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09:11 < augur> eridu: hey
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09:12 <@kanzure> hello
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10:58 < jk4930> kanzure: are you online?
10:58 < jk4930> i meant, are you available at this time?
11:03 <@kanzure> hello
11:11 < ybit> jk4930
11:15 < jk4930> hey bryan, we've someone here in Germany who wants to push some kind of (skype?) chat with int'l H+ fellas. do you have experience with this (I guess so) and can gibe some advice?
11:16 < jk4930> problem is that it's difficult to motive people to participate
11:35 <@kanzure> hi jk4930
11:36 < jk4930> hi kanzure
11:36 <@kanzure> are you asking for my skype id?
11:36 < jk4930> no
11:36 < jk4930> mom
11:36 <@kanzure> are you asking for a list of skype ids?
11:37 < jk4930> we have someone who likes to bring H+ers together via regular chats (e.g., Skype)
11:37 <@kanzure> i'm just confused
11:37 < jk4930> the handful of German transhumanists are a bit lazy wrt chatting and he wants to open the pool to more people
11:37 <@kanzure> have you talked with eugen leitl?
11:38 < jk4930> not yet
11:38 <@kanzure> yeah you should do that..
11:38 < jk4930> eugen's advice is to use openqwak (or so)
11:38 <@kanzure> that's lame
11:38 <@kanzure> ignore that
11:39 < jk4930> the other was teleplace
11:39 <@kanzure> meh
11:39 < jk4930> :)
11:39 <@kanzure> that's horrible
11:39 <@kanzure> why is he recommending those things
11:39 <@kanzure> is he paid by giulio?
11:39 < jk4930> the problem is not so much about tech, it's about bringing people (H+ers) together
11:39 <@kanzure> well, the h+ brand is completely worthless so i can see why..
11:40 < jk4930> we tried to revive the chat in Germany, but there are only a handful of people active, thus not much response
11:40 <@kanzure> you could weasel off of some more active community or irc channel,
11:40 < jk4930> he wants to open the pool so the chances are higher that people are willing to chat
11:40 <@kanzure> until there's a substantial german faction
11:41 <@kanzure> the reality is, bootstrapping a chatroom takes years
11:41 < jk4930> yeah
11:41 <@kanzure> this is the only remaining transhumanist irc channel
11:41 < jk4930> what about the wta-talk mailinglist? i remember that there were some people who were willing to chat
11:41 <@kanzure> and it rarely has ~80 people
11:41 <@kanzure> they killed off wta-talk
11:42 < jk4930> do you know why?
11:42 <@kanzure> technical incompetence
11:42 < jk4930> :)
11:42 <@kanzure> also they didn't really seem to care, either
11:42 <@kanzure> so nobody fixed it
11:42 < jk4930> the thing prevalent in today's H+ community :(
11:43 <@kanzure> jk4930: well, you can hang out in here and direct german transhumanists into this channel
11:43 <@kanzure> and then when there's 4 or 5 regular german-speaking chatters, break off into a separate channel
11:43 < jk4930> that's why i'm currently doing... :D
11:43 <@kanzure> but imagine just one guy shows up- and nobody's around-
11:43 < jk4930> why -> what
11:43 <@kanzure> he'll probably leave..
11:43 <@kanzure> well, i'd be happy to offer links to tutorials for your german-speaking transhumanati to connect to irc
11:44 < jk4930> thanks, I think i can do that for them
11:46 < jk4930> is it okay when this guy mentioned above sends you an email? he wants to push this H+ networking forward and is very interested in your experience and advice
11:46 < jk4930> his name is christoph
11:46 <@kanzure> that's fine.
11:46 < jk4930> many thanks from me
11:47 < jk4930> do you have any position at H+ at this time? i remember the gada prize and tech advice
11:49 <@kanzure> nope, i'm no longer associated with them
11:50 < jk4930> wow, you're still listed as director of R&D on their website
11:52 <@kanzure> it's worse than that
11:52 <@kanzure> :/
11:52 < jk4930> -v
11:54 < jk4930> could you give some explanation? (since I'm new vice chair of the German Transhumanist Assoc. I'm very interested in what's going on with our "mother organization")
11:55 <@kanzure> umm haha
11:55 <@kanzure> yes i could
11:56 < jk4930> but you don't want... :)
11:56 <@kanzure> sure i do..
11:56 <@kanzure> it's just a lot to say
11:56 <@kanzure> what is gta's goals?
11:56 <@kanzure> *what are
11:58 < jk4930> i've a parallel chat running (important), are you available in 2 hrs? otherwise i send you a mail
11:59 <@kanzure> yep i'm around in 2 hours
12:06 < jk4930> okay, cu then
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13:11 <@kanzure> "Held a one-week Rationality Minicamp and a ten-week Rationality Boot Camp"
13:11 <@kanzure> um..
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13:31 <@kanzure> hi omegacfx
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13:32 < omegacfx> hi
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14:29 <@kanzure> hi jk4930
14:29 <@kanzure> oh wait
14:32 <@kanzure> biocurious in wsj http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204124204577150801888929704.html
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17:02 <@kanzure> http://tequals0.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/diy-bio-postcards-bioluminescent-dinoflagellates-oh-my/
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17:03 <@kanzure> the blog name is horrible
17:03 <@kanzure> "tequals0 the time is now"
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17:28 < omegacfx> lol
17:29 <@kanzure> jmil: is your advisor the one that's on tv all the time
17:33 < omegacfx> what is this blog about
17:34 < omegacfx> it looks like a grad students biology blog or something
17:34 <@kanzure> probably
17:35 < omegacfx> ive started so many blogs and never wrote more than two entries
17:37 < omegacfx> maybe this new one will stick
17:54 < jmil> kanzure: dunno which guy you mean, but naw my advisor is not on the news a lot
17:55 < jmil> are you talking about tony a tala?
17:55 < jmil> atala
17:55 <@kanzure> maybe,
17:56 <@kanzure> he's from pitt and talks about tissue printing a lot
17:56 <@kanzure> (on the news)
17:59 <@kanzure> the m-something-something foundation :p
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19:05 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
19:23 <@kanzure> hi
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20:53 < omegacfx> good evening
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20:56 < omegacfx> ive been reading a lot of max more the past couple days
21:11 <@kanzure> he used to live down the street from me, until he moved for alcor
21:19 < Stee|>  kanz, is that how you got into the movement?
21:19 < Stee|> or did you move to where he was?
21:23 <@kanzure> nope.. it was just a coincidence that he lived nearby
21:23 <@kanzure> so i stalked him and he invited me to thanksgiving in 2006 or 2007
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21:31 < Stee|> that's cool
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22:25 < omegacfx> orly?
22:26 < omegacfx> I've been reading his introductory stuff on transhumanism and extropianism and vomiting it back up into a blog, more of a learning thing for me I guess
22:27 <@kanzure> omegacfx: it's good philosophy in my opinion,
22:28 <@kanzure> but i have always been a little disappointed in his execution of it
22:28 <@kanzure> extropianism has been around since the 80s, 30 years is a long time to develop a lot of very particular skills for advancing transhumanism
22:29 < omegacfx> I've been reading mostly stuff from here: http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Philosophy/index-2.html#general
22:29 < omegacfx> and I've browsed the humanity+ website, but haven't explored too much
22:29 <@kanzure> i wouldn't recommend the humanity+ site.. sorry
22:29 <@kanzure> what are you looking for?
22:30 < omegacfx> well, my understanding so far is very basic, I've read Max More's On Becoming Posthuman and about the five principles of extropianism, so thats all I really know at this point.
22:31 <@kanzure> ah, you should read his stuff on the proactionary principle
22:31 < omegacfx> aside from reading fictional works that talk brush on it, like william gibson
22:31 < omegacfx> ok
22:34 < omegacfx> do you like stoic philosophy?
22:35 <@kanzure> possibly
22:42 < omegacfx> I need to read more
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