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00:19 < archels> I strongly object to this cartoon -> http://abstrusegoose.com/
00:29 < sylph_mako> Oh well I shant view it then.
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03:17 < Lucas__> Good morning
03:17 < Lucas__> how is Open COG moving along?
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04:59 < foucist> no COG people in here
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08:55 < Moktato> Good morning
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10:17 < kanzure> what is cog in this context?
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10:36 < Moktato> it's sort of like a sprocket
10:42 < kanzure> the context is like a sprocket?
10:42 < kanzure> "Cheetah from the 1930's B&W Tarzan movies has died at age 80 of kidney failure today"
10:57 < Moktato> I prefer Spacely's Sprockets
10:57 < Moktato> they have a nice firm texture and crunch that you just don't get from Cogsley's Cogs
10:59 < kanzure> hmm, so what is the class of security scheme where you have a device (like a smartphone) rendering your qr code, and have your other computer scan the code to log you into something
10:59 < kanzure> where the qr code is possibly a one-time use deal, or re-generated based on some other key
10:59 < kanzure> i guess you can encode a public key in the qr code
11:00 < Moktato> sounds like google's 2-factor auth
11:00 < Moktato> if it used QR codes and the camera on your laptop :p
11:01 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ntsco/i_am_salman_khan_founder_of_khan_academyama/
11:01 < kanzure> Moktato: right
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12:48  * Moktato needs to learn more about electronics.
12:48  * Moktato digs around for his one-time-use copy of Dean's Electronics.
12:50 < Moktato> how hard d'ye think it'd be to rig up a cheap dollar-store FM radio to run a couple of LEDs?
12:52 < kanzure> <$30
12:59 < strages_> as in powered from the radio waves?
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12:59 < Moktato> no, such that the LED shines when a strong enough signal is received
13:00 < Moktato> was thinking of a way to make wireless audiostrobe glasses
13:00 < Moktato> combining an FM transmitter and FM receiver
13:01 < Moktato> and maybe a diode in there somewhere to snip out everything below 19.5khz or whatever that frequency is
13:03 < Moktato> or maybe use the FM signal into a transistor circuit that controls the LEDs
13:08 < strages_> you want and led field strength meter then?
13:10 < Moktato> yes, tuned to a specific frequency
13:10 < Moktato> so, listening TO a specific frequency, FOR a specific frequency
13:11 < Moktato> RF -> Audio
13:17 < strages_> something like this then http://tinkerlog.com/2007/05/20/cheap-sound-sensor-for-avr/
13:17 < Moktato> kanzure: this what you were talking about earlier? http://blog.self.li/post/14864315302/qr-login#disqus_thread
13:18 < Moktato> strages_: yes, that looks like it
13:18  * Moktato reads.
13:18 < strages_> also this http://www.scary-terry.com/more_stuff/tonedet/tonedet.htm
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13:27 < strages_> Moktato: are you making a sort of civiization detector?  if radio frequency present, is there audio above pink/white noise?, light LED
13:27 < strages_> if the light goes out, you know something's gone wrong
13:27 < eudoxia> can't tell if that's serious
13:28 < strages_> tiny beacon telling you everything is alright
13:29 < eudoxia> what if civilization decides radio is too noisy and switch to laser?
13:30 < strages_> then obviously it wouldn't work
13:30 < strages_> lasers being highly directional and all
13:30 < eudoxia> how sad
13:31 < strages_> eudoxia: how would you go a civilization detector in a society that uses lasers?
13:31 < strages_> instead of radio
13:31 < eudoxia> a rover that scouts the outside of my bunker
13:31 < strages_> *do
13:32 < eudoxia> looking for heat sources, computers, that kinda shit
13:33 < strages_> EMP took out your rover, and all other complex electronics
13:33 < eudoxia> well that's unfair
13:33 < strages_> it's within reason, as was your society of laser using audiophiles
13:34 < eudoxia> maybe some kind of blimp whose surface is studded with laser detectors
13:34 < eudoxia> powered by less-than-complex electronics
13:35 < strages_> detecting lasers is very difficult if your're outside of major population points.  try for something else
13:36 < strages_> you have no radio and lasers are far too directional.  what else do you have to work with?
13:36 < eudoxia> i'm thinking dammit
13:37 < eudoxia> heat?
13:38 < strages_> you'd have to be pretty high up...
13:39 < eudoxia> if it's Sufficiently Advanced, they may not produce easily detectable chemical waste
13:39 < eudoxia> but they'll always produce some waste heat, from industrial centers or computation
13:41 < eudoxia> how about space activity?
13:41 < Moktato> strages_: wireless audiostrobe
13:42 < eudoxia> a little domed infrared telescope could find artificial heat sources in space, no?
13:43 < strages_> eudoxia: perhaps
13:44 < Moktato> they might also change isotope ratios in the atmosphere
14:14 < kanzure> the atmosphere of earth masks a lot of the activity on the surface
14:18 < kanzure> so they are going to release stratfor emails?
14:18 < kanzure> http://pastebin.com/WPE73rhy
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19:11 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:12 < kanzure> good news, everyone
19:12 < JayDugger> ?
19:13 < kanzure> nope i just wanted to say that
19:13 < JayDugger> The new release of skdb only needs dirt and sunlight to make a nuclear pulse charge?
19:13 < JayDugger> Damnit!
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19:20 < kanzure> man i'm glad to see someone arguing the monoculture point against lesswrong
19:20 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3399827
19:20 < kanzure> *to see someone (that isn't me)
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19:28 < kanzure> strange web app vulnerability by POSTing multiple colliding keys http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf
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20:11 < sylph_mako> It's troubling. I think we might have to make a concerted effort to divide.
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20:40 < strangewarp> I would love to see LessWrong try to divide into different-flavored factions in any meaningful way
20:41 < kanzure> i say just ignore them
20:42 < strangewarp> It would be worth it, if just for the inevitable Voltron analogy
20:45  * Mokbortolan plays with Mind Workstation.
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21:42 < Mokbortolan> well that's disappointing
21:42 < Mokbortolan> my daughter's head didn't fit the epoc
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22:29 < Steel_> so what's going on at lw?
22:29 < kanzure> no no i said *ignore* it
22:30 < Mokbortolan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Sawj0HyF0
22:30 < Steel_> but I like drama :(
22:34 < Steel_> especially I'm interested in how a rationalist community might splinter
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22:53 < kanzure> jrayhawk: maybe there's a way to convince them to apply rationality to strategies for practical transhumanism, instead of extinction rationalization
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22:57 < sylph_mako> Oh this sounds interesting.
23:04 < jrayhawk> that sounds like a terrible idea
23:05 < kanzure> they will commit mass suicide when they realize they would be a morally corrupt ai?
23:09 < jrayhawk> do you really think the h+ community needs more ineffectual deliberation and prognostication
23:10 < kanzure> no. i suppose not.
23:10 < kanzure> friend of mine is setting up this rails bootcamp. students pay $15k for a few weeks of training.
23:10 < kanzure> apparently the seats are being sold very quickly
23:10 < Steel_> I don't know that the h+ community needs more programmers right now
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23:14 < kanzure> there's hardly any?
23:15 < kanzure> definitely needs more mechanical engineers, lab equipmenteers, experimentalists, hackers
23:15 < Steel_> eh, it honestly needs electrical engineers more than mechanical engineers
23:16 < kanzure> are you one of those "EEs > MEs" totem pole people
23:16 < kanzure> just wondering
23:17 < Steel_> I'm one of those 'the education that an EE receives is currently more employable and relevant than the education that an ME receives' people
23:17 < Steel_> (as an ME)
23:17 < kanzure> or do you have particular analog electronics projects that are currently going unbuilt
23:17 < Steel_> I'm a ME, dude
23:17 < kanzure> let's not talk about employability
23:17 < kanzure> employability is just a made up term to mean "I don't want to go raise funds to build this shit on my own"
23:17 < kanzure> or "i'm poor and/or don't have enough money to finance this myself"
23:18 < Steel_> or if you want to get into an executive position so that in 20 years we have major corporations doing this stuff
23:18 < Steel_> *shrug*
23:18 < Steel_> I'm a better manager than engineer, and what's more, I enjoy corporate strategy a lot
23:18 < Steel_> regardless
23:18 < kanzure> this isn't an interview man :)
23:18 < Steel_> EEs (assuming a generic undergraduate education, not a masters)
23:18 < Steel_> are more important than MEs
23:18 < Steel_> for h+ stuff
23:19 < kanzure> so again, what specific projects though?
23:19 < Steel_> I'm not currently working on any engineering projects outside my thesis, though there's a possibility of a desktop SLA setup
23:19 < kanzure> in general i find that most MEs worth their salt can stomp through horowitz or any other analog study material (same with EEs of course; it's just some course specialization really)
23:20 < kanzure> ok but again, why do you claim that EEs are more needed
23:20 < Steel_> signal analysis, device building, understanding of code, electric circuit design, complex circuit stuff
23:20 < Steel_> all way more important than the shit MEs learn imo
23:21 < kanzure> "complex circuit stuff" is a little vague, but it's mostly a bunch of graph theory and math
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