--- Log opened Wed Jan 04 00:00:59 2012
00:03 <@kanzure> happy birthday to me
00:11 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3421190
00:11 <@kanzure> everyone there is complaining about each 20ms of lag
00:11 <@kanzure> but here i am and i can't even get <10ms lag on my keyboard
00:33 < jrayhawk> On... your... keyboard...?
00:33 <@kanzure> ?
00:33 <@kanzure> yes?
00:34 <@kanzure> i suppose comparing input/output isn't fair
00:35 < jrayhawk> I understand their complaints quite well, but I have no idea what you're talking about.
00:35 <@kanzure> i'm just complaining that my keyboard is slow
00:36 < jrayhawk> Oh okay
00:37 < jrayhawk> So, USB defaults to a 125hz polling rate; some peripheral chipsets are clocked high enough to increase that number.
00:37 < jrayhawk> I think most modern gaming keyboards support that.
00:39 < jrayhawk> Obviously this isn't all that useful since most of the user-experienced latency is still in the OS and video pathway, but if you've thoroughly optimized those...
00:41 < jrayhawk> If you're using PS/2 (which is usually the case for laptop keyboards), that number is typically 80hz
00:42 <@kanzure> i really haven't isolated where the latencies are, i'm sure some of it is keyboard geometry, between me and my fingers, stuff like that
00:42 <@kanzure> i've written some code once to track my typing rate, and some combinations i can type in 15-25ms reliably
00:42 <@kanzure> but that's mainly stuff like "is"
00:42 <@kanzure> now excuse me, i have a pokemon rom to read :x
00:43 <@kanzure> http://pkh.me/ROM1.html
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00:46 < jrayhawk> There's also some potential extra latency in your userspace input layers.
00:47 < jrayhawk> Such as if you were going through xinput and/or GTK
00:47 < jrayhawk> or SDL
00:48 <@kanzure> well clearly that means i need linux-kernel-realtime and to keep my keyboard interrupts in kernel space
00:48 <@kanzure> ^or other words that are equally ridiculous to that effect
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07:18 <@kanzure> ok i am back
07:24 < AlonzoTG> ?
07:24 < AlonzoTG> Yeah,
07:24 < AlonzoTG> the unixites insist that the device-as-file interface is sufficient for everything,
07:24 < AlonzoTG> that interractive programs can work just fine by issuing read commands to /dev/tty....
07:25 < AlonzoTG> Truth is that programs such as X have to circumvent the unix keyboard driver and implement an event-based interface.
07:25 < AlonzoTG> Which creates massive administrative headaches when the user wants to use a Dvorak keyboard mapping in all applications and on the console.
07:26 < AlonzoTG> I don't actually know the details of how this is accomplished, it is poorly documented. =\
07:26 < AlonzoTG> It also creates a nightmare because a certain developer in the X11 project thought it would be cute to make the keyboard "hot-pluggable" which means it simply fails to work at all without a litany of commands in xorg.conf to disable hot-plugging. =\
07:33 <@kanzure> saurik: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/131/installs.csv
07:33 < archels> So what happens when you accidently unplug your keyboard, you have to hard-reset your box?
07:33 <@kanzure> saurik: that's android app installs (by the market categorization thingy) as of this morning
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08:26 < Lucas___> Has anyone here gotten implants yet?
08:35 <@kanzure> yes, there's a few iirc
08:39 < Lucas___> sweet, what sorts?  I am always looking for something new
08:44 <@kanzure> just some lame magnets
08:44 <@kanzure> who was it.. hmm
08:44 <@kanzure> panax?
08:44 < Lucas___> lame magnets?
08:45 < Lucas___> do you have a suitable alternative?
08:47 <@kanzure> magnetoproteins?
08:50 < klafka> what did the magnets do?
08:50 < Lucas___> I actually proposed using electrochemotherapy methods to get that protein into human muscle tissue.  People are a lot more comfortable with sticking electronics into their flesh than biochemically altering it  :(
08:50 < Lucas___> if you can find people that would help me with that I would appreciate it
08:51 <@kanzure> gah marketing campaigns. "ITCH or integrating transhumanist cultural hardware"
08:51 <@kanzure> what the heck is cultural hardware?
08:52 < Lucas___> *shrug*
08:52 <@kanzure> klafka: are you a pokemon master
08:55 < klafka> no :(
08:55 < Lucas___> kanzure:  something you may be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroporation
08:55 < Lucas___> I am going to have someone build the electrical device I need for the procedure
08:56 < Lucas___> http://www.jove.com/video/1038/electrochemotherapy-of-tumours
09:00 <@kanzure> klafka: https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/src/257c1743c396/pokered.asm
09:09 < Lucas___> kanzure, would you be willing to be one of my test subjects?
09:13 <@kanzure> for electrochemotherapy? can i convine you to build an ultrasound riggup instead
09:16 < Lucas___> ?
09:16 < Lucas___> why?
09:22 < Lucas___> wow, I had no idea there was ultrasound gene delivery
09:22 <@kanzure> no not that
09:22 <@kanzure> transcranial ultrasound for brain stimulation and, at higher power delivery, tumor destruction
09:24 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
09:25 < Lucas___> thank you
09:25 < Lucas___> hopefully I can convince the engineers to build this as well
09:36 < archels> kanzure, Lucas___ is just going to end up giving himself the cancer.
09:37 < Lucas___> What alternative do you suggest?
09:37 < Lucas___> <archels>
09:38 < archels> knowing what you're doing?
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09:41 < Lucas___> if I knew exactly what would happen I wouldn't do this
09:41 < archels> ah well, I was young once too. But I would suggest focussing on one topic of your interest rather than trying to do it all.
09:41 < Lucas___> my main interested in genetics
09:41 < Lucas___> interest is*
09:41 < archels> On a related note, don't underestimate the time and effort involved in trying to accomplish any of this, or anything at all, really.
09:42 < archels> To paraphrase Einstein, science is 10% inspiration and 90% hard work.
09:44 < Lucas___> thank you
09:45 < Lucas___> it is not my intention to take unnecessary risks.  I'd like to do some tissue culture work first (ideally)
09:45 < archels> What exactly are you trying to achieve?
09:48 < Lucas___> introduction of a plasmid into eukaryotic cells using electroporation.  My idea (with the tissue culture) is to use GFP as a marker to see if the gene got into the tissue
09:49 < Lucas___> using a viral vector is preferred here, but there is no way that it can be done outside of a lab
09:59 < archels> OK, should be fun!
09:59 < archels> How large is your bank account? ;)
10:00 < Lucas___> non existant - which is why I am trying to get people to fund me.  Right now it is partially working, as there are other projects my group is focusing on
10:21 <@kanzure> Lucas___: i have some funds available for the transcranial ultrasound project
10:22 <@kanzure> right now i have someone fully quoting out the project (i'd rather pay this guy, even though he'd probably do it for free)
10:23 < archels> kanzure: If you don't mind my asking, where do you want to take that project? What is its purpose to you?
10:24 <@kanzure> neural stimulation
10:24 < Lucas___> I know absolutely nothing about transcranial ultrasound
10:24 <@kanzure> so that means lots of testing
10:24 <@kanzure> Lucas___: read those papers
10:25 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
10:25 < archels> aha
10:26 < Lucas___> I could try to see if it can stimulate musculoskeletal tissue
10:26 < Lucas___> it might be good for people with accelerated muscle loss due to disease or ...
10:26 < Lucas___> space travel, maybe
10:28 <@kanzure> um
10:28 <@kanzure> "space travel" shouldn't be the first thought that comes to mind
10:31 < Lucas___> memory enhancement? reflex enhancement?
10:31 < Lucas___> what are you shooting for?
10:32 <@kanzure> stimulation
10:33 <@kanzure> i'm sure there's theoretically some regions that you can stimulate for memory enhancement,
10:33 <@kanzure> but i'd be happy with "memory-related stimulation"
10:34 < Lucas___> fair enough
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10:46 <@kanzure> klafka: did you say badgenation?
10:46 < klafka>  hmm?
10:47 < klafka> badgeville
10:47 <@kanzure> oh, weird
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10:47 <@kanzure> klafka: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As_7Yc_iucRqdFd0eVJ1aU1KVkdualJUOXJERnczYVE&hl=en_US#gid=0
10:47 <@kanzure> this is for "badgenation"
10:47 <@kanzure> not badgeville.
10:50 <@kanzure> 10:46 < blackwhite> kanzure you will use it once you realize that you can achieve multi like, ultra like, mega like and godlike
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13:57 < Utopiah> Singularity Hub article on robotics apps mentionned by @AUVSI
13:58 <@kanzure> spaes: hi.
13:59 < spaes> kanzure: hey, i saw your comment about this chan on diybio  (why i did the whois)
13:59 <@kanzure> neato, welcome
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14:10 < Mokbortolan_1> http://www.brainsignals.de/users/cristian.grozea/articles/bristle_sensors_JNE2011_preprint.pdf
14:29 <@kanzure> http://resilientvillage.blogspot.com/2012/01/diy-insulin-biohacking-anyone.html
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14:36 < Mariu> Cristian Grozea ?
14:37 < Mariu> it's interesting because the name is familiar in a way
14:45 <@kanzure> hrm why is the fbi sponsoring backyard brains
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16:56 < jrayhawk> AlonzoTG: curl http://www.strout.net/info/dvorak/dvorak.pke | xmodmap -
16:57 < jrayhawk> loadkeys dvorak
16:57 < jrayhawk> That should cover X and the console.
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16:58 < jrayhawk> Mind you there are advantages to xkb approach modern toolchains use, such as being able to use different mappings for different simultaneous keyboards.
16:59 < jrayhawk> s/to xkb/to the xkb/
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17:53 < foucist> kanzure: shit..  have you seen dot.js?  ridiculously fast. http://jsperf.com/dom-vs-innerhtml-based-templating/306
17:54 < foucist> dot.js + phonegap? ;)
17:55 < foucist> er there's some mobile here: http://jsperf.com/dom-vs-innerhtml-based-templating/305
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17:58 < foucist> it's basicaly 40x faster than jquery templates hmm, 15x faster than underscore
18:01 < foucist> (obviously it's just 1 specific thing being tested here)
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18:19 <@kanzure> foucist: nope, haven't used dot yet
18:27 <@kanzure> "Ideally, I want a communications platform where only my 200 or so friends, co-workers and friends of friends can message me for free. Anybody else who wants to contact me has to send the message with a $1 bitcoin (interrupting my stream of conciousness price would be custom set by me, so lil' wayne would probably set his price at $75)."
18:27 <@kanzure> "If the message from a stranger I got was in fact a cool dude I met at a party last weekend following up on that cat picture, then I'd click "reply and return" to give him back that bitcoin. If I see that the message is from a prince, I'd just ignore it and go buy some gum or something with his precious $1."
18:27 <@kanzure> hrm
18:33 <@kanzure> it'd be nice to have a sushi rolling machine
18:41 <@kanzure> http://www.tanfar.net/
18:41 <@kanzure> there we go.
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