I think I did it wrong 00:59 < kanzure> nah just cycle back around and double up 00:59 < CryptoQuick> aha 01:00 < CryptoQuick> I just crashed eventually after staring forever into a glowing white wall 01:01 < CryptoQuick> came back the next morning, find out I was just staring at my text editor 02:00 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:57 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:26 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:36 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541ED8B0.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:42 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- Jaakko95 [~Jaakko@host217-43-149-78.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19 < kanzure> gpgpu tutorials http://www.moderngpu.com/ 08:27 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- Jaakko95 [~Jaakko@host217-43-149-78.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 08:36 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Excess Food] 08:36 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 < ybit> hi people 09:49 < kanzure> hello person 09:52 < kanzure> this looked ok until i read #3 http://zerostate.net/ 09:52 < kanzure> oh and #4 makes me think this is just david pearce 09:52 < kanzure> bleh 09:53 < kanzure> i wonder why physorg is listed there 09:58 < kanzure> mac is at it again.. http://futurelabcamp.com/boston 09:59 < kanzure> http://futurelabcamp.com/2011/announcing-flc2_5 10:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-31-198.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < eudoxia> 'zero state' sounds like 'solid state' 11:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-31-198.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:43 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-218-166.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 15:16 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-242-200.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < delinquentme> anyone in here think they coud get a hold of 1 rack of 96 pipette tips? 16:08 < delinquentme> beauutifulll http://www.sybbure.org/images/matloff_10_1.jpg 16:08 < CryptoQuick> that is pretty sweet 16:09 < CryptoQuick> what's it do? 16:35 < delinquentme> its microfluidics 16:35 < delinquentme> the "lab on a chip" 16:35 < kanzure> back 16:36 < CryptoQuick> delinquentme: well, duh 16:36 < CryptoQuick> I mean, what was it made for 16:37 < delinquentme> oh haha 16:37 < delinquentme> no idea 16:37 < delinquentme> kanzure: knows 16:37 < delinquentme> :P 16:37 < delinquentme> kanzure: find someone who will give me a 96 rack of pipette tips :D 16:39 < kanzure> how about you buy some 16:43 < delinquentme> bc they're sold in sets of 10 16:46 < kanzure> if you have the money maybe you could convince some people from the diybio list to buy the other 9 16:51 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-66-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:08 < delinquentme> not bad kanzure 17:08 < kanzure> did you go through with the tecan stunt? 17:13 < delinquentme> kanzure: im warming up 17:13 < delinquentme> got a girl @ hamilton roboics i need to call back 17:13 < delinquentme> as well as emailing more Pitt professors 17:14 < delinquentme> im settling into the idea that they're not going to realize what this is worth till it hits them in the face 17:14 < delinquentme> ( no surprise there ) 17:25 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 < kanzure> hi klafka1 17:26 < klafka1> sup 17:42 < kanzure> huh somehow http://forum.quantifiedself.com/ has ended up with 200 users 17:42 < kanzure> man, getting users used to be much easier 17:43 < kanzure> i used to run forums that had 10k+ members but now it seems the interwebs are upside down 17:46 < klafka1> haha 17:47 < klafka1> people want to like pages 17:47 < klafka1> not join forums 17:49 < eudoxia> that's rather sad 17:57 < kanzure> i'm not really into forums, myself 18:10 < kanzure> does anyone have a copy of the old mediawiki running on biocurious.org? someone seems to have deleted it 18:13 -!- klafka1 [~textual@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:25 < kanzure> HA HA HA 18:25 < kanzure> Done writing meetlog.out.yaml 18:25 < kanzure> real 21m47.680s 18:25 < kanzure> user 21m43.905s 18:25 < kanzure> sys 0m0.924s 18:28 < kanzure> huh yaml.CLoader takes an extra 16sec (now up to 20sec) to load meetlog.out.yaml 18:47 < kanzure> In [54]: len(find_tag("javascript", all_people=all_people)) 18:47 < kanzure> Out[54]: 80 18:48 < kanzure> huh well that's weird.. only talked with 80 people about js 18:50 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-69-205-70-55.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58 -!- qgqg [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 -!- CryptoQuick_ [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 -!- splicer_ [~splicer@h124n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:00 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00 -!- splicer [~splicer@h124n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00 -!- CryptoQuick_ is now known as CryptoQuick 19:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-66-255.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/tag_champions.txt 19:18 < kanzure> hrmm 19:18 < kanzure> some tag clouds: 19:19 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/meetlog/people/ 19:20 < kanzure> something's.. wrong. does this look like a giant sausagefest to anyone else too? 19:24 < delinquentme> females done change the world 19:24 < delinquentme> ( statistically speaking ) 19:24 < delinquentme> they seek to come to terms with it 19:27 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-242-200.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]] 21:32 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-242-200.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:43 -!- xelxebar1 [~Adium@KD125029099247.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 < CryptoQuick> I'm all about dat js 22:24 < kanzure> well *that* was an adventure 22:24 < CryptoQuick> wat 22:24 < kanzure> pushed my car to the shop 22:24 < kanzure> battery died 22:24 < CryptoQuick> lawl 22:24 < kanzure> ANYWAY back to hacking 22:27 < CryptoQuick> I was thinking I'd use commandline openscad to turn simple cad specs into stl. then, I'd pipe that into meshlab, to make obj. then, I'll pipe -that- output into the SceneJS format converter, taking obj into json-formatted OpenGL. sound like a plan, kanzure ? 22:27 < kanzure> that sounds awful 22:27 < kanzure> how about no 22:27 < CryptoQuick> ;D 22:27 < kanzure> you should just render triangles in webgl 22:28 < CryptoQuick> well, I was hoping lolcad might turn into something that might do something like that-- at least, until the last step. 22:28 < CryptoQuick> further, doing it clientside, like from pyjs. 22:31 < kanzure> no.. 22:31 < kanzure> blrgh 22:31 < CryptoQuick> wat 22:31 < kanzure> if you are going to use openscad you get stl output 22:31 < kanzure> so take your stl and draw your darn vertices 22:31 < kanzure> view-source:http://alteredqualia.com/three/examples/obj/skull/craneo.js 22:31 < kanzure> blah 22:31 < kanzure> http://alteredqualia.com/three/examples/obj/skull/craneo.js 22:32 < kanzure> (fuck you, chrome) 22:32 < CryptoQuick> aha 22:32 < CryptoQuick> that's for three.js? 22:32 < kanzure> http://alteredqualia.com/three/examples/webgl_skull.html 22:32 < kanzure> well, yes, but drawing vertices is a pretty fundamnetal thing in gl-land 22:33 < CryptoQuick> quite 22:33 < kanzure> fundamental 22:35 < CryptoQuick> so, kanz, do you think you could develop a Py->JS CAD kernel? 22:36 < kanzure> yeah absolutely 22:36 < kanzure> it's just taking a lot of time 22:36 < kanzure> but if you're just interested in stl, why not stick with openscad or blender? 22:37 < CryptoQuick> well, I'm not super interested in it 22:37 < CryptoQuick> and I need it to run on the client, eventually 22:37 < CryptoQuick> I'm only doing this to jumpstart my development 22:39 < kanzure> hmm did you try to compile esolid 22:40 < CryptoQuick> nah, but I did look at it a little. it's daunting. what do you think I should do with it? 22:42 < kanzure> try to compile it 22:42 < kanzure> then you will tell me the errors that you get so that you will have incentive to bug me to make the patches 22:42 < CryptoQuick> but is esolid going to do what I'm looking for? 22:43 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-76-125-242-200.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]] 22:43 < CryptoQuick> or is my time better spent perhaps porting some of the OpenSCAD code over, perhaps? 22:44 < kanzure> openscad is just going to generate stl (triangles) 22:44 < kanzure> if you want to render shit, getting triangles as soon as possible is what you want 22:44 < kanzure> if you want to print out models from openscad, that's possible 22:45 < kanzure> but they aren't really editable after you make them, and they aren't really portable to other CAD tools 22:45 < CryptoQuick> I'm just looking to render. I need to create a .scad or similar file, then generate geometry from that. 22:48 < CryptoQuick> looking at that keyser00 paper you sent me... 22:50 < kanzure> openscad -s "$output_stl_path" "$input_scad_file_path" &> $scad_error_log 22:50 < CryptoQuick> quite 22:55 < CryptoQuick> so, kanz, you telling me I should go with openscad? :P 22:55 < kanzure> if you don't care about how the data is represented in memory then you really shouldn't concern yourself with CAD 22:56 < CryptoQuick> well, I do care about that, actually 22:56 < kanzure> then, pythonocc 22:56 < CryptoQuick> I was looking into that 22:56 < kanzure> fenn and i wrote a lot of geometry helpers and tried to make a simple api for pythonocc (sorta, it was a perpendicular goal) 22:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb 22:56 < kanzure> it's in the geom/ folder 22:57 < kanzure> pythonocc claims to provide a simplified api but last i checked (in 2008/2009) it was pretty awful 23:01 < CryptoQuick> found a thread you were actually talking in, from May of this year 23:01 < CryptoQuick> inside that, I found this link 23:01 < CryptoQuick> that's basically what I'm planning to do... 23:01 < CryptoQuick> http://www.1011ltd.com/web/blog/post/im_building_a_webgl_tool 23:02 < kanzure> yep i remember that 23:03 < kanzure> honestly if you understand the cad engine then it's not hard to rewrite it in javascript 23:03 < CryptoQuick> I don't ... :T 23:04 < CryptoQuick> although I'm a pretty capable programmer, I do have limitations :'T 23:05 < kanzure> what are your limitations, sir 23:05 < kanzure> (so far you fail pretty hard at bugging me) 23:05 < CryptoQuick> you think so? :'( 23:05 < CryptoQuick> well, I don't do CP, anything with blood, especially if it's human blood, and well, I'm not too fond of feces either 23:06 < kanzure> what 23:06 < CryptoQuick> those are the limitations, I stand by them 23:06 < kanzure> are you british 23:06 < kanzure> does "bugging" mean "i'm gonna rape you" in your accent or something 23:06 < CryptoQuick> if I was british, I would have spelled that 'foeces' 23:06 < CryptoQuick> bahaha 23:06 < CryptoQuick> you asked about my limitations 23:06 < CryptoQuick> though, rape is not one of them 23:07 < kanzure> are you able to compile esolid? 23:07 < kanzure> (or at least attempt to compile it to the point that it has some error that i presumably have the solution for somewhere) 23:08 < CryptoQuick> how much time do you have right now? I was going to, but then realized I have only 68% battery right now. 23:09 < CryptoQuick> right now. right now. van halon. 23:09 < kanzure> i won't be up all night 23:09 < CryptoQuick> oh yeah, that's right, you're trying to correct the sleep schedule. 23:11 < kanzure> if you untar esolid are you able to run ./configure 23:11 < CryptoQuick> :P 23:11 < kanzure> what platform are you on? 23:11 < kanzure> os 23:12 -!- qgqg is now known as QuantumG 23:12 < CryptoQuick> I've got several 23:12 < CryptoQuick> OS X 10.6, Windows 7, and of course, probably the more useful one is Fedora 23:13 < kanzure> sure try fedora 23:13 < kanzure> or osx 23:13 < CryptoQuick> yeah 23:13 < CryptoQuick> can't do it now though, a little predisposed 23:34 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CryptoQuick] 23:39 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-173-57-40-144.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:48 < kanzure> hi genehacker 23:49 < xelxebar1> predisposed? 23:50 < xelxebar1> Any LessWrongers hang out here? 23:54 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-232-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Sep 17 00:00:14 2011