--- Log opened Fri Oct 07 00:00:44 2011 01:01 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [] 01:22 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:46 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-118.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-88-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:11 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:23 -!- strangewarp [~christian@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:30 -!- strangewarp [~christian@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:46 -!- Starrk [~Starrk@250.146.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:28 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:42 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29 < JayDugger> Yeah, good rule of thumb. Crazy's entertainment value fast fades. 08:18 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l40yc/if_you_were_responsible_for_the_design_of_human/ 08:18 < kanzure> "Re-enable broken Vitamin-C synthesis genes" 08:18 < kanzure> which ones were those 08:19 < JayDugger> The ones that allow me to buy ascorbic acid by the pound from Amazon, dirt cheap? 08:20 < kanzure> what's broken specifically? something that's supposed to produce ascorbic acid that doesn't? 08:21 < JayDugger> IIRC, most mammals synthesize vitamin C. Humans and, I think, guinea pigs lack the ability. 08:22 < JayDugger> Again, IIRC, every other primate can do it but us. 08:22 < JayDugger> Perhaps it provides some horrible drawback over time. 08:24 < Starrk> O.O 08:28 -!- PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:56 -!- panax [panax@che-eng136-1.forest.usf.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:53 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:46 < kanzure> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111007/01093816244/heres-surprise-eu-green-party-adopts-pirate-partys-position-copyright.shtml 10:50 -!- mayko [~mayko@71-22-217-151.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53 < Starrk> Mmm... 10:54 < CryptoQuick> O.O 11:18 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 < uniqanomaly> funny how it stands against what american empire says is 'good for the people' with ACTA 11:19 < uniqanomaly> "monitoring of internet users without initial suspicion, the handing over of their personal data to rights holders on the basis of mere claims and the transfer of this data even to countries without adequate data protection" 11:27 -!- Starrk [~Starrk@250.146.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 11:34 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-118.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:46 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 -!- delinquentmee__ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- delinquentmee__ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:50 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-118.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:27 -!- PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:36 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:04 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08 -!- panax [panax@che-eng136-1.forest.usf.edu] has quit [] 14:25 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- klafka [~diane@cpe-74-74-157-63.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- skr5e [~chatzilla@178.76.147.80] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 < skr5e> found this place with the help of pleasegodno blog ;) 15:56 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 < delinquentme> skr5e, gj its a cool place 16:03 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:04 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05 < kanzure> hi Tyrant 16:14 < skr5e> delinquentme, for sure, check out the article online if you get a chance 16:15 < skr5e> http://pleasegodno.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/transhumanist-forums-or-lack-thereof/ 16:17 < skr5e> feels like I have a lot of catching up to do 16:29 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-76-115.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 < eudoxia> oh hello friens i heard somebody mentioned something tangentially related to me 16:56 < delinquentme> eudoxia, pleasegodno blog? 16:57 < delinquentme> skr5e, said he found ##hplus by your blog 16:57 < delinquentme> eudoxia, you should get involved then 16:57 < skr5e> word gets around fast :| 16:58 < eudoxia> i just stalk the logs a bunch 16:59 < skr5e> well yes, I had pretty much thought transhumanism was dead 16:59 < delinquentme> skr5e, no very much alive 16:59 < delinquentme> they're just in labs 16:59 < delinquentme> you know.. DOING the grunt work 16:59 < delinquentme> where i kinda just play a transhumanist 16:59 < skr5e> apparently so.. well it was a very interesting blog post nonetheless 17:00 < skr5e> crazy what happened to anissimov, did you speak with him personally? 17:00 < eudoxia> uh not really, except i replied to one of his comments 17:00 < eudoxia> i think he got mad at that picture of Wendy Wright 17:00 < skr5e> lol 17:01 < eudoxia> yeah well he can go deal with it 17:01 < eudoxia> and transhumanistwiki still has malware dammit 17:04 < kanzure> anissimov is more of a.. "public relations" person at this point 17:05 < skr5e> doesn't seem to be doing too great a job at public relations if he's got Judeo-Christians paid to blog about him 17:05 < skr5e> i do remember watching him in a few old documentaries though 17:06 < kanzure> the current incumbent transhumanist orgs are pretty lousy though yes 17:06 < kanzure> having worked with one i can honestly say they are beyond lousy 17:06 < delinquentme> why are you worried about what the deists do? 17:06 < delinquentme> they're ready to die 17:06 < delinquentme> i think the term is "suicidal" so ooo 17:06 < delinquentme> its like a conversation with a 5 year old 17:07 < skr5e> deists? That's dissappointing 17:07 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-88-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08 < klafka> anissimov? 17:09 < skr5e> kansure, which one did you work with? 17:10 < kanzure> skr5e: humanity+ and singularity institute 17:11 < kanzure> i meant humanity\2b 17:11 < kanzure> er 17:11 < kanzure> humanity\x2b 17:13 < skr5e> hm, in what way would you say they're lousy? 17:15 < skr5e> and is there any transhumanist org out there with some legitimacy or do they all suck just as bad? 17:15 < delinquentme> eudoxia, what are you good at? whats your 'day job" 17:16 < delinquentme> skr5e, its like any earth shattering thing 17:16 < delinquentme> you bring it to light people will laugh, gnash teeth, get mad etc 17:16 < delinquentme> till one day 17:16 < delinquentme> its undeniable 17:17 < delinquentme> i guess what im saying is there are plenty of people who function as transhumanists but dont sport the tag 17:17 < delinquentme> as being labeled some kind of heretic 17:17 < skr5e> In a way I could sort of understand 17:18 < delinquentme> skr5e, umm david sinclair 17:18 < delinquentme> hes got tenure at harvard and thus he speaks his mind on the topic 17:19 < klafka> the optogeneticist is a 'transhumanist' 17:19 < kanzure> delinquentme: who cares about gnashing teeth? 17:19 < kanzure> skr5e: they are dysfunctional and not technologists 17:19 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 < klafka> or idk are you referring to a specific subset of people or just in general people interested in transhumanism/singularity/whatever 17:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, :D many arent as ... brash might have a bad connotation? 17:19 < delinquentme> but first term which comes to mind :D 17:22 < skr5e> so is that the reason we're all cooped up on IRC, out of sight from most of the internet? 17:23 < kanzure> let me guess.. you prefer forums 17:24 < skr5e> sure, I'm not complaining though I love to pick the brain of any other transhumanist I can find 17:24 < skr5e> no matter where 17:24 < kanzure> what are your skills? 17:24 < skr5e> but forums do have their advantages, one being visibility 17:24 < kanzure> what can you contribute in practical terms 17:24 < kanzure> irc logs are just as visible 17:24 < kanzure> besides, i'm more interested in actively working on projects 17:25 < delinquentme> what kanzure ^^ said 17:25 < delinquentme> and you can also try on " how fast can i learn X " 17:26 < delinquentme> which in current environment is " really fucking fast" if you put your mind to it 17:26 < skr5e> I suppose you have a point, I'm not knocking IRC 17:26 < skr5e> but I have to disagree that IRC logs are just as visible as forums 17:28 < skr5e> Most people who become vaguely interested in transhumanism would look it up on google or something 17:28 < skr5e> and assume there's no community out there 17:28 < kanzure> are you more interested in media/visibility 17:28 < kanzure> because honestly that's the fucken plague of humanity\x2b 17:29 < delinquentme> kanzure, you mean like media coverage/ 17:29 < skr5e> No, I realize that research is much more valuable than hype 17:29 < kanzure> the sort of work that free software developers do is hugely important 17:29 < delinquentme> skr5e, true but at the same time that hype is what turns children into engineers 17:29 < skr5e> yes, delinquentme, that's what I'm trying to say 17:30 < kanzure> blah fuck it 17:30 < kanzure> nevermind 17:30 < delinquentme> kanzure, you were looking for something? 17:30 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 < skr5e> if someone out there finds out about transhumanism and is curious about it 17:30 < kanzure> if they are curious there is nothing that i can give them really 17:31 < skr5e> he's more likely to find random news articles 17:31 < kanzure> yeah well fuck that 17:31 < kanzure> reading a news article isn't gonna make you live forever 17:31 < skr5e> I don't know why you're being so defensive man 17:31 < skr5e> seriously I admire your research and I'm thankful for this channel 17:31 < kanzure> i'm really hostile against your point of view :) 17:32 < delinquentme> lol wait whats his POV? 17:32 < kanzure> it's a plague that needs to be dealt with or else everyone will end up mediamasturbators 17:32 < kanzure> what skills do you have btw? 17:33 < skr5e> nunchuck skills ;) 17:33 < skr5e> watch out 17:33 < kanzure> ah what style do you practice 17:33 < skr5e> shotokan 17:33 < kanzure> hrm 17:33 < kanzure> neat 17:34 < delinquentme> skr5e, so goood you're taking care of yourself 17:34 < delinquentme> thats a pretty good step of welll 17:34 < delinquentme> living longer 17:34 < delinquentme> is that your day job? 17:35 < skr5e> i'll tell you mine if you tell me yours 17:35 < skr5e> I'm a meteorology technician 17:35 < kanzure> most often i write large and unhealthy amounts of sotware 17:35 < kanzure> software 17:37 < skr5e> I make computational models to predict clouds 17:37 < skr5e> my talents are being wasted I tell you 17:37 < kanzure> heh 17:37 < skr5e> :p 17:37 < kanzure> so.. ensemble forecasting 17:37 < skr5e> yeah we do work with ensembles and things like that 17:38 < skr5e> also the stuff that came before that 17:38 < delinquentme> dude! 17:38 < kanzure> is it for meteorology casters on tv 17:38 < delinquentme> skr5e, fuck no way man .. thats completely statistical modelling 17:38 < skr5e> yeah 17:38 < delinquentme> thats whats known by practitioners of the art as "really fucking useful" 17:38 < delinquentme> srsly. 17:39 < delinquentme> DNA right 17:39 < skr5e> haha, that's why I'm saying, my talents are going to waste :p 17:39 < delinquentme> the DNA that makes us who we are .. can vary up to 50% in its actual composition 17:39 < kanzure> what are the ensembles over, anyway? i mean what constituent models 17:40 < skr5e> i take it you know a few things about this, or is it just a test? 17:40 < delinquentme> without showing any visible changes innnn 17:40 < kanzure> skr5e: i know a few things but not how to write damn ensembles 17:40 < kanzure> skr5e: i was doing some for financial related.. bigotry 17:42 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 < delinquentme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype !!!! 17:44 < delinquentme> there we go 17:44 < skr5e> lol, well constituent models really vary, there is no single set of models within an ensemble 17:44 < skr5e> it's mostly either wrf or gfs, some proprietary stuff we get from AFWA and multispectrals 17:47 -!- skr5e [~chatzilla@178.76.147.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47 < kanzure> what 17:47 < kanzure> don't leave 17:49 -!- skr5e [~chatzilla@178.76.147.80] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 < skr5e> woops 17:55 < delinquentme> skr5e, i gotta boot into windoez for a sec but you should def be in here more often 17:56 < delinquentme> eudoxia, are you taking bio classes? engineering? chemistry? 17:59 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 18:01 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:02 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05 -!- Raide [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- Fiohnel [~r3idslash@111.94.244.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:11 -!- jennicide [jen@173-27-44-143.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:40 < jrayhawk> kanzure: perhaps you should think of h+ and SIAI as valuable honeypot organizations 18:40 < jrayhawk> what effect would it have on you if, for instance, both of those organizations didn't exist, and their constituents organized here instead? 18:42 < kanzure> insanity 18:42 < kanzure> actually, they might listen to me and i might be able to train them in practical things 18:42 < jrayhawk> why would they do that, when you have no interest in outreach? 18:43 < jrayhawk> and clearly certain people within h+ and SIAI do 18:43 < kanzure> well because presumably they would be interested in training 18:43 < kanzure> although i agree with you that they are currently not :)AAAA 18:46 < jrayhawk> it was similar flaw in perspective that lead Greg Kroah-Hartman's assertian that Ubuntu contributes very little to the open source ecosystem. 18:46 < jrayhawk> when in reality, Debian or Fedora disappearing overnight would not be all that big a hit for productive people doing productive things, but Ubuntu disappearing overnight would be an absolute disaster to productive people 18:49 < kanzure> hrm? 18:50 < jrayhawk> Ubuntu is a honeypot for anti-productive people. 18:51 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-76-115.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:14 < klafka> ++? why? 19:15 < kanzure> hrm? 19:15 < kanzure> ++? 19:16 < klafka> just extra letters because this keyboard sucks 19:25 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:26 < kanzure> klafka: All keyboards suck =] 19:26 < kanzure> some more than others 19:26 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-49-43-223.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28 < klafka> argh i hate when i can't focus on a project 19:28 < kanzure> drugs? 19:28 < klafka> no 19:28 < klafka> well caffeine is part of it 19:28 < klafka> i think the problem is the next step to take from here is start programming in java 19:28 < klafka> and i really don't want to do that 19:29 < kanzure> what why do java 19:29 < klafka> this toolkit i want to use 19:29 < klafka> is in java 19:29 < klafka> also i want to learn hadoop 19:29 < kanzure> you can use a java/ruby bridge or java/python bridge 19:30 < klafka> i've thought about it 19:30 < klafka> but it still requires a pretty heavy knowledge of the java 19:32 < kanzure> what's up 19:32 < kanzure> i mean i can take a look 19:33 < klafka> http://wiki.gephi.org/index.php/Toolkit_portal 19:45 < foucist> klafka: hire someone else to do your java coding 19:45 < foucist> focus on more important things! 19:58 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-25.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:44 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51 -!- Starrk [~Starrk@250.146.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:14 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:15 < joshcryer> I'm happy to be trained in practical things. 22:18 < joshcryer> /me joins ##hplusroadmaptonowhere 22:21 -!- strangewarp [~christian@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:23 < Starrk> Hello josh. 22:24 -!- PatrickMcLaren [~PatrickMc@c-98-217-184-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26 -!- strangewarp [~christian@76.25.200.47] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:30 < joshcryer> Hi Starrk. 22:30 < joshcryer> Starrk as in Farscape? 22:33 < Starrk> Starrk as in Starrk. 22:35 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:53 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:58 < kanzure> "i'd rather die than go to heaven" 23:05 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:16 < kanzure> hi drazak 23:19 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 23:21 -!- Tyrant [~Tyrant@c-76-21-1-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 * kanzure sleeps 23:36 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:39 -!- drazak [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:45 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-73-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Oct 08 00:00:45 2011