--- Log opened Sat Oct 01 00:00:35 2011
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01:36  * CryptoQuick yawn~
01:36 < CryptoQuick> that was a nice nap
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01:50 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: stop sleeping! do more work
01:50 < CryptoQuick> hell yeah!
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02:14 < CryptoQuick> goodnight
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08:10 < kanzure> back
08:11 < CryptoQuick> you sleap much?
08:11 < kanzure> got my five hours.. good to go
08:11 < CryptoQuick> heh
08:59 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: look at implicitcad
09:00 < CryptoQuick> buh?
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09:01 < CryptoQuick> > implying
09:04 < kanzure> just suggesting it might be worth a few seconds of staring at the text..
09:04 < CryptoQuick> I searched for the term, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for or why you bring it up?
09:05 < kanzure> http://christopherolah.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/talk.pdf
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09:07 < CryptoQuick> aha, good stuff!
09:07 < kanzure> https://github.com/colah/surfcad/blob/master/surfcad.py
09:08 < CryptoQuick> well, I'll watch it. I'm actually thinking of picking up my own old voxel-based approach again.
09:09 < kanzure> based on the content of the presentation i don't recommend watching
09:09 < kanzure> seems to be the same-old-same-old
09:09 < CryptoQuick> mmh
09:09 < CryptoQuick> I just read the pdf, it looked neat though
09:09 < CryptoQuick> hey man, I gotta split, but I'll leave this on. cya in a few!
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15:09 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: wut u doin here
15:10 < CryptoQuick> "just doin muh job, holdin ur channel open"
15:19 < joshcryer> bored lately but mainly been on IRC to discuss Grasshopper
15:19 < CryptoQuick> nice
15:19 < CryptoQuick> oh snap, stuff on #space
15:30 < CryptoQuick> factor, we don't care, stfu about china, tyvm
15:33 < joshcryer> heh
15:33 < CryptoQuick> oh yeah, joshcryer, did you see muh thing?
15:34 < CryptoQuick> I only posted it to like three different places~
15:34 < joshcryer> yeah I saw it
15:34 < joshcryer> I check the logs
15:34 < CryptoQuick> noice
15:35 < CryptoQuick> haha, then you probably saw my other comment~ ;D
15:35 < joshcryer> yeah
15:35  * CryptoQuick <3 u so bad~
15:36 < kanzure> wtf
15:36 < kanzure> what abotu me!
15:36 < kanzure> *about
15:38 < CryptoQuick> oh, Bryan, I'd be too much for you
15:38 < CryptoQuick> heck, joshcryer has enough of me as it is
15:38 < CryptoQuick> you couldn't handle all that I have to offer~
15:41 < joshcryer> there's certainly a lot of you to go around... >:P
15:42 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: more cushion for the pushin, hon
15:43 < CryptoQuick> > implying i'm fat
15:44 < joshcryer> heh heh
15:45 < CryptoQuick> so, nanoblok is a mess. my strategy is to go back to the nb07 'branch', and port over the useful bits of the nearly 4k lines of JS I wrote
15:45 < CryptoQuick> I'm also going to HTML5 THE SHIT out of this shit
15:45 < CryptoQuick> for example, no more XHTML
15:45 < CryptoQuick> inlining SVG in HTML5 renderers is now pretty established
15:46 < joshcryer> btw I mostly take back what I said about imagemagick the other day, the command line memory limits don't appear to work in any configuration on win7 but if you set the environment variables it works fine
15:46 < joshcryer> so if anyone encounters that issue, there's that...
15:46 < CryptoQuick> question
15:46 < CryptoQuick> is imagemagick like pil~
15:46 < joshcryer> I don't know pil but I think it probably does more
15:47 < joshcryer> it, being imagemagick
15:47 < CryptoQuick> heh
15:47 < CryptoQuick> you'd be right
15:47 < CryptoQuick> and pil on app engine is even more teh shit
15:49 < joshcryer> afk, gotta run to the store dude :)
15:49 < CryptoQuick> though, I suppose you could do more complex ops using blobstore writing and pull queues
15:49 < CryptoQuick> whereas such as with HTML5 image data, like such as
15:49 < CryptoQuick> god the possibilities are endless
15:50 < CryptoQuick> aight, well, ask them if they have battletoads
15:50 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE BATTLETOADS JESUS FUCK
15:50 < CryptoQuick> ffs battletoads :'(
15:51 < CryptoQuick> hey kanzure, did I ever tell you about the time I railed on joshcryer so bad it scared him off the internet for a year
15:51 < CryptoQuick> yeah, that was me
15:52 < jrayhawk> an abusive relationship :(
15:52 < CryptoQuick> hey, I let him abuse me all the time
15:52 < CryptoQuick> > implying implications
15:52 < jrayhawk> i think you guys need counseling
15:52 < CryptoQuick> i think you need to chill the fuck out
15:52 < CryptoQuick> before I get muh baseball bat
15:53 < jrayhawk> oh god i am now caught in the cycle of violence
15:53 < CryptoQuick> that's right, now pay it forward~
15:53 < CryptoQuick> that's what my father always taught me to do
15:54 < CryptoQuick> > implying daddy issues
16:04 < joshcryer> wtf
16:04 < kanzure> jrayhawk: feel freeto kick anyoneyou hate
16:04 < joshcryer> I'm still barely on the internet
16:04 < joshcryer> low info ftw
16:04 < kanzure> i'm reading the chatroom over here:
16:04 < kanzure> http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
16:04 < kanzure> it's pretty funny
16:04 < joshcryer> kanzure are you still maintaining your meetlog thing?
16:04 < kanzure> yep
16:05 < joshcryer> kanzure is the definition of high information absorption, no idea how he does it
16:05 < kanzure> drugs
16:05 < kanzure> brain damage
16:05 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer is just shy~
16:05 < kanzure> don't sleep much
16:05 < joshcryer> s/shy/antisocial
16:05 < CryptoQuick> kanzure is wired like late 90s, early 00s WIRED
16:09 < joshcryer> I used to think that the whole globalrevolution direct action protest thing was cool
16:09 < joshcryer> but now I am cynical and think that the only way to effect change is through technological advancement, etc
16:09 < kanzure> oh don't take chatrooms like this seriously.. c'mon..
16:10 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: I agree
16:10 < kanzure> 2000 of the users seem to be 9/11 conspiracy theorists
16:10 < CryptoQuick> change by making
16:10 < joshcryer> kanzure, I wasn't saying that you thought it was cool, or anything
16:10 < joshcryer> I knew you were observing for lulz
16:10 < kanzure> what is the half life of a 9/11 conspiracy theorist
16:12 < CryptoQuick> kanzure: well, it's been ten years, so obviously longer than tritium
16:12 < joshcryer> heh
16:13 < joshcryer> approximately ten times that of a ron paul supporter?
16:13 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: can't knock down towers with a blimp
16:15 < joshcryer> you just gotta build another twin towers and slam some planes into it
16:15 < joshcryer> and prove the whole principle of the thing
16:15 < joshcryer> the moon landing idiots have been almost largely silenced by the MRO photos of the landing spots
16:15 < CryptoQuick> it was a soundstage on mars
16:16 < CryptoQuick> the space shuttle definitely landed on the moon, do some research
16:17 < joshcryer> what drugs kanzure
16:18 < joshcryer> I can't even keep my eyes open 10 hours without nicotine and caffeine
16:18 < joshcryer> lots of it
16:21 < CryptoQuick> chrome on os x:
16:21 < CryptoQuick> 1. open lots of tabs
16:21 < CryptoQuick> 2. quickly run out of memory
16:21 < CryptoQuick> 3. quit chrome
16:21 < CryptoQuick> 4. instant 2 GB free memory
16:21 < CryptoQuick> 5. free memory forever, memory companies go out of business
16:21 < CryptoQuick> problem, kingston?
16:22 < joshcryer> how many tabs are lots of tabs?
16:22 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: only 50
16:23 < joshcryer> gimp is currently using 1.5 gb but chrome with around ten tabs is 37 mb
16:23 < CryptoQuick> FF7 supposed to have marked improvements on this issue
16:23 < CryptoQuick> switching temporarily for fun & profit
16:23 < CryptoQuick> but probably will keep chrome open for its awesome dev tools
16:24 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: you're not counting renderer processes
16:24 < CryptoQuick> also, OS X memory hog hurr hurr
16:25 < joshcryer> I made my mom switch to chrome
16:25 < joshcryer> she only has 512 mb of ram and it's pretty cool :)
16:25 < CryptoQuick> well, that would make sense
16:25 < CryptoQuick> it's very low-maintenance
16:27 < CryptoQuick> gah, I forgot that Firefox's JS engine is dog slow compared to V8
16:32 < kanzure> opera still handles 400 tabs ok
16:32 < CryptoQuick> kanzure: I am a 99%er
16:32 < CryptoQuick> @globalrevolution
16:32 < joshcryer> lol
16:33 < joshcryer> cryptotrolllolll
16:33 < CryptoQuick> :coolface:
16:36 < joshcryer> Anyone else doing the AI Class? http://www.ai-class.com/
16:36 < joshcryer> 9 days to go.
16:36 < eudoxia> i am
16:37 < joshcryer> Cool. :D
16:37 < eudoxia> I was already reading the PAIP and I know Common Lisp so I thought it was only natural
16:37 < eudoxia> but this class is in python right?
16:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ai-class.py
16:38 < kanzure> ^please inflate the signup count
16:38 < eudoxia> Though I think the AIMA is in CL...
16:38 < kanzure> actually i think they took that form down..
16:38 < joshcryer> I thought it was Java or C++ or Lisp.
16:38 < joshcryer> C/C++
16:39 < joshcryer> kanzure, wtf did you do that for?
16:41 < kanzure> joshcryer: people seemed to be excited that it was "so high"
16:41 < kanzure> as if something special would happen or "it's a big deal"
16:41 < kanzure> so why not go all out..
16:41 < joshcryer> you're a regular dischordian
16:41 < kanzure> I ONLY WANT TO BE LOVED
16:41 < joshcryer> you and crypto would make a great team!
16:41 < kanzure> we're really the same person
16:42 < joshcryer> I want to see the drop out rate
16:42 < joshcryer> as I expect myself to drop out fairly quick
16:42 < joshcryer> especially if my copy of the book they're using is fail
16:42 < eudoxia> did you pick the basic or advanced course?
16:42  * kanzure is presently trying the "walk away for a few minutes" method of solving a problem..
16:42 < joshcryer> (it's an older edition and I refuse to pay for the latest edition)
16:42 < eudoxia> kanzure, that's a mass sign up script?
16:42 < joshcryer> eudoxia, advanced, you can always drop to the basic if you can't handle it
16:44 < joshcryer> (and yes that's what that is)
16:45 < eudoxia> what's the point
16:45 < joshcryer> lol lulz apparently or something...
16:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/grump.txt
16:45 < kanzure> grr
16:45 < joshcryer> are you taking the advanced, too?
16:45 < kanzure> eudoxia: yes
16:46 < kanzure> eudoxia: the point was that people seemed to get all elated about the "high signup number" so why not really amp it up..
16:46 < kanzure> i guess it would be funnier if it randomly signed up real/actual people
16:47 < joshcryer> and this is why we can't have nice things
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17:02 < CryptoQuick> http://cheezburger.com/View/5263771904?_ts=1317513699950
17:02 < CryptoQuick> this is art~
17:03 < CryptoQuick> haha, sorry, spent the past half hour herp derping on ragebuilder
17:20  * CryptoQuick especially like this part: curl.setopt(curl.REFERER, "http://www.google.com/search?q=ai+class")
17:24 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: unfortunately almost everyone uses javascript-based analytics
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17:24 < kanzure> so some of that is lost in shame
17:25 < CryptoQuick> heh
17:25 < CryptoQuick> hard to trick those, I would think
17:25 < kanzure> nope.. use v8 js engine for your scraper
17:25 < CryptoQuick> ...
17:25 < CryptoQuick> my point still stands
17:25 < kanzure> http://www.phantomjs.org/
17:25 < CryptoQuick> oh ffffu~
17:26 < CryptoQuick> christ, that's so awesome
17:27 < CryptoQuick> their icon reminds me of
17:27 < CryptoQuick> http://pbfcomics.com/240/
17:46 < joshcryer> why does the mop have eyes
17:47 < eudoxia> janitor's glasses
17:48 < joshcryer> Ahh
18:05 < joshcryer> @garetlisi: Looking for a html/css/(+js) UX coder to help us finish the Science Hostel site. (free or low$) Team has done design, backend, and mockup.
18:05 < joshcryer> @garrettlisi rather
18:05 < eudoxia> that guy is friends with one guy who wrote an awesome H+ novel
18:06 < foucist> what novel
18:06 < eudoxia> After Life
18:06 < joshcryer> He's the E8 guy, but what- what foucist said.
18:06 < eudoxia> http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/
18:06 < eudoxia> It's about the first upload
18:10 < joshcryer> lol CryptoQuick
18:10 < CryptoQuick> so, now that we have that out of the way~
18:10 < CryptoQuick> so, joshcryer, I don't suppose you know who owns www.auxons.org ...?
18:11 < joshcryer> You?
18:11 < CryptoQuick> http://whois.domaintools.com/auxons.org
18:11 < CryptoQuick> ~~~ ;D
18:11 < joshcryer> Sweet.
18:12 < QuantumG> joshcryer: autojoin #spaceflight ya bum
18:12 < CryptoQuick> ;D
18:12 < joshcryer> It's too quiet!
18:12 < CryptoQuick> no it's not, we have a plain stud man
18:12 < joshcryer> I'm not cool enough to lurk in dead channels that I don't own.
18:12 < QuantumG> shya, there's way more activity on #spaceflight than on #space
18:13 < joshcryer> Fine I'll lurk there and test it. :P
18:14 < joshcryer> That's good stuff though CryptoQuick.
18:14 < CryptoQuick> at any rate, joshcryer, you know my plan now. I'm going to build a voxel physics simulator, render and edit it with nanoblok, and publish a simulation game at auxons.org to get the word out.
18:14 < joshcryer> I have so much utterly insane stuff on my plate, but you should really set something up so we can publish a digital version of the JANAF thermochemical tables.
18:14 < CryptoQuick> ;D
18:14 < CryptoQuick> hm?
18:14 < joshcryer> Oh it's for a game? Ha.
18:15 < CryptoQuick> well, not just that
18:15 < CryptoQuick> buh
18:15 < CryptoQuick> didn't you read my open manufacturing email?
18:16 < QuantumG> did I mention I'm reading Nanosystems cover to cover
18:16 < CryptoQuick> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openmanufacturing/GRHMygA4ics
18:16 < joshcryer> Sweet.
18:16 < joshcryer> They already digitized it!
18:16 < joshcryer> http://kinetics.nist.gov/janaf/
18:16 < joshcryer> OMG, I'm so glad I looked for that.
18:16 < QuantumG> first book in a while that I can read whole pages and go "hmm.. I have no idea what I just read.. I think I was daydreaming about ducks for that whole thing."
18:17 < joshcryer> CryptoQuick, I read the Auxon intro you wrote.
18:18 < CryptoQuick> yeah, but
18:18 < CryptoQuick> "Although I'm a pretty capable programmer, I'm a bit tired of making websites and simple games-- they're just tools and toys. I eventually want to make something more meaningful, but I'm limited by the bounds of these glowing white rectangles and humming little boxes we so lovingly network and spend great deals of time tinkering with. It's as if I know how to do a lot, yet I know how to do nothing at all!"
18:18 < eudoxia> Auxon... Isn't that from the KSRM?
18:18 < joshcryer> Anyway, it's time to steal the NIST-JANAF Thermochemical Tables in digital format.
18:18 < CryptoQuick> eudoxia: I don't think so
18:19 < CryptoQuick> or if it was, it was only barely mentioned
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18:19 < eudoxia> Oh right, "Lackner-Wendt Auxon Replicators". Apparently Auxon means 'any large self-replicating machine'.
18:19 < CryptoQuick> mmh, quite
18:20 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: so, you in or what? :P
18:20 < CryptoQuick> I'd need some help with the more cerebral part of things, considering it's going to involve doing a lot of things in terms of physics that I'm not 100% I can do.
18:20 < CryptoQuick> you seem to be pretty on the up and up on this physics ... shit
18:20 < joshcryer> CryptoQuick, I'm not in a capacity to be 'in' on anything but in time I definitely would share whatever I came up with.
18:20 < CryptoQuick> oh, well, alright then
18:20 < joshcryer> The ultimate goal for me is to create some sort of thermochemical modeller.
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18:21 < joshcryer> Which would help be a basis for a larger scale industrial manufacturing designer.
18:21 < CryptoQuick> I'm pretty much wanting to do the same, with discrete volumes, substance properties, states, and substance interaction events
18:21 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBA9_3zj9w the conclusion is gold
18:21 < joshcryer> Little magical maker machines are all well and good, but they're useless if you can't use them to design specialized factories.
18:22 < CryptoQuick> of course
18:22 < CryptoQuick> what I want to do at this point in time is simulate at a somewhat superficial level entire systems
18:23 < CryptoQuick> that's the whole point, the flow and quantity of which materials go where, and how, and how much energy is used overall
18:23 < CryptoQuick> just to get a good idea of what needs to be done, and what could be done.
18:25 < joshcryer> QuantumG, yeah, that was funny, last 30 seconds.
18:25 < kanzure> i might do the thing for garrett if he's still looking
18:25 < kanzure> he somewhat sorta knows me
18:26 < joshcryer> He added me to a circle on G+! *swoon*
18:26 < kanzure> nah we've talked.. a few times
18:26 < joshcryer> Probably his 'retarded people' list but still.
18:26 < QuantumG> heh
18:26 < kanzure> i think fenn knows him better
18:26 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure he doesn't have a retarded people list
18:30 < joshcryer> I love his Science Hostel idea.
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19:15 < joshcryer> Looks like NIST really has gone all out with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Chemical_Identifier
19:16 < joshcryer> Looking for a method to download their entire database, don't see it as yet, might have to make a slow crawler.
19:18 < joshcryer> Not entirely clear what I mean by that, their Kenetics website has all sorts of data, eg: http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=7440440&Units=SI
19:18 < joshcryer> http://kinetics.nist.gov/janaf/html/C-002.html
19:19 < joshcryer> This has happened in the last year or so.
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19:22 < joshcryer> Ahh, somehow it's under copyright, so I suspect I won't be able to acquire the entire thing for free.
19:23 < joshcryer> There we go, looks like several thousand dollars to acquire the entire database.
19:24 < joshcryer> lawl
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20:14 < joshcryer> Have some nice listening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8hEcSIZxEI
21:10 < kanzure> joshcryer: if it's nist then it's not under copyright :P
21:13 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: also, i'm sorry i haven't given your emails a proper response
21:13 < kanzure> i guess i should go do that soon
21:16 < joshcryer> Don't. He's clingy. Like a beach seagul. Feed it once. It's all over!
21:16 < joshcryer> j/k :)
21:17 < QuantumG> caw caw caw caw caw caw caw caw
21:17 < kanzure> http://www.absolutereturn-alpha.com/Article/2361672/QIMs-Jaffray-Woodriff-The-monk-in-managed-futures.html
21:19 < joshcryer> kanzure, it's weird, I haven't read the "Standard Reference Data Act" so don't know the implications, but it's not in the public domain as I'd assumed it would be: http://www.nist.gov/srd/publiclaw.cfm
21:19 < joshcryer> This is the same with NWS historic data.
21:21 < kanzure> hrm so he seems to just model everyone else as agents with partial information
21:34 < foucist> exit
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21:38 < kanzure> foucist: seems ineffective
21:39 < Stee|> kanzure, new type of additive manufacturing that might have better implications for desktop manufacturing due to its resemblance of CNC milling
21:46 < foucist> kanzure: wrong window heh
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22:24 < kanzure> CryptoQuick: see pm
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23:45 < joshcryer> QuantumG, is there a good breakdown of hydrothermal vent (black smoker) mineral composition?
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23:46 < joshcryer> Searching for that brings up a bunch of papers mostly unrelated to a very basic mineralogical breakdown.
23:46 < joshcryer> I can assume no two vents are the same of course.
23:46 < QuantumG> I haven't looked..
23:46 < QuantumG> they say it's good shit
23:47 < joshcryer> Yeah, copper is one thing they tout. Even gold (in small but usable quantities, especially the current pricing).
23:49 < joshcryer> Found this, actually: http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/GJ/pdf/4102/41020141.pdf
23:49 < joshcryer> I was apparently using bad keywords... thanks for humoring me. :)
23:53 < joshcryer> Another: http://www.surtsey.is/SRS_publ/2009-XII/low_res/2009-XII_029-038_Chemical--lw.pdf
23:54 < AlonzoTG> om
23:55 < joshcryer> More: http://www.biocomplexity.usf.edu/docs/Pichler_et_al1999d.pdf
23:55 < joshcryer> (Don't mind me, the logs are a good note pad.)
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