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01:09 < Utopiah> De Garis coming to France in January for the 3rd conf by the french transhumanist association http://www.transhumanistes.com
01:11 < Mariu> thanks
02:23 < archels> Est-ce que il va parler en francais?
02:24 < Utopiah> no idea
02:25 < Utopiah> but there will probably be live broadcast and recordings after (was the case so far)
03:00 < archels> cool
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08:45 < kanzure> ah lawyers... "Does 1-4pm work for you for this call tomorrow?"
08:46 < kanzure> oops i meant "1 to 4pm" not "between 1 and 4pm"
08:46 < JayDugger> Obviously. After all, you've nothing better to do for three whole hours.
08:46 < JayDugger> Best of luck with whatever it involves.
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09:00 < kanzure> JayDugger: it involves doom & suffering
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09:16 < AlonzoTG> THERE
09:16 < AlonzoTG> IS
09:16 < AlonzoTG> NO
09:16 < AlonzoTG> SPOON!!!!!
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18:30 < eudoxia> Does Anders Sandberg have a PhD in comp neurosci or comp sci?
18:30 < eudoxia> the information is contradictory
18:32 < JayDugger> I don't recall...have you asked him?
18:32 < kanzure> http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/cv.html
18:32 < kanzure> looks like comp sci to me
18:32 < eudoxia> kanz, i suspected
18:32 < kanzure> "Vasalundsgymnasiet" i think swedish people just like clusterfucks of letters
18:32 < kanzure> looks cooler
18:33 < eudoxia> Wikipedia and the FHI say computational neuroscience
18:33 < kanzure> rather than "Bob C. McBobson Public High School, Anywhere USA"
18:34 < eudoxia> hahaha
18:34 < eudoxia> McBobson
18:34 < eudoxia> christ, there are so many transhumanist computer scientists
18:34 < kanzure> we need more transhumanist mechanical engineers
18:35 < kanzure> and transhumanist coders- i don't mean comp sci algorithmic wankers
18:35 < kanzure> algorithmic wankery has its place but.. code output matters too
18:35 < eudoxia> i have a friend who's both [h+ & mech eng], but i think he's kinda busy being a marine or something
18:36 < eudoxia> and I know what you mean re:algorithmic wankery
18:36 < eudoxia> we also need some neurosci people to back up all these crazy claims about uploading
18:37 < kanzure> who cares about the claims..
18:37 < kanzure> did you see the MURG reports?
18:37 < eudoxia> no, haven't yet
18:37 < kanzure> ok well they were doing some diy-style nematode brain uploadin'
18:37 < eudoxia> but i will now that you mention it
18:37 < kanzure> or maybe it was c. elegans
18:37 < eudoxia> I know, I asked you about it
18:38 < eudoxia> and the c. elegans is the nematode
18:38 < eudoxia> ... isn't it?
18:38 < kanzure> i don't remember if it was c. elegans or not
18:39 < eudoxia> where did you say MURG was again? i can't find it... again...
18:39 < eudoxia> no, wait
18:39 < eudoxia> here it is
18:39 < eudoxia> http://www.ibiblio.org/jstrout/uploading/MUHomePage.html
18:39 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20030311112928/http://www.minduploading.org/research/data.nematodeupload.html
18:40 < eudoxia> oh, that one
18:41 < kanzure> there used to be a better page about this.. about their nematode upload project
18:41 < kanzure> showed the device they built
18:41 < eudoxia> the 'device'?
18:41 < eudoxia> the scanner, like an ATLUM?
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18:44 < kanzure> eh, some laser-based approach
18:44 < kanzure> let's see..
18:45 < eudoxia> oh the electron micrographs are archived YES
18:46 < kanzure> oh here we go
18:46 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080520053440/http://minduploading.org/research.html
18:46 < kanzure> that was thanks to the logs :)
18:46 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-25.log
18:47 < eudoxia> i was just going to link to that, i saw a more recent archive and said "oh look they have an ATLUM better tell ka--"
18:47  * klafka pokes fenn_ 
18:47 < klafka> need information about housing even more now :P
18:47 < kanzure> klafka: fenn is unpokable. you should just call him.
18:47 < klafka> what's his #?
18:47 < kanzure> klafka: uhh see pm
18:48 < kanzure> eudoxia: i love those images
18:48 < kanzure> "SCIENCE IS HAPPENING HERE"
18:49 < eudoxia> I love saying ATLUM
18:49 < eudoxia> it just has this ring to it
18:49 < eudoxia> ATLUM
18:49 < kanzure> gee i sure hope that's tape for storing the data
18:50 < eudoxia> I never really knew the tape went that far
18:50 < eudoxia> I thought it just, uh
18:50 < eudoxia> went under the TEM
18:50 < eudoxia> and fell into some kind of trash bin
18:51 < sylph_mako> I hear nematodes can dream.
18:53 < JayDugger> So, H+ rankings: "ethicists" >> comp. sci >> coders > lawyers > mech. eng., right?
18:53 < JayDugger> Oh, and men >> women.
18:53 < klafka> oh kanzure  is this atlum stuff about automating thinly slicing pieces of brain and shit?
18:53 < JayDugger> I think I've the quantities right.
18:53 < kanzure> klafka: yes
18:53 < klafka> for connectome reconstrunction
18:54 < kanzure> klafka: i wish todd's work was public,
18:54 < kanzure> but he did some cool reconstruction in software of brain slices
18:54 < kanzure> based on edge detection of where the cell membranes were or vacuoles and so on
18:54 < klafka> are they related to sebastian seung's stuff?
18:54 < kanzure> and then did a 3d fly-through animation
18:54 < klafka> ooh cool
18:55 < kanzure> lolz
18:55 < kanzure> "We are looking for a web/mobile developer to create a "citizen science" platform for connectomics. Applicants should have experience with HTML5, JavaScript, jQuery, and PHP/Python/Ruby, as well as refined design sensibilities. Experience with online games, WebGL, and tablet/mobile products is also desirable. Interested candidates should send a resume, brief statement of interest, sample web site(s) or mobile app(s), and the names of three referenc
18:55 < klafka> calling delinquentme
18:55 < JayDugger> Really now...
18:55 < kanzure> i think that's pretty funny
18:55 < JayDugger> an applicant who meets those requirements?
18:55 < kanzure> posting that on his page
18:55 < kanzure> no..most of us in here meet those requirements
18:55 < kanzure> or at least i do
18:56 < klafka> lmao
18:56 < eudoxia> How good is the software for extracting abstract information from the micrographs?
18:56 < JayDugger> :)
18:56 < kanzure> i think i meet all of those requirements (html5, js, jquery, php, python, ruby, webgl, tablet work, mobile work, online gaming)
18:56 < kanzure> oh "refined design sensibilities" maybe not this one :)
18:56 < JayDugger> Act the snob, quote Tufte, and you should fake that with ease.
18:57 < kanzure> eudoxia: edge detection.. not that advanced. i think imagej probably does it better
18:58 < kanzure> "In principle, connectomes can be found by analyzing brain images to identify synapses and tracing the branches of neurons. In practice, this requires mobilizing both human and machine intelligence on large scales because the image databases are so enormous. "
18:58 < kanzure> eh.. so he wants to do this instead of image analysis?
18:59 < eudoxia> well, if one wants an spiking model, then it wouldn't be much more than finding the neural connections (does edge detection do that?) and some way to detect the type of neuron
18:59 < kanzure> uhh
18:59 < kanzure> it's a little bit more involved than that
18:59 < eudoxia> i gauss
18:59 < JayDugger> Pun?
18:59 < kanzure> spiking models i mean..
18:59 < kanzure> look up NEURON
18:59 < kanzure> (the software package)
19:01 < kanzure> actually,
19:01 < kanzure> just watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2874207418572601262&q=almaden+cognitive+computing
19:01 < kanzure> skip the first 10min
19:01 < eudoxia> maybe spiking isn't the term
19:01 < kanzure> you should watch that.
19:01 < kanzure> actually, maybe just the first 5min
19:02 < klafka> 'just edge detection'
19:02 < klafka> is a bit deceiving and unfair to
19:02 < klafka> too
19:02 < kanzure> haha
19:03 < kanzure> outline detection, and then following the outline down between multiple layers
19:03 < kanzure> and then categorizing features
19:03 < klafka> gtg flight
19:03 < eudoxia> now that you're at it, do you have any neuroscience textbooks you can recommend?
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19:04 < kanzure> uh, any textbook written by the primary authors of NEURON
19:04 < eudoxia> I was reading 'the computational brain', a guy recommended it, but said it didn't actually teach you how to make computational models
19:04 < eudoxia> do those go from dummy level up or do they assume some previous knowledge?
19:05 < kanzure> usually they assume some basic biology knowledge like what ac cell is
19:05 < kanzure> or the concept of a neruotransmitter
19:05 < kanzure> *neurotransmitter
19:05 < kanzure> i don't think a textbook is a good idea, except for looking at the index at the back and saying "yep, that sounds familiar""
19:06 < eudoxia> i think i can handle that level
19:06 < kanzure> the vid is cooler
19:06 < eudoxia> i just thought, "well, where's the information at? textbooks!" but there's always the OCW
19:06 < eudoxia> ohhh that's henry markram in the video
19:07 < kanzure> bbl.. driving
19:29 < Mariu> later everyone
19:29 < JayDugger> Good night.
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19:41 < kanzure> back
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22:11 < kanzure> http://j5.jbei.org/index.php/Main_Page
22:12 < kanzure> "a web-based software tool, j5, which automates the design of scar-less multipart DNA assembly protocols including SLIC, Gibson, CPEC, and Golden Gate. "
22:12 < kanzure> eh i guess this is for making combinatorial libraries
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